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Just wondering if anyone else is having a very bad time? The new moon is the only thing I can put my finger on as to why.
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TNT.
What are you experiencing symptom wise? Are you doing enemas to release dead and dying toxins and parasites?
Everyone is at a different phase in healing and may not have the same experience. Are you on pharma meds or alternatives? Last question is, have you seen any parasites exit?
Gael
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Hi Gael,
I'm not doing any antiparasiticals at the moment. Doc wants me to do some type of low dose babs treatment, but have not started yet. And not sure if now is a safe time.
No coffee enemas for a couple weeks. Have been wanting to, but BM is looser again. No strange things in the bowl-just the usual sediment-y half formed mush. Oh, and my gas has smelled really funny, almost like sauerkraut since I took the lavender oil. But I seem to be extra sensitive in this way to what I put in me.
My appetite came back a little today, whereas it had been almost nonexistent. I don't know why. It never stays long though.
I did notice that it seems my breathing is more labored upon exertion since the full moon. Tonight in the oxygen chamber I had a noticeable difficulty getting a deep breath (you would think with the oxygen it would have been easier but it wasn't).
But slight breathing issues are normal now, especially when things "flare" like this. It always coincides with more pain in body-muscles, bones, face, hips; My joints start to click worse, and I feel like I'm in a compactor. And circulation gets worse. Coordination gets worse (particularly in my legs like walking).
It sure seems like babs or parasites. I just don't want to release anything else if I do a Rx babs med. But I should be covered somewhat-I'm on 250 mg Cipro 2x daily, 1/2 SS Bactrim 2x daily, and 150 mg Omnicef 2x daily. Need to test for heavy metals, but not sure if this will get done with this going on. I'm a bit scared about a DMSA challenge making things worse anyways.
Brain battery just died. It always does this to me when I try to sort, list, or figure it out. I would give you a rundown but my brain won't hold out, and it would be very long.
The only thing that has helped me lately is when I started the Cipro beginning of Dec.
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Yeap this New Moon on Jan 30th is suppose to be a big one.
glm1111, I'm here. I'm going to start from page one and take notes just like I told you in another thread.
Now I know why it is so overwhelming for those considering rife to go to that thread and try to decide where to go and what to do. I get it!!!!
I will find a way to incorporate my rife machine into helping with this process. Let the deworming begin.
Do I start with a vet?
Pam
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Hi Everyone, I don't post much. I'm sick a great deal and only post things that I feel are important.
I have recently been hitting parasites very hard. I ended up in the hospital four times since the end of September. My lungs felt as if they were crushing and I was having a very hard time breathing. They put me on IV Rocephin and IV Zithro for an extended period. In the past, these helped. Not his time. I have had elevated Eosinophils in the past and other evidence of parasites.
I took Ivermectin with no benefit. Then I took Albendazole and had LARGE parasites exit along with many large hard yellow eggs after a time. I also have filarial worms exiting. FOR ANYONE who hasn't watch Hulda Clark's video on youtube on how to identify parasites in a toilet, it was SOOO helpful. I would have never been able to identify the filarial worms without it.
I KNOW I have at least two types of parasites but I believe I have more. Here is the Bad news. According to CDC and others you cannot kill the adult filarial worms. The medicine is more to make you not contagious. That is the beauty of Salt/C and why I believe GLM111 is an angel here. Even Hulda seems stumped in the video by this parasite some even though she discusses it in her book she is NOT so positive or hopeful on the video.
I really think SALT/C consistently is the one chance we have. I am using the Pharmas with a mass exodus BUT my lungs are still in crisis and I am still suffering greatly. I am using everything I can tolerate. The Albenza had helped in two weeks and then I had stopped. I will not be stopping again for awhile. I guess you can stay on it for up to 6 months. I am using Salt/C scale up at the same time.
For years I treated Lyme and not parasties. It was a mistake FOR ME. I never believed it nor did a DR ever tell me until Dr. K. Now I know and just wonder if I will win the battle.
Doctors are REALLY ignorant here. I literally have samples in bottles and pictures to take to regular Dr. with me because of ignorance.
Also, look for rashes. I had worms come to the skin. Pretty sick.
I hope this helps at least one person. And thanks GLM111. You keep me going more than you can ever know.
God Bless, Truesun
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Right on Truesun! Gael, Tammy and a few others convinced me that the parasite issue was real as well. Gael IS truly an angel (Tammy too).
Good for you for pushing forward and treating. IMO, it took me a lifetime to acquire them, and it will take some time to make a dent. I'm with you on the salt/c. I feel much better when I take it.
Keep up the good work, and thank you for inspiring us tonight! We need it so close to the full moon (parasites reproducing). :)
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Trusun,
Your welcome for any help I have been able to give you. Just passing it on from my research and what I have learned personally. Salt/c and antparasiic herbs have saved me life. Coconut water is also helpful when doing salt/c because it helps balance electrolytes.
If the herxing gets too hard, back down until it stops and then resume. Salt/c and antiparasitic herbs saved my life. According to Hulda Clark, cloves kilss the eggs. I use Hanna Kroeger and buy it from Vitacost.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Gael
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Also want to thank Catgirl for all of the valuable info you add here to help others in this difficult journey. Thanks for your help. We need all that we can get.
Gael
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I ordered the clove capsules already and really believe, after reading many, many things, that this is a necessary components. I Literally had thousands of eggs pass. I have pictures and one of these days I will make a blog or something. I might work on that while I am laid up. Much of this is hard to believe until you actually see it.
I know many people don't realize what they are looking at or don't want to look for them. I get that but I have come so far I have specimen in jars, etc. I already have the Salt/C plus book. I read it over and over again because of the brain fog.
I am also drinking Apple Cider Vinegar several times a day - the good kind. Also throwing in caster oil once in a while.
I am not overdoing it and I am listening to my body as the book says but I am going to rotate and get at them from every route. I think that is what it takes. They seem to have incredible survival ability.
One last thing for now. Since treating, I already have had a virus flair up from the past. Dr. K talks about this. That parasites harbor and release bacteria and viruses. The salt/C I'm taking doesn't seem to be handling the virus probably because I am just now building up. Just keep this in mind if you are going to try this. Old things to seem to pop up when you go after these monsters.
Truesun
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Thanks for the info on adult filarial worms. An experiment that I did last year with good results. (I saw it posted here and I believe another article). Zithromax (macroglide) + Albenza + Paragone + Colonics for 2-5 days. Five times cycles. I had extreme brain clearness that lasted for a while. Brain has cleared and most of my other symptoms doing anti-parasitics and anti-malarials with heparin. Plus rotating herbs like crypto and art.
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I'm new to the thread and haven't done any parasite treating yet (just not sure if I have them yet). I have a question which I hope isn't too much info
Does anybody know if there is any significance in seeing lots of tiny dark spots/flecks in your stool or on the toilet paper?
thanks---d
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Hi dmarie724, I am not one of the experts here but if you look up Dr. Hulda Clark's video on youtube.com title -roughly- how to identify parasites in your toilet she actually shows you the different parasites. There are four parts. In one she shows the tiny dark spots/flecks and says they are young liver flukes which means you have adult liver flukes in there. Please find the video and please talk to your Dr. I take collections of mine in clear jars and take them to the Drs. with me so there is no doubts and reservations about how to treat. I am too sick to be embarrassed or to care.
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Mine are SO small it looks like pepper...does that sound right? That's the best way I can describe it...
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dark spots/flecks that look like pepper would be the young liver flukes Truesun is describing.
Gael
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Gael, I have a question for you. Did you know that you had filarial worms? If yes how did diagnose? I know I have them and I am scared. Went to primary today and he refilled scripts and kind of wished me luck. I have been reading and it says you don't get rid of adults. It can take six years for them to die and you are really only treating to kill young.
My lungs are still crushing me and I'm a little freaked out. We r comboing the ivermectin and albendazole and I am doing the Salt/C Did four doses today, I may start five tomorrow.
Do you mind repeating how long it took your lungs to relieve? Reading about filarial worms freaked me out, sorry. I tried to go through prior posts, way to many.
Truesun
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My doctor wants me to do a parasite stool sample this week.
Would it be best to do it the night before a full moon or does it not matter?
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Trueson,
I was taking strong herbs for the other coinfections and Lyme that contained a lot of wormwood for six mos.
It wasn't until I started the salt/c that I had a mass exodus of parasites. Along with everything pictured on www.lymephotos.com, I also had very large roundworms(20") exit and they were the adults.
The salt/c should kill the adults and have for me, Can't remember exactly when the wheezing and tightness in my chest left, but it def eased up and left when the worms started leaving.
Four times a day of salt/c along with the pharma meds you are taking might be too much. How much salt/c are you taking in total per day?
Gael
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canefan,
doing it the night before a full moon when they are active would be a good idea. I only did one stool test and it was negative even tho I was loaded with parasites.
In all fairness, my doctor wanted me to repeat it 2 more times, but I didn't. Forgot to add, that I was already seeing worms exiting. Might be a good idea for you to do a total of three tests.
I forget, did you ever try salt/c?
Gael
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I am using 4 grams of Salt and 4 grams of C. One gram of each every time. Honestly, if my chest would let up I wouldn't be feeling that bad. I am having a mass exodus with tons of those sesame seeds. Its the filaria worms I am most concerned about. I guess they have found no meds to kill them and Hulda Clark says in her video she found no way to kill the adults. The adults live six years. I hope the salt can penetrate them.
Do you remember what level of salt/C you got to before you saw results? The goal for me is to not have to take the meds and be able to use just salt/C but my chest is to bad to make the transition right now. I was hoping to get to a high enough level that I felt I could drop the meds.
Thanks Truesun
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Truesun,
The salt/c and antiparasitic herbs killed all of the adults and Filarial worms for me. I worked up to 20gms p/day in divided doses of 5mg 4x a day which is very high.
You are already experiencing a mass dieoff, so not sure what else you expect at this point. It can take several yrs to get rid of these types of parasite infections.
Some folks alternate between salt/c and antiparasitic herbs and pharma meds. Salt/c alone was not enough for me. PLEASE ramp up slowly with the salt/c and don't rush it.
Getting rid of these parasites is a step by step process, kinda like peeling and onion. If your chest is that tight, it could be a herx and if it were me, I would take a break and let that symptom calm down.
You are making progress from what you are reporting, so try and relax, and maybe do some warm water enemas to release some of the dead and dying toxins and parasites from the lower colon. Could help with the chest tightness as well. Hope this helps,
Gael
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Ya I feel like getting tested is a waste of my time.
Hard to blame my LLMD though - he's not a parasitologist. He just needs some burden of proof if he were going to treat me for anything.
How many of you have taken Ivermectin?
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Also - anytime I take Wormwood combo (wormwood, black walnut, cloves, etc)... I always start grinding my teeth/clinching my teeth & my OCD increases. I get real fidgety and can't stop moving.
I think this is part of why I stopped treating parasites. I felt it was irritating my CNS more than it was helping it.
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canefan,
the teeth grinding/clenching of teeth and getting fidgety are MAJOR symptoms of a parasite infection. I have had them all including escalating ocd and add. Believe this could be a herx for you.
Sounds like you were really hitting these suckers and they were reacting to the poison. You might want to reconsider the antiparasiyic herbs and adding low dose salt/c to the mix to get them to exit along with warm water enemas.
Always felt by what you were reporting that you had a parasite infection. Key is to go slow if you get that uncomfortable.
Gael
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Gael you felt that canefan's symtom picture was more parasites than bart? interesting.
I just started Humaworm, 2 capsules one day, today 3....felt tongue twitchy (new) and increased neuropathy over scalp and teeth etc. I feel a little short of breath but nothing major, and some anxiety, but I am also taking Septra and Zith which hit bart.
I think Humaworm has wormwood in it, is that the same as artemesinin?
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I just started parasite drugs. Any advice for die off or what kind of side effects can I expect. Tomorrow I start ivermectin and pyrantel - can't remember the rest of the name of it. It's the 5 drug protocol of dr k's. I'm nervous about the high dose especially of ivermectin - 48 mg a day and I'm under 100 pounds.
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Hi everyone, I have nearly finished wading through this thread and am at present partway through a course of Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo, with one extra clove capsule per day.
In the past I have taken Vitaklenz (years ago) and Humaworm (no longer ship internationally), courses of Dr Clark's Store oil of oregano, Clarkia.
For my general treatment, I am on Cowden Support programme (over a year on it) and supportive supplements, probiotics, ACS200 silver in small quantities every other day and alternate between zeolite (Cowden's or ACZnano) and Biopure's Metalsweep (formerly Microsilica). I am also using the iMRS mat for eight minutes every other night. Some of the Cowden herbs and other supplements such as Pycnogenol also have anti-parasite qualities.
So far this is rather a punishing schedule and I have been in a pretty poor way, but then, I was in a poor way before I embarked on the iMRS to help me to detox, and the latest parasite and metal chelation attempts. I just needed to change my approach. I remember that one person with Lyme always had at the end of his/her post these words of wisdom:
'If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got.'
I am looking forward to joining in here, thanks.
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I also wanted to post a link to a lyme and parasite-friendly bread recipe that I have recently been making:
The recipe says buckwheat or brown rice flour, but the original that I follow was the same quantity of quinoa flakes. I use whole quinoa because I can't get the flakes at the moment. I do put the whole quinoa in the blender (it doesn't alter it much!). I also add a little more water to the recipe because of using whole quinoa. This is a pretty low carb bread, without eggs, gluten, dairy, yeast, sugar or other allergens.
After you mix up the dry stuff and have left it to soak, the mixture looks very unpromising, but the finished result is rather yummy, i think.
For parasites, there are loads of pumpkin seeds in this loaf, as well as some flax and psyllium to help cleanse you whilst you are treating.
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Ames, some people do well on that dose, and some people need a lower dose (me). You will find your dose after you try it. As far as die off, I sometimes feel sick (putrid) when they are dying (after a few days on the meds). Remember to take binders away from everything. Also, coffee enemas really help to get the toxins and worms out of your body.
Ukcarry, awesome you are treating! Coffee enemas will help you feel better (great for detoxing--cleans the toxins out).
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I'll be taking an ABX break in a few weeks to do another two rounds of Coartem. I have a second package of Parastroy I have been holding off taking since on a Rif/doxy/Plaquenil protocol since last fall. My first Parastroy package went OK last October with no noticeable difference.
Does anyone have any comments on taking Parastroy and Coartem together. My LLMD is cautious about taking any other ABX while on Coartem. Of course I'll be taking my normal supps and probiotics thru the two rounds of 5 days ON, 7 days OFF pulses.
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Cat girl, thank you:) I started with one 12 mg pill this morning and figure I will work up slowly over the course of a few days. I' already have a headache and am tired from one pill. Getting to 4 a day may be difficult. Need to try the coffee enemas- just a little afraid of them because of my pelvic floor issues.
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Folks a Humaworm question... I am be owning very constipated on this stuff which is odd since it has senna in it. What do people do with this?
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I'm starting to realize and understand finally that I most likely do have parasites because of symptoms and everyone being so helpful giving me info.
Something happened this morning (that I realize has happened a few other times) and I wanted to see if this, too, could be caused by parasites. It seems so strange.
While I was laying in bed, I literally started feeling the sensation of the bed shaking (sort of subtle). Or maybe it felt like my body was sort of moving. Different from the typical inner-vibrations.
Has anyone felt this before? Parasites again?
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CD57,
Are you doing the cleanse that Humaworm suggests to take with Humaworm? Also, make sure you are drinking plenty of water when taking herbs. A warm water enema could be very helpful in releasing dead and dying toxins from the lower colon.
Salt/c was very helpful with keeping things moving and also parasites were leaving quicker. They can't stand the salt. The combo of the salt/c and herbs packs a bigger punch.
Gael
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P.S.
Artemesia has many different strains.
Artemesia Annua is an antimalarial, probably prescribed for babesia.
Artemesia Absinthum is usually the strain used in antiparasitic herbs.
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gmb,
Not sure about taking Parastroy with Coartem. I would check with your doc. On another note, one round of antiparasitics whether herbs or pharmas, is not nearly enough and tx has to be consistent. It can take several yrs to get rid of parasites.
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Thanks, Catgirl. I must say that I have been reading about coffee enemas for quite some time now, but have not yet plucked up the courage to try!
I have also considered colonics for years and would probably have given it a go if there was a local practitioner .
One thing that has always concerned me a bit was the suitability of enemas and colonics if you have a leaky gut.....does anyone know?
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Gael,
Thanks for input. I know one round of Parastroy is not enough. That's why I purchase two kits the first time I tried it last Oct. I had little to no reaction to the first 21 day course, and yes I did include Salt/C at same time. I have been on Salt/C pretty much all year at (1)tsp 2x/day.
I have no serious parasite SX, just want to cover all bases in my overall co-infection treatment plan, and see if this is what is holding back Tx progress. I know Coartem is a "dirty" drug with many cross-reactions, as is Rifampin, so timing of my next dose needs serious consideration and risk/reward analysis.
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Question again: Humaworm says not to take probiotics while taking Humaworm. However, I am on abx with it and need to take probiotics. How do people handle that?
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I missed that. Not sure why they say that unless the herbs kill the probiotics. I drank lots of kefir and ate yogurt with extra probiotics when taking herbs and still do.
Didn't interfere with killing the parasites, but I was also doing salt/c. I would stay on the probiotics if you are on abx. I always took probiotics with kefir and yogurt to make sure they got past the stomach acid.
Gael
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Ukcarry, I don't tolerate colonics very well (leaky gut) but the coffee enemas are no problem for me. I feel much better when I do them (worth it!).
CD57, I take probitics whenever I use humaworm--not at the same time though (no issues).
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Thanks for the encouragement, Catgirl.
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You're welcome. :)
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This is fascinating (How parasites manipulate us):
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Funnily enough, i spotted that this programme was on and watched it last night. It was interesting, though we never found out for sure whether the presenter had visible evidence that his self-implanted tapeworms (via cysts) had been successfully killed and eradicated.
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Wow. That was an interesting article Catgirl! Thanks for sharing. I must say, I can't imagine injecting myself with parasites for the sake of science!
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Thanks Catgirl! I believe it. They are much more intelligent than we realize. Dr.K. always said that they control our emotions.
If this guy new what we knew about the damage they cause, I think he would think twice about ingesting anymore eggs!!
Gael
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CD57
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Does anyone know what happened to Maya12?
Question re the parasite thinking in this, and the ILADs communities: can parasites actually BLOCK the other Lyme and co's treatments from being successful?
We treat me for 3 days for an infection (like bart), and seem to get some progress, and then it STOPs. I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, back in the thread. I need to get past this block.
On Humaworm, day 7. Other than clearing up of acne (YAY!) and one night of drenching sweats and a little burst of anxiety.....I have not seen any "activity".
My sx are encephalopathy/DP/DR, anxiety/wired/OCD, cycling teeth/jaw pain, eye pain, twtiching/crawling scalp and ears (my glasses actually move on my ears from the movement), hand tremors, drooling, stabbing pains in head, insomnia. I know parasites are likely not responsible for everything on here but probably blocking the other treatments from being effective.
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CD57 - Thanks for posting on how you are doing with the Humaworm - I am curious to see how you do with it. Side note - are you taking antibiotics too? I am on antibiotics and considering adding in Humaworm at some point.
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CD57
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yes I am on Zith and Septra.
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