CD57
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Update: Day 7 of Humaworm, now extreme irritability with voices and lights and bad thoughts. Just took CSM as I can't do enemas (don't have that kind of time to devote to myself).
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Can you get a colonic? You are def herxng and killing these suckers, but releasing the dead and dying toxins from the lower colon will help a lot.
Forgive me if I asked you this before, but can you do salt/c? Just a low dose 1/4tsp each for 2 days,made them let go and caused a mass exodus.
Drinking lots of water when taking herbs is also important. Getting rid of the parasites will help to tx the other infections because the parasites hold onto and protect the bacteria.
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CD57 - Sorry it seems to be making you feel so crummy. Sounds like it must be getting at some stuff. Also, thanks for getting back to me about if you were on antibiotics are not. I have humaworm on my to-do list but have been putting it off because I am on antibiotics and didn't know if people could combine them. Thanks for keeping us posted on your progress. :-)
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Good idea Gael as I am incredibly constipated. Ugh! I will see if I can get one.
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CD57,
May be a good idea to hold off on the herbs until you can get cleaned out. Same thing with other meds. Anything you take will just sit in the colon and make you more symptomatic.
If you are on any pain meds and keep taking them while constipated it can be dangerous. What about the salt/c? It can help with constipation.
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Sorry, I know this is a serious thread, but I couldn't resist, haha.
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Carol, thanks for the laugh. We all could use a little humor in our lives
CD57, there is something I ordered from Biopure (through Greenandhealthy.com - cheaper!) that really helps to keep me 'cleaned out' and it also gently chelates heavy metals. It is called METAL SWEEP. It was formerly called microsilica.
I love this stuff. I take only 1/3 of what is suggested and it is amazing. Makes me feel much better.
I sprinkle it on a large potato chip or cracker in between meals once a day. I do not take it as suggested by mixing with water. But I do drink plenty of water throughout the day.
I know it is expensive, but the amount you get will last you months if you take it in the smaller dose I use. It is really effective. I hope this helps.
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I Love humor and a good laugh. It has pulled me out of some dark places. BTW, Laughter is the best medicine since it stimulates the white blood cells and boosts the immune system.
Thanks for posting Carol!
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Cd 57 I would add sonething like grapefruit pectin or psyllium husk with water. Your symptons seem to be parasitic. Anti-malarials and anti-parasitics with heparin and herbs crypto rotate with art. good luck
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Mig what antimalarials and antiparasitics have you taken with good results? I have tried Ivermectin (nothing), Alinia (nope, or maybe?), Tindamax (worked great for awhile), and Mepron (pulsed MWF 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off).
So weird.
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Just a quick question. Does Salt/C treat Babesia? I have been pouring out parasites with no relief in my breathing. I think Babesia might be behind it. Please let me know if anyone has used it successfully for this or if I need to add something else.
Thanks Truesun
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The antiparasitic herbs plus Digestive enzymes (Super Digestaway by Soloray) helped me tremendously with breathing. It is suggested to take digestive enzymes even in between meals.(antiparasitic as well) Enzymes also helps kill mycoplasma.
I have seen other posters state that salt/c helped babs, but I would also add the herbs. Warm water enemas help.
Gael
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CD57 I did 7-8 montgs straight of snti-malarials. Zithromax and mrpron. Detox withb juices, infrared sauna, pemf, etc. Albenza + zithromax + paragone with colinics 2-5 day cycle. Ivermectin with same b recipe as above. Alina had moderatively good results. Clindamyacin +quinine is also good.
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hi everyone...so i know parasites can cause muscle twitching, but does anybody know how they cause it or why that happens?
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quote:Originally posted by dmarie725: hi everyone...so i know parasites can cause muscle twitching, but does anybody know how they cause it or why that happens?
I'm curious of this too, I get minor muscle twitching...and it comes and goes. I can have a good week with hardly no twitching, then a bad day where my eye twitches throughout the day.
I'm wondering if I should attack parasites. Can I do it while I'm on ABX? Is there an abx that goes after all parasites? Are there herbals I can buy from my local vitamin shoppe to get me going? How long do I treat?
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I get eye twitches a lit too, but I always linked them with metals.
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..what should I do first? Parasite detox or metal detox?
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The parasites carry metals in their coats, so you can take something like chlorella to take care of the metals while you are doing parasite tx.
Also take something for candida such as probiotics, kefir and coconut oil since candida and parasites go hand in hand. Parasite tx has to be continuous and is not just a 1 mos deal. Extra cloves kill the eggs.
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So does the twitching happen because of the metals the parasites carry? Or could it happen because they are creating magnesium deficiencies? My doctor told me to take regular Epsom salt baths to see if it helps with the twitching and it makes it less intense...doesn't stop it but reduces a little. So I wondered if maybe the parasites were creating deficiencies, which would cause twitching?
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What all does wormwood rid the body of in regards to parasites if I take that with my babs tx?
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It can't be related to magnesium deficiency for me because I take a wellabsorbed form of magnesium(mag. malate) twice daily.
The Hanna Kroeger combo seems to be doing a reasonable job at contolling candida. I have had to use the bathroom more since I have been on it, though haven't noticed obvious evidence of parasites (I know that many are microscopic anyway). I am using the HK capsules along with extra clove and when I complete 2 bottles of the Hanna K combination, I intend to keep the cloves and move onto Rascal, also by Hanna Kroeger. Will revisit the combination product after a gap to avoid using wormwood continuously for a long stretch.
The Hanna K doesn't seem to have affected my massive bloating and discomfort wearing a bra past midday: any ideas?
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From your post on Feb. 20. I wonder if we all have most of the parasites. Some have higher loads and some have lower loads. Some have very active infection, some don't. (higher active infection more bugs smell your sweet blood and bite you).
If we lower the load and boost the immune system and our immune system will keep these infections in check...just thinking
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Mlg, I agree.
As far as parasites manipulating us (link posted on Feb 20), I noticed several months ago that I didn't test well for anti parasitic stuff the week before the full moon (when they are most active). I think the bugs want to live and influence my energetic testing (just mazes me).
Their ability to affect us reminds me in some way of the movie, Avatar. There is a whole other universe going on inside us. And a whole other universe on the outside too (energy).
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Catgirl,
Parasites are MASTERS at survival. It's a matter of strategy and outsmarting them
Example: when they wander outside the digestive track, drinking milk or eating cheese (which they love)baits them back in and then you have to hit them with antiparasitcs and or salt/c to kill them.
They have been around for a long time and have learned how to survive when attacked. It IS amazing.
Gael
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I'm really becoming more and more interested in the topic of parasites as I learn more. From what I've learned, tons of people actually have parasites, even if they don't know it.
Why is it some people will develop actual physical symptoms and others won't at all and will never know??
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Dmarie, I already answered this (or a version thereof) for you in the pm you sent me. Maybe my answer wasn't what you are looking for?
Western medicine hasn't really embraced the subject of parasites, so no money is being spent on WHY some people develop physical symptoms, much less if people even have parasites.
Conventional medicine considers the possibility of humans contracting parasites (especially in the US) extremely rare (ridiculous). They think parasites are mostly in third world countries only. That's what medical professionals learned from their text books and mentors, so that is all they know. They are stuck in their old belief system. That and the lab tests are pitifully inaccurate.
Are you treating yet?
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Sorry, your answer was very helpful I just think you were explaining how traditional medicine is terrible at diagnosing or even accepting that this is common. I was just curious as to why say 2 people have parasites, one may develop symptoms and the other may not (since apparently most people have parasites, but not everyone develops symptoms).
Just trying to understand better. I have not started treating yet. I have my doctor follow up later this week to discuss what to do. He will have my test results (though those don't really matter since most likely they will be negative even if I'm positive). We will be discussing empirical treatment and what to do.
My test was through Metametrix. I've heard all testing is flawed, but that this lab is at least better than a traditional hospital lab?
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Bringing this thread up for the 184 guests here this evening to revue, in case anyone hasn't considered parasites as a problem in chronic Lyme.
Gael
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Is anyone using DE for parasites?
When is the best time to take it? With meals or away from meals?
At bedtime or during the night when the parasites are active?
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Dmarie, not sure why one person develops symptoms and one does not (we are all different). I hope you start treating soon.
MannaMe, It hits one celled parasites. It is a helpful tool in your arsenal to fight the battle. That said, I need more than this stuff. Parasite herbs & salt c combined work better on me (or parasite meds). DE is a good binder to take along with all of these things (but away from them).
I don't think it matters when you take it. I take it at least 2 hrs away from meds/supplements though.
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quote:Originally posted by ukcarry:
The Hanna K doesn't seem to have affected my massive bloating and discomfort wearing a bra past midday: any ideas?
I get this too (discomfort wearing a bra). I don't know what gets rid of it, but keep on treating.
Have you tried combining Hanna K (or any herbal product) with salt C yet? It made a difference for me as far as expelling parasites. The salt/c will help your adrenals and flush your system too.
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: Catgirl,
Parasites are MASTERS at survival. It's a matter of strategy and outsmarting them
Example: when they wander outside the digestive track, drinking milk or eating cheese (which they love)baits them back in and then you have to hit them with antiparasitcs and or salt/c to kill them.
They have been around for a long time and have learned how to survive when attacked. It IS amazing.
Gael
You are so right Gael! I've baited them in with cheese or something sweet before and the herbal products work much better whenever I do this.
It's truly incredible what parasites will do to survive (just like us, they dodge whatever is trying to kill them).
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Hi Catgirl, I am not confident enough about my blood pressure, which has been spiking.....otherwise, I would consider trying some Salt/C.....funnily enough the Lymestrategies site was one of the first I became a member of when i was finally diagnosed.
I have a reasonable amount of Himalayan salt on my food. How much Salt/C do you take?
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I've read the bra irritation is a fungus/yeast/mycotoxin thing. As could be the bloating.
I read the post in here, "The salt/C and the parasites keep pouring out of me."
Yes, me too.
I stopped when I started a bunch of new prescription meds. Partly as I was worried about the new meds, partly because I could not believe the amount of 'things' constantly, for three months, non stop in the toilet.
Gael brought to my attention that doxy kills larvae filarials, so I am back onto salt/C today to get the parent filarials.
Yuck.
They're tenacious devils.
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I understand (blood pressure).
Mine spikes sometimes too but sometimes it spikes even though I haven't taken any salt/c. I think in my case it's a POTS issue. Sometimes I take salt/c and it actually goes down.
I take anywhere from 1 to 4gms of each (salt and c) depending on if I'm on meds, and/or how many meds I'm on. The more stuff I'm on, the less I take (too much for the kidneys).
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UKcarry-I started to feel results with 1/2 tsp sea salt and 1/2 tsp of buffered vitamin C.
I really saw results (yuck!) at 1 tsp of each, daily
I made it into a sports drink and sipped it throughout the day. (Squirt of lime juice and some stevia drops)
Drank coconut water, and filtered plain water in between.
I made it up to 2 tsp of each, but really, I think I could have even stayed at 1 tsp of each as I saw things in the toilet at that dose.
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Thanks, Catgirl and GretaM. If I can keep the bp down, I may start a low dose.......i had a 24 hour bp cuff only a couple of week ago, so need to build up confidence again first!
Re bra discomfort, I have had it, to varying degrees, for a few years now, but it is particularly bad at the moment. Funnily enough, I didn't notice it as much when I was on antibiotics a few years ago, so maybe it isn't a yeast thing with me.......i do get some yeast issues, though .The HannaK wormwood seems to help yeast.
Tomorrow I will be moving on to Hanna K's Rascal (keeping the cloves)...... Does anyone else have experience of Rascal?
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Greta, that makes sense (fungus/yeast/mycotoxins).
That's amazing how many parasites you are eliminating (right on)! Most people don't even know they have them.
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Well, if I ate grains or twiggy things, I would assume they were undigested food bits, but I don't as I do not digest grains, seeds or legumes well.
So...
Yuck.
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Ukcarry, I've taken rascal and wormwood at the same time before (no issues), then binders in between to catch the toxins from the die off.
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I know it's gross, but out is better than in.
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When I have given the wormwood a little break, I intend to combine the two as well, Catgirl, then perhaps do two weeks of Dr Clark's oil of oregano, as I haven't touched that for a while.
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About the bra discomfort. I have literally had parasites exit from both breasts in the form of scabs. This didn't happen until several yrs into the herbs and salt/c. I did have rashes come out from under my breasts first.
These parasites are insidious and have invaded all of the organs, brain, tissue and cns. That's why it is important to STAY on antiparasitics for a long time and do maintenance as Hulda Clark says FOREVER!.
Some of these parasites (roundworms) lay 200,000 eggs a day. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again.
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That's interesting, Gael. I was wondering about parasites with this symptom.
I used to get a lot of scabs under the scalp at the back of my head, but no longer. Now I keep getting scabs amongst the eczema patches across the top of my back. They bleed briefly, scab over, occasionally disappear, then reappear. Unfortunately, it's a hard area to examine closely yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: About the bra discomfort. I have literally had parasites exit from both breasts in the form of scabs. This didn't happen until several yrs into the herbs and salt/c. I did have rashes come out from under my breasts first.
These parasites are insidious and have invaded all of the organs, brain, tissue and cns. That's why it is important to STAY on antiparasitics for a long time and do maintenance as Hulda Clark says FOREVER!. Gael
Wow, Gael, you made my jaw drop! it blows my mind what these things can do (thank you for posting this)! It is truly inspiring to me when you tell us that this didn't happen to you until several years into salt/c and herbs!
I'm sure it's too hard to for conventional medicine to fathom though. They are stuck on the evidence based medicine model (behind reality). It works for insurance companies, not most patients.
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Your Welcome Catgirl!
I am going to one up myself and tell you that I had three (3) decent sized fierce looking scabs emerge several mos ago where my boyfriend pulled a fully engorged tick off my arm in the late 70's. This is seven yrs after taking the herbs and salt/c everyday!. I was shocked to say the least!
It appears that the onion theory as in healing Lyme is like peeling all the layers of the infection back to it's origin is true.
Stay positive everyone and be persistent even when it gets a little rough. It will be worth it.
Hope this info helps with some insight for everyone.
Gael
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Goodness, Gael: that must have been a weird experience!
Did the boyfriend get ill from pulling the tick off you?
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He was bitten as bad as I was daily. He had a cabin in the woods, and back then no one knew about Lyme. I am sure he was infected at some point. He was always picking engorged ticks off of the dog. Nicest relationship and boyfriend I ever had, but turned out to be the deadliest.
Gael
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Hi guys...my MetaMetrix stool test for parasites came back negative. It's really discouraging because I was hoping for a for sure answer as to what's wrong. My doctor said we can still treat empirically. What do you think the chances are of parasites still being the issue even with these negative results? Posts: 75 | From Chicago, IL | Registered: Jan 2014
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I restarted the salt/C a few weeks ago, saw them exiting and then did a stool test. I put a worm in the container and it still came back negative.
I was so surprised. And it was very discouraging. But i can see them, almost everyday. So that is my encouragement now.
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