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Through looking at some old threads in detoxing, I came across this study that shows that lemon verbena is a great anti-parasitic herb. I grow this! I look forward to making teas and adding it to salads and soups when I can harvest it again when the weather warms up!
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day 5 salt c
gael-i dont think i am backed up at all...wont go into too much detail...but that isnt a problem...whenever i sense it is i do senna and that ends that. when i have had colonoscopies they always comment on "clean ness" and show me pics im really not having trouble with the salt c at 1000 mg each 3 times a day...right off the bat so i think i will stay here for awhile. still seeing light amounts of the same two things
i didnt do anything this morning cuz have 2 or 3 helpers coming to day and that is exhausting to me and i am already in bad shape from the leg not working...no way i could do enama now cuz hands dont work either and recent problems with shoulders...its a lot to deal with
but its winter and so i am just looking at the down time as a chance to work on the parasites since i cant do anything else
thank god for po...and net...cuz now i cant drive.
now...can you tell me where the argument is that salt wont hurt you the way western medical docs say it will
i thought salt was blamed for making you retain water but the opposite is happeneing to me
i am obese and have had 3 stress echos on my heart -all neg - but am due for one and wont be able to do it cuz of leg...
i just want to be a little careful since my dad died of heart attack and i have had chest pains for 20 yrs. usually they are reflux or muscle.
after gettin a new neg stress echo every 3 yrs i just ignor sx...but reading the stats and the fact i havent been tested in awhile is a littl unnerving
i do believe all dr m and dr k say about high cholesterol not being that big an issue
after it quiets down today i will probably do some more doses...hope this doesnt mess me up. thx for all the help here
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Ip, you may want to go super slow on the salt/c. I took 1/4 tsp just once every other day for months. On the opposite day I took DE. DE helped my arteries (no more chest pain). I have also had a history of heart issues (chest pains) for years (pretty sure they're lyme related).
The salt has slowly risen my blood pressure over the past several months at just 1/4 tsp once every other day. Only recently did I up it to twice a day, and stopped taking the DE because I felt I needed the salt more. Of course I herxed, so I brought it back down the next day, then worked back up to twice a day a couple of days later. Now it's good, and no chest pain.
I feel like it's better to go slow at this stuff, especially for people with heart issues.
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Tammy, are you taking tumeric or curcurmin? I noticed my eyelid itches the more I take it. Maybe just a coincidence. I cut my dose back, and now my eyelid is fine (was very itchy before).
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Hi, I love having this thread here! It's encouraging.
I had taken a break from parasite meds--I needed to get my herx symptoms under control so I'd be well enough to travel to the doctor, and then we changed abx so I wanted to wait until I could see how things were going. Now doing IM Claforan and a reduced dose of oral Tindamax, and seem to be doing pretty well.
So yesterday I started the ivermectin and pyrantel (PinX) again, and today see results! Also I feel pretty good and refreshed. I didn't back the dose down but picked up where I'd left it before, and am doing just fine--I think this means I AM reducing the parasite load. Can we call them psx? LOL.
In response to some thoughts here, personally I don't feel any empathy for my psx. They don't belong there, I want them dead and am pleased to see results. At the same time, I'm not creeped out but rather interested by the whole process. It's just biology. These critters have had millions of years to adapt to us. Fortunately, there are ways to get rid of them and regain our health!
I think fighting borellia and other tbd's would be more fun if you could SEE the critters. Like a video game, pew-pew-pew, take that!
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Lpkayak: it is the TYPE of salt.
Regular salt is bleached and processed - no good for you.
Sea salt- pink Himalayan or sea salt- completely different, and the basis for salt/C protocol.
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I am at 1/4 tsp salt with matching C, 2x day. Have had some pain right underneath rib cage and some nausea, but so did my husband last night and our son threw up the night before, so not sure if related.
Stool was hard and dry so didn't see anything this AM (sorry if TMI). My right upper eyelid was twitching like crazy yesterday.
Can it take a long while to build up on these programs to where things are actually seen exiting?
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What kind of vitamin C powder do you recommend? Do you just toss the vitamin C powder and salt into water and slug it down?
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CD57, whenever I had pain right underneath my right rib cage, I cut back my dosage (problem solved). Between the supplements/meds/herbs and salt, it's a lot for the body to deal with. Some days I don't even do salt C if my gall bladder hurts. That's my body's way of telling me that I'm doing too much and need to cut back.
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Ester C powder and sea salt in a big glass of water. Remember to drink more water on salt/c.
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If on salt/c its' important to balance out electrolytes. COCONUT WATER is high in potassium and other vit and minerals and is a good way to do that. Also antiparasitic and antifungal.
CD57,
It can take a while to build up sometimes, but go slow. Adding antiparasitic herbs can speed up the process and make the parasites run for cover. Your eye twitching is a very good sign that the salt is hitting the parasites.
If your stools are hard and dry, drink extra water and maybe add some coconut oil. Parasites hate coconut and it would lubricate things.
Ip,
sea salt is very close to our own body fluids. Table salt is devoid of minerals and has added chemicals. Very bad for the body. Google sea salt+ kidneys and also google sea salt health benefits.
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ty for all answers and info!
i ended up taking one dose after ppl left-im exhausted.
i have sea salt but not pink salt...hope that is ok
can anyone tell me what DE is like? how do you take it...what does it taste like? i know how it works and think that is really neat
thx
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DE is a fine powder that you mix in water or juice. I take 1 Tblsp 2x day mixed in water.
It tastes a little chalky but not too bad.
Make sure you get food grade DE.
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CD57: Sounds like you need a colonic (or several). Since your stools are the way they are, the toxins/parasites/die-off are just staying with you.
When I had the colonic last week, I didn't pass alot of stool because my intestines were so dehydrated, they just soaked up alot of the water.
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Catgirl - no I haven't been taking turmeric or curcumin. It's hard to say, but it sounds coincidental that your eye got better when you backed off. But who's to say....our bodies can react in strange ways.
I'm going to the allergist tomorrow. I haven't been in years. I actually had an appt last week and as soon as I walked in the door I was hit with a strong mold smell. I told them I could not stay (and also that I was very surprised that an allergist's office would have such a mold problem. Crazy, isn't it??!!). So I'm going to a different location tomorrow. Hoping to gain some answers.
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i have been smelling mold all over the place as it warms up
ty for DE info...where do you get it...does the brand matter?
i have noticed something interesting.
i was on doxy 100 a day for an eye infect...long term-everyday. if i didnt take it i had all kinds of sx in my eyes
for the past 4 days of taking salt c i didnt take the doxy to simplyfy things. i noticed i never got the eye sx like i usually do. today when i didnt take the salt c ti 4pm...i DID get the eye sx
i think the salt c is killing whatever the doxy was killing in my eyes...and probably everywhere else
i dont know if that means salt c kills more than parasites or if it means i had parasites in my eyes
anyway...interesting
i'm still seeing stuff come out. not dramatic. but steady
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What do we know about salt/C crossing the BBB etc?
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I have tasted the salt in my tears, so I know it circulates through the body. It has also dried out my scalp lesions and helped clear my brain fog.
Don't know for sure, but since sea salt is close to our natural fluids, I think it can and does cross the bbb. Also google brain/gut connection.
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day 6 salt c
but probably wont take it til i see primary tomorrow and have bone scan to figure out mobility issues
i also have an mri of shoulder ordered-but cant get there
in reading last night about large worms i saw they can be seen on mri...but i dont know what kind of doc or mri person could read that
my doc says no chance of parasites without bloody diarhea-which i know is wrong-but if that is what a doc says...how do you get them to order mri for parasites?
they have been following lumps in me in chest area for 4 yrs with ct scan and ultrasound...the lumps are too small to biopsy and black and i feel them...but no one knows what they are so they just keep watching them
i wonder????
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lp: even if they can be seen on MRI, would the technician or DR tell the patient they have worms?
When I had a colonic last week, the practitioner told me that her dad was a Dr. He told her that many times, when appendix are removed, the Dr's will find worms, but never tell the patient.
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IP,
I had MANY MRIs and cat scans over the years. The only thing the docs reported were retroperitoneal lymph nodes which looking back I am pretty sure were undiagnosed parasites.
Wish doctors would wake up and get with understanding the seriousness of a parasitic infestation.
I believe and have read that different Naturopathic Doctors attribute most degenerative disease to parasites. I am sure now that my cystic breasts dx when I was 16 were actually parasites.
lax mom,
How irresponsible of doctors to ignore this serious finding of worms when doing an appendectomy. Just can't get over it. This infection has literally ruined my life and am sure many others.
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P. S.
I had a long tapeworm and 20" worms in my colon along with other parasites. I will never understand how they missed these on an MRI. Either they can't see them, or they are in denial about what they are seeing.
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Gael, I have done sc before but it was too hard for me, so I am restarting at 1/8 tsp a day. i have been feeling bad. Do u think I could be herxing at such a low dose? Maybe i am just having a few bad days.
I also saw some things that look exactly like the flat floss, I just wouldn't think it could work at such a low dose.
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gigimac,
Yes it can absolutely work at that dose! The proof is that you are already seeing parasites,
If you have a hyperinfection and there are parasites in the lower colon, the salt will make them exit. Glad to see you are back on salt/c.
Just stay at that dose and keep going. Don't increase it until you feel you can tolerate it. PACE NOT RACE is the theme for salt/c.
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Bringing this up for Mitch50 to view
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I think it does hit the BBB. My head tingles whenever I take something that I know hits the BBB. Salt/C does this for me as well.
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Just a question , can you actually see parasite eggs in the stool and how big are they ?
Can you get hundreds of them at a time almost like an egg sac?
It's strange cause I stopped humaworm about 1 week ago and I am still passing stuff, actually more now , is this normal?
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These things that I think are eggs are like tiny tomato seeds and are contained in orange sacks, any ideas what this is?
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Google picture of parasite eggs and scroll down to the thread that says "Parasite Eggs After Liver Flush". Is this what you are seeing?
Might be a good idea to get back on the Humaworm Maya.
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Does Bentonite clay help get rid of parasites, or does it just carry out the toxins?
How often per day should you take bentonite clay?
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Bentonite clay contains aluminum, so wouldn't be my first choce. It also can cause beneficial nutrients to be eliminated from the body. Constipation can also be a problem, so it should be taken with psyllium husk.
My preference would be antiparasitic herbs and salt/c to get rid of parasites. If herbs are difficult to take you can open the capsules, mix in applesauce and take with meals a little at a time.
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This is a long thread & I read through most of it. I have a couple of comments...
Dirk - Yes, I think parasite hide out & cause us to think that they don't exist. I'm pretty good at dowsing & it always came up "no" for parasites until I did a liver flush & started seeing them. So - they can use "whatever means necessary" to hide out.
The culture just reiterates the "disgust" by having doctors & people think they don't exist in America & all the denial. I often wondered about why the doctors don't see the parasites when they remove people's gall bladders... Lax mom explained that one.
So many people get their gall bladders out - I bet alot of the cases are from parasites.
The other thing is - regular tea bags are very good for eye irratations. Just soak it in boiling water for a minute, let it cool down & apply it onto the eye. Goldenseal root is alos good. It's probably best to use the whole root & make a tea from it. Apply it with a cotton ball. They used to sell the whole root but you don't really see it much anymore. The powder may be irritating...
My question is how do parasites interact with the hormones? Anyone know? I think alot of my female problems have something to do with parasites in some form.
Pinworms can & do live in the vagina... I know it's gross but it does happen. I had years of "female problems"... I think alot of it had to do with some kind of parasite.
Also, I got a nebulizer & I have been using Magnascent iodine in it every so often. I think it's good against lungworm. I don't know if regular iodine is good - somen people say it's not good to nebulize potassium chloride or iodide...? Magnascent is nascent iodine so it's a little different in chemical composition.
One last thing - how about dental issues? I'm going to get a Waterpik. I read using Dakins solution (1 part chlorox to 20 parts water) can kill spirochetes. If we consider that spirochetes may have a parasite component - we may have them living in/below our gums.
Keep in mind that these bugs are very toxic. We have to use binders & whatever we can to get the toxins out quickly when they die-off.
GiGi has mentioned it a million times about the heavy metals in the parasites (not to get into the "warrior thing")... They are probably protecting us from it but when they die- it just gets mobilized. Charcoal & chlorella are probably very helpful...
Then, there's yeasts, etc. etc... These things can go in toxin cycles. I've seen it. Killing & detoxing have to go hand in hand.
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Wow, what a thread! Very interesting read, here. Gael gives good suggestions (dare I say advice) uh-oh. Anyhow, it's good to see so many participating.
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I tried humaworm once and got uti symptoms (die off?). If that happens to me again, what will help to kill the microbes (I am not on abx)? My doc gave me abx at the time, but I think it was more die off even though it felt just like a uti.
Will the charcoal or chlorella stop the die off symptoms (uti)?
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Unsweetened cranberry juice from the Health Food Store
Goldenseal
Coconut Water
Vitamin C
Kefir
Warm Water Enemas to get the dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.
Apply coconut oil to the perianal area
Drinking plenty of water is important also
Just some suggestions
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Catgirl - I think that heavy metals may be released when parasites die-off. This may be why some people are getting UTIs...(?) Metals can be exreted through the kidneys. Just a thought.
Maybe some of the homeopathic drainage remedies would help? Chlorella can't hurt, either - unless you are sensitive to it.
You may be sensitive to some of the herbs in Humaworm, too...? I thought they put too many herbs in it. You really just need the basic 3 - cloves, wormwood & green, black walnut hulls.
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catgirl, i had the same thing happen when i tried paranix. In my case,it wasn't a uti, i had it checked. llmd said it was symptoms of IC, and it took a week or so of dgl plus to get rid of it,i had stopped taking the paranix weeks before.
It's why i'm reluctant to try another another parasite treatment.
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Another thought: perhaps the Humaworm/paranix hits bartonella which is known to irritiate bladder and cause "UTI" or "IC" type symptoms? It is probable that these herbs are somewhat broad spectrum and can hit other stuff besides intended target.
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One week after trying the children's dose of Humaworm, I was hospitalized with sepsis, from a stealth UTI...I also have Bart...I think you're on to something CD57.
I'm now on prescription anti-parasitics and tolerating them better than Humaworm.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! It's true! I have parasites!!!
This is day 5 of Humaworm- I'm only taking 1/2 a pill along with 1000mg C and 1/4 tsp salt daily.
Today, there was "evidence" and I can honestly say I never thought I'd be so excited to see parasites coming out of me. LOL. What a weird thing to celebrate!
I've felt slightly better energy wise- like 10% since starting Humaworm- and I will take that!
Next week I'll increase the dose... Wow. This is nuts.
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CD57: for parasites, I'm on Pyrantel pamoate. I finished Biltricide on Sunday.
I did an epsom salt enema today and also saw "evidence".
I'm also weaning up on Valtrex for the bazillion stealth viruses I know have.
I'm on Nitrofuarantoin (from my Urologist) to prevent UTI's...and...I'm embarrassed to admit... that I crumbled a week before my 2nd round of anti-parasitics and went back on Bicillin
(That last sentence has me feeling like a failure treatment-wise)
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daynise
That's ALWAYS great news when someone sees these critters run for the hills. Keep going!
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day 7 salt c
i was offline for a few days
no time to talk now...still seeing small amts of something...back later to read what you wrote
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Congrats daynise! Welcome to the club! Yes, it is a weird thing to celebrate. But its also rewarding to finally see visible proof of why you have been so sick. You are on your way to getting better! Stick with it. And stay on top of your detoxing.
laxmom - don't be so hard on yourself. We all try to make the best decisions we can for ourselves.
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Just started reading this thread and was wondering if anyone could tell me WHAT the protocol is for treating parasites? where would one start?
When you talk about salt/c is there a page with a protocol you should follow?
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You can google "lymestrategies salt/c e book" for a downloadable e book and also visit the lymestrategies web site and group that follows salt/c. It is based on the web site www.lymephotos.com
The protocol has been revised by lymestrategies because taking sea salt instead of sodium chloride tablets proved to be a much gentler option. The slower ramp up method is also suggested.
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day 8 salt/c still ok-seeing small stuff...but not anxious to feel big stuff moving inside me again so am sticking to 2x a day and trying to figure out way to detox every other day
i have chlorella-but is old. do u think that would work? i am very interested in DE but need to order it
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