glm1111
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Powder vitamin C with bioflavonoids mixed in the water with sea salt is best and at equal amnts. Not sure if time released is a good idea. Just my thoughts, but you may want to give that a try. I use Ester C powder from American health and buy it at Vitacost.
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Thanks Ukcarry! Elle Belle looks good. :)
Dbpei, you're welcome. :) No, I don't take all that stuff at once. I do combine some of them though. I also combine stuff with salt c sometimes.
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Surprise = I love smooth move! ain't it great?
All -- I feel bad off Humaworm, think I am going to go back on even though it has not been 90 days break. I think it hits bartonella too.
Do people think it wipes out good flora?
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What herbs are in Elle Belle Eliminateur? I could not find the ingredients on the web?
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Hi Hiker, the Elle Belle Eliminateur contains : Cinnamon bark powder Clove ****ake mushrooms Garlic powder extract Glucomannan Pumpkin seed Chicory root, Cayenne extract Fenugreek seed Olive leaf extract and magnesium caprylate.
I will post any opinions worth sharing on it when I get started on it. I don't know if it is available in USA.
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quote:Originally posted by CD57: Do people think it wipes out good flora?
No (not my experience).
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Actually I do think the herbs wipe out good flora. How can they discriminate between good yeast and bad yeast? How can they tell the difference between good bacteria and bad bacteria?
I called Humaworm and they told me not to waste the money on the probiotics etc. while taking Humaworm as it would kill them.
I do try to eat yogurt, though, and when I finish my 30 days of Humaworm I will take probiotics and Sacch. boulardii.
This is just my opinion.
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UKCarry--Thanks for the info on the Elle Belle. I am a bit allergic to garlic, but I wonder if I could take this as it seems so different from the other ones I have tried (except for the garlic).
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Hiker, I have to be careful too with garlic: the freeze dried capsules of garlic i tried a few years ago really stressed my liver because of genetic polymorphisms......but I did cope with the amount of garlic in Kroeger's Rascal, for example, so am hoping that will also be the case with Elle Belle Eliminateur.
I must confess to being entranced by the name of the product too!
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I have done almost all the lyme protocols. Nothing did much. Even no real herxing.
My brain is still full of cotton candy and my energy is like an old chevy. It is so depressing/
I just started some parasite herbs like Parastroy and some Mebendazole.
Anyone think I might find some solutions trying to get the parasites?
I am also doing rife work on the parasites.
Thanks.
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patches,
Adding salt/c to the herbs helps kill the parasites. The combo packs a punch because the parasites can't stand the salt. It dehydrates them. Not sure about adding the Mebenazole tho.
Keep us posted.
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I hope so.
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If you are feeling toxic, consider doing warm water enemas to release toxins and parasites from the lower colon. Make sure you are drinking plenty of water also.
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If I could afford it, I would do a series of colonics.
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Me too patches, me too.
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Greetings parasitic warriors!
I am surprised that the CDC made this public. Maybe they were just misguided by bad Lyme studies & direction. The fact that they have willingly upped their Lyme numbers is a good indication & we can be hopeful after all?
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Lymedin,
Thanks so much for posting this info. Tried to respond to make people aware of lymenet and this thread about so many with lyme dealing with parasites. Are you able to post there?
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Done deal!
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THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
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Is this normal? I have been taking Hanna Kroeger Wormwood complex for about a month (or more) at recommended dose (2 caplets before meals). I began Salt C and got up to about 5 g per day doing okay and then had a sudden, terrible explosion of tinnitus and buzzing symptoms with herxing as well.
I slowed down on the Salt C and am now just at 2 or 3 g per day. Still on HK herbs. I have a lot of new symptoms and don't know what to make of this. I have never had some of these before.
pain in sides and top of feet (totally new for me!) hand pain migrating finger joint pain extreme head aches on some days malaise/fatigue bug crawling sensations in different body parts gurgling in tummy with intestinal movement as I lie flat before going to sleep burning and tingling in feet, hands, neck, head and sometimes a shoulder, arm... (various spots) more internal vibrations in head increase in tinnitus crying easily increase in buzzing sensations in head ears getting worse instead of better (muffled sound as though head under water when I hear my voice or listen to sound)
These symptoms seem like a relapse of Lyme or a coinfection like bart. Can getting rid of parasites do this?
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Hi dbpei, Sounds like you are doing everything right!
Are you doing full dose of the Hanna Kroeger? Is it the full kit with Cloves?
If you don't already have cloves in your arsenal-I would add them in.
Everything you describe, except the tinnitus, happens to me when I start to p/o the parasites.
I read once that our emotions are actually dictated by the parasites we have.
So if you are restless, emotional etc, it's because you're agitating them.
Have you seen any in the toilet?
I would try increasing fibre. Like added some psyllium husks to a glass of water and drinking down.
Apples for the apple pectin.
If you don't already enema, I would try a lukewarm slightly salty enema to pull them out.
When I had sysmptoms like yours, the gurgly stomach, I had what looked like dried curled tomato skins in the toilet, and twig like things.
These were liver flukes.
They tend to make me dypsepsic (sp?). When I see those in the toilet.
Sorry for the graphic description.
Also be on the lookout for things that resemble rice, hair, thread, or chia seeds. (unless you eat chia seeds...then disregard. Haha)
Do you drink coconut water? The potassium in the coconut water helps to offset the sodium in salt/c.
Others will chime in.
Just wanted to tell you I think you're doing a great job!
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dbpei.
Sounds like you are stirring up the parasites and herxing. Really consider a warm water enema to release the dead and dying parasites from the lower colon. The crawling, buzzing and crying are all indicative of the salt/c and herbs working.
If it gets too rough, take a break from the herbs and salt/c until it calms down and then ramp back up. Keep us posted.
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I have a question about Salt-c. We're always told to hydrate and drink water. Does drinking a lot of water dilute the salt-c protocol? How can we dehydrate the bugs if we are constantly hydrating with water/coconut water?
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I am glad to hear this, Greta and gael. I had something that looked like a small white worm a few weeks ago Greta, but since then - nothing unusual. I will try the enema when privacy permits!
I am taking the HK formula with cloves and also have several fresh cloves every day in my tea. It makes my mouth feel fresh.
I meet with my new LLND next week. Hoping she can give me some additional support and guidance. Thanks so much!
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lymeboy,
Drinking salt/c with extra water allows the salt to go into the tissues and other areas of the body. It will still dehydrate them, however, the higher doses will even dehydrate them further.
I worked my way up to 20gms of salt/c in divided doses of 5mg each 4 x a day. Not saying you should go that high, but that's what I did.
VERY important to drink extra water when doing salt/c so you don't get dehydrated. You can tell what doses are effective by how much you herx.
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I'm at 16 gms. I use the mixture method and sip from a small bottle about 5-6x/day. I am sure I can handle 20. I have not had a tremedous amount of herxing with this. But I did start getting 4-6 week flares.
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Thanks for posting tutu!
Amazing that this info about parasites is just coming out now.(better late then never) So many people with chronic diseases here in this country are being affected and the medical community has been so unaware.
Our grandparents new that parasites were a problem in humans as well as our pets. Our docs are just not educated enough in this country about parasites.
They just treat symptoms of diseases with pharma drugs and never get to the cause. It's a shame so many people are suffering in ignorance.
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ok, so what is the medical treatment for all of this?
What if you want to address it with over-the-counter meds....
ugh
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glm1111
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There is pin x in drugstores for pin worms. You would need a script for the other antiparasitics such as albendazole, alinia, Ivermectin etc.
The other alternative is antiparasitic herbs such as parastroy, Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo and others you can purchase on line or at a Vitamin Shoppe. Salt/c is another option n combo with the herbs.
It can take several yrs to get rid of these kinds of infections that most likely have disseminated in immunocompromised patients. No easy quick fix.
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How do you know if parasites are causing problems outside of digestion?
How do you know if things are improved if you have no change in symptoms after one month of anti-parasite formulas?
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For me it was "seeing" them (parasites) exit into the toilet. However it took six mos of herbs. Had no idea I had parasites, I was using herbs with wormwood and other strong Chinese and South American herbs from "The Monastery of Herbs) targeted for Lyme, babs and bart.
It was when I added salt/c to the mix that they started to exit en mass. I had liver flukes exit and my asthma cleared up from my lungs. Also could feel crawling in my scalp and other areas of my body.
One mos of antiparasitic herbs is usually not enough to see results, however, I have seen people post that they had worms exiting when starting salt/c.
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Does anyone know if I can take Humaworm while on minocycline?
Also...I am not up to day with herbal treatments for BB. Do any of the ingredients in Humaworm overlap and treat BB?
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Humaworm has specific herbs for Lyme. Not sure about minocycline and Humaworm, but have seen people on here post about taking antiparasitic herbs while on abx.
Taking them 1-2 hours apart was what was suggested. According to lymestrategies (salt/c group) sea salt kills bb. The combo of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c packs qute a punch against many pathogens and has been my personal experience.
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My personal experience with salt/C showed no change in anything. I did the protocol for a full year--didn't feel worse, but didn't feel better.
For me personally I don't think it works. Yes, salt is supposed to dehydrate parasites, but in doing so it would also dehydrate your own body cells.
That is why we cannot survive on ocean water.
So, to prevent that dehydration of our body cells we have to drink extra water--as Gael always recommends. Well that will just hydrate the parasitic worms, too.
Just my opinion. If it works for you, great.
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Even with drinking the extra water, the parasites are still receiving doses of salt. If you ever have gone to the ER and were given IV saline because you were dehydrated, your tissues would still get the needed salt even though it's a diluted solution. Continuos doses of salt even diluted will eventually dry out the parasites.
Sorry you didn't have a beneficial experience from the salt/c Hiker. Wondering what dose you went up too? Perhaps adding antiparasitic herbs along with the salt/c would be beneficial.
Could be worth a shot. At any rate, the sea salt and vit c are very benficial to the adrenals and the vit c helps build the immune system as well.
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Has anyone tried clove oil or distilled cinnamon leaf oil drops for parasites? Both are known to effect parasites and bacteria. ( And yes I do realize they are potent and must be used carefully to avoid hurting the gut ) .
These seem like possibilities worth exploring .....Has anyone tried?
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I use clove essential oil or Thieves essential oil, but I put the drop just on my skin above my belly button. There is a large artery below and my theory is that the oil will be absorbed some and hit the circulating bloodstream.
I am also taking clove capsules, olive oil extract, and black walnut right now. Finished my 30 days of Humaworm and am going to try another brand that does not have wormwood.
By the way, Humaworm, as of this month, will no longer tailor their capsules to your individual needs. I was bummed as I am allergic to garlic and ginger and they used to remove it for me. They pack the capsules fresh every day.
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Thanks. I have read other boards that indicated clove oil has been used internally - one drop in a carrier oil in a capsule, to avoid stomach irritation.
I also read a few positive posts about steam distilled cinnamon leaf taken 2-2 drops for lyme ( found this story at an amazon review. )
Clove oil contains a powerful pathogen killer called EUGENOL . I am seriously thinking of taking one drop in a capsule with some olive oil, and drinking with a big glass of water.
I will post again later if I try this . It seems reasonable to try with one drop in an oil base .
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Thanks. I have read other boards that indicated clove oil has been used internally - one drop in a carrier oil in a capsule, to avoid stomach irritation.
I also read a few positive posts about steam distilled cinnamon leaf taken 2-2 drops for lyme ( found this story at an amazon review. )
Clove oil contains a powerful pathogen killer called EUGENOL . I am seriously thinking of taking one drop in a capsule with some olive oil, and drinking with a big glass of water.
I will post again later if I try this . It seems reasonable to try with one drop in an oil base .
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I have had one drop of clove oil before in a glass of water, but you need to use a make that is safe to take internally.
Dr S included it in his book on Bartonella, but didn't endorse it; just said that some of his patients said anecdotally that it had some effect.
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Hey you guys. I havent been here in awhile. I hope to get starte. By mid june. I have some other stuff i have to do first
Im writing to tell you about a thread in general about building a microscope from a smart phone
I havent done it but it gave me the idea to take pics od wierd things that come out of me and use the zoom
It works..i always used to think i was seeing worms but couldnt be sure cuz my eyes are so bad
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Hello, I am new here. I am suspecting I have pinworms etc and really want to start eliminating these critters. I would like to ask what thyme, neem, black walnuts, wormwood, cloves and •Diatomaceous earth do you recommend? Thanks!
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I am hoping I feel some results in the next few weeks. I would like to hear others experiences using it.
I haven't "seen" anything, but I am not one to look.
I am more or less trying to determine whether or not I 'feel' any different. Without thinking about it too much...that's the tough part, thinking about it too much.
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Hello everyone, just wanted to chime in and say that I recently started taking artimisinan sod and though it is said to be for babs I have actually started passing worms.
Don't know if anyone else has experienced this. Would be interested to find out
I am also currently doing blood ozone And chelation treatments
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