canefan17
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So blood and nosodes are 2 different treatment methods.
I wish someone would do a YouTube video on photon therapy.
Something where us newbs could make sense of all the nosode and blood talk.
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No, they're really the same. You use the Lyme nosodes when you first treat so you're only treating Lyme. Once the Lyme is treated, you use blood to treat all the rest.
I've also used it with homeopathics .... whatever homeopathic I feel I want to take, I can use with it. ie, I used Chemtox and Metox with it. I also used a bug bite remedy.
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AMomWithHope, I think you can get in quickly. You don't have to muscle test. I didn't actually learn until later, but it is easy to learn and helpful.
By the time you leave, you know how to use the bionic. It's easy.
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I tried doing the Desseret mycoplasma remedy series with the LightWorks. I think it was helpful but I'm not sure if my Asyra reading was accurate that I really needed it.
I think you can do all the same things with the LightWorks as you do with the more expensive devices. It might be different timings, though. It's good if you can dowse it or use a bobber/biotensor.
I haven't messed around with it much after finding out about the parasites. I'm still going through getting rid of them first. It would be worthwhile to try the LightWorks with this technique if you can't afford the other devices. You have to be willing to experiment.
Some people feel that the LightWorks isn't strong enough but I don't think it matters. You just have to adjust the amount of time that you expose your points to the light. The Nogier frequencies are alittle different than the Bionic ones.
You can dowse it to see which ones you should use. That's what I did. It may actually be safer than the PE1 or Bionic... It's not hard to overdo it & then you are fried. Some people have gotten ill from overuse.
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Here's a post from Selma: -----------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Selma To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 4:27:58 AM Subject: [bionic880-PE1] Chelation with PE1 and thougths about Allergie Immun
As will all chelation methods, each method reach points that others don't. At least, that is how I feel.
The PE1 is no different. I keep trying new chelation methods everytime I can, some I react a lot, some less, but I feel most are beneficial if you know how to drag the toxins out of the body (with whatever binders you have).
I do feel the infrared reaches areas that only ingestion of substances don't. That is why I could still chelate with the PE1 even years after being on different chelators and binders. There was still heavy metals flushing out, even after so many years...
That could be the downside though for very toxic people. IF you kill too much plus chelate at the same time, it could be hell on earth.
But if you had done chelation before for at least 6 months or 12 months, I guess it's okay to start with the massive killing that the nosodes and infrared do.
As for the Allergie Immun drops, they also cause 'chelation' and I wonder what would be the interaction when we use Dr. W's protocol altogether...
It could be also overwhelming?
My husband is on AI for some time, but had the WORST allergic reaction now. He doesn't really take binders. While I feel the number of allergies he got diminished, I do feel that lack of binders could cause some trouble, as he could redistribute these toxins...
He didn't go into anaphylatic shock, but had I not treated him with autonosodes from his saliva and the food that caused such allergic 'shock', I wonder....
His neck was doubled, his eyelid close, his mouth got so big his upper lips were almost touching his nose, his breathing started to be compromised etc...
My daughter is also on AI, but she complains of burning mouth with certain foods. Her insect bite allergy is MUCH better though.
Anyway, just some thoughts. Has anyone here been on AI too to share some thoughts??
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I own both the lightworks and the bionic and in my opinion will say the bionic is much stronger and works better on bartnella and borrelia than lightworks.
That being said, I do use my lightworks machine quite a bit--for muscle problems, tendonitis, when I had toe surgery so I did not have to use antibiotic cream etc.
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I did AI before the bionic and inbetween my rounds of using the bionic and then did some more AI. I totally regret it. I wish I had not done AI or had waited until the borrelia was totally killed. I feel the borrelia is gone now.
I believe my mistake was thinking the salt/C protocol and Dr. Natura cleanse had killed all of the parasites and that I would not have much to chelate out of the body. I have been releasing metals for a full year after I stopped the bionic---very tiring.
Now I am going after the parasites, but cannot do a massive kill-off or my tired body will not be able to handle the toxin/fungi/viral/bacteria release.
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Hiker, interesting about the AI. I did three rounds pretty much back-to-back, but have not felt ready for the fourth round even a month later. I do feel like my body is going through changes and don't feel that I'm ready for it yet. I believe I'm working through fungi that I haven't been able to let go of until now.
So, I am in agreement with you about AI. Go very slowly. I do think it does something. But, I don't want to get caught up in having my body releasing too much at once. If you know anything about iridology, my eyes show I am still holding toxins, but it's improved substantially with AI. Until I feel the fungi release has stopped, I won't do the next round. One thing at a time.
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I think you are being wise, Six! Especially since AI is supposed to continue working in the body even after it is stopped. Most people in Europe do only 3-5 rounds.
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I can see why. I know these toxins need to come out, but slowly. It's a lot of work for the body .... makes you tired.
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"So blood and nosodes are 2 different treatment methods.
I wish someone would do a YouTube video on photon therapy.
Something where us newbs could make sense of all the nosode and blood talk."
I too would like something more to help make sense of this. My brain is really foggy and I feel like I'm jumping in on a post with a lot of history. Where could I go for beginning information?
Thanks
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Yes, a video would be pretty awesome! I'm surprised nobody has ever made one yet.
If anyone finds a link, please post it here.
It's just impossible to visualize because of all the strange concepts.
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I'm going to put something on YouTube today so stay tuned. I'll add the link as soon as it's on.
I'm just going to show Borrelia nosodes and blood nosodes and how I put them on my son when he treats, so you can get an idea.
I didn't understand it either until I saw/did it myself, so I totally understand the confusion.
I'm a visual learner so "show me" and poof, I've got it!
I am pretty proud of myself though! Me, not being a coffee drinker, just got a french press to make coffee for coffee enemas. No one was around to show me how to use the french press, so I actually FOLLOWED THE DIRECTIONS on the paper and did it myself (Hand shake!! Back slap!!)
-- edited to make clear "no one was around to show me how to use the" french press, NOT the coffee enema!!! I figured the enema out on my own too but HADN'T been wishing for a demonstration.
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Bob, I have some questions for you! (or anyone else who never went to Germany for treatment and has only used the PE-1 to self-treat.)
Friends of mine are trying to decide between getting the PE-1 and the Bionic and have asked me a million questions which I'm trying to find answers for. How you don't mind.
1. Did you start treating Borrelia and then moved on to coinfections or did you do it another way?
2. Did you use Borrelia nosodes at all? If so, which ones did you use and was it necessary to use blood (or other) with them?
I'm asking this question because Dr. W. told me that even though I had borrelia nosodes from the pharmacy, that I would need to use either live borrelia nosodes with them (but he couldn't tell me how to get them) or make blood nosodes to use with them.
So I'm wondering if someone buys borrelia nosodes over here to use, like from Deseret, will they work alone or does a blood nosode need to be used with it?
3. What frequencies does the PE-1 have and which is used to treat lyme?
4. When you buy the PE-1, do you get a paper or something that explains what the various frequencies are used for?
5. Do you get a list of things the machine will treat and instructions how to treat each one (like I did with the Bionic)?
I know there's a link online of videos that explain how to use the PE-1 but these people are older (non technical) and have been sick a long time. They don't think they can sit and watch a video and understand what to do. I have encouraged them to try it but I don't think they will.
6. I know this varies for everyone but can you tell me how long it took you to feel a marked improvement?
This man just lost his practice (psychiatrist) and is heartbroken. I feel well enough to work since I've been back from Germany, but he's wondering how long it might take to get to that place if he would treat himself. He's not well enough to take a trip to Germany.
Thank you very much, Bob, (or whomever)!!!
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Thanks Hens. I'm a visual leaner too. I look forward to seeing how it works.
High five to you for the coffee enemas. I did garlic colonics, talk about a good burn. But then developed an allergy to garlic because of leaky gut. Oh well.
Thanks for all the info in this post.
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Since they're very similar lights, except that the PE1 has more wavelengths, I would say the treatment is the same. I don't know what time or strength to use, but you would still use nosodes.
I would probably try using the Lyme nosodes alone at first to see what the reaction is before adding the blood nosode. With Dr. W we had the benefit of the detox iv's.
If he decides on a Bionic, I know someone trying to sell one (not me).
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Six, could you PM or email me the seller's contact info? I know enough people with their antennas up right now... do you know what the asking price is too?
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I am interested in how the appointment to see the doctor is made and what happens next after the appt. is made (airline and hotel reservations, etc.).
Is the amount quoted, I think it was $3500 for treatment, paid in US dollars or EUROS? Are the doctor's fees paid by credit card?
Could someone PM me with the doctor's name and the city he practices in? I have a cousin who is stationed in Germany that might help me out if she's anywhere near the doc's office.
Prayers to help us get well!
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ladyjenie--Sent you a pm with name and phone numbers of doctor and guest house. You need to stay in a place while being treated that does not have wireless and most places do, but this guesthouse does not. And the owner of the guest house is wonderful. You have to cook for yourself or you can eat at the rehab center just down the street for a meal or two a day. I usualy ate one meal there at a very reasonable price.
You may use a credit card to pay the doctor--his fee varies depening on the number of treatments, whether you need ozone or not etc. My treatment was around 2,000 euros for 8 photon treatments, three of them included ozone (I stayed longer than most people) and several lengthy conferences with the doctor.
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Hens -- I'm a little busy at work, but I'll get back to you over the weekend.
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17 Hens, I sent her a message on Facebook asking her for either her email address or her screen name here. I'll get back to you. I know NY John was wanting to sell his, too, since he's better. I don't know the price for either.
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FYI - this may be a bit oblique but some may be interested...
The Smallest Mind Scientists use light to make worms start, stop and lay eggs
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Sparkle, I am afraid to read this! I want to use the light to KILL the worms, not to encourage them to start laying eggs!!! Will it never end??!!! (Cough,Choke,Gurgle,Gasp!)
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Yes - this is why I say that the infrared light is no good if you haven't gotten the parasites out. I think the herbs & diatomaceous earth are better for treating parasites. Also, babesia is a parasite... just to keep in mind.
Everyone may have different experiences but I know I had a hard time with this even though I used the LightWorks - not the stronger devices.
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Yes - this is why I say that the infrared light is no good if you haven't gotten the parasites out.
I'm not sure about that. The bionic certainly helped me and I still have parasites hanging on.
After reading the article I will use extreme caution if I try treating the parasites with the Bionic, but I was still able to get better from Bionic treatment even though I had parasites.
I appreciate the info, Sparkle. I'll keep it in mind, for sure. I do NOT want to stir up a parasite party!
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It probably depends on the type of parasite. There are many in different forms. I know Selma said she didn't think it was good to use the light for babesia.
In my case, it was harsh on me & I had no idea why - since I didn't know I had parasites until much later. I think I may have been dealing with threadworms & hidden lungworm. It may be different for other types of parasites.
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Sixgoofy used the bionic for her babesia and it helped. But she can better address that than I.
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I kept treating with blood. I drank tonic water (either Fever Tree or Q Tonic) that has quinine that also kills babs .... but it's low dose. There's no way to know if I eventually just got healthy enough that my immune system killed it off, or if it was the Bionic therapy.
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Hello everyone. I would like to know what's the easiest way to create a blood nosode. I'm a male so I wonder what's the best way to draw blood to create the nosode. I do not have easy access to a local clinic that would do that for me.
What about the idea of using my saliva and urine for nosode? That would certainly be a lot easier for me!
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Lymic,
I don't think saliva or urine would carry messages of what all is in your body like a blood cell does. I could be wrong but I don't think it would work.
Diabetics draw drops of blood daily so I knew if I looked around I could find something useful.
I ended up at Costco pharmacy and bought a lancing device with 100 refills for about $30. Made by OneTouch, called Delica, for whatever that's worth.
I bought little glass vials online. Just happened upon these. http://www.discountvials.com/category-s/318.htm Not the greatest as they're kinda big but I was thinking a wide mouth would be helpful.
We just prick the sides of fingers and get 3-4 drops in a vial. If you have trouble drawing blood, shake your arm and hold your hand in hot water for 5 minutes. When I say "milk your finger" to the kids, I get major eye rolls, but it works.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: I'm going to put something on YouTube today so stay tuned. I'll add the link as soon as it's on.
I'm just going to show Borrelia nosodes and blood nosodes and how I put them on my son when he treats, so you can get an idea.
Sorry, a little late... hey, it takes time to make professional film footage!!
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17hens - awesome!! Thanks a lot!! A 10-star video!
The bionic looks like such a small machine... I'm surprised its so expensive! I wonder if they're just making a ton of money off of those machines.
It's very difficult for me to comprehend that taping those bottles to the sternum makes such a big difference. I'm not doubting the procedure, it just seems so foreign and exotic.
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Selma did use saliva nosode to treat her husband's anaphylactic shock (see her most recent post above).
I've asked Selma what she did with the saliva to make it into a nosode--- just straight, or dilute and succuss? No reply yet.
So you use the blood neat, not diluted and succussed?
17Hens, thanks for the info that we really need!
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17hens, you tape all the nosodes on? You don't muscle test for which strengths are needed?
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James,
I asked about the cost of the machine and was told the following which made sense to me.
(excuse my imperfect German translation...)
1. Science costs money. And quality does too.
2. The Bionic has an 8 year development of lyme treatment which cost much money. It shows the success of the treatment and for so many other illnesses too.
3. The Bionic 880 is approved as a medical system in Germany (equivalent to our FDA approval). This approval cost EUR 60,000.
4. The Bionic regulates hormones and that is very important for lyme treatment.
5. The Bionic treatment of LD has a success rate of over 90%.
For me, getting the German quality, the proven research and the treatment plans for 82 illnesses are worth the price.
And yet it's still cheaper then the last year of LD treatment for my family has cost us.
For me, it was like buying the Mercedes of photon light machines.
But living here, in PA (the hotspot of LD!), I will get my money's worth from this Mercedes in no time!
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: So you use the blood neat, not diluted and succussed?
Polly, Dr. W. never mentioned diluting or anything to me. He just said 3-4 drops of blood in a vial will work. I'm a newbie at this too so I'm just following directions!
quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: 17hens, you tape all the nosodes on? You don't muscle test for which strengths are needed?
oxygenbabe, I do not yet trust myself at muscle testing. I'll get there.
I'm doing it just like they did it at Dr. W's office, taping them all on.
Dr. W. had these boxes of nosodes waiting at the pharmacy for me to treat my family with. I'm just following his directions, getting my feet wet, and it seems to be working fine.
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Does anyone have contact information for this machine and the doctors who use it?? I have access to a doctor with a photon machine but we have no idea how to use it for lyme...
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I PMed you, marine.
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Wow - great youtube video! I'm sure it will help alot of people.
In general, auto nosodes can be made from other body fluids. I believe they are succussed. It seems easier to use the blood nosode straight. I think the succussing creates a medicine with a different energetic purpose.
If Dr. W uses it straight - seems like a good thing. I guess you pay for the research & development of the Bionic. Other devices can be used from what I could tell.
I heard about someone who prevented getting their foot amputated because of diabetes by using a red laser pointer from Staples & colloidal silver...
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To give an idea of pricing, my avian vet has a similar light that he paid $14,000 for. He uses it for all kinds of things and considers it to be miraculous in what it does. He has friends who come over to use it for various ailments, but he didn't realize it could be used for immunity, too. I explained how. Funny how vets are opent to this stuff.
Anyway, it is a medical device, and expensive. The vet has two or three lights, and one of his he found worth paying even more for than the Bionic.
BTW, I tried using saliva for viruses (like the flu, etc.). Dr. W also said you could use a dirty tissue for treating a cold/flu/bronchitis. But for these bacterial infections, you need the blood.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens:
quote:Originally posted by 17hens: I'm going to put something on YouTube today so stay tuned. I'll add the link as soon as it's on.
I'm just going to show Borrelia nosodes and blood nosodes and how I put them on my son when he treats, so you can get an idea.
Sorry, a little late... hey, it takes time to make professional film footage!!
Did you start out at 5 minutes for each point your very first time? Or do you start out lower and build up?
Mine should be here at the end of next week.
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We started out at 100% power and 5 min each point. However, when I talked to Dr. W about treating my daughter at home without the detox iv's, he said to start at 25% power, but for the same time, then work up.
Same when starting to treat with blood, start at 25% power and work up.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: We started out at 100% power and 5 min each point. However, when I talked to Dr. W about treating my daughter at home without the detox iv's, he said to start at 25% power, but for the same time, then work up.
Same when starting to treat with blood, start at 25% power and work up.
Thanks. That's what I will do ( 25% power ).
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Good idea. Better safe than sorry.
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6GK--is your daughter getting the same great results as you did without going to Germany and without the IV detox/ozone therapy?
What are you using with her for detox?
I would be using this with my dd so am most curious about the use with children/teenagers.
While I would love to go to Germany--money is very tight, and we will need to spend the next year saving up (which means another year of her possibly being in pain)--so if this can in fact be done here at home sooner versus waiting to save up $$$, that would be ideal.
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My daughter treated a couple years ago. She was in remission at the time. She had to be careful to get enough sleep and eat right or her symptoms would return, but she was off meds and on herbs only.
The Bionic made it so her remission was more solid. Now she doesn't have symptoms return at all.
We used parsley, burbur, lemon water for detox. I also used coffee enemas.
I didn't take her to Germany because she was in remission so I figured she could wait to be treated. If I were you, I certainly wouldn't want to wait a year. I would want to try it at home.
BTW, I did not have ozone therapy in Germany.
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aMomWithHope,
I'm treating my 15 year old daughter with the Bionic right now. She's doing castor oil liver packs, mini flushes, bile duct flushes, coffee enemas as detox. She's not had any problems so far.
The most expensive part of this detox is the organic lemons for the flushes!
I will say that my daughter and I treated 4 times with blood nosodes made from blood from our fingers and one time (yesterday) with blood nosodes made from our menstrual blood.
After the finger blood treatments, neither of us felt anything really. We kept up our detox so I'm sure that helped.
Then yesterday we did the menstrual blood nosode - phew, what a difference!
After her Bionic treatment she did a coffee enema and a mini flush and she feels fine.
I have done only Burbur (no time for coffee enema yet) and I feel like a truck hit me.
I think I'll put a pot of coffee on...
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