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Fuel,
It could! Plus with the info Brussels is passing on, there could be a lot more options. I just know that I went with the treatment that has had a good amount of success and the results I am experiencing means it is working...and that is a great thing! If people can do it cheaper, that is even better...
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I believe the Bionic isn't "special." The PE-1 and even light works do the same thing. The reason the Bionic is so expensive is because it is certified, manufactured according to medical standards, etc. for Europe. But 880NM LED lights are not magical; they are simple. They all do the same thing. It's not a magic box, its just a bunch of 880NM LED lights. Just my opinion.
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Lights with frequencies, Dan. The frequency part is important.
To give an example, when I would use 28 hz frequency, my husband would have to leave the room. If I used other frequencies, he wouldn't. So the frequencies do something.
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Thanks so much for alleviating my concerns.
I didn't mean to cause any ruckus, just was very upset when I read that and was thinking that it might mean the end of that option--
Very relieved to hear that it is a non-issue!
Again, my apologies if I caused a stir--wasn't my intention.
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Dan, in the PE1, we have more than 880nm LED lights. There are 875nm, 940nm, 680 nm and 655 nm besides the 880nm. So penetration is different through different depths. The Bionic uses only 880nm if my memory is good.
Then as for frequencies, there are what is called Nogier frequencies, so the same LEDs above are 'blinking' in different optional frequencies, depending on the way you set your PE1.
MOst are Nogier frequencies, known to influence different parts or tissues of your body (they are really different, if you try these, as Six says). The same 880nm Bionic infrared light, if pulsed in different ways, cause VERY different results.
Just use these machines for about 2-3 monhts, and you get convinced of how simply changing these 'flashing'/blinking frequecies makes the whole difference.
Of course, the Bionic has long term records of success, so it would be the safest. But Dr. W. is an excellent energetic tester (otherwise, he would never have come up with such magical borrelia protocol!!), so I'm sure that if he is using other machines, they would be as efficient, if not better.
I wonder if, in the end, the PE1 is not even more efficient than the Bionic. Really. Because the time of treatment is SO SMALLER compared with the Bionic (about 1/10 of the time Bionic users use), and it can create similar results... I really wonder. We need more people to use this to get more input.
And yes, the Bionic is used for dozens of other REASONS. That is why it is also expensive, as it has so many possible settings!
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Joey is selling his Bionic (if not sold) in the PE1 forum. If anyone is interested. And possibly with the old price (I am not sure though, please, check by yourselves)
Yahoo forum called Bionic880/PE1.
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If one was to treat with the LW, is the procedure the same, using the nosodes and such? I am seeking an alternative method of treatment for a family member but the person is rather fragile. I am thinking that the LW, if it is not as powerful, might be a better choice to begin with at least. It might take a longer time to treat, but the treatment would not be as harsh. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Also, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. I know for me, I am very grateful.
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Or if you want to contact Joey, PM me your email address and I'll get him in touch with you.
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Pepperspeck,
I don'w own a LW, but I bought the PE1 based on LW users' experiences that they shared here in LN.
I just found out the PE1 offered more choices and it looked stronger. And the maker is such a wonderful informed person, that I decided on the PE1.
I 'll try to get the thread up again. I suppose the method is the same. Atleast two people used it, sheryl and bob, that I remember.
I feel it could be a good starting point, as it is weaker and cheaper. With not much money, you can start your explorations on the homeopathy + ifrared combination.
For what they shared with me, LW was pretty much the same as the PE1, but just much weaker. Both wanted faster results and invested on the PE1 later, but if you want to experiment, why not?
They used the same protocol, as far as I know.
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Thank you for bumping the threads up Brussels. I tried a search but must have done it wrong. There is a lot of helpful information in them. Thank you!
I am liking the fact that it is weaker, since the person to use it is so fragile right now. I know detox is important with treatment and her body can not be overwhelmed.
I will post an update if anyone is interested in her progress which whichever machine I finally choose.
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Selma says Candida HATES infrared!
That seemed to work for me.
Always before i avoided the abdomen, because people warn that it could awaken parasites and Babesia.
I was doing a PE-1 session, on Direct/ Intensity 10, and i got brave and put it 1 minute on L front abdomen and 1 min on R front abdomen.
It didn't bring out parasites or Babesia and it knocked down the Candida. That was on Monday, this is Wednesday.
Thanks, Selma!
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Actually one of Dr. W/s points of treatment in his Lyme Protocol is just above the belly button. I do it everytime.
A thought (Six, Brussels, anyone?)... if Bartonella is so easily passed around a family, (sharing a fork, a glass, a kiss) then what do you think about making a nosode from spit. Might that capture it?
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No idea, 17 Hens. My bartonella is gone .... I'm not sure what got rid of it. My hunch is that it was my immune system being stronger after the Lyme was gone.
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I think mine is gone too. But my son has it and the blood nosode from a few drops from the finger doesn't seem to do a thing. Doesn't hurt to try it, I guess.
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Mine took MONTHS to go away. Give it time.
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Deseret Biologicals carries Bart nosodes. However, you must transfer it from the brown vials to clear vials. In several of our experiences, there's something about the brown vials that blocks the treatment
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Peppersp, you're welcome!
---------- Polly Pol, good you feel candida got better. It is not a solo treatment (infrared for candida) but they don't like it.
I was never brave to use it without pulsing though! I pulsed around my whole waist (without nosodes), and never on 10, but lower (max 7 or so?). It was divine!!
Good luck! ---------- 17 hens, I use it laterally too, I find it helps. The back part (from back) is less efficient, but I do flash there too. Belly button part is though the strongest, I agree!
---------- Bart: it reacts to nosodes. Sheryl sells them or go to Deseret Biologicals (real homeopathy).
I would CERTAINLY give a try on their bart series if my bart came back.
I fought bart a lot BEFORE I used photons. When my borrelia got dormant, bart got too. But before, I swear bart was a damm hard infection to get under control.
I would try ingested (bart nosodes) or through photons ONLY in case my borrelia nosodes treatment would be finished. No parallel treatment with borrelia and photons (I wouldn't attempt that!!).
Bart nosodes react well even when only ingested, and even for people that NEVER used infrared. So it could be a big hit.
Saliva nosodes, one can always do, as well as urine nosodes. If you react to them, it means, they did something, right? Whatever you catch on saliva and urine, is the right individualized treatment for you!!�
You just have to find out which dilutions (as I'm not familiarized with undiluted stuff, like undiluted blood like dr.W uses...) ------------- Hi Joe!! Long time no see you! Could you sell your Bionic?
I just saw somethign about CFS in betterhealthguy (A deep Look Beyong Lyme, conference 2011):
�Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better.
The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection. These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH. One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins.
If you are interested, take a look at the whole article in better healthguy as he speaks how to dea with these nasal infections (with sanum usually) or candia /parasites.
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Joey is right, brown vials work only minimally compared to transparent vials!
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I have heard you have xmrv, which i do as well. Have you gotten any recovery from your neurological symptoms?
I have been in treatment for a few years now for Lyme and really haven't gotten too far. I still have Lyme Encephalopathy, which I believe is causing major neuro, attention, and personality issues.
Hause.
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I resumed treatment yesterday after an almost 4 week break.
I used a blood nosode again.
And oh my lord, it has hit on something huge!
Why am I feeling like I take a beating now when I do a treatment, vs how some people say they feel better after a treatment?
Only one time did I feel slightly better after a treatment (the first time with a blood nosode, I think ).
The treatment I did yesterday has been the hardest one yet. It think it's my 8th in all, and first one after a break.
I even used a lower intensity starting it again, and for a lesser amount of time on each point. The only difference was I used a fresh blood nosode with a little more blood than I used before.
I was tested for the MTHFR defect this past Monday but don't have the results yet. Could this be an issue even with photoning?
I'm almost positive I have the defect.
I am sooooooo sore all over
This detoxing stuff I use just isn't cutting it. I guess I'll go try a coffee enema. Uggggg
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I had more of a reaction when I used more blood, too.
I did use coffee enemas almost daily when treating, also whey protein powder shakes.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I had more of a reaction when I used more blood, too.
I got carried away. I was thinking more would be better. Ha!
The reaction was almost immediate. I was way more achy right after the treatment than I was before. Usually I don't feel anything until a few hours later or the next day.
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I think it is better when you use more. I wonder if you're more likely to have more different pathogens in a larger blood sample? That could be why.
I didn't feel horrible like when treating with abx, but I did feel my body was working hard when I used photons.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I didn't feel horrible like when treating with abx, but I did feel my body was working hard when I used photons.
Well at least I don't have that poisoned feeling I had with abx's. I just feel like I had the snot beat out of me.
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Your body is working hard. Let it rest for a few days for the photons to work. It's an intense treatment.
Have some coffee ..... it's an amazing help ....
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To Hambone,
Binders, binders!! And homeopathic cleansing products may help. But you got to test these, to be sure or it's like shooting in the dark!
That is why I keep telling you all: the killing part is the easiest in a protocol, even with photons. Just one treatment, easy explanation, one or few substances do the killing job well.
In all protocols, killing is the easiest. That is not where people should concentrate their attention (or desperation! )
What is hard is what comes after, the cleansing part. That shall occupy 80% of your time in finding out what you need exactly, 80% of your treatment budget, and 80% of overal treating time in a day and energy (as cleansers keep changing as your organs keep needing help in different times, and different substances).
If you cleanse well, your life goes like you are not sick, nor treating anything. It goes very smooth.
If you don't cleanse, you can go one or more steps backwards on improvement instead of goig forwards, and killing will slowly stop by itself.
And you can get to the point of having to go to emergency for whatever problems it may appear.
With photons, you can't stop your body killing, so it's the dangerous point, in my feeling.
Go slow!!!!!! Slowly wins the race!!
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As for the poisoning feeling, I know exactly what you mean. You can be sure that the herxes you feel are not chemical poisoning, but merely herxes (also poisoning, but from bacteria die off and inflammation).
I hope you feel better soon! Keep trying new binders, teas and try the 9MFT point tapping constantly!
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Which binders do you recommend? I use Apple Pectin.
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According to dr. W, after photons, cells dump toxins out plus the die off toxins, it makes a poisonous cocktail...
DAn, I don't know what to say, there were so many different things I used. The secret is energy test.
Are you doing the photon treatment and taking only apple pectin?
You can do guesses on what binders you need (my guess would be MAINLY chlorella, bear garlic, cardamon and all homeopathics used by dr. W like Hepar comp, lymphomyosot, solidago comp), or you can test energetically and find out exactly what is missing or what you don't need from the list above.
And believe me, it will be changing every day. Either in amount, in the combination, you have to add things and take off others. But you feel almost perfect, so its worth to keep looking to find what you need.
Magnesium is a must (dr. W. also puts in his cocktail), away from EMFs, no killer whatsoever. Dr. W. even doesn't recommend supplements, but he gives his cleasers through IV plus ozone... We treating solo have no choice than ingest.
Last year, I learned about breathing (a technique derived from the Pranayama from yogha), in the course Art of Living. It was a profound experience of detox for me (and I had no lyme already for more than a year when I did the course). They call it Sudarshan Kriya.
I had an intense physical detox experience and my head was in the clouds like smoking smocking herb for 3 weeks, non stop.
Today, when I feel anxious, I feel any toxins showing up (because of whatever reasons, KPU or just common colds), I mainly only breathe.
The logic on the breathing detox effect might have to do with oxygenation. I just remember that because I was reading again Connie's chapter on dr. W and he talks about ozone, and he says it works to clean the blood by oxygenation. I suppose breathing does similar, in case you have no access to ozone.
So, not moving, just sit upright or stand up, and let your body breathe deeply, start slowly, from nose or mouth, as you wish (I use only nose), you can vary the speed in 3 or 4 speeds.
The fastest must be VERY fast to the point you feel the oxygen in your brain clearly. Keep on for at least one minute, then change to slowest rhythm, and so on. If you do that for 5-10 minutes, whatever variation your body feels necessary, you can already feel some results (relaxing, for me).
The slowest is about one full breath (in and out) a second or so.
Just an idea, but I think it can be very powerful for helping detox and relax.
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I think this was the thread that talked about Bionic waking up parasites but not killing them.
I'm not so sure about that anymore.
(Forgive me if it was another thread, I can't think very well today. I've got my first real full blown cold and my head's in a cloud. I just don't have the energy to read back thru to make sure this is the thread or if it was another.)
I have seen more "aliens" in the toilet since starting Bionic treatment then I ever did when I took 4 months of Parastroy.
The last 3 weeks, I've been treating with the Bionic w/ blood nosode at 10 points.
I am taking a few supps (multi, thyroid support) and probiotic. I am drinking tonic water and every few days am adding some grapefruit seed extract. And every day or every other day I am doing a coffee enema.
I don't know if it's the Bionic or the tonic or the enema, but something has them falling out of me. And I'm feeling less parasite symptoms.
My husband did the bionic 2 days ago, and for the first time EVER, he called me in the bathroom to show me aliens.
I'm not convinced the bionic does not kill parasites. I'm believe it wakes them up, but I'm starting to think it kills them too.
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When I was herxing from photoning bactrim, I thought I had awakened parasites but it turned out to be a big herx and all the symptoms died down and improved greatly.
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Great news, 17hens!!�
There are so many parasites, I am glad to hear you got the good ones that are killed by light!!!
I know that bacteria is a bit the same, some HATE photons and die, some don't die.
As for viruses, so far, most hate infrared. And same as yeast.
I'll keep your experiences in my head!!! Thanks for sharing. If you know which are the nasty critters, please share with us!
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hens, I am not sure about the bionic killing parasites, but I have seen several people post that they saw parasites after doing a coffee enema.
I always say, "whatever works" If eating chocolate chip cookies kills them, well then just eat more chocolate chip cookies.
P. S. I eat ice cream because it keeps them in the G.I. track, and I eat the antiparasitic herbs and it kills them while they eat the ice cream.
Gael
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Another point: when borrelia goes, I swear that your immune system gets better in GENERAL.
Because of long term borrelia infection, I am a firm believer that parasites grow as they want, in our GI tract, in great amounts.
In other conditions, with a strong immune system, parasites won't have as good chance as with long term borrelia or long term candida.
Borrelia is EXTREMELY immunesupressive. And it also could be that some of your parasites are dying because your body's immune system is finally waking up and doing what it is supposed to do now.
But as for your husband, that would be TOO fast to be true. So it could be the light that really kills!!!
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Brussels - liver fluke (many after most every coffee enema) and 6"flat worm (w/out coffee enemas). I've gotten more than that after enemas, (I think photo links are on this thread and maybe others) but the flat worms did not follow enema.
My husband did not do coffee enema, ONLY bionic. His were flat worms too, I think. Other people's aliens are so much more disgusting (mine were pretty cute)! JK!!!
It is interesting, you're right, that I get my first cold just days after alien appearance.
Gael - Choc. chips and ice cream? No wonder I like you!!! Come over and we'll have a party!! You're welcome to come too, Selma! Bring some Lindt choco with you, will you please?
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