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Tammy, giant hugs to you. Yes, we'll talk soon.
Bob, thank you! For the good info too!
Quick question to ALL, I know of some who have treated in Germany, then come back and treated with PE-1. But is there anyone here who has treated only with PE-1, all on their own, and is making good headway? (Other than Selma, of course )
I plan to be back tomorrow with the promised info. (explanation as to how the photon works in the body, vs sun rays, regulate hormones, etc.)
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Tammy N. -- the mold was a HUGE piece of the puzzle for me. We knew that from the outset, though. My mycoplasma antibodies were 1,455 when I was first tested in 2008. A strong positive was 320.
Our house had Stachybotrys Ch., Aspergillis and Penicillium -- we had to leave it and abandon pretty much everything.
We moved into a house that we were doing a "lease to own". The builder was a con man -- and used a sub-standard plumber. We had it sampled by a microbiologist and it had three times the amount that would make a "normal healthy individual" symptomatic. It was Aspergillis and Penicillium.
The apartment we then moved into has black, wet mold. They will only fix a small portion of one beam, even though the pipe from the upstairs unit has been leaking through for evidently a very long time. It was THAT that was putting the final nails in my coffin. Literally.
While I am still "banking" on the PE-1 to take care of the mold, I still want to continue with the ozone infusions. Those made a REMARKABLE difference in the color and consistency of my blood. It actually looks like blood again!
I am glad that you found another piece of the puzzle. I'm sorry that it is mold -- it is kind of a rotten thing to have. (no pun intended!)
Take care of you -- and please keep me updated on how you are doing.
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Congratulations, 17Hens! I am very happy for you that you have got so much out of your trip to Germany for Bionic 880 treatment and I wish you all the best for your continued treatment at home.
For facial spots/lumps, you could try making a masque using pure bentonite clay,pure/distilled water and [optional] a little of a pure oil like Extra Virgin Olive. Allow it to dry on your face for about 20 minutes before washing off.
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What awesome news! This thread actually brought me to tears. Congrats!
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Not just Selma Hens, you can add my name to the list of successfully using the PE1.
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I thought of this thread all night long, dreamed about it, etc....
Got-emall - I'm so happy for your amazing progress. How good does it feel to start getting your life back? Wow. Regarding the mold -- my house showed those same spores in the dust sampling (places you don't dust often, tops of door jambs, duct vents, etc.) but the air sample tests came out clear. We are very confused by this, and it makes it hard to decide what to keep and what to toss. Any thoughts you can share? (so we don't bring this thread off-topic, if you're willing, maybe you can send me a PM with your email address so we can communicate that way? If you'd rather not, no problem. No pressure.
Does anyone know how the bionic helps to correct hormones? With Lyme and Mold, mine are all over the place. Would be nice to understand how the Bionic corrects this.
Very happy about this thread!
Best to all, Tammy
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quote:Originally posted by sk8ter: What is the difference between a rife machine like the GB4000 and the PE-1???
They're actually not similar at all. Rife kills bacteria. The photons strengthen the body so the body does the work.
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It's interesting so many of us have had mold exposure. I did, too, but it wasn't the dangerous black mold. I had a hard time with it nonetheless. I never addressed it. I treated with the Bionic, did lots of detox, and never addressed the mold.
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I have hit a roadblock.
Can somebody tell me if there is a place that sells PE-1 who will take a credit card?
The ones I find will only take a check or Paypal.
Why why why must everything be soooo difficult?
I am running on fumes. So far today EVERYTHING I have attempted to do has been difficult and won't cooperate. I'm about 2 minutes away from a major meltdown...feel like death and have to deal with obstacle after obstacle .
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Hambone -- Maybe you know this and are just trying to avoid using paypal, but, paypal takes credit cards, so you could use paypal to have it charged to a credit card (if you're willing to go through the process with paypal). Sorry you're struggling, hope you can make it through this!
gotemail or whoever knows -- regarding this type of treatment for mold, would you say the photon therapy gets your body focusing on the mold, and then the ozone help with the detox/binding/removal aspect? What I'm getting at, is, what role does the photon therapy play and what role does the ozone therapy play, for those of us considering trying to do it with just one or the other?
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quote:Originally posted by MichaelTampa: Hambone -- Maybe you know this and are just trying to avoid using paypal, but, paypal takes credit cards, so you could use paypal to have it charged to a credit card (if you're willing to go through the process with paypal). Sorry you're struggling, hope you can make it through this!
Thanks Michael. I didn't know that. My Paypal is set up to my debit card.
I'm just venting and in a tizzy today with snafu after snafu. My heart goes out to people who are so sick and have to figure things out themselves.
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quote:Originally posted by sk8ter: What is the difference between a rife machine like the GB4000 and the PE-1???
The rife is electrical charges, photon rays are light rays. The electrical charges kill the bacteria. The light rays feed the body energy and it is able to kill the bacteria on its own.
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: Not just Selma Hens, you can add my name to the list of successfully using the PE1.
Bob, did you use the PE-1 from the beginning? Never went to Germany and used the Bionic then came home and used the PE-1?
Someone here asked if they are so, so sick, could they get better treating on their own with the PE-1, so that is my train of thought when I ask this question.
To me, starting from the beginning with the PE-1 means no doctor guides you with initial treatment, your fuzzy head gets to figure it out on its own.
It means figuring out a detox that will work for you when you start out killing the initial strong infection, the lyme, and knowing how/when to use the detox so the treatment doesn't leave you sicker.
I'm not questioning that this is possible, only trying to find someone who experienced this themselves.
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TITLE: Biological and adjuvant therapy with photons
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Single cell organisms communicate with other cells - How???
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Cells in an organism communicate too, but much faster....at the speed of light!
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Cell communication -
* Cells communicate with each other by ways of photons, at the speed of light so to speak, to keep the metabolism functioning.
* Photons most likely "travel" through the organism along their photon highways - the meridians.
* Disturbance occurs when an organism is exposed to germs like bacteria, viruses, toxic agents, elecromagnetic fields (cell phones, e.g.) and with lack of nutrition.
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Disease in terms of light
* We can define disease as a disturbance of negative influence affecting the biophoton-balance within the cell and between the cells.
confirm and measure in the 1970s the existance of a weak photonradiation in living subjects such as plants, animals and humans.
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Biophotons/Photons
* Bios is old ancient greek and means "life"
* antibiotics = anti mean against, bios means life
* Biophotons (Prof. Popp) are the smallest entities of light - Lightquants - electromagnetic rays emitted by living cells.
* Biophotons are the same photons that are well known in physics.
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Photons in living organisms
* these elementary quants - the photons - function as the information carriersystem in each organism, they are responsible for all metabolic processes in humans, animals and plants.
* Photons are the carriers of electromagnetic power.
* Each cell has a measurable photonsystem.
* Measuring the amount of photons in food, makes it possible to define its quality.
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Photons in living organisms
* Living organisms emit "biophotons"
* Living organisms emit photons in a wide frequency-range. ("coloured light", Infrared-, Mikrowaves etc.)
* emitting of appr. 6000 to 9000 kcal as photons
* Food intake only makes appr. 2000-3000 kcal.
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Absorption of photons
* Penetration of photons into tissue depends on wavelength. Between 800 and 1200 nanometers penetration is deepest according to Russian scientists A.V.Tscherkassow 1986, V.I. Matwejew 1988, other scientists Joon 1987, Muller 1990, T. Oshiro 1988, etc.
* Skin absorbs 25-30% of radiation, muscles and bones 30-80% organs up to 100%. Wavelength of 880 nm penetrates into the lowest skin layers and deeper.
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"Processing" of photons
* Photoacceptors absorb the photons, eg. Hemoglobin, iron and copper containing enzymes of the cytochromesystem, almost all enzymes in Krebs-cycle, some pigments, and last but not least water.
*Molecular oxygen turns to single oxygen O2, which makes it biochemically active.
* Light energy is almost completely transformed into heat energy/calories, which changes behavior of membranes.
* => photophysical reaction, potassium and sodium start flowing, membrane channels open up, ionsleave the cells, trying to rebalance, unbound water leaves the cell and therefore rises energy level within the cell.
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Who Benefits
* organ cells
* Immune competent blood cells
* Tissue structures
* Fibroblasts
* leukocytes
* lymphocytes
* Immune globulins
* etc.
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Leading to:
* Raise in enzyme activity
* Raise of nerval transmission, activation of neuronmetabolism
* Raise of hormone activity
* Higher output of prostaglandines, beta-endorphines
* Raise of immune globulines i.e. immune activity
* Raise in microrcirculation
* Stimulation of reparation processes. Eg. Synthesis of protein and collagen
* Stimulation of physiological function in general
* Reactivation of SOD and Katalase
* etc.
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Summary
* Absorption of photons
* Primary photochemical or photophysical reactions
* Membrane transmission and raise in cellular energy
* Production of physiologically active bindings in tissue
* Starting of neurohumoral reactions and adaptive processes
* Developing photobiological effects and longterm adaption
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Mitochondria are Bacteria
* Mitochondria have their own DNA
* 1,500 to 6,000 or more mitochondria per cell
* Mitochondria produce 70 - 1,000 kilograms (!!!) of ATP per day
* Antibiotics dramatically and irreversibly affect mitochondria, therefore lower energy production.
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Photons close the gap
* In chronic illness there are gaps in the transmission of electrons in the respiratory chain.
* Transmission is depending on wavelength of yellow light.
* Photons at a wavelength of 880 Hz applied topically are being "broken down" and close the gap in step 4 of the respiratory chain (see chart).
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Treatment with the Bionic 880 (picture of Bionic 880)
* There are NO side effects in photon therapy * There are healing reactions though * Disease with a tendency of bleeding eg. Colitis are a contra-indication * Pacemaker, epilepsy, pregnancy are conditions, that are contra-indicated, because of lack of study results
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: 17 Hens, there wasn't much talk about the Bionic regulating hormones when I went over there. I still have to take 1 grain of Armour thyroid per day. Do you know how to treat that?
Six, I would try by using 80Hz or 2.47Hz at 10 points for 3+ treatments and see what happens. Dr. W. says you can test the fequencies energetically.
Do you have the paper where all 82 ailments and their treatments are listed? If not, I could scan them and email you with an attachment. Just a thought.
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Hens -- I never did the bionic. I started with the PE1 about a year or two ago without supervision. I started with desseret bilogical bacterial nosodes but quickly used my own blood instead then stopped the nosodes altogether and just used the unit itself.
I wanted to give the PE1 a try first before spending many thousands of dollars going to a Dr. in Germany.
A plan might be: get a PE1 and go to the Dr. like the one in my prior post. Who specializes in cleaning the blood or using homeopathics or isopathics to strengthen healing of the body.
The PE1 or the bionic is essentially simple, you just have to purchase it. But with a physician who thinks outside the traditional box, you might have a good start to a treatment protocol without spending 13,000 dollars or more going to germany.
PE1 : 1600 dollars + a Dr. to clean out the blood, my guess, less then going to germany.
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Any success using the PE-1 for Bartonella?
I'm a fellow rifer and actually find borrelia to be the easiest to eradicate. Bartonella is on another level though.
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: Any success using the PE-1 for Bartonella?
I'm a fellow rifer and actually find borrelia to be the easiest to eradicate. Bartonella is on another level though.
SixGoofy said she used the Bionic to get rid of her co infections. Can't remember if it was Babs or Bart or both. Hopefully she will chime in again.
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I own a PE-1. I first read about this photon therapy in Connie Strashim's book called "Insights Into Lyme Treatment" which has interviews with a dozen doctors, one of them is Dr. W.
I've also used a bionic before, and the PE-1 seems to have the same effect to me, but that is only based on unofficial personal observation. So far I've found the photon treatments to be VERY useful.
Here's the problem I've run into, though - there is so much finesse and guessing required. For example, I've accumulated over $1000 of nosodes from various places, and sometimes you also have to dilute the nosodes to make them stronger. I really suggest everyone join Selma's Yahoo! group listed above, it is very helpful and she is the genius of this treatment in my opinion. Anyway back to the problem with this therapy... it works REALLY well sometimes and other times does nothing. For example, I have done treatments with photons and had huge herxheimer reactions, then felt way better. But later when I do the treatment again, sometimes it does NOTHING.
So what I'm trying to say is it seems hit or miss. It sometimes knocks the crap out of the infections but other times seems to do nothing. So right now until either I learn to use it more effectively or someone else tells me how to, I view it as a sort of wild rodeo ride - excuse the analogy - where I can't totally rely on it as a mainstay of treatment but at the same time once in a while it seems to be vastly impressive and useful.
Also, I would say it has definitely been worth buying the materials. The nice thing about photoning nosodes is you don't have to re-buy them since you aren't running out by consuming them orally. And the PE-1 machine is a bit expensive (I think I paid $1000) but once you own it, no more costs. So I think I have around $2000 invested but that investment has lasted me a couple years, whereas $2000 of antibiotics, once you swallow them, are gone, no more value, can't re-use them. Make sense?
Anyway, I think this treatment is kind of like a sniper gun instead of a shot gun. If you can figure out how to get it aimed properly, its a massively fatal kill to the lyme, but if you miss, its a complete miss. The one person who seems to know a TON about aiming is Selma on the Yahoo! group. I've never posted there, but I read the posts religiously and find a ton of good suggestions. Warning, though: if you go back through the archives, you'll read a ton of info from Selma and it may get a bit overwhelming, she has so much wisdom, and this treatment really IS a paradigm shift and you sort of have to retrain your mind do to think this way.
And one final thought: personally, and this is again just my own layperson opinion, I would never spend the dough to go to Germany. For my $2000 investment I can basically self-treat from home and while I may be missing out on the wisdom and strong nosodes in Germany, it is saving me, what, $15,000 to go to Germany and buy an $8000 bionic? Something like that. I can't afford that. And if I COULD afford that, I would much rather pay down debt or just use that money for other Lyme treatments. I think self treating at home the cheap way has been very rewarding.
In fact I was SOOO depressed when I first heard about the bionic treatment because I knew I couldn't afford it. When I found the PE-1 and realized I could afford it, and now own one, I was so overjoyed that I could do this treatment.
Any way, for whatever its worth!
OH - PS - You can get lots of nosodes for various infecitions in various places. For example Bart nosodes from Deseret, Bb from Deseret, and also try forrest health where they have lots of nosodes. I am also considering buying nosodes from Lumenergetics where there is a massive selection.
Disclaimer; I'm just a patient, I don't know how much of the above is accurate - just my experiences! :-)
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: I started with desseret bilogical bacterial nosodes but quickly used my own blood instead then stopped the nosodes altogether and just used the unit itself.
Lymie,
The Deseret Biologicals nosodes...
are they energetic nosodes?
I am VERY confused about what nosodes to get. Lumenergetics has a Lyme and Co infections kit with 75 different organisms/pathogens for $225...but they are energetic.
Do these work just as well? Or are ALL nosodes energetic?
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This is an excellent thread! Thanks a lot, hens, for the information. Also thanks to everyone else who contributed.
The one thing I'm confused about is the use of nosodes. What would happen if someone tried to use photon therapy without the nosodes? Would it be ineffective? Why are the nosodes required? What is the significance of the solar plexus?
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I hear what you guys are saying, Bob and Dan, that it's possible to do it from home and to do it while saving money.
But to me, going to a doctor who knows how to test to see what/how/when treatment is needed
and who has 8 years experience creating a protocol that is 90+% effective,
so it's NOT hit or miss,
was worth it to me. That alone saved time and money.
In less than 2 months, I've reached an amazing level of health. I'm glad I dont' have to wait 1.5 or 2 years to feel this good.
I know not everyone can afford the treatment or the machine, but for those who can, I think it's worth it.
And "afford it" might mean selling a car or a boat or some furniture or hubby picking up a second job or whatever it takes.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
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James, when using the Bionic for 81 of the 82 things on the list, no nosodes are needed. Only when you need to send a message to the cells that says "kill what's in here" do you need nosodes. So only for Lyme treatment, not for depression or burns or balancing harmoney and increasing physical health or anything else.
The light rays give energy to the cells. It was explained to me by comparing my cells to a ow car battery. If the battery works fine, recharging it isn't going to do anything, but if the battery is low, you feed it energy by recharging it and then it can work on its own.
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quote:Originally posted by Hambone:
SixGoofy said she used the Bionic to get rid of her co infections. Can't remember if it was Babs or Bart or both. Hopefully she will chime in again. [/QUOTE]
She cleared both.
And I will be able to clear all my coinfections and viruses too - Bart, Babs, Ehrlichia, Epstein Bar, Herpes Simplex
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Six, I would try by using 80Hz or 2.47Hz at 10 points for 3+ treatments and see what happens. Dr. W. says you can test the fequencies energetically.
Do you have the paper where all 82 ailments and their treatments are listed? If not, I could scan them and email you with an attachment. Just a thought.
I have a booklet I got when I bought the Bionic. I'll look there and if I don't have it, I'll get back to you. Thanks.
You don't have 11.77 on your list. Does it mention what that frequency does?
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quote:Originally posted by Hambone: SixGoofy said she used the Bionic to get rid of her co infections. Can't remember if it was Babs or Bart or both. Hopefully she will chime in again.
I got rid of babs and bartonella. It did take more time to get rid of the coinfections than it took to get rid of the Lyme.
Dan, I didn't buy a bunch of nosodes, I just used my blood to cover the other infections to avoid having to buy all those other nosodes and guessing what I needed.
The Deseret Biologicals are not energetic. When I was looking, those were the only ones I found that are not.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: [QUOTE] You don't have 11.77 on your list. Does it mention what that frequency does?
Thanks, I missed it. I added it to the post.
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Hen's, both Dan and I didn't want to spend the money and were willing to experiment. Experimentation isn't without risks. So going for the sure thing is just fine. The PE1 is in my mind riskier then going to Germany. You have to weigh risk and reward very soberly.
I learned a great deal on my journey as you did. In my situation i only had myself to worry about. The decision a bit different when there are a number of folks, like you and six have to worry about. So, don't ever question your decision. I certainly believe you made the right, even if it cost you more money.
Another reason in my case, I still had the ability to research different alternatives and be the guinea pig. I'm hoping some day it will help others.
Dan -- I absolutely agree with you about the PE1. I suppose we both had similar experiences. But, if you want to limit the risk, get the PE1 and find a doctor to do similar blood cleansing which is done in germany. If you make that decision, understand Germany is the safest approach, that is what they specialize in. One last point, I believe those who went to Germany got better faster.
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I am significantly improved, but have always thought that using something like this therapy could be what's needed to completely recover.
I just discovered that there's a doctor (specializing in integrative cancer therapy) that treats with what they call photoluminescence. They said they use your own blood to treat, specifically for bacteria. I wasn't able to find out what machine they used, but from what I could gleen, this is something they call UV light therapy.
Would going to a doctor or practitioner like this be worth consideration, or is it not useful without the expertise in lyme disease and all that is learned in Germany?
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Thanks, I missed it. I added it to the post.
Thanks. I didn't know if things had changed. That's the one I mainly used. I've also used 9.88 and 28. I felt that 28 was right for bartonella. It was such a strong frequency, when I used it, my husband had to leave the room, he could feel it 8 feet away.
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quote:Originally posted by baileypup: I just discovered that there's a doctor (specializing in integrative cancer therapy) that treats with what they call photoluminescence. They said they use your own blood to treat, specifically for bacteria. I wasn't able to find out what machine they used, but from what I could gleen, this is something they call UV light therapy.
Would going to a doctor or practitioner like this be worth consideration, or is it not useful without the expertise in lyme disease and all that is learned in Germany?
I'm thinking this is probably similar to the ozone. I believe this is where they expose your blood to UV radiation as talked about above. This is different than photon treatment. It might help with detox, viruses, mold, etc., but I don't think it's going to treat the Lyme.
I agree with Bob regarding choosing the PE1 vs the Bionic/Germany trip. I wanted to take the tested route.
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Bob and Six,
Yes, this is how I thought of it in my head...the decision between Bionic and PE-1.
Of course there is a question about the money - what can I afford?
but also a question about the research behind the treatment - what kind of person am I? am I comfortable with experimenting or not? can I afford to experiment or not?
I had 4 people to consider. I chose not to experiment.
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Did I mention that there is research showing the Bionic is helping children with autism?
Bionics 880s were sent to 24 autism centers in Bankok which were sponsored by the king of Thailand. I have a paper showing the results of the study.
If anyone is interested in more info on this, let me know. I'll copy some of the info I was given on it.
Also I was told that H. Buschk�hl GmbH (company of Bionic 880) will be at the Toronto ILADS conference in October.
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sparkle7
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A couple of years ago, I compared notes with Selma (Brussels here) & Bejoy here on Lymenet. I used the LightWorks since that was all I could afford.
Please be careful if you decide to self treat. People have gotten very ill from doing this self experimenting. I know many cannot afford to go to Germany & buy this equipment.
One person here who went to Germany had an appendicitis attack while in Germany doing this protocol. She ended up doing well after but severe reactions can occur. You can end up in the emergency room & they will have no clue how to treat you!
I am not against self-experimentation but you must be careful & be aware. Do not mix abx with this protocol!
I would advise anyone doing this to start with an anti-parasite protocol first. I had a severe reaction even with the LightWorks - which is no where near as strong as the PE1. Others have had severe reactions, too.
You must be prepared that extreme things can happen. It also helps if you know how to dowse or do some kind of energetic testing. Still, there can be blind spots.
This type of healing is no joke. Study it thoroughly!
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sixgoofykids
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For anyone doing this treatment on their own, remember, the BREAKS from treatment are just as important as the treatment itself. Don't treat every day. Take breaks, and make them true breaks, don't start herbs and other treatment modalities during the break, just do some light detox and let the body heal.
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lymeboy
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why are more people not doing this? How much does it cost? It actually sounds like something that would be good to do after - say - a year of antibiotics....
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quote:Originally posted by lymeboy: why are more people not doing this?
I've always wondered this. I've also always wondered why people tried so hard to prove it didn't work for me after I got back .... they started trying to prove I wasn't really sick when I went, etc. People may have sown enough doubt that others weren't willing to try it. Now that more than two years has passed since the first groups of us went, there seems to be a bit more interest.
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This is very cool. I have a PE1 and haven't used it yet.
By the way, my doctor in Atlanta has tried to encourage me to do the ozone. I've watched it being done on others. He knows I'm ultra cautious so he even said he'd only ozonate 5 cc of blood on me the first time--just ozonate it in a syringe.
I'm a bit of a scaredy cat about it though.
Got em all--can you PM your facebook name to me so I can friend you on there?
And also, if you live in a toxic mold house, can you get out? I sure hope so.
Great thread, all.
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Do you think you could use your blood to begin with? Or do you need to start out with the nosodes?
Unfortunately, I think the sicker you are, the harder you are likely to herx, no matter which treatment you choose. This is always the scary part for me.
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Six, I have found that people don't typically want to accept that you have Lyme. I get a lot of insinuations that Lyme is something that people milk for attention, or to get out of work. It really annoys the crap outta me. So I think I get what you're saying. I haven't found any bad research on this method. I don't completely understand it, so I will continue looking into it. Right now I am treating with antibiotics, But I think I would really like to try this when I hit my next plateau. COST?
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Jlp, no, you need to treat the Lyme first. The blood is way too strong if you haven't treated the Lyme.
Lymeboy, I'm talking about people here. I was raked over the coals when I got back and have been several times since on this board and in the Lyme community in general.
Cost depends on the route you go .... Bionic vs PE1 .... going to Germany vs trying on your own.
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oh.... sorry to hear that. I guess it sounds like kind of a "hippy dippy" thing. But it seems to be doing good things for a lot of people. I'd be willing to give it a shot. I would imagine it is a lot cheaper to do on your own.
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Yes, it does help many of those who try it. The PE1 is about $1600, the trip to Germany is a lot more.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Lymeboy, I'm talking about people here. I was raked over the coals when I got back and have been several times since on this board and in the Lyme community in general.
Why can't people just be happy for somebody who gets better?
I am well aware this may not work for me. But I'm a big girl and made my own decision to try it. I can't knock anything I don't try myself. And even if it doesn't work for me I won't knock it because obviously it helps some people just like antibiotics help some people.
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Six - it's outside of the paradigm, so people are skeptical. It doesn't work for everyone - so, people don't want to risk it. I think it can be beneficial. I didn't know I had parasites, though. I think you have to get rid of the parasites first.
I'm going to go back to it once I handle the parasite issue. I don't think it's a good idea to use infrared light if you have parasites. The same may be true of having mercury or babesia.
It's really a different paradigm of healing & alot of people aren't ready for it. I'm so glad it helped but it was kind of a rough ride going through the debates here.
It really shouldn't be about who can afford it, either. It's unfortunate that it has to be about money. I think you can get pretty far with it by even using the LightWorks.
I had a very severe reaction when I was experimenting with the LightWorks & I didn't know why. In retrospect, I think it was that I had parasites & didn't know it. This may not be everyone's issue but it was significant for me.
This is why I say to do a parasite cleanse for a while *first* if you think it may be an issue. I think Selma agrees with this, too. Infrared light & parasites do not mix well in my experience.
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Hens,
I am thrilled for you and thank God that the trip, the treatment, all went very well, and you are in a great place on your healing path!!!
Also, my head is reeling...in a very good way as I learned so much reading this thread. WOW! I look forward to reading more!
It seems I usually end up sharing something totally "off the wall" however it's what really "hit" me...so here goes.
You share, "A very important part of treatment that I think gets missed when people consider treating themselves from home (and I totally get that thinking) is the 3 weeks of wonderful living during treatment
The little village is deep in the black forest,
in a clearing on top of a mountain (think Blue Ridge).
The air was clean and clear.
The sun shined from 4:30am until 10pm.
There were walking and biking trails all around town, thru the woods, from one town to another...But best of all, there was NO stress!
It was wonderful, just wonderful. We cried when we left.
Seriously, I cried just reading about that beautiful healing place. I do believe there is a correlation between healing and our surroundings...more than we can probably even imagine.
Prayers that the good work the Lord started in your life...He will continue. He is the One that said "Let there be photons."
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Dear, dear daisy, now the tears are on my cheeks! Thank you for not just reading my words but for understanding them. God is so good!
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sixgoofykids
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Daisy, I knew it would be the answer for me, just the same as "Let there be light", there was also "Christ is the light" and we know he also healed many. It was significant to me in the religious perspective, though I seldom mention it, but to you, I do.
Sparkle, I did treat parasites for a long time prior to the photon treatment. I also had my amalgams out back in 1991. Got'em did have amalgams in place when she went over for treatment, and it helped her, so I don't think it's a strict rule, but for some, probably, and good point regarding parasites.
Anything new like this and outside the box will spark debate. I went over in 2008, so it's not as "new" of an idea now as it was then. It's had time to sink in, so the debate has calmed down.
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I cried when 17Hens left, too! It was such an amazing healing experience. Nothing like I have ever experienced before. After she left, the Gastehaus felt very "empty". I really MISSED her.
Hambone: I bought my machine from TrueSun.com -- or Lymehub.com Both sites are owned by the same people. I used my credit card, talked with them over the phone, arranged for it to be delivered to my mother's house vs. our moldy apartment -- it was fast and easy. They are also VERY generous with information regarding treatment and other machines that they have found to be helpful in their family's treatment.
Just a thought . . .
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Hambone
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quote:Originally posted by Got'emall: Hambone: I bought my machine from TrueSun.com -- or Lymehub.com Both sites are owned by the same people. I used my credit card, talked with them over the phone, arranged for it to be delivered to my mother's house vs. our moldy apartment -- it was fast and easy. They are also VERY generous with information regarding treatment and other machines that they have found to be helpful in their family's treatment.
Just a thought . . .
I was about to get it from Lymehub, until I saw they wanted over $400 just for shipping!
$1600 plus $400+ for shipping.
Lumenergetics had it for the same price and $27 shipping.
I faxed my order but never heard anything, though. Still waiting.
If Truesun is owned by the same people as Lymehub, I would guess the price would be the same?? But I will check that out.
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