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gmb,
you have to stay on antiparasitics indefinitely and then maintenance. You can either continue with the Parastroy or switch to Hanna Kroeger Wormwood kit or Humaworm. Add extra cloves, digestive enzymes and slowly continue to ramp up on salt/c.
If you herx too much, take a break until it calms down. Your symptoms of brain fog and neuropathy are a herx. Warm water enemas help release toxins and dead and dying parasites.
I did 6 mos of herbs and it wasn't until I added salt/c did I have a mass exodus of parasites. It can take several yrs to get rid of this kind of infection.
It takes persistence and a consistent effort to get rid of these buggers, They just hang on for dear life. Some of them (roundworms) lay 200,000 eggs a day.
You can also increase the Parastroy to 3 each 2 x a day after the 3rd week. Just keep going and research all you can about getting rid of parasites.
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Slayadragon, I have never met anyone who killed just one tapeworm. I did see a guy who had one surgically removed before though (he was on the Dr. Oz show). It was huge! I believe we all have parasites and where there is one form, there are likely more. Your progress is so inspirational none the less. It is awesome that you are almost well!
Killing certain worms has been brutal for me as well. The toxins they release can be so intense. Binders in addition to coffee enemas have helped. The more binders, the better I feel. And salt/c really helps on those bad days (flushes out the toxins and supports my body at the same time). When in doubt, I reach for the salt/c.
Have you tried castor oil packs to break up what you feel is dead matter? Sometimes they help to push things through.
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Thanks Catgirl. That is very interesting that someone had a tapeworm surgically removed. Intestinal surgery is really hard on the body though. So I would be pretty reluctant to do that, personally. Though the idea of getting it over with does have an appeal.
I do take a lot of vitamin C (maybe 15-20 g recently), but in capsules. And I do think that is really helpful for flushing these out. Also I like Mag07, which is an oxygen delivery system that supposedly dissolves things in the intestines.
How much Vitamin C and how much salt do you use? Do you take them together? Does it matter if you use the salt on food?
Did you ever see this video of a tapeworm found during a colonoscopy? That is the color I witnessed too.
I looked up info about castor oil packs on the web. That looks like a good idea but possibly really messy!
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Coconut oil applied directly around the area of the small intestine and abdomen is a very good way to help kill these infections. Doesn't stain clothes as far as I can see and has really helped me heal through the yrs.
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Gael, do you eat coconut oil also?
How often do you apply the coconut oil to your abdomen?
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The castor oil packs become easier, and you figure out tricks to make them less work.
They really are effective for me.
I started adding coconut oil to my hot drinks (internal consumption) and I think the extra fat has stressed my gallbladder :-/
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Do you know if your spouses/partners need to be treated for parasites while you are? I just wonder about the vicious cycle of passing these monsters back and forth.
Today, I saw some awful looking things that freaked me out in the toilet. I am so grossed out that these are inside of me.
The only protocol I am using is MMS enema and cloves daily with daily tbs of food grade diatomaceous earth. Also on A Bart and cordyceps with many homeopathics and nutritional support.
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You're welcome Slayadragon. Wow that youtube video is gross but fascinating at the same time. I've always thought docs just ignored parasites.
The salt/c I take is from the salt/c protocol (great book on amazon). Gael (the awesome woman who started this thread) saw amazing results after she started using it. I don't want to speak for her, but everything she has posted convinced me that salt/c was key to getting these creatures out.
I feel so much better after I take it. You start with 1/4 tsp of sea salt added to 1/4 tsp of powdered vitamin C in a big glass of water (I use 2 cups of water, and Esther C powder). I started taking it once per day, then after a while twice per day. I either sip it throughout the day, or take it on an empty stomach. You have to go very slow when increasing the dosage though (I think it's best to read the book). I went even slower than that though--lol (chicken)!
Surprise is right about castor oil packs. My first couple were messy, but like anything else (coffee enemas, etc), you get it down pat in no time. And Gael's suggestion about the coconut oil is a great idea. I forget to do this sometimes (lyme brain). I'm not really sure where my small intestine is, so I just massage some in around the gall bladder area.
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I read this whole thread at one point but don't remember all of it. And Salt C is one protocol that I've not done. Is it supposed to kill the parasites or do something else in addition to that?
I will try using coconut oil externally.
I have been increasing the amount of ozone water that I have been taking and right now am feeling that there may be something inside my stomach, giving me kind of a stabbing feeling. It feels too high up to by in my intestines. That is rather scary.
It is ridiculous how little conventional medicine knows about everything associated with this sort of illness, including the parasites. I read the journal article associated with that You Tube video, and it sounded like the sufferer had some kind of chronic mystery disease. And after they gave her drugs to address the tapeworm, she did not get much better. Which is not really a surprise to me. That would have just been one part of the problem.
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It sounds like parasites (stabbing feeling).
Salt/C works really well to kill off parasites, especially when you include anti parasitic herbs (in the same day). But like Gael said above (response to gmb), you have to keep at it, and maintenance is forever.
IMO, killing off parasites with anything helps to knock lyme back (salt/c included). When I did just salt/c though, lyme was still flaring for me. But when I added anti parasitic herbs, that was when I noticed lyme on the run. It didn't last long though.
I think the key is to rotate everything or the bugs adapt. That said, I was taking a weak dose of salt/c. I may have made more progress upping my dose. It's hard to do all of this while removing metals as well.
I agree, it is ridiculous how little conventional medicine knows. We've all been sold a bill of goods growing up believing they know best, and to trust whatever they say. Yet they completely ignore parasites, lyme, etc.
They firmly believe parasites only exist in underdeveloped countries. They stopped using their brains, and simply followed their textbooks/mentors. No room to grow beyond that when their mentors keep regurgitating old standards too.
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Dbpei, it's not a bad idea. I believe Dr. K treats the spouse as well. I know with pin worms you treat the whole family. I am also happy to hear you are making progress with the MMS, cloves and DE. A-Bart is good stuff too.
My husband doesn't have anywhere near the problems I do, so he doesn't treat as often as I do. That said, after seeing what came out of me, he is treating again (lol!). He started on MMS and humaworm 10 years ago. The guy was so ahead of the pack, and light years ahead of me (lol)!
I completely understand your disgust over the gross creatures. Try not to freak out. We all have them, IMO. They are part of this earth. Their eggs are so tiny, they are easily missed (food, water, air). Their job is to stay hidden in their host. You are doing so well getting rid of them!
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Thanks for your encouragement, Catgirl. I need to keep remembering that it is good to be getting these disgusting things out of me, even though I am not happy to see them!
I am having so many strange sensations in my face and ears today. (more than the usual that I complain about) Wondering if they are invading that area too!
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You're welcome! Yes, remember that you are making progress--it takes time.
No doubt the bugs are there. They go everywhere they can. I get weird feelings like a bug or spider web is on my face, or something is under my skin around my nose, chin and mouth--yet, nothing is there.
I notice it when I'm hitting the bugs with parasitic meds, or herbs. I've even had tiny seed like things exit from the corners of my eyes (Gael has mentioned this before too). And ears, don't get me started (lol)! My ears are so much better now.
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I know to start low dose and work up. But what exactly to use. Plain seasalt and plain vitamin C, but any other guidelines for these ?
Just check and be sure the label says Ingredients: Sea Salt ?
For the Vitamin C I assume it should be vitamin c and nothing else? I ask because there alot of vitamin c supplements that contain calcium, magnesium etc.
If it is plain vit c. Is it OK to to a vitamin c with cal, mag etc separate from the salt/C ?
Sorry to "bug" you guys with a beginner question. I did try to find the answer - but there are 20 pages !
It could be helpful to have this protocol at the top of every page.
Thanks !
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I use Esther C powder with boflavinoids by American Health(8oz) and buy it at Vitacost. I also use Real Salt sea salt and order it from Vitacost in the 26oz size.
I mix the two together in a glass of water and drink extra water. Coconut water is also very beneficial to help balance electrolytes and is high in potassium.
Hope this helps you.
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Your welcome. keep us posted and Good Luck!
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What is the ultimate target dose for the Salt-C protocol?
I have been taking 10-20 g of Vitamin C a day for a while. I eat a fair amount of salt anyway, but maybe it doesn't count if it is on food (though truly that does not make a lot of sense to me unless you need to totally fast to do this).
But today I dissolved a tablespoon of salt in water and drank that. It did not seem like too bad of a thing to do either. (A mixture of grey sea salt and pink sea salt.)
I also am taking anti-parasite herbs, diatomaceous earth (1-2 scoops per day), and periodic ozone water.
It does seem to be irritating the worm (which appears to be right at the junction of where my stomach and small intestine meet). But whether I can kill it with this natural stuff, I don't know.
I wonder if I should be doing praziquantel instead.
I wish this were more charted territory!
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slayadragon,
NOT advisable to start at 1 tablespoon of salt!! RAMPING UP SLOWLY is what the protocol calls for. Otherwise you could really find yourself in a very bad herx.
I started with 1/4tsp each sea salt and 1/4tsp vit C per day in a glass of water and ramped up 1/4tsp at a time according to how I was herxing. I also took antiparasitic herbs, digestive enzymes, coconut oil, coconut water, extra cloves and kefir.
I worked my way up to 20gm each over time (1tsp 4 x a day in divided doses) I think the suggested dose is more like 12 gms a day.
Best to buy the salt/c plus book from Amazon for guidance.
Gael
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Well, I've been working on killing this tapeworm for nearly two years and have detoxified massive amounts of both metals and biotoxins already (over the past six years since starting mold avoidance). And I'm basically recovered from "this disease" -- all that seems left of it is this parasite. So probably I'm working from a different vantage point than most other people.
I don't feel like the salt has made much of a difference compared to what I was already doing. But I will try continuing with that same amount, except it sounds like it's better to split it up over the course of the day.
Have you encountered anyone who has managed to address a large tapeworm effectively, Gael? I wonder if there is anything else that I might learn from them.
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It's full moon time again. How is everyone doing?
Hang in there, just a few more days. :)
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Oooh Catgirl! Is it full moon yet?! This is a tough couple of days!
Ice pick headaches at 2am. Projectile vomiting at 3am.
Every joint and tendon irritated.
Eyes SO dry. Spleen "twinging" Zero appetite.
I am on heavy duty combination antibiotics.
Should I wait till they are done to take albendazole and ivermectin?
Or can I do ivermectin and albendazole while on heavy duty abx?
I don't want to stress my liver. The abx I am on are heavy hitters to the liver and kidneys.
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So - this is the first time I have had a serious herx in sync with the full moon. Definitely outside the 1 month herx cycles that i have been having with Abx treatment.
Would you say that having a herx with the full moon is solely indicative of parasites or can lyme do this as well?
Nonetheless - hitting parasites with herbs and salt/c is on the schedule to do in a couple of months
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Greta,
you can use this emoticon for the bloody murder, screaming, hair pulling you experienced. just label your feelings behind it.
So sorry you had/have to go through that, but I can sure relate. Hope you feel better soon.
Gael
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Watching Michael J Fox on Rachel Ray this morning. He was originally dx with Lyme disease yrs ago and then given the secondary dx of Parkinson.
Everytime I see him move and squirm I can't help but feel he has large G.I. worms causing this movement. Is it just me being fixated on parasites, or does anyone else see or think this is a possibility?
Have to say though he doesn't seem to be suffering which is great and has a new TV show.
Wish him well of course.
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Greta, you poor thing. You definitely need the lyme treatment. I am not sure I would do the iver or albenza while on heavy duty abx. The parasite meds are so strong, I don't think I could handle it. Our livers can only take so much. And if you happen to be on diflucan on top of that, it can be even more taxing on the liver with all things combined.
I would probably just try the herbs first. You can also try adding salt/c (1/4 tsp of each) after a while (if you are doing okay on the herbs). My liver couldn't take much salt on abx, so the herbs were a good option for me.
I used to have dry eyes too. Mine were so dry that I used to get up and cup my hand with some water then bend over and dip my eye in my cupped hand of water. It gave me instant relief. Hang in there!
LymeSwimmer, it's hard to say if your herx is from parasites, lyme or both. It took me some time before I nailed my herxes down (try keeping a journal).
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What tests and by what labs have you all taken to diagnose what parasites and co-infections you have?
I am guessing that I just have Bb, since herbal treatment has gotten rid of my heavy neurological symptoms and muscle aches. Just light joint aches (migrate), and numbness/sensitivity in my left hand & fingers that has not gone away and actually is increasing in which areas of hand now.
But if I also have parasites or co-infections to treat, I would like to know.
I was fortunate enough to recognize recently that my symptoms were Lyme, and get positive testing, so hopefully not too much damage done yet. But I did get it in 2009, just not bad symptoms until a few months ago.
Thanks for any suggestions for testing.
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has anyone here taken ivermectin? i took it three days in a row last week and have never felt so bad in all my treatment. i feel nauseated, weak, horrible headache, etc.. hasnt gone away yet and i havnt taken it in about 5 days... is this normal? i am prone to herxing, but i have not herxed this bad from anything. i also started ababs but only a very low dose, like a few drops. thanks
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how do you follow your own post in this thread? sorry, i am new to this...
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keinbinder,
Best to create a new posting IMO.
You'll bet more replies this way.
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Someone told Keinbinder to post here. I posted on your post kein.
Tapeworms come off in segments - not eggs. The segments are wiggly but they dry up and look like a piece of rice. My cats get them all the time. Ivermectin will not kill tapeworms.
I am going to the NP on Monday for IV EDTA to degrade the biofilm and chelate some heavy metals. I hope it works.
I have been taking a lot of anti-parasitic drugs and herbs including ivermectin, Alinia, albendazole, and mimosa pudica. Now I think BLO is coming out because I have had a lot of irritation and slightly sore soles of my feet in the AM.
I have not had an increase in symptoms with full moons for nearly two years but this last full moon was horrific. I have never been so anxious.
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yes keinbinder, for me, Iver made me nauseous and woozy. I have gone through the whole Dr. K protocol, ending Alinia on Monday. It has been awful. Each drug had a specific herx and/or side effect . The Iver made me nauseous, killed my appetite and worn out. Albenza gave me really bad anxiety and aggression, as did Alinia. The Alinia has brought on a good deal of eye bulging headaches, making my eyes feel like they were popping out. After this entire protocol, I feel pretty burnt out. Not sure if I hit anything, or missed everything and the disease continued to progress. Because I feel worse right now. I've been trying to detox too, with coffee enemas, and chlorella/charcoal, but the anxiety levels are way out of hand. I'm going to take a few days/weeks just trying to detox and take nothing, and then starting scaling up with salt-c.
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Nancy, the tests suck (like or worse than the western blot). Most people who don't make much progress with lyme realize there is something else so they jump in and start treating parasites.
Keinbinder, your dose may have been too high. Some people can only handle one 3mg pill a day, or every other day. All of us are different, and have different things that affect our ability to detox: MTHFR, other gene variants, etc. Have you tried salt/c protocol with anti parasitics yet? They really help me. Also, you should detox right now, and take binders (will help you feel better). Try some chlorella and/or food grade diatomaceous earth (amazon).
Lymeboy, you feel bad because you killed a ton of stuff even if you didn't see it. The toxins are floating in your body (yeast too). You have to detox like crazy when on these meds. Yeast could be there even if you don't see symptoms, and it will make you feel terrible in general.
I would take all you can to support your immune system right now. Salt/c, vitamins, minerals, herbs, teas, soups, and everything else you're doing and some stuff for yeast.
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Keinbinder and Lymeboy, I forgot to mention that the parasite meds change for me each time I do them. Some much better, some worse, which is why we have to rotate them and alter doses.
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I do take chlorella and coffee enemas, though I realize that may not be enough. What is a relatively cheap way to thoroughly detox? What is an inexpensive way to combat yeast.
I think that Detox and yeast MAY be my biggest issues at this point. I took high dose, multiple abx for 3 years. I took probiotics, but I only did what I could afford. I don't have a lot of GI discomfort, but I've developed a weird throat clearing, where it feels like I have a lot of phlegm but it won't clear, usually after I eat. I clear my throat like nuts and drive myself and everyone around me crazy with the "Heh Hems". Detox is something I'm not sure how to do 100% without help, and I cannot see a Dr. at this point in time. I drink green tea, do 3-4 coffee enemas /week, take Chlorella before meals and that is it right now. I wish I could do a series of IV's but I just cannot afford it. Even if I could I'd spend the money fixing my teeth that have fallen apart with this.
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lymeboy, I lose my voice with PR. I wonder if your phlegm is the same thing. Another thing you can use to detox is cilantro. You need about 1/4 a cup of it though.
I was extremely anxious and irritable on albendazole and alinia. I didn't make the connection.
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Lifting light weights (Burrascano) is cheap and it's by far the most beneficial form of detox I know. I just lift some tiny weights while I watch TV. Within 10 or 15 minutes I feel so much better. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but it works like clockwork. Also, exercising Burrascano's way kills lyme. It knocks my lyme into remission. You can also use lemon water to detox.
I get the eh, hems too. I think they are proto like Nefferdun said. If you get them right after you eat something with fat in it, there's your answer.
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I looked at the symptom list for several of the parasites, and think the 2 B's do not apply, but some of the lesser known ones, maybe.
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You're welcome Nancy. Have you checked out humaworm's symptom list? It's a good one.
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Greta, how are you doing, are you okay? Did you start doing parasite meds yet? I forgot that you were already doing salt/c. I couldn't do salt/c while on one of the parasite meds (hurt my kidneys).
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Hi Catgirl,
I am going OK. I took your advice regarding the antiparasites.
I decided not to do them while I am on abx.
I don't want to stress my liver or kidneys.
I am still doing salt/c. I ramped down for a while, but am ramping up again.
Did anyone else have a bad week "after" the full moon?
I am beginning to think I may have PR. Does it have a cycle?
How are you doing Catgirl?
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I'm glad you're hanging in there. :) Lyme and co infections are a lot to deal with. It's tough to do heavy duty abx and treat parasites at the same time. People do it, but I'm a bit more conservative treating everything (lightweight).
I'm doing better. Starting to figure out what works for me as far as proto goes. Diet is really helping (eating tons more food though since it's mostly veganish). I'm still chipping away at parasites & heavy metals. It's a never ending battle, but the more I kill, the better I feel. And the more metals I get rid of the better I feel too.
Everything started to flare the week after the full moon, but that may be part of proto, or parasites in general. When I cut fat and animal protein though, my babs, bart and lyme symptoms diminished (so worth it to feel better). So my week after turned out to be good. I am not sure about it having a cycle.
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Ip,
Sorry, have been off line for a while since my computer crashed. To answer your question, I would follow up with some antiparasitic herbs and maybe low dose salt/c to make sure the pills hit all of the parasites and eggs.
Gael
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I had a dark field live blood analyis again a few days ago. And there it was... some kind of nematode.
I was given Clarkia from my doc... a tincture based on Hulda Clarks detox protocol. I started with the recommened 15 drops and it gave me the worst head ache that 4 days later continues but not so bad today. Coffee enemas are helping.
I stopped taking Clarkia. Am I a whimp and should I tough this out and continue? Im thinking if i take that stuff again I'll start at 4 drops.
any opinions?
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Catgirl
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I can't deal with headaches.
The herxes can be tough. I would try using less drops and work up slowly. Remember to take more binders than usual.
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Carmen,
you don't have to "hit yourself over the head" so to speak with doing too much. I would take a break and let the headache calm down. It's a herx symptom.
Then I would start at a lower dose and ramp up slowly. Pace not race is the motto for salt/c and I am sure could apply to other protocols.
Also, warm water enemas would be good to get the toxins and dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.
Keep us posted.
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I have been doing coffee enemas, they get rid of the headaches, and I'm hoping the buggers don't like coffee much either.
Thanks.
I'm going to start again next week with 4 drops Clarkia after I receive my structured water device and change out the fluids in my body with structured water. I think this may help with detox. I'm hoping anyway.
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Carmen, yes, ramp up slowly on the Clarkia.
I'm assuming it had black walnut, Wormwood and clove in it, as well as others?
Those herbs are broad spectrum, and 15 drops could be killing more parasites than your body is able to detox.
Also, helminths/nematodes have concentrations of heavy metals in their bodies, so when they die, those metals are released.
I tend to do a warm water enema with salt added, before I do my coffee enema.
The saline water gets most eeverything out, which I hope, increases absorption of the coffee, and enables me to retain it longer.
I have also tried several herbals, and you are definitely using the right combo with the Clarkia.
I find sea salt and C really flushes the parasites out.
It is disgusting.
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Thanks catgirl.... I'm not able to go through all the thread so could someone tell me Dr K's anti parasite protocol using meds? I'm currently taking ivermetcin... I am seeing my doc soon and would like to have the info w/me Thanks Posts: 83 | From Tennessee | Registered: May 2010
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Wow that youtube video is gross but fascinating at the same time. I've always thought docs just ignored parasites.![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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