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Gael, I was afraid you were going to say that.
I just started my first Bionic treatment for coinfections yesterday, which will last 3 weeks. As far as I know, I can't treat for parasites during this time.
Is there any other way to get rid of the big red itchy hurty bumps? Please say yes.
Maybe I could make a special facial epsom salt bath and soak my head for 20 minutes at a time?
I'm kinda kidding, kinda not!
Six,
I changed my post to read "Someone to help is a must IMO." Obviously one can do it alone. You did and so did others.
Another thing to consider when making this decision is the landlady of the apartment where we stay.
She is a wonderful woman who gives of herself, too much sometimes. She could easily end up with too much responsibility (and liability) with patients who travel alone.
While I was there, I saw her making dinner for a patient/guest, driving them around when needed, taking them to doctor's appointments when they were too sick to drive, almost admitting one to the hospital then staying up all night with worry that he was alright alone in his room.
Taking someone along would be the best for everyone. Of course, it's not always possible.
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You're right, 17 Hens, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was disagreeing .... I think it was easier for us because there were three of us, so none of us were really alone. Fortunately, we weren't all doing badly at the same time. We all helped each other.
Red forehead bumps can also be caused by not enough vitamin B. Even my healthy kids get that and supplementing makes it go away.
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Great news 17hens!
Brussels - who used to post here, has a message board on Yahoo, I think. I don't have the address. She has alot of experience for people who want to use the PE-1.
I think you could even get by with the LightWorks with this sort of treatment. You have to be the kind of person who likes to experiment on yourself, though.
I would definitely do a parasite cleanse first.
Ozone can also be used for mold remediation in the home.
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So it looks like all we would need is the PE-1 and the nosodes? That sounds pretty easy.
It's hard for us Westerners to comprehend how LED lights and a bottle of liquid can help us cure a serious illness. I'm very curious about this.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979:
It's hard for us Westerners to comprehend how LED lights and a bottle of liquid can help us cure a serious illness. I'm very curious about this.
Yep. True. But it works well against the bacterial aspect of the illness.
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hens,
Try the B vitamins like six suggested, and also the epsom salt soaks are not a bad idea.
There is also an enzyme spray that you can find under nutrional support at the Lymebusters forum.
This is probably gonna sound crazy, but i have been doing it for several yrs and it helps with the itchies and pain.
READY? Put some Kefir or yogurt in a small bowl (you can add extra probiotics) add some milk (the lactic acid in the milk helps calm things down) and refigerate.
Slap some of the poultice (well I don't really mean slap)on you scalp, cover with paper towels and baseball cap.
It has been an enormous help to me. Takes my headache away also. You can also dab some on your spots on your face.
The other thing you can try is Super Lysine Plus ointment. It does have natural abxs, so don't know if you can use them with your bionic. Hope something can work for you,
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Another remedy for skin problems is "super oxicell" by Apex. It's also a great way to increase your glutathione levels (glutathione is best absorbed through the skin or IV, since it is not absorbed through digestion), which is a big benefit for Lyme & Co.
I use that simply to increase my glutathione, even though I don't have skin problems.
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Does anyone know if the PE-1 regulates hormones?
Thanks for all the bugtbegone helpers! I'll start trying them.
Six, do you see any of these suggestions that I couldn't try while in treatment?
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17 Hens, in general you're not supposed to use killing herbs while using the photons. I don't know if it's different using anti-parasiticals or not since they're going after different organisms.
I found the key for me was to keep it simple. I did add a lot of detox in. And I do think parasite treatment is necessary. It's also tempting to add more in during the breaks, but the breaks also need to be breaks.
The PE1 has the same hz light, 880 nm. It has different frequencies though. I imagine it does basically the same thing.
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Thanks, Six. I was told by Dr. W.'s office to stop the Parastroy when I left home, so a few days before treatment, and I haven't been back on it since.
I am doing my best to "keep it simple." I think that has been the best advice I've ever gotten regarding Bionic treatment and I much appreciate your kind reminders. I need to be reminded for sure!
Of course, preparing my family for Bionic treatment and actually starting them on it, plus whole house mold remediation has left little time to "make things complicated."
Still, I'd love to find a way to get rid of these ugly hurty bumps. I'll start with B vits and some epsom salt facial baths. Maybe that will be enough.
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Also - re: Does anyone know if the PE-1 regulates hormones?
What exactly does the Bionic 880 do to regulate hormones? If it has to do with exposure to infrared light - you would probably get that from the PE-1 or the LightWorks, as well.
You may get that from going out into the sun, too...?
The LightWorks is about half as strong as the Bionic - if I recall correctly. So, you need to use it twice as long. I think the PE-1 is about equal to the Bionic 880.
I may be mistaken - it's been a while since I studied all of this.
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Can someone explain to me what nosodes are and how you would use them with the PE-1?
What is the purpose of nosodes?
I got the go-ahead from hubby to buy one, but am doing a lot of reading and more learning first.
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Six is the expert with regard to explaining how the nosodes work. Seriously.
I am using them exactly with the PE-1 as I did with the Bionic. I am simply taping them to my solar plexus during the treatment session.
I HAVE reduced the intensity and the time that I am using the PE-1 vs. the bionic. The reason? After speaking with the folks at PhotoEnergetics, they said that they have documented several studies that show that the PE-1 is 4x more powerful than the bionic. For that reason, I am starting out LOW and SLOW!! I do NOT want a herx rxn like I had in Germany.
With regard to the facial issues, do you know of any other type of poultice to use? Unfortunately, when I put anything on my face that has lactic acid, I have a remarkably bad reaction! Red, "swollen" skin -- as if I had one HUGE hive!! Same if I use any egg poultice. I am not allergic to milk nor eggs -- just soy. I am not lactose intolerant. I simply have a really bad reaction to placing these things on my skin.
Six -- I was surprised that my LLMD wanted me using A-BABS, A-BART and A-L Complex while I was using photon treatment. He said that because I was having such "neurological backsliding" he wanted me to use those in addition. He said that he DID NOT want me on any antibiotics at this point. I liked that!!
With regard to the woman who owns the Gastehaus: Yes, she does sometimes take on far too much. She drove me to my physician's appointments and picked me up, as well. I knew in advance, however, that I would be paying for these. It is a service she offers for guests who she knows cannot take the bus, but she also lets you know in advance the charge to do this. I opted to pay the additional cost because it was more than worth it to me.
The one individual that she drove, she did not charge -- and I told her that I thought she should mention that to them. I went with her to that appointment, because I knew she was going to have to stay for quite some time. It was then that Dr. W. told her that she was going to have to transport him to the hospital -- that he was going to need surgery. Ultimately, however, this person did not -- but the owner of the Gastehaus spent a good three hours at the doctor's office. Well, actually, we also went to the grocery while the person was receiving infusions!
With regard to cooking, she did give me something to eat two times, and did it out of the goodness of her heart. Once was after I had a Grand Mal (actually tonic / clonic) seizure, and once because she wanted me to taste what REAL German food tasted like!
By and large, I cooked for myself. If you are unable to cook for yourself, unable to bathe yourself or even wash your own clothing, you need to be in a hospital setting, or you need to bring either a caretaker or a nurse with you.
I went to Germany with the attitude that I was going to regain my LIFE. While I knew that I was significantly debilitated, I was DETERMINED that I was going to be independent. It was a goal that was realistic, attainable and had potential for immediate results. When I was told that an apartment wasn't available until after the first three days I was in Germany, I told the woman who runs the Gastehaus that it was a perfect situation: I planned on sleeping, regaining my strength and getting my body prepared to fight like a tiger during those days! That is EXACTLY what I did.
Even BEFORE the treatment, I rode with this absolute ANGEL sent to anyone who goes there to the grocery, did my shopping, and put my groceries away, etc.
After I started my treatments, I had a full daily "regimen". I got up, started my strong coffee (as per Dr. W instructions), ran my bath (usually detox) and prepared for my day. If I didn't have an MD appointment, I cleaned my apartment, dug in the dirt, walked -- anything to increase my physical abilities and independence.
None of these things were easy given my disabilities. My LLMD here says that the only reason I am alive is because of my attitude. I think I inherited that from my grandmother who, at 101 years of age was still going strong.
If you are not willing or able to do things independently -- if you are going to need help -- it is only right that you have someone come with you. One particular person really relied on 17Hens and her traveling companion to take care of them. After they left, this person had someone come with them to drive them, etc. The option was given, however, to be driven to and from their appointments by the owner of the Gastehaus. It is, of course, an additional charge -- and well should be.
The landlady of the Gastehaus is more than generous when it comes to letting you ride with her if she is going somewhere. I was fortunate that she would ask me if I needed to go to the grocery when she was going and things of that nature. I tried NOT to take advantage of her generosity, however, and if I didn't need anything, I simply thanked her for the offer but said, "Alles klar"!! I will say, too, that because I spent the amount of time that I did there, she and I definitely developed a friendship. We have been in contact at least twice weekly since I have returned home. I want to go back to Germany just to see HER!!
Hambone: I have the CD that PhotoEnergetics sent me . . . I can copy it and send it to you if you would like. Just send me a PM.
I suppose that's all for tonight! LOL!!
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17hens-
Your mailbox is full. Can you PM me the contact info I need for Dr W, and any other info I need?
I have a friend who speaks German, so they can translate for me-
Thinking seriously about it at this point.
Thanks
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Think of it this way, the light strengthens your body, and the nosodes make the bacteria visible to the immune system. In our bodies, as we know, the bacteria hides. So when you use the nosodes, taped on your solar plexus, in your energy field. your immune system recognizes that it's there. Remember, it's an energy treatment, so the energy being in your energy field and not in your body is enough.
Got'em, that's great that he doens't think you need abx!!! YAY!! Based on my experience (I tried herbals when I got back), I would hesistate to use the herbals with the Bionic. The Lyme is the most insidious infection. Once it's gone the other infections don't have nearly the hold they once did. You have to trust the photons to do their job like they did before. Just my opinion based on my experience (basically, when I added herbs, I REALLY backslid).
Your neuro symptoms came back, yes, but you were three weeks without treatment. If they went away before they'll go away again, especially when you're strong enough to use blood.
The benefit of using blood (this is for everyone not just got'em) is that you don't have to know what infections you have. The blood mops up all of them.
The landlady is wonderful. She was making dinner one night when steelbone and I stopped in to say hi. She INSISTED that we try what she was making. I sure hope there was still enough food for their dinner. It was wonderful .... not a full meal, but a nice size sample. Steelbone and I ate out every night. He wasn't going to cook and I wasn't up to it at the beginning. Later, well, it was nice eating out every day ..... and that way we got German food.
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Beths -- your mailbox is full -- can't respond!! LOL
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Hi Six!! Thanks for the heads up about the herbs . . . I DO NOT want to backslide any more than I have! I've ordered the herbal formulas, but my photon treatment is ordered for four weeks right now with the Meyer's Cocktail following and Methylcobalamin injections IM 4x/week.
LOVE that type of B12. I also love the cocktails -- I have malabsorption syndrome, so I feel like a new person (literally) when I'm infused. Ahhhhhh . . . .
Going to hold off on the herbs, I think. The last thing I need is a herx rxn. Ick.
Did you know that you can order a Klinghardt Nosode directly from them without a script? Found that out from TrueSun.com -- where I ordered the PE-1. (Just a little FYI)
Going to finish my "strong cup of coffee" (minus the Bio honey that I REALLY miss -- just the regular stuff here) and get MOVING!! I have muscles that have atrophied for YEARS.
Take care you guys!!
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OK, mailbox cleaned up a bit.
beths, will PM you his contact info.
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beths, your mailbox is full.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: The benefit of using blood (this is for everyone not just got'em) is that you don't have to know what infections you have. The blood mops up all of them.
Oh geez, I must've missed something.
What blood? My own blood?
Thank you so much, Six , for explaining this.
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Oh...more questions. I hope I'm not driving you guys nuts.
~Where do you get the nosodes? And are these nosodes the real deal or just energized in vials?
~Does the PE-1 address mold? I don't know if I have it, but suspect I do.
My apologies if I appear ignorant. I am just very sick and trying to function with a couple brain cells. It stinks having to try to learn and figure stuff out when you feel like poop. You would never guess I passed the national board certification exam for teaching a while back. I feel dumber than a box of rocks sometimes. Posts: 1142 | From South | Registered: Dec 2010
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Was any of this insurance coveted? I assume not. Welcome back, god bless.
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lyme in Putnam, No it wasn't. Thank you.
Hambone, You're not driving me nuts at all! I had the same questions not too long ago. No worries!
Nosodes are little glass vials containing, in this case bacteria, that you use to send a message to your body to attack what is in them. When using the Bionic to treat lyme disease, you tape these nosodes to your solar plexes (below sternum).
Six, that's a great explanation of how the body uses them!
Dr. W. had us buy our own Borrelia nosodes at a pharmacy he uses near his office.
However, he could not supply me with the 2 live nosodes when I left, so I am using blood in place of them.
Even if the few drops of blood I put in the vial is not infected, they carry the message of all the blood in the body, so it will be able to pass this message on to the cells during treatment.
In his treatment guide, he writes,
"The treatment of Lyme disease is a purposeful treatment. By applying the Borrelia nosodes, including Borrelia afzelii and Borrelia burgdorferi, a decisive load of the cybernetic system takes place. The cell is now subject to negative loading, measurable energetic information and defends itself against this influence. By simultaneous treatment with the photon therapy the cell gets the possibility to eliminate the Borrelia agent from within. This leads to a measurable immune reaction. This can be observed and confirmed by the reaction in the LTT- and the serological test (IgG and, occasionally IgM).
Equipment: 1. Bionic 880 2. Borrelia nosodes (1 ml. Borrelia-burgdorferi-nosodes dilutation in the potency stages D5, D6, D8, D10, D12, D15, D30, D60, D100, D200 each) 3. the Borrelia afzelii agent 4. the Borrelia burgdorferi agent
Precondition for treatment success is the application of the Borrelia material (2+3+4) on the solar plexus, or otherwise a purposeful reaction cannot take place.
Please note that each patient has her/his own nosodes/original material, which are delivered to her/him after treatment. Do not use nosodes/original material of other patients for the treatment. If there should be no nosodes/original material on command use autologous blood instead. The use of autologous blood for the treatment of Lyme disease can lead to unexpected reactions, which may require a medical intervention (i.e., always test before use!)."
Note: I know that if the borrelia nosodes can be supplied with the Bionic 880 upon purchase.
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Congratulations 17Hens and Gotemall great to read of your success with the 880
Selma is still unable to post on Lymenet but posted this at "[email protected]", I am posting here per her reequest
abby
Selma's post: "Check the thread BIONIC TREATMENT WAS GREAT!
Got'em all is using the PE1. Does he post here?
People keep asking if the PE1 will regulate hormones. As far as I know, the PE1 does very similar to the Bionic and it can be used for such a variety of purposes... Hormones would be just one thing.
The main difference is on some frequencies and the potency, as the PE1 seems to be MUCH stronger than the Bionic. Don't read 'stronger = better'. Stronger is merely, stronger! I can't say better or not as I have not tried the Bionic, since the PE1 worked well!
I used if for burned skin: it is the most efficient thing I ever experienced.
For stopping cramps: it stops a cramp IMMEDIATELY, like magic.
For muscular pains: helps a lot, but treatment takes longer than for cramps.
For getting energy: sometimes it helps a lot too.
For headaches, for toothaches, for back aches, for rheumatism, diarrhea, for helping to move the lymph, for candida in the intestine, skin candida or any type of candida, for most types of viruses (colds or anything else)...
I even used it for metal detox, with very strong reactions sometimes.
For acupuncture: (which can literally regulate most things in a body).
So, whatever people ask about the PE1, it can be used for a variety of things, including the borrelia therapy.
I also, of course, use it to help detoxing with the detox homeopathic liquids.
What is wonderful with photons, is that once you apply to main 'trigger points' or main meridian points, you'll get things flowing inside your body (whatever it is: your own immune system reaches where it didn't reach before, food reaches where it didn't, cleansing reaches where it didn't, remedies reaches where it didn't).
That alone is a wonderful thing in itself!
If someone can post that in lymenet, I would be grateful. Thanks!
Please say CONGRATULATIONS TO 17 HENS!!!! Her experience confirms my thoughts about the Bionic / PE1: it is the FASTEST anti-borrelial treatment ever on the surface of this planet.
I have not heard of anything as fast, from first hand experiences like we keep doing in lymenet or here!
For the ones with hypercoagulation, check on Rechtsregulat, so far the best enzyme therapy I encountered. If you think Rechts is expensive, just think twice: you can redilute it 10 times and get even a stronger effect than undiluted. I bought one bottle for the last 2.5 years, that is still unfinished. I use Rechts everyday, me and my daughter.
Have a nice day, everyone!"
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17 hens, I see you made your own vial using your blood......how much blood are you using and can you tell me where you got your vial.....
Healing prayers, abby
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Here's an interesting question: Are the wavelengths of the Bionic 880 and the PE-1 present in sunlight? If we expose our bodies to enough sunlight, are we getting the same photons as we would be getting in those machines?
I'm just wondering if the majority of us might have a problem with compromised immune systems because we (Americans in general) don't have as much sun exposure as we should, and those machines are giving us the photons that we should've been getting from sunlight.
It seems far-fetched, and I would guess that this wasn't the case, but I'm curious to hear peoples' responses.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Please note that each patient has her/his own nosodes/original material, which are delivered to her/him after treatment. Do not use nosodes/original material of other patients for the treatment. If there should be no nosodes/original material on command use autologous blood instead.
Ok.
I'm about 75% there with the understanding. The above quote confuses me still.
So, did the doctor in Germany give each of you your OWN nosodes? How did he know what to give you?
I noticed on one of those websites that you can purchase nosode kits. I saw one that had 275 nosodes. Would that be the way to go if I am going to do this myself at home? I have no idea how many infections I have.
Is there a place that explains this that I need to be reading?
I'm going to do it. Just need to be sure I completely understand what I'm doing so i can do it right.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979: Here's an interesting question: Are the wavelengths of the Bionic 880 and the PE-1 present in sunlight? If we expose our bodies to enough sunlight, are we getting the same photons as we would be getting in those machines?
I can attest that I have been very faithful for making sure I get at least 15-20 minutes a day of sun exposure. I live in Florida.
The sun exposure has helped me keep up with vitamin D, but I still feel awful.
That being said, my CD-57 level was in the upper 400's. My natural killer cells are in overdrive. Wonder if it's from the sun?
Good question, though, James. Because if the sun does the same thing, then PE-1 will not work for me because the sun has not helped me feel better at all.
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quote:Originally posted by Hambone: Oh geez, I must've missed something.
What blood? My own blood?
Thank you so much, Six , for explaining this.
Yes, after treating Lyme you use your blood to treat the other infections.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979:
I'm just wondering if the majority of us might have a problem with compromised immune systems because we (Americans in general) don't have as much sun exposure as we should, and those machines are giving us the photons that we should've been getting from sunlight.
Thanks!
Yes. But it's not isolated in the sun, so you'd probably get burned trying to get enough. Just a thought, not something I've been told. I DO try to get natural sunlight as much as I can.
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quote:Originally posted by Hambone:
So, did the doctor in Germany give each of you your OWN nosodes? How did he know what to give you?
All the nosodes he gives are the same. Each person has their own set because information is transferred back to the nosode, and no, I don't understand that part either, all I know is two people can't use the same nosodes.
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quote:Originally posted by Hambone: Because if the sun does the same thing, then PE-1 will not work for me because the sun has not helped me feel better at all.
Me either, back when I was sick. I get sun now to keep the vitamin D up, and who knows what other benefits it has that we don't understand.
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This sounds fantastic! Im so happy to hear you're getting well. Can I ask, how much does treatment like this cost? Are these same treatments available in the U.S.? - If so, where?
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Ozone is done in the US.. here in AZ I know of a ton of places and doctors. IN other states I know of some too..
Here is a link that you can actually search who does Ozone in your area. But also if you look for wellness clinics such as cancer integrative clinics they have them and just overall wellness clinics and many of those clinics treat lyme disease.
That is how I found Envita and after that I found about 10 other places just in Phoenix who does this integrative type IV treatments including OZone and many others for various diseases.
This list is NOT Complete. Look up places by doing searches for Integrative Cancer treatment centers or wellness Treatment Centers and such
On the list in AZ I know of many others and than on this list. It also is called UVB and other names sometimes because they not only put OZONE in your blood before putting it back into you they run it under UVB lights to kill off infections.
I have done a lot of these treatments and they are great if your dong other intensive protocols but do not expect a ton from it if you use it as a stand alone. Not with lyme anyway. i have heard many people gotten much better from other ailments using just the treatment though.
pamoisondelune
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Why are killing herbs not allowed during PE-1 treatment?
I am doing PE-1, but my treatment is muddled, because i still take killer herbs such as Andrographis, GSE, Raintree Amazon A-P, and also i alternate with Rife treaments.
It's muddled because i don't really believe the theory, i'm just trying to do something that works. I don't know the theory and have no holistic doctor. I'm not very sick at all, and all the treatments work. I still get a few symptoms and still have to treat them in my bumbling way.
I just imagined that the PE-1 would give the energy to fight, and the killer herbs would be some extra weapons.
So, why not?
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17hens
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I think i can find the explanation as to how the photon works in the body, vs sun rays, regulate hormones, etc. in all the literature I was given with the Bionic.
Right now I have to run out but I'll post again hopefully this evening or tomorrow.
Stay tuned!
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pamoisondelune - I can see why you wouldn't combine treatments of the infrared light with drugs or herbs, even. The light works on an energetic basis. It seems counter-productive to try to do too many things at once.
This is just my experoence in using the LightWorks. I didn't use the Bionic or PE1. I think my experiments didn't work with he LightWorks because I had a parasite problem. I had no idea at the time.
I think you have to get rid of parasites first. I don't know about babesia or how that works with the Bionic treatments.
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I got the borrelia nosodes in Germany. Melinda at TrueSun told me that you can order -- without a prescription -- the Klinghardt nosode directly from them. I don't know ANYTHING about that -- Six would be the one who would know the most.
As far as I know, ALL Photon treatment addresses mold as well. Goodness knows I have had to detox from that more than anything recently. It had completely covered up ACTIVE Lyme and co-infections.
I know that the ozone infusion therapy is the MOST and BEST course of treatment for mold. Apart from that, I am banking on the PE-1, the photon treatment, to kill the devils. I am also going to do a particular nasal spray. I used to do nasal "douches" (for lack of a better word) with purified water and probiotics.
I also forgot to put in my posts: after the first two ozone infusions, (this is so gross), mold came out of every orifice of my body. It was DISGUSTING.
There is a company here in Louisville who produces ozone machines -- so that you can have it in your air -- somewhat "under the table". I am going to have one made for me. The mold does NOT like the ozone. The herx rxn is pret-ty tough. It sure gets rid of it, though.
I have some other thoughts about how to infuse, but my LLMD is rather leery of trying it -- staying under the radar isn't easy if you have a patient for whom you are ordering certain things!
So far, none of this has been covered by insurancce. I have asked for a prescription for the PE-1 in the hope that it will be covered under our Flexible Spending Account. It will be closely scrutinized, I am sure.
As an aside: I have had Lyme Awareness (Silicone band) bracelets made. They have a "double entendre" and I do not mean to offend anyone. They are Lime green, they are debossed with an awareness ribbon in the front, the statement "Lyme Disease Bites", and a tick behind the statement. The girl at the company where I ordered them actually pulled up a picture of a TICK because I said that it couldn't be just any bug! If you would like one, two, five -- whatever -- please PM me with your name and address. They are free. I just want to get the word out that this is one BAD disease and it needs to be recognized.
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P.S.: Spring Showers: Thank you for the "heads up" about the ozone infusion. It was FANTASTIC. It's good to know that there are places in the U.S. where it is available.
Just heaved a huge sigh of relief. Thank you.
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: Why are killing herbs not allowed during PE-1 treatment?
Because in their testing of the treatment they found that if people were killing the bugs the treatment didn't work as well. The body's own immune system will do the killing .... it's not the bionic nor the nosodes that do the killing.
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Oh wow!
My LLMD DOES do Ozone Therapy! I wasn't crazy after all.
He has it on his website and this is what it says:
OZONE AUTOHEMOTHERAPY Autohemotherapy is the most common, and in most cases the most effective way ozone is administered. The patient sits in a chair and has from 6-12 ounces of blood removed into a sterilized bottle. Ozone is then injected into the bottle, and the bottle is gently shaken, allowing the red and white blood cells to take up the ozone. The ozonated blood is then returned to the body. The entire procedure takes about 30-40 minutes.
Now, I have to ask.
I am very sick and it takes me a few hours to get to him. Do these treatments make you feel bad?
So, if I get a PE-1 and then see about my LLMD doing Ozone therapy....would it be almost like traveling to Germany...but not?
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Because I was literally fully mold toxic -- with very little time left to live if I didn't get the treatment, the first treatment gave me a herx rxn that was pretty awful. The only way I can describe it is that I felt as though I was completely frozen from the inside out. I could NOT get warm. It was an awful feeling.
The next day I WAS ON TOP OF THE WORLD! I was walking better, had more energy, and just felt better in general. I was shocked.
The second treatment, I had something of the same rxn, but not nearly as severe. Again, I woke up the next morning feeling better than I have felt in years. I had the Bionic treatment with the "new" machine while I was there, too, but I am FULLY convinced -- just because of the mold toxicity -- that it was the ozone infusion.
If a doctor would let me? I would do it four times a week! It made me feel THAT good.
Personally, my husband has to drive me to my LLMD who is 14 hours away from here. If my LLMD was only a few hours away, I'd go as much as he'd let me!!
In my opinion -- and only my opinion -- if you got the PE-1, but made SURE that you de-toxed afterward (Six is the BEST about knowing how to detox) then had Ozone therapy, it would be very similar to the treatment I received in Germany.
I am fortunate that my home health pharmacy bills each component of the Meyer's Cocktail individually -- that way my insurance covers all but the Glutathione. That is $40 a dose. I'm going to turn THAT in (I had to get it from the compounding pharmacy here) to see if they will cover it, because I have a prescription for it and the prescription drug plan we have doesn't do compounding. We'll see . . .
Hambone: If you don't mind, can you please tell me where you are located. I would love to see if I am anywhere near your LLMD. Mine would refer me for Ozone infusion in a HEARTBEAT.
As it is, I'm going to go to Connecticut to have my amalgams replaced . . . I'm just a formerly-driving, traveling gal!!
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quote:Originally posted by Got'emall: Hambone: If you don't mind, can you please tell me where you are located. I would love to see if I am anywhere near your LLMD. Mine would refer me for Ozone infusion in a HEARTBEAT.
As it is, I'm going to go to Connecticut to have my amalgams replaced . . . I'm just a formerly-driving, traveling gal!!
Thank you so much!
I am in Florida. I was shocked to see that my LLMD had Ozone Therapy listed as a treatment on his website. He never mentioned it. Wonder why.
Now...
I am about to order the PE-1 in about 5 minutes.
What are the very best nosodes I should get, and where do I get them?
I am certain I have far more issues than Lyme, even though I have tested negative on all co infections. So I want the best and as many as I can get my hands on.
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What is the difference between a rife machine like the GB4000 and the PE-1???
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This a great thread. Wonderful and encouraging. Glad you are doing so well and Ham, I cant wait to hear how you do.
I went to Spain for treatment last month and also had ozone. My reaction to it was undetectable. I wanted to mention though that one day they couldn't draw my blood so they gave me the ozone thru the rectum. I know, gross, but they said it is nearly as effective as putting it in the blood. I've also heard you can take it orally (I think just by ozonating water and drinking it). You can do this easily at home. You just have to buy the machine. Anyway, I wanted to throw that out there as a possible way to get the ozone that is helping you so much.
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Hens, I'm ecstatic that you had learned and experienced so much in Germany -- not to mention feeling soooo much better in the process!
Ozone is just one method for cleaning blood. I suspect the Gerson protocol would do that as well. There is healer I've never seen but I believe as something to offer.
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Tammy N.
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My dear friend Hens, this was a pleasure to read!!!! (I had quite a bit of catching up to do!). I cannot tell you how happy I am for you!!! Other than our few, brief emails back and forth, sorry I haven't been able to connect sooner to get the whole story.... I've been very busy on my end (I'll share more another time).... but you are in my prayers every day.
The Bionic treatment has been on my list of considerations for some time now. I'm working on some of the foundational stuff first, and am being treated out of Dr. K's clinic in WA, so I know I'm in good hands. Plus I'm doing AI. I didn't realize the Bionic treated mold as well (which is a new diagnosis for me.... another BIG piece of my puzzle). And now I'm even more interested in the Bionic since it works on that as well. Excellent.
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Ahhh...this is wunderbarer...okay, cheated and looked up the German translation Posts: 1512 | From Glenwood City WI | Registered: Jul 2005
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