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What was your reaction?
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For frikfrak to review.
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thanks glm1111....i have read this post (parasites) many times. I see that a lot of people use the salt/vit c but not going to lie, I'm little nervous giving it to my DS...since he doesn't speak I would not know how he's feeling.
Also he's on multiple abx for lyme/babesia.
thank you, I will definitely see about what i can do to go after these critters.
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I have been treating parasites and seeing them exit for 3-1/2 years now. I mostly rotate Albenza and Parastroy, but add diam. earth at times.
Is it safe to use this combo for such a long haul?
Anything others find stronger than Parastroy?
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I add Hanna Kroeger Wormwood, extra cloves to Parastroy and salt/c. Parastroy says to not use for that long, but I have used it for over a year. You can also rotate with Humaworm and other antiparasitic herbs. They all seem to have similar ingredients.
Adding salt/c to the mix packs quite a powerful punch. You might want to consider. When I did that it caused a mass exodus for mos. The parasites can't stand the salt and causes them to exit.
It can take yrs to get rid of parasites and all of the eggs and larva they have layed deep into the tissues. It's like peeling an onion. Just keep going, because persistence is key.
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How do you know the difference between "just a side effect" of the medication, and a herx or die-off of parasites or bacteria?
A few days ago I started a medication for parasites. The first medication I tried had no effect on me. This second medication, within about 2 days of starting it I got really sick (fever, aches, chest congestion, headache, etc).
My doctor says he believes this is a die-off rather than just an effect of the meds.
This medication targets the microscopic parasites, so I wouldn't be able to tell by passing any.
I'm just confused as to knowing the difference between if it's die-off or normal issues from the meds.
My fever was pretty bad the first 2 days, and now it goes between completely normal and low-grade fever.
Any thoughts or experiences anyone has had with this type of thing?
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Dmarie, it's a tough call because some parasite meds also hit lyme. Die off is the herx, and if it happened within two days of taking it, I would guess it's because your meds killed something.
If however you are having symptoms that are known side effects (you can check drugs.com), then they could be from the meds. It's still a tough call though. Your doc probably has a better idea here, so I would follow his lead. A fever throws me though (sounds like lyme).
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Thanks Catgirl. We aren't sure yet if I have Lyme, so it's definitely a little confusing.
Fever is not listed as one of the common side-effects of the med, though who knows?
My fever was way worse at first. It was pretty high for 2-3 days. Now it fluctuates between being completely normal with no fever, and then it'll randomly go up for a short period of time.
My doc does say he thinks die-off is more likely than side-effect of meds.
What throws me is that while maybe something is being killed, my original symptoms are not improving. I just assumed that as soon as things started being killed...my symptoms would go away (even though I'm only on day 4 of the medication).
The dr. says it can take much longer for symptoms to show an improvement. What's your experience with that? Am I just being too impatient? Posts: 75 | From Chicago, IL | Registered: Jan 2014
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My last LLMD that passed away did a test. Don't know what it is called or which lab she used.
My chart notes say BRC - significant biofilm.
Does anyone have any input?
I am on anti-parasitic protocol plus clyndamiacin. Plus heparin.
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Parasites and other microorganisms secrete biofilm as a protective coating to protect themselves from being attacked by outside sources such as abx for example.
When I added salt/c to my antiparasitic herbs, I found numerous parasites floating in the toilet surrounded by biofilm.
Salt is a drying agent to many organisms that become dehydrated when the salt hits them. Much like when you pour salt on a worm it will shrivel up.
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Dmarie, often when people go after one bug, another co infection pops up, so they feel worse. Also, if you read Burrascano's guidelines, you will see that people often get worse before they get better (lyme). It takes time to figure out what is what.
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Mlg, maybe it is due to proto?
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I stumbled across this while reading about the CDC's Neglected 5...
I didn't realize toxocariasis was as prevalent as it is.
Sorry to quote a CDC link here folks...normally wouldn't do this, but the numbers of admitted parasite infection is actually higher than I ever thought the CDC would admit it to be.
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Someone was asking about a bad cough?
"The manifestations of toxocariasis reflect the number of migrating larvae, where the larvae have migrated in the body, and the degree of immune response and inflammation that developed in response to the presence of the larvae.
Visceral toxocariasis has been proposed as a cause of asthma..."
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Toxoplasmosis:
"In the United States it is estimated that 22.5% of the population 12 years and older have been infected with Toxoplasma."
Other parts of the world have been estimated at 95%
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What po's me about both of these is they are detected with blood tests.
Which is great for those of us with LL's who realize our compromised immune systems give us a chance at catching EVERYTHING, but not great for everyone else who sees Dr. Ordinary Smith.
Wouldn't it be nice if every poor kid with asthma had a simple blood test to see if perhaps steroid inhalers weren't the wisest course of treatment?
Grrr...
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CD57--I am chiming in late. Humaworm suggest a 90 day break so the parasites do not develop resistance like they do to antibiotics.
A lot of parasite regimens wipe out the good bacteria and the yeast (both good and bad yeast). I know humaworm does and it takes awhile to build the gut back up.
But, definitely worth it to get the parasites any safe way you can!
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The problem with taking a break from antiparasitics is that some of these parasites (roundworms)are laying 200,000 eggs a day. Not to mention how many eggs the other parasites are laying.Threadworms, hookworms etc. That would be approx. 6,000,000 eggs a month (if my math is correct)
This is considered a hyperinfection. Folks that are chronically ill with Lyme or TB are on abx for a yr or longer without a break.
I took that 3 mos break that Humaworm suggested and am sorry I did. I drink/drank lots of kefir as well even while taking the herbs. Not telling anyone else what to do, but for me the numbers speak for themselves.
The herbs also kill the candida. These parasites are just plain bad news and not to be taken lightly as they invade the brain, organs, lungs and tissue.
If you are lucky enough to have an ART practioner, that would help. I guess everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.
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P.S.
When you add salt/c to the herbs, it sucks the water out of the parasites and causes them to go into osmotic shock and exit. The combo packs quite a punch.
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: The problem with taking a break from antiparasitics is that some of these parasites (roundworms)are laying 200,000 eggs a day. Not to mention how many eggs the other parasites are laying.Threadworms, hookworms etc. That would be approx. 6,000,000 eggs a month (if my math is correct)
This is considered a hyperinfection. Folks that are chronically ill with Lyme or TB are on abx for a yr or longer without a break.
I took that 3 mos break that Humaworm suggested and am sorry I did. I drink/drank lots of kefir as well even while taking the herbs. Not telling anyone else what to do, but for me the numbers speak for themselves.
The herbs also kill the candida. These parasites are just plain bad news and not to be taken lightly as they invade the brain, organs, lungs and tissue.
If you are lucky enough to have an ART practioner, that would help. I guess everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.
Gael
I agree with Gael. I took a break and was sorry I did. Also, the herbs do help with candida.
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I'm on day 7 of my medication/antibiotics for parasites and my doctor really thinks that the first couple days I had a die-off reaction.
I still have another week of the prescription. I'm probably being impatient, but I'm really discouraged my ORIGINAL symptoms are still here with no improvement.
Should they be gone already if I really did have a die-off? Or am I being too impatient? My doctor said it can take time to show any improvement...
How long does this take?? Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way but I keep thinking if I did have a die-off, then my parasite symptoms would be gone Posts: 75 | From Chicago, IL | Registered: Jan 2014
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Dmarie, why not listen to your doc (it takes time)? Don't you believe him?
Sorry, but if I didn't know better I would think you were a troll. You seem to keep asking the same questions trying to acquire advice or a different response. We're not doctors. Your doc has the answers you seek.
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Had the same situation with dmarie sending me pms and asking the same questions in a different way repeatedly. Quite tiring.
Catgirl is right...listen to your doc and do some research on parasites. Did you do any research dMarie?
Gael
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Wow I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to offend or irritate anyone. I've just been trying to understand things better and make sense of things. It's been a confusing time and was just really appreciative of people who actually understood these things (unlike me).
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And yes, Gael, I've done research but there is so much it's overwhelming and I don't really know what to take. Sometimes deciphering all the information online is a bit difficult.
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Yes, same experience here. Over and over.
Research for whatever, regarding whatever you're researching for,
Try curezone. Parasite forum. There's enough wingnuts on there to supply you with a plethora of data for whatever it is you are researching.
Folks with lyme have enough problems as it is.
God bless and good luck with your paper.
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Starting a new anti parasitic.
Parasite Purge
Wormwood, Black Walnut, Garlic, Cinnamon, Clove, Thyme in a tincture.
Company called Harmonic Arts Botanical Dispensary.
First tincture drops tried this morning. Will keep you posted on progress.
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Right on Greta! I like trying new products. They seem to confuse the bugs.
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It is STRONG!
Halfing my previous dropperful...
Had some strange cramping in the duodenal area... Thought I was going to have the runs... Strong enough to make me squint my eyes and breathe the La Mas....hahaha.
But didn't have the runs. Just the weird cramps. They went away.
Trying half dropperful with dinner.
You're right Catgirl! It's good to keep them confused!
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Awesome!
I think tincture forms are very strong in general, at least for me they are. I get very sharp cramping from them, then the next day more worms--sometimes different ones that I haven't seen in awhile.
Greta, is it alcohol based? Also, how big a bottle did you get? I don't know my ml vs oz (lol).
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I got the 50mL bottle. About one and a half times the size of a Byron white bottle (abab, av etc).
I wanted to try the smallest size in case it was just the usual run of the mill etc.
Also bought Candida Combat, which I haven't tried (will add in next week).
WOW! can't believe the strength of the Parasite Purge.
The garlic is strong but doesn't burn the mouth like fresh garlic.
Yes, alcohol based tincture.
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Thanks Greta! Please keep us posted on how well it kills the bugs.
Hey, the lyme ease looks like it might be worth trying too.
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I thought most of these herbal parasites stuff had mostly the same ingredients so am surprised to hear about the strength of Greta's new one. Way to go!
Also I have really noticed that the Humaworm (I am back on) is far worse at wiping out good bacteria than the abx I have been on!
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CD57, what do you mean wiping out good bacteria, what is it doing to you?
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I can just tell that this stuff is doing that far more so than the abx I have taken. I have to be VERY vigilant about replenishing, or I can tell immediately.
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CD57-wow! Thanks for the heads up about huma! interesting!
Yes, I thought the tinctures were all the same too but yowsers.
I can tell it is doing some serious killing, as for the first time in my life, I mean ever, I have went 24 hours without pooping. (TMI sorry). I will do a salt water enema tonight to get the toxins out.
Normally things have a tendency to go the other way, and I spend half my life on the can. Haha.
Patches-i think I've seen those suppositories on the greenandhealthy website. They may be cheaper there?
Haven't tried them, but interested!
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I've tried the suppositories for a month. I didn't see anything at the time, but they did give me what the ER doc thought was a UTI.
Now i don't think it was a UTI, i think it was just killing something and the pain was from that. I wouldn't do it every night at first.
I just ordered parastroy to add to my salt/C, anyone know what dose is good to start out with?
Thanks!!!
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I started Parastroy with half the dose they suggested and ramped up according to how I felt. It's very strong.
Good luck with it and keep us posted.
Gael
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Mlg, I haven't heard of that one before, but it looks good!
CD57, maybe it is killing so much that the die off is giving you yeast? That happens to me from abx, and they give me what seems like a UTI, but not a UTI. Or maybe there is something in it your body cannot handle.
You could always try calling humaworm. They usually are very good at pinpointing which herb causes which reaction. Then they can leave it out if you so desire.
Humaworm actually makes my yeast better. My doc even said that parasite formulas often do this (better).
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Yikes!
Going down to 1/4 dropperful!
Definitely working!
I'm needing to increase activated charcoal.
Strange mucousy things-makes me think my body is surrounding toxins, or maybe biofilms?
Cramping in duodenal area a few hours after tincture-ing.
But definitely going to 1/4 dropper.
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Wow, Greta, it is so good to hear you found something that is working so well, even after lowering the dose. That stuff must be super strong!
Have you seen an increase in worms too?
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No worms yet. But those strange mucousy things with the bright red dots in it.
?
It's not blood. it looks like clear gel with tiny red sprinkles (the kind that go on sugar cookies).
Very bizarre. Have had this once before-don't know what this is. Must be a biofilm of some type.
Yes, I am very pleased with the tincture so far. It said 30 drops on the bottle, but I think that would be for healthier folks!
Has anyone had this gel-thingy?
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A great discussion of lyme, heavy metals(including aluminum) and parasites from Dr. K.
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Thanks for posting the discussion from Dr.K.
Interesting that it was brought up by Robin123 on a thread debating the safety and use of MMS for parasites. Robin brought up the point that just a few yrs ago, bringing up the point that folks with Lyme had parasites was ridiculed.
I can attest to that, because I caught a lot of flack for my constantly bringing up the parasite issue.
It didn't really bother me, because of my own battle with finally "seeing" what was making me so sick and knew it could be the missing link for many with chronic Lyme.
Really happy to finally see so many here pursuing these monsters inside being "uncovered" so to speak.
Kinda like saying to these intruders "Okay, the jigs up, NOW GET OUT"!!! You are ALL really strong fighters and have what it takes to get well.
Gael
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It is a little confusing at first, but the potential is so great and the cost so low that anyone who is willing to try will be rewarded I think.
I am only on my third day of using the parasite frequencies and feel some brain fog clearing.
I will keep you informed.
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