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Pretty interesting stuff!! Brave man, your husband!
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I have those sesame seed looking things all the time. I don't get the white globby stuff with it, though. Just the seed looking things.
What the heck are those?
Eggs? Tapeworm? pinworm?
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If you have a tapeworm, you will know it, trust me. They are enormous.
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Hambone, what are you doing to detox? What is working for you?
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Hambone, what are you doing to detox? What is working for you?
I don't know that it's working, but I am doing Epsom salt baths, skin brushing, Chlorella, burbur, and parsley. I have a FIR sauna, but it just kills me, so I avoid it like the plague.
I need to check out Pekana. Keep forgetting.
What are some other things I can do? What do you do?
I feel like I need to get better about this.
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Wow, impressive! Much better than me!
I'm doing coffee enemas on my treatment days and any other day that I'm feeling yucko (3-4 times per wk).
Skin brushing daily and epsom baths on yucko days.
And burbur if I feel toxicity building. Some days, like yesterday, I did nothing cause I felt fine and I was busy. No, I did do burbur 2x before bed.
It's working pretty well. Coffee enemas are the best though.
I'm thinking (still) of getting a cheapo infrared sauna off ebay. No way hubby will do an enema and he'll need some kind of powerful detox when he starts treatment.
My daughter's doing regular liver packs, bile flushes, and coffee enemas here and there and that seems to be working for her.
Wow, what did we do to keep busy before detox? Take drugs, I guess!
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Hens - why won't your hubby do coffee enemas? Does he think he's too cool for them?
You give him my number, and I'll set him straight.
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HaHa, James! I bet you would too!
Just to clarify, I've done 4 treatments now in this 2nd 3 week round. The only days I felt yucko were the two days immediately after the 1st treatment, so last week for 2 days. Since then, I've been feeling better and better.
Living the normal life is such a wonderful blessing, that I hope I don't ever again take for granted!!! Thank you, Lord Jesus!!
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I know six has gotten rid of her Neuro issues with the Bionic / PE1 treatment.
Has anyone else improved neurologically with this strategy? The thing I'm mostly trying to get after is the speed and depth of thought which is no longer present.
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I would say my neuro issues have much improved since treatment began in April. Some is still around though, but so are babesia symptoms. It's all a process that I'm still working on.
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17hens, did you have the lack of depth of thought / memory / speed of thought?
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Hi. Could someone PM me with the information you need to get an appointment in Germany? I would like to know how long you need to be there for the treatment to be effective. I have two sick children that I would bring during a school vacation. Any help at all would be appreciated.
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thehause - oh, yeah, still get that slightly when i'm feeling toxic but thankfully it's happening less and less often.
jeninma - i'll send you a pm.
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HI everyone, sorry for my delay in writing. I was travelling and getting bitten again by ticks... Anyway, so far no contamintation... I've been searching for mushrooms and doing gardening, hikes... Best way to get bitten, anyway!
17Hens: thanks for letting me post here again!! As for babesia, I don't think photons will deal DIRECTLY with it. What happens, in my feeling, is:
1) once borrelia gets to the background, your immune system works better and can get rid of things better.
2) dr. K. thinks borrelia is a sort of master-mind of tickborn coinfections. Without borrelia, other coinfections have little power on their own. They work synergistically to help each other. But once they lose their master-mind, they can even go dormant by themselves.
when my daughter got a relapse, and I got a relapse, I can test all coinfections coming slowly, from dormant to being VERY VERY ACTIVE.
It's EXACTLY like I have been bitten again and reinjected with all coinfections. This happened clearly to my daughter in Jan 2009, middle of the winter. One infection appear, then all other tick coinfections appeared and caused symptoms. We haven't been bitten in January, it was a real relapse.
We didn't treat babesia since then, I think (you got to refer to the old thread to be sure), but if I had had real trouble with babesia, I would have memory of it. I had very very TOUGH battles with babesia before I used my PE1. I hate babesia, that was my ugliest infection before photons. I'm alsmot sure my daughter got babesia active again in Jan 09, but I don't think I treated it directly.
I think dr. W. has experience enough to say that many infections go dormant after. I believe him from my own experience!
I guess great part of parasites being seen in urine and stools are part of this process of the immune system getting stronger and doing the job it was supposed to do, but it couldn't because of borrelia or lyme. -----------------------
Kimmie: I guess if you have no intestinal parasites, you won't see your situation going downwards (except for some herxes, but temporarily, if you take binders). If you have parasites that react with photons, you gotta watch out and treat parasitism first before attacking borrelia.
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Hambone, I have better experiences with Heel products than Pekana. The only Pekana I swear about is Mucan, that helps eliminating fungi or candida die off. It really helps in a gentle way.
For the rest, my body prefers Heel (Lymphomyosot, Hepar compositum, Solidago Compositum)... The ones dr. W. uses, I suppose.
When they stop working, you got to look into either herbs or tinctures (like Bear garlic, that is wonderful for kidneys, chlorella, MSM, apple pectin, milk thistle, ...). But still the best to correct the problem are specific homeopathics for each person.
Sometimes, foot reflex massage helps, or tapping the 9 MFT points help (very often).
------------ Mom with Hope: thank you !!!
------- the Hause: I guess most of us who had chronic lyme as main problem got rid of most (or all) neuro issues after treatment. I suppose I don't have any neuro issues anymore.
Most of the neuro issues though (or a lot of them) comes from excess of toxins, in my opinion. They aren't really caused by infection ONLY. Lots of brain fog can go only taking binders, but it has to be the good binders and you got to keep changing them accordingly (to your disease evolution).
-------- JenInMa: I hope someone will PM you with the info. I only got the old address of dr. W!!
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How in the heck do you guys distinguish which infection is your main issue?
Energy testing? Or just the way you feel?
For the life of me, I cannot tell one from the other. When I look at symptoms lists, they all overlap.
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Brussels - what binders do you use? I used ALA and a ton of anti-oxidants. My diet isn't perfect, but I do a lot.
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17hens please PM me the same information as you are sending jenin MA
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Hambone: energetic tests. Dr. W. also uses energetic tests to see how to treat patients individually, with or without ozone, which potencies of nosodes, etc. The follow up of treatment is also done with energy tests.
Before lyme, I would NEVER try energy tests because they sounded like voodoo or similar.
BECAUSE of lyme, I had no choice and went to dr. K's practioners, who ALL use energy tests. Since I started to feel better (I followed ALL their recomendations), and I felt my arm losing force and gaining force with their tests dozens of times in a session, I started to believe.
Now I believe it was one of the best things I learned in my life. It's not 100% accurate, but it is about 50 times better than guessing. It is about 80% accurate according to dr. K. I believe that too, if done by someone with experience.
You can know which infection is active (but not the dormant ones), which is causing which symptom, or if symptom is caused by toxins, what treatment to do for EACH infection, for each symptom, for each toxin building up, the amount of things to be ingested, how often you need and even if the treatment is reaching the area that is mostly affected!!! If not, what to do for the treatment to reach (tapping usually).
As I told above, even if energetic tests done by a good person is about 80% accurate, it is MUUUCH better than simple guess.
Before energetic tests, I could only guess. I guessed I had babesia because of symptoms and because I tood RIamet and got well so fast (then relapsed later though). I could guess my brain fog was mainly from toxins because when I took chlorella I felt better. Etc etc. With energy tests, you do a much better guess. What made me believe was clear improvement.
With energy tests, you can TUNE your treatment even daily. Believe me, you need different things almost on a daily base!!! Not everything changes, but as the ecossystem changes, new critters get attacked, then you need different binders or different minerals, for example.
I was not that bad as I could feel many substances before I did energy tests. But with energy tests, the accuracy got much better!
Candida symptoms overlap with borrelia, bartonella, parasitism... Impossible to know, I agree with you. When you start doing energy tests, you don't care much anymore on your symptoms as they do disappear or change very fast. You focus on eliminating disease as a whole, and with well being as a whole...
If your symptoms stay the same, it means, in my opinion, no improvement. Everytime you are on the right track, symptoms keep changing, like peeling the onion.
With photons though, you sometimes get symptoms ONLY disappearing, and not new ones appearing. Sometimes, at least.
But with any conventional treatments, you'll get changes of symptoms on and on, almost no stop, until you reach remission. At least, it happened to me a couple of times before my final remission of May 09. ------
The Hause: binders I USED, as I'm no longer treating.
Mostly chlorella, MSM when in great need, bear garlic tincture (done by myself or bought), milk thistle, cardamon in powder, and all homeopathics I wrote above, mainly from Heel. I don't remember all, sorry, you got to refer to the old thread to get more details.
Each problem needs to be addressed differently, and binders change almost daily (at least the amount changes daily). Even teas like green tea can serve as cleanser.
ALA is not a good binder for starting detox, but one of the latest ones, when one is already clean as it can move metals into unwanted places. I also used it, but not for very long, and certainly, not at starting point. Dr. K. talks about microsilica...
Diet: the most important is to energetically test yourself for all major allergens. BRain fog and energy improve almost immediately after that. If you eat and feel tired, for example, it may mean allergy. When you eat, you GOT to feel good after, not slow, not tired, not needing to nap, no bloating etc.
You can't track all your allergies or intolerance by clear symptoms. Some food caused my mouth to burn, others caused me loose stools, others bloating, others made me tired, but I didn't know the culprit were certain foods.
I learned that cutting allergens is a very important first step to healing lyme. And beware as the list of allergens increase with toxin build up and I suspect every chronic lyme sufferer has multiple allergies, but they don't know.
------------------------- Another tip to deal with fatigue (after solving the food allergy problem), that helped me immensely, was Coenzyme compositum from Heel.
Since I started ingesting it (I rediluted it once, I can tell how to do that, so that your vials last much longer), I never needed to buy any expensive Co10 supplement. I needed that on and off with lyme, while lyme was active.
Once I learned to use photons, I took it through photons and then never bought it anymore as I keep using the same vial (until TODAY, I can use the same old vial, after a flu or deep in winter, after any health problem).
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quote:Originally posted by Haley: 17hens please PM me the same information as you are sending jenin MA, Thanks
PM sent.
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Hey, I've got one for ya'll!
One of my main complaints these days is that my teeth hurt like I've been grinding them all night. Not even grinding, just clenching them. All day they feel sensitive, sore, like they took a beating.
Any ideas what would cause this, what I could do about or how I could use the Bionic to help with this?
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What do you guys do for Mold? Nosodes for that?
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Hey, Hens,
I mentioned in your pm to me that I thought Alien #1 was the same one as seen on lymephotos, but don't know what it is. I have seen it posted on curezone many times, so it must be more common than realized.
Since there are over 1,000 different parasites, it's more difficult to identify where they all come from.
(I might be inclined not to eat any octopus though) I think the coffee enemas are helping to kill them, possibly because of the acid.
I have seen others mention they had parasites exit after doing coffee enemas. Just to add the teeth clenching feeling and grinding is on the symptom list for parasites.
PLEASE continue on the antiparasitics when you can because you do not want these things to hatch again.
Really glad to hear of the progress you have made on the Bionic! Send more pretty pictures when you have a chance.
Gael
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Hens can you pm me the info please
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Sending PM.
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I'm again banned from LN, so I can't post again. Whatever reasons, I don't know.... I know another French person who has been banned too, so it may be that all Europeans are banned?
Well, so I won't be able to answer questions here anymore, nor PMs. Sorry!!!
Please write in the Yahoo forum called Bionic 880/ PE1 Discussion group.
------------ To 17 Hens: teeth problem will go on until you get to remission and even after.
Gum and teeth are very affected by lyme and many infections, coinfections and toxins. Specially root canaled teeth and the places where there were wisdom teeth which were extracted (or still in the mouth) and places that once had amalgams and got toxic.
If you got no amalgams or metals, you can use photons there to help. The best though is to find out whether you got cavitations through energetic tests and treat them. You can use ozone injections with procaine to treat them at least temporarily and gain time, it is VERY INEXPENSIVE and fast. Or you can extract the problematic teeth and clean the jaw from cavitation.
The most important is to find out what is the problem. Either infection or toxins, usually. You got to treat each tooth like if it is an organ. They have to test good, each of them. To do that test, you got to touch both the tooth and the gum while asking questions, so that you get both problems (from teeth, gum and jaw).
never ignore teeth problems as each of them can affect an organ or organs from your body. Besides, when infection stays there, it is not good.
Either your body is developing infections there as part of 'peeling the onion' process, or toxins are coming out (it is PAINFUL when toxins come out, at least for me). Whatever it is, you got to help your teeth and gums to heal. Infrared can help but it can also move heavy metals , so use with care and get your binders ready!
In my feeling, both GI tract and teeth are vital for being healthy. When both are in good health, you are a healthy person. When one is in trouble or both are in trouble (even if you are symptomless aparently), there's is no health possible.
First step is to discover what is the problem, tooth by tooth. When you get the problem, treat it seriously, as though you are treating an organ in trouble.
All practioners following dr. K know about how important it is to treat the mouth. I once heard him saying something like: "I usually ask the patient to open his/her mouth. Just by looking at their mouth, I know how are their chances to get better, if it will take long or if it will be fast!"
--------------- To CANEFAN, abut candida:
I fought candida for MUCH longer than I fougth borrelia and lyme. For me, the best treatment was:
- constant chelation with whatever method you think fits, but that has to go on for years without interruption, and always changing substances and methods (KPU, infrared, cholorella, cardamon powder in hot water, psychokinesiology, chemicals, rubbed oils on skin, rubbed tinctures etc).
- diet (low carb, NO sugar, high protein diet, fewer fruits; allergen free; add Rechtsregulat daily that are wonderful enzymes)
- Killers: mostly homeopathic from Sanum, like Albicansan then Sanukehl Candida; or Pefrakehl then San. Cand; or Mucokehl then sometimes San Myc or San Cand; Mucedokehl.
You can help killing by adding infrared in the GI area, with pulsed mode (without nosodes). Always have something to bind toxins as they are VERY toxic (more than borrelia, in my feeling).
Mucan, from Pekana helps with brain fog coming from candida or fungal die off. But one needs LOADS of chlorella and other binders too.
Using plants or chemicals to kill like grapefruit seed extract, oregano oil, salt in high amounts, vinager, pharma chemicals, whatever you choose, will NEVER be as efficient as Sanum nosodes (or other candida nosodes). I can tell that by experience. They help, but never get rid of CHRONIC candida or chronic fungal infections.
If one does not chelate, it WILL come back. Think about lowering symptoms in the first 6 months or so, then think about getting rid of the infection in a matter of a couple of years, if on constant chelation. It's not something you can do in a few weeks, if you see what I mean. You can though lower symptoms quite fast and live an almost a normal life, while still on treatment.
Once symptoms disappear, I would continue chelation, and candida will ALWAYS appear again while while on chelation. But this type of infection is milder and easier to treat.
I don't know of any other treatment, in case you suffer from very chronic (long term) candida. Certainly, stop ALL antibiotics as they bring only catastrophe.
All candidas and fungal infections start at the GI tract, no matter if you have them on the skin or in you ear, or on the tongue and you think your GI works wonderfully well. The source of infection is in the GI tract. It took me more than 15 years to believe this theory, now I'm convinced!
Just killing will not get rid of chronic candida. Just diet won't either. Just chelation, won't work as lots of heavy metals are hidden inside the body of fungi and candida, so you need them dead to bind their heavy metals.
After 20 years of suffering, I think I got candida into control. It can still come back sometimes in winter, but it is muuch weaker and easy to deal with (few days on Sanum, light diet, it goes dormant).
I got more trouble to eliminate candida than borrelia. It was more stubborn for me.
A new treatment that could also work is the Allergie-Immun treatment. But we're still not well versed in that to know (at home). We're still testing it. I would use it VERY slow and with care as I think it may take time to see good results with it and there can be a sort of reverse effect in the beginning (like allergies getting worse initially, or too many toxins building up too fast).
Whatever treatment is good for candida, is also good for lyme. That is my general feeling. The same milieu where candida thrives is the milieu that borrelia thrives.
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THE ABOVE POST IS FROM BRUSSELS. She is not able to post on here again. You have always been such a big help here!
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: Just to add the teeth clenching feeling and grinding is on the symptom list for parasites.
PLEASE continue on the antiparasitics when you can because you do not want these things to hatch again. Gael
Gael, I just want to thank you for posting here. I appreciate your parasite wisdom for sure! And I will treat for them as soon as I possibly can. I think they might be causing more trouble for me right now than the babesia.
"I will get you, my pretty!! (Evil laughing!)"
And I look forward to sharing more award winning photos with everyone - shows off my true talents!
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Can we come up with a US proxy server that will allow them to gain access?
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I really liked Brussel's post.
Concerning the banning: I wish LymeNet would just get better forum software. Everything here seems so archaic, like it's a forum from the 1990's. The newer programs have so many protections against spamming that you wouldn't even need to block out entire countries. That's just my opinion.
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Could you just add in that thread for CANEFAN that for Aspergilus niger, Sanum has also a product called Nigersan, that is recommended by dr. K. in most of his seminars. I never had to fight Aspergilus for very long, so I didn't use it long term. Dr. K. swears by it, but really long term.
I don't really follow the whole Sanum recomendations, nor dr. K, but I do think many of their products are really the best to fight certain infections or the left-over from infections. For chronic infections,I do find they are the best I ever tried!
For Aspergilus sufferers, I suppose you got to combine with Mucokehl to get totally rid of the infection (energetic tests can show that or just follow Sanum recomendations to stop the cycle of Aspergilus- Mucor, in case you have no access to energetic tests).
Another unknown group of products from Sanum that helped me very deeply, but used short term, were the Polysans, that are not marketed as remedies. Sanum can't market them as remedies. But I learned how to use them from a Sanum 'specialist', and can tell you guys how to use them, without any danger. Only rubbed.
Thank you again.
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Hi again everybody!!
Thanks to Lou and to Six, I'm back again! I thank you moderators for solving the problem!
I know it's a huge work (and unpaid) to keep LN running, so I do appreciate your efforts!
Thanks for the support from all!
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Yay! I'm glad you're back ... again!
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Ok guys and gals....
Fever. Why am I running a higher fever since starting photon treatment?
It pretty much stays between 99.5 and 99.8.
Before photons, I'd get a fever here and there. Now it's pretty steady.
I think I may have done too much
I'm on my month off and haven't treated in almost 2 weeks, but the fever is never ending. The blood nosode, I feel, really hit something.
Is this normal?
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I would think getting a fever would mean your immune system is starting to work. When I was first sick I always had a low grade fever like that. As I got more sick, the fevers went away. Hopefully once you've killed off all your infections the fever will go away.
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quote:Originally posted by jlp38: I would think getting a fever would mean your immune system is starting to work. When I was first sick I always had a low grade fever like that. As I got more sick, the fevers went away. Hopefully once you've killed off all your infections the fever will go away.
That's how it was for me, too. Fevers in the beginning, then nothing, now fevers again.
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I saw a doc in Spain who wanted me to do hyperthermia - basically inducing a fever to stimulate my immune system. They have a way over there to raise your core body temp. Of course you cant do it here. I've been trying to do it with the sauna but can't seem to get it high enough.
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Sounds like a strong immune response to me. I have heard it is possible to overdue the photons. I think you should wait to treat again until this clears. That is just my thoughts.
You may want to take some oral antioxidants like vitamin E, A & C for a couple days or drink some green tea if the response is too strong.
The antioxidants should help to clean up the oxidation caused by reactive oxygen species produced from the mitochondria. They really help with the inflammatory response.
Maybe Six or Brussels will give their thoughts.
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Oh, I just wanted to add that I do not think antioxidants should be taken all the time with this treatment, only on an as needed basis when the immune response and inflammation is too high. They should help.
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If anyone who is reading here has called the Guesthause in Germany recently and is named Julie, please PM me.
Karin called me today and is worried she misunderstood your phone call. She asked me to try to find Julie and help her to understand the details of the call.
Or if you don't want to do that, please contact Karin again but by email next time. It is much easier for her to use her google translate on an email than understand an American (with all our many accents and slangs) over the phone.
Thank you!
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I was just on the Bionic website, and there is a notice stating that the company and Dr. W will NO LONGER be collaborating!?
What does this mean for those going to Germany to treat or for those wanting to buy the Bionic?
Feeling like I should be freaking out a bit but am controlling myself until I learn more......
17Hens/Six--any news regarding this development?
Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not go into details here.
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PMing you.
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HAMBONE:
Fever: I guess you are the lucky guy? I never ran fever while with lyme...
Lyme bacteria hate higher temperatures. ---- But if you feel crap for long, I guess it could be the next peeling the onion infection showing up?
I had once tuberculosis in my joints, and I may had had fever (I was in such a bad condition that I don't know if I measured my temperature).
It was part of the cleaning (peeling the onion), like getting all dormant infections alive again. I needed to address to it (even took days of antibiotics).
I hope it's nothing too serious. Stop killing for a while and concentrate on cleaning, antioxidants, resting, out of EMRs etc. Crossing fingers for you. If you're really bad, send me a PM! ------- Mom with Hope:
Even if they are not collaborating, I suppose the company will STILL want to sell the Bionic to you!!! Just contact them directly, without the intevention of dr. W (?)
It would be crazy if they don't want to sell you!!
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I agree with Fuel. I'd like to know too.
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Sure, I agree. Here's what I PMed aMomWithHope.
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No, don't freak out. It all works out fine, it's just a bit awkward, that's all.
How do I answer this without making some party look bad? They parted ways.
Dr. W. has built his own photon machine and is using it, rather than the Bionic that he's treated patients with for 9 years, to treat current patients. He claims it's stronger.
Dr. W. did not mention another machine to me before I went over for treatment. I thought I was getting Bionic treatment, so it was rather awkward when I found myself hooked up to another photon machine. But in the end, it seems his machine worked fine.
I'm glad I bought the Bionic since this was the machine he successfully treated lyme with for many years.
In the book, "Insights into Lyme Disease Treatment," a German holistic practitioner named K. treats with the Bionic and has had good success. Dr. W. is also highlighted in the book with the successes he has had using the bionic.
If you notice on the Bionic website, it offers a list of other German doctors who treat lyme with the Bionic.
All I can tell you is that I got treated by Dr. W. with his photon machine and I've been using the Bionic since I've been home and it is working.
From what I can gather from others who were treated by Dr. W., he might sell his machine or he might not, but if he does it'll likely cost more than the Bionic.
Dr. W. never mentioned to me the availability of his machine since he knew I purchased the Bionic before starting his treatments.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions."
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Hey guys, why you don't try buying the CHEAPEST sota Lightworks model (about 300 dollars, if my memory is good) just to test?
A few people treated with LW with good results. The PE1 was just 10 times stronger than LW, they swore. But if you want to see how it works and don't want to spend the money, why not trying 300 dollars on this cheaper model?
People that have both LW and the PE1 swear that they work similarly, but that the PE1 is about 10 times stronger. If you want to use the LW, you just need to treat 10 times longer than with the PE1!!!
Just an idea. Don't freak out!
Do a search in the old threads with the words Sota and Lightworks, you may find the old threads to decide! -- What I mean is that there are OTHER devices than the Bionic that seem to work. You don't have to freak out!! Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
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