sixgoofykids
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Dan, I had to use the Bionic for months on end, taking breaks, of course. But I also had to do various detoxes. It wasn't just getting rid of the infections, it was healing the body.
I, too, needed KPU. I also needed parasite cleansing and major detoxing. I had to rebuild the gut.
BUT, having the Bionic to treat the infections made it simpler for me.
It would not have lasted for me either had I not continued treating with the Bionic while also working on those other issues. Also, I definitely think the blood nosode was a key to getting well. I stopped using the Lyme nosodes and switched over relatively early on.
I hope the next time around works better for you. If you needed Rifampin, perhaps the bartonella acted up once the Lyme was treated by the photons???
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Yes, I know the bartonella surfaced after I dealt with babesia and some borrelia, and yes, I think the bionic helped with that. I consider the bionic to be among the best options currently available and I will definitely use it more in the future, but judging by how much die off I had from rifampin and how much improvement it gave me in such a short amount of time, I feel like I have yet to benefit from some of the regular treatments, so I'm going to run the gamut through them a little while longer until they don't work anymore. I'm also just starting to use a machine similar to an ondamed but cheaper, and it seems to really be doing something.
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I missed the video of someone demonstrating the PE-1
can someone link me
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17hens did one using the bionic. Is that what you're looking for? The link is on page 4 of this thread.
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Thanks
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So how does the body recognize the nosodes once you place the nosodes over the solar plexus?
And what is the purpose of the red light?
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The energy of the pathogen is in the body's energy field.
The light is to add energy to the body.
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OK, I was trying to find the answer to canefan's question (since I didn't know it myself) and I found a really good explanation of the way the whole "energy medicine" works.
This is all very foreign to me, but try reading these links in this order and see if you understand it better...
Oh, of course, Connie's. I'll have to find that link. Any others?
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Thank you for posting these links Hens
I was reading one of them ( can't remember which ), and it said Dr. W thinks the photons change the frequency of the borrelia so that it stops making you sick ( I don't quite understand how that would stop making someone sick. )
If that is true, then why do some people Herx? The second and third treatment I did, I felt like I was beaten with a club the next day. Wouldn't that be from die-off and toxins? Why does Dr. W insist you have strong detox tools if the photons aren't causing die-off?
I did my 4th treatment today and (so far ) I do feel a little better than I have. Not great, but after the treatment my mind seems clearer and my feet stopped hurting. My brain feels less inflammed.
It's the day after that has kicked my butt, though.
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The way he explained it to me is that the borrelia ceases being a bad bacteria. I don't know why it makes you feel bad. Maybe some of the bacteria dies off and what's left is no longer harmful? I don't think we really know for sure. Dr. W. said that it was his theory that the borrelia stops making us sick, but that it wasn't a sure thing, it's just his opinion.
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Never heard any of that before.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: The way he explained it to me is that the borrelia ceases being a bad bacteria. I don't know why it makes you feel bad. Maybe some of the bacteria dies off and what's left is no longer harmful? I don't think we really know for sure. Dr. W. said that it was his theory that the borrelia stops making us sick, but that it wasn't a sure thing, it's just his opinion.
Thanks SGK.
I am getting the biggest kick out of the pain relief you can get from this. I focused the light on my frozen shoulder earlier, and I can raise it a little more now without pain.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Never heard any of that before.
I think it was in one of the posts in Bionicsurfbabe's blog.
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I'm so glad you're having good results.
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So those of you who've used photon therapy...
Do you herx like you would from anything else? Say you do a session on Monday... do you get whacked on Tuesday, Wed, Thurs, etc?
Or do you just get better?
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: So those of you who've used photon therapy...
Do you herx like you would from anything else? Say you do a session on Monday... do you get whacked on Tuesday, Wed, Thurs, etc?
Or do you just get better?
So far I get whacked for a good two days after. It levels off after 2 days. I'm hoping that will get better the more I use it.
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The herx for me is unlike other treatments, the "bad" feeling actually feels like my body getting stronger and more normal. The problem is that the bionic treatment's results seem to be short lived for me, although I haven't tried blood yet. On the other hand any Lyme treatment I try has this problem.
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dan
what treatment are you doing with bionic? Cos or borrelia?
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I've done both, I have a boatload of nosodes. I'm taking a break right now from bionic because I believe this kind of treatment will work better after bacterial load is reduced as much as possible, so I'm working my way through a few more drugs / herbs to kill what I can. I'm going to go for AI, bionic, transfer factors, etc when the killing herbs/drugs seem to stop working.
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Dan, how long did you use photons? If you were feeling better and more normal, why not continue with it?
It took me time. I used it twice weekly for a few months, then started taking months off, then treating twice weekly for three weeks, then another month off, etc., for many months before I switched to monthly treatments. It take time.
Based on my experience, I'd use the Lyme nosodes, then switch over to blood. No need to mess with other nosodes, I found then to be a waste of time and money.
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quote:Originally posted by dan67: The problem is that the bionic treatment's results seem to be short lived for me
Maybe consistancy would get you past this. If you think about how it works, scientifically, consistancy is the only thing that makes sense.
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I hear Lyme people talk about taking antibiotics for months or doing photons for months. I am certainly open to this, but when I've done this with almost any treatment in the past, I plateau after a month or so and the rest of the time nothing happens at all. I've even tried treatments for months past the plateau, just to see, but still nothing. I feel stuck rotating everything more often due to this.
But I will give photons a longer try at some point, for sure... the photons seem to hold the most promise for long term remission at this point. Six, thanks for the tips on using blood.
Six, did you notice "stuff happening" whether herx, change in symptoms, or improvement, during your whole journey?
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Six,
During those months, weeks, or days off did you taking any antimicrobial herbs or antiparasitics?
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I never took anything for killing bacteria (only for killing parasites, and even then it was much later) once I used the bionic. I had such good results from it, I trusted it to work and didn't want to interfere. The time off is supposed to be time off ... taking something defeats the purpose. It's time for the body to catch up. I didn't take time off for a while though, but I also did not over-treat, never more than twice a week.
Dan, sometimes the changes were subtle. I blogged about every treatment if you're interested in that kind of detail, otherwise, I'm happy to try to answer questions here.
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So sixgoofy,
If you're using photon therapy (and nosodes) you're only able to go after a few infections, right? (borrelia, bart, babs, myco)
So I guess you didn't need to attend to other infections in the gut?
I guess my worry with photon therapy would be allowing other bacteria and viruses to take over while you deal strictly with Lyme and Cos
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: So sixgoofy,
If you're using photon therapy (and nosodes) you're only able to go after a few infections, right? (borrelia, bart, babs, myco)
So I guess you didn't need to attend to other infections in the gut?
I guess my worry with photon therapy would be allowing other bacteria and viruses to take over while you deal strictly with Lyme and Cos
That's why blood nosodes are used. It has ALL of the information the body needs to go after.
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Oh great point ^^^ (wow that would really take the guessing game out of it)
So when someone talks about using blood nosodes it's not specific to any particular infection?
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Right, no guessing with blood nosodes as blood carries all the information.
I did work hard on my gut for a long time, more than a year. I used Humaworm for parasites, which also hits bad gut bacteria. I ate lots of fermented foods and took probiotics. I think the ferments were more effective than the probiotics.
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Ya, agree with ferments being potent.
So do you guys recommend starting with blood nosodes or doing the formulas (desert, etc)
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I would do the Lyme nosodes, then switch to blood. I found it a waste of time to treat individual infections with nosodes. Dr. W told me that it was too much to start out with blood because the Lyme needs treated first. He had a lady who required hospitalization when she started out with blood, so Lyme nosodes, then blood.
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Wowsers
Ya I can't imagine what all you'd hit right off the bat with blood nosodes.
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quote: dan67: I am certainly open to this, but when I've done this with almost any treatment in the past, I plateau after a month or so and the rest of the time nothing happens at all. I've even tried treatments for months past the plateau, just to see, but still nothing. I feel stuck rotating everything more often due to this.
Hi Dan, It probably would be interesting for you to have your seleniumstatus checked, for if it is low, any treatment will possibly fail because the body's immune function will simply be too low to continue improving.
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Sixgoofy (others too),
Would it not make sense to address KPU before using Photon Therapy?
If the idea of light therapy is to re-train the immune system to attack the infections... wouldn't it make sense to first get your immune system back?
Dr K says White Blood Cells without Zinc are like an army with no bullets.
Well Photon Therapy with minimal immune system activity sounds like potential for minimal results.
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I am way out of my league here. Just not to this level of health knowledge yet, so I'll shut up and listen after saying...
Interesting line of thought here. Maybe if you lack zinc, that's a problem. Aren't white spots on your fingernails a marker of needing more zinc? None of my family has those.
What's the saying about staying quiet and people will believe you're highly intellegent? Too late for me.
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Try topical ionic MgCl for the itchy red bumps. Not all over - just apply a little to a forearm/leg.
Liquimins...Amazon...Blue bottle. Goes a long way. 4 eyedroppers full = approximately the RDA for Mg/400mg. Personally, I'd only start with 2 eyedroppers full. It might burn a little for a very short time.
Trace Minerals Research Liquimins Mega - Mag Liquid Magnesium, Low Sodium, 4-Ounce (Pack of 3)
I would also use sublingual B6 25mg(Source Naturals)- Amazon. Dissolves fast under the tongue and doesn't taste bad. B6 has more functions than any other vitamin.
My personal fav. is Essential Formulas. Take 1 with a full glass of water before a meal.
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My Naturopath also says that the white spots on your nails are an indication of adrenal issues?
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I got a lot of benefit from the bionic pre-KPU, but KPU definitely was a HUGE piece of the puzzle as well. I don't know that my immune system would have ever kicked in and gotten rid of the "other" issues without it.
I believe zinc was in the IV's Dr. W gave us, so that could have been a part of the help we got over there .... not to be taken as the Bionic didn't do anything, it did TONS, and I had great results from it at home prior to doing KPU.
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White spots sometimes caused by zinc deficiency.
Bb uses zinc.
Be careful. Must be in balance with copper. Don't overdo.
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Some things on my mind....
1) I got a cold sore on my lip. I haven't had one in YEARS, and got one after my 4th photon treatment. Coincidence? Healing reaction? Photons waking up dormant viruses?
2) Does anybody have any thoughts about using saliva as a nosode?
3) Do you think it would be safe or ok to use the photons daily WITHOUT NOSODES on my frozen shoulder to help it heal faster and give pain relief?
4) I get pretty immediate pain relief on my heels on treatment days. But when the relief wears off after a day or so, the heel pain is getting stronger and stronger. Could this be Bartonella rearing it's ugly head since the Lyme is being beaten down ( hopefully ), or do you think it's toxins settling in my feet?
You don't have to answer every question. If you know the answers to any or have a theory, please share.
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quote:
1) I got a cold sore on my lip. I haven't had one in YEARS, and got one after my 4th photon treatment. Coincidence? Healing reaction? Photons waking up dormant viruses?
My guess is body getting strong enough to fight the virus. You're reaching that "layer of the onion."
quote:2) Does anybody have any thoughts about using saliva as a nosode?
Tried it for viruses when I had a cold. Helped with the bacterial part (sinus infection) but did nothing for the virus.
quote:3) Do you think it would be safe or ok to use the photons daily WITHOUT NOSODES on my frozen shoulder to help it heal faster and give pain relief?
You could. Dr. W had someone I was there with use it on his back for 20 minutes, but I don't know the frequency. My frozen shoulder *just* started unfreezing a few months ago when I was doing some shoulder rotation work with resistance bands.
quote:4) I get pretty immediate pain relief on my heels on treatment days. But when the relief wears off after a day or so, the heel pain is getting stronger and stronger. Could this be Bartonella rearing it's ugly head since the Lyme is being beaten down ( hopefully ), or do you think it's toxins settling in my feet?
Could be either. I'd move around daily to try to keep the lymph flowing.
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Thanks SixGK
Appreciate it!
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Did anybody else get constant low grade fevers from photon treatment?
Is this a good thing?
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I did not.
I did at some point later on get constant viruses .... that was when I added in KPU.
Fevers are a sign the immune system is working. I don't know that it's good, but I don't know that it's bad either.
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I long for the days where can actually run a fever lol
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: I long for the days where can actually run a fever lol
Then I'll know I'm truly on my way
You are welcomed to come try this thing if you ever want to. Just let me know.
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You're in Florida area?
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