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I feel heavier in the chest. Think I am going to nebulize some potassium iodide.
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Thanks Tammy and Gael. :) I don't think I was drinking enough water (my brain just isn't working like it used to). I vaguely remember someone telling me or posting that parasites hate doxy. I'm hoping this will force them out.
Tammy, I'm going to try the castor oil pack you suggested. I'm just curious though, has anyone ingested any castor oil? Someone told me it's supposed to help purge/clean the colon.
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day 10 salt c-i did take a dose last night with the full moon but really didnt see anything
having problems with daily living...skipped today cuz people around got me confused
after my test on tuesday i hope i get answers and a plan
i seem to get "heavy" in the chest too...more so soon after a dose
1. is chlorella a good detox? is it ok to use it when it is past the date?
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Maya, I read a link today that said depression is a symptom of toxins released by parasites.
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Really cat girl that's really interesting, since even after stopping humaworm about 1.5 wks ago I was still having mass exodus , got some liver flukes and what looke like parts of a huge tape worm and have been depressed more since then, wonder if it is from the heavy metals that have been released
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I have been doing a variety of antiparasitic herbs and meds and have never seen any evidence... I have done: humaworn, tinctures, paragone, parastroy and a couple abx.
I am going to try biltricide next and hope to try ivermectin in the future.
Does one always see 'evidence' at some point, or is it best to just keep treating for a long time and wait and see? I feel like I'm wasting money?
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Just wondering too, does ginger do anything to parasites?
And lax mom I am wondering how you are doing now?
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Larae30
I did 6 mos of some very strong antiparasitics (took between 8-12 caps a day) and could feel things moving around, but it wasn't until I added salt/c that I experienced a mass exodus of parasites.
Keep going because the antiparasitics are also effective against other pathogens.
I would def add salt/c to the mix. It puts the parasites into osmotic shock(dehydrates them) and makes them let go.
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Yeah I need to read more about salt/c, it honestly scares me for some reason.
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Don't let it scare you. There is a HUGE difference between sea salt and table salt.
Sea salt is loaded with minerals while table salt is stripped of any minerals and has been processed with chemicals. Sea salt is very close to our own natural body fluids.
You can start at a VERY low dose like 1/8 to 1/4tsp each and see how you do. Sea salt and vitamin C also support the adrenals. Hope you give it a try.
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larae-i was scared for a long time and started a few weeks ago and it is much easier than i thought
gael gives good advice adn there are books written explaining it and sites
good luck
i am not doing much today...preparing for long time at hospital tomorrow for a test...hope to get answers and then get back on salt c
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Maya: I had to take a couple of days off of my RX's...it was all overloading my liver.
Unfortunately, my LLNP recommends I finish up the course of Pyrantel...so I will go back on it tonight.
I was feeling a little better yesterday, but woke up this morning drenched in sweat, 100 degree fever, and diarrhea all day.
Wonder if this is a herx from upping Humaworm? Although, even with a higher fever, I still don't feel as bad as I did when I had a kidney herx a couple weeks back from Salt/C.
Anyone have other suggestions for dehydration?
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Coconut water is best for dehydration because it contains high potassium needed to balance electrolytes. The sweats and diarrhea are most likely dieoff. This is actually a good sign that the herbs are working.
Hope you feel better.
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Thank you so much Gael!
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aww, your so welcome! Keep us posted and get some rest.
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Does bragg's apple cider vinegar do anything for clearing parasites?
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Not Really. ACV has some good health benefits, but as far as I know won't kill parasites. You need the antiparasitics and salt/c or pharma drugs to kill parasites.
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I just read through a bit of the thread and I have a question.
Last summer, I noticed what looked like corn silks in my...waste. They weren't moving but they were about 3-4 inches long. I'm off all meds right now and just realized while reading this thread that I haven't seen them in months.I've been off abx since Oct.and haven't been doing well lately.
Could those have been parasites? I dug one out with a wood skewer one time and it was stringy amd fibrous. It didn't really look like something that had been alive. But now reading here and seeing pictures, I wonder...
Sorry for the tmi.
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Gael, what is the coconut oil good for? I happen to have some...thanx
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sideways, Sounds like you are describing parasites. I would start some antiparasitics and or salt/c ASAP. Don't let this infection get any worse. These parasites lay eggs on a daily basis.
BBinme,
Coconut oil is antifungal, antibacterial, and antiparasitic. Coconut oil by itself is not enough to get rid of parasites. You need antiparasitic herbs or pharma antiparasitics.
Gael
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Dogmom and CD57, I don't know how I missed your posts! I'm such a zoner right now (getting amalgams out).
I suspect my issue (uti symptoms) was due to microbes being released as the humaworm killed some parasites. I'm now on doxy and ivermectin (just started). Doxy should take care of this.
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Gael, Thanks for starting this thread - I haven't had time to read it all, as I am trying to manage my sick family. I posted separately about my son who has had tourettes for the past 4 months which has worsened over that time.
He had a HUGE increase in his violent tourettes talk on Saturday when we started up another parasite treatment (Caprasite) for him. He was unmanageable - hitting himself in the head and crying and screaming at people for no reason. I just realized - was that the time of the full moon? Perhaps that was why he had his worst herx ever from parasite treatment?! I know he has had them for years so I am convinced we have to do this continuously - the short courses of herbs or ivermectin help in the short term but don't get rid of the problem.
The tricky part is he also has a bad case of CMV/mono and is dizzy and fatigued and nauseous all of the time. Our EDS practitioner says he as autoimmune hepatitis from the mono/EBV. His skin does have a yellow tint. His lyme levels are very low right now so I don't think that is his issue.
He thankfully had a much better day on Sunday and an even better day yesterday. Today he woke up crying and saying he was too tired to walk, as his legs were wobbly. This weakness has been a symptom for the past 3 months. I think it's viral but who knows - it could be the parasites.
Have you all seen set backs with parasite treatment or do you see gradual improvement? I expect, like lyme, there are good days and bad, but I was so sad this morning when he feeling awful again. It is so discouraging. He is a bit better now but still can't go to school.
Also - I was wondering - for salt/C can you dissolve salt in juice and then take a capsule of Vitamin C? Do they have to be taken at the same time? I have been adding salt to my kids' lyme cocktail, which is made with vitamin C as part of it, so I figure that should work. They don't like the taste of the straight vitamin C/salt in water but I can get them to take the salt when it's mixed in with other things.
Thanks,
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Tick battler, where did your son get these parasites do you think?
I also remember you said that your family has been able to knock out bart with cumanda/samento, just wanted to say that's great. How long did that take you?
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The worms come from food we eat but you can get flukes from a mosquito bite or tick bite. Dr. K said that if you have eaten at a restaurant, you have parasites!
I even took some deli ham from Whole Foods to my practitioner for testing because she says never to eat pork due to parasites....and it did have a type of worm larvae on it when she tested it. Haven't had pork since!!!!!
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I had a new symptom appear to me last night, which I have only had once or twice before. I suppose it can be any of the tick borne illnesses. It was nausea! Horrible, throw up nausea for about 15 minutes last night.
Could this be related to the salt/C or just another day in Lymeland?
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tick battler,
Taking the salt in juice and the c capsule should be fine. I feel so sad that your son is so sick. What is the dose of Caprasite you are giving him?
It may be that he can only tolerate granules of the caps. Same with salt/c. Less than 1/8 of a tsp. Seems like you may just have to tip toe into this with him. What do you think?
Gael
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Thanks Gael..
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Tick battler: if I may ask: how are you treating your sons PANS/ PANDAS?
I know you've said your child was on antibiotics, then went to herbals, Lyme infections gone?
Do you think the PANS is now due to parasites?
I don't talk about my daughter here, but we went through PANS- lots of treatments- no lasting remission- Take care--
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BBinme, Your very welcome.
CD57,
sorry you felt so bad and had that vomiting episode. It can be from dieoff.
I used to get very nauseaous at the beginning of treating parasites. Let things calm down and take a break and then resume tx.
How are you feeling?
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Hi Gael- it was CD57 with the vomiting- which I hope has passed, and is not the dreaded flu!
I am having die off still- on salt/C 3x a day, and ACS silver spray 3x a day, and it's hitting.
I am very fatigued, needing sleep during the day, but have started exercising (slowly, low impact) again, which is odd, but good. Yes, I'm herxing, but differently than when I first started.
Treating adrenals, good supplements, all that- Thank you :-)
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surprise,
OOPS! Thanks for catching that. I will change it. Lyemstrategies, suggests when doing salt/c to take a break until the herx calms down. Maybe that would help some with your fatigue. Feel better!
Gael
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surprise - my 6 year old daughter actually has it worse right now...tantrums every night and personality changes and anxiety and terrible behavior. It seems to come and go throughout the day and from day to day but she is never like her old self. Sometimes it takes me hours to get her to do simple things like a bath or her medicine, etc...this never used to happen - she was such an easy child. It breaks my heart every day.
I have an appointment with Dr. L*edited doctor's last name** in MD next week (waited 4 months to get in). I do not plan to do IVIG but want to learn more about the disease from her and learn about her treatments. I know many do long term abx but I do not want to do that again with my children. We have knocked out lyme every year with herbal treatment but then in the summer we all get reinfected by the mosquitos in our area (last year was the worst yet and we counted 8 reinfections in my daughter based on the EDS testing we had). This wreaked havoc on her immune system and she started having PANDAS/PANS symptoms in the fall. She still has a small amount of lyme based on testing but her symptoms now are more PANS. We are trying to move but waiting on my husband's work situation to figure out where to go.
I feel that parasite treatment for my son might be the answer to his PANS. He has already shown improvement in the tourettes with this treatment. We also have to get him over the mono, which I know can also cause PANS. I am hoping this will be the answer to his issues.
My daughter has not shown dramatic improvement on any one treatment so far but she still has a lot of viruses and parasites and bacteria (strep) so we are working on knocking them down. She does have a very high parasite load as well, including the water-bourne parasites from bad well water we all drank last year. We are all still struggling from that. Blastocystis, giardia, cryptosporidium and others have definitely caused bad behavior in all of my children but not to the level my daughter is exhibiting right now.
Who did you see for the PANS and what treatments did you do for your daugheter? Our practitioners think that once you knock out the infections, it should go away. I am hoping that is the case and I plan to do it with natural treatments if possible.
Gael - thanks for your help. My son is taking one caprasite pill in the am and one in the pm. He does get nauseous after it but is not herxing like he did the first day. He tends to herx very bad on the first day of most parasite meds. Normally very emotional.
I saw a LLND who is putting me on Paragen along with staying on Salt/C and Humaworm.
Just wondering if anyone has ever taken Paragen before?
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I am not familiar with it. Who makes it?
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can someone tell me what kind of himalyan pink salt to get...xfine, fine, course...what is best? i brush teeth with it too and could cook with it. thx.
im taking a day to recover from bonescan...think i will start up again tomorrow
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daynise,
Do you mean Paragone? By itself, I didn't find it that strong, but together with the added Humaworm and salt/c it should pack a punch. Let us know how you do with it.
Ip,
I usually buy the fine and use it on food and in cooking. Tastes great! Much better than table salt and much healthier.
Gael
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What do you use for the Vit. C? I have been taking Ester C but not sure if this will be okay to use as it has some extra antioxidants/bioflavanoids.
I will look again at E-Book but sometimes it is nice to hear what others are having better luck with.
I am all set with the pink Himalayan salt.
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I use Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health. Yours sounds like it will be fine. Is it in powder form?
Gael
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Have any of you been diagnosed with mildew along with your parasites?
Went to the naturopathic doc that my LLMD recommended, and he said I have mildew that we need to clear up as well as the parasites.
LLMD pulled all abx for the last two weeks, then the sinus and tooth pain (and tenderness and swelling along one side of my face) arose again, so he put me back on cefdinir.
Are you, any of you, treating your Lyme and parasites simultaneously, or working on mainly the parasites first?
Gotta tell you the first time I saw evidence of flukes and worms, I felt like crying and laughing at the same time. I feel like a living science fiction exhibit right now.
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Have any of you been diagnosed with mildew along with your parasites?
Went to the naturopathic doc that my LLMD recommended, and he said I have mildew that we need to clear up as well as the parasites.
LLMD pulled all abx for the last two weeks, then the sinus and tooth pain (and tenderness and swelling along one side of my face) arose again, so he put me back on cefdinir.
Are you, any of you, treating your Lyme and parasites simultaneously, or working on mainly the parasites first?
Gotta tell you the first time I saw evidence of flukes and worms, I felt like crying and laughing at the same time. I feel like a living science fiction exhibit right now.
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Gael, my ester C is tablet form. I am still trying to figure out whether to order the empty gel caps to put the salt in - or to try and use the mixture method.
Dove, I never heard of mildew in the body. It must be similar to mold?
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I use Ester C (powdered form). I take a lot of vitamin C during the day too (not the powdered).
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After muscle testing me, doc said I have high levels of mildew. Yes, similar to mold spores.
Worked for decades Ina school that had/has mold problems. He said it's most likely that I picked it all up while there.
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I've noticed that when I pass the most, I am sometimes "warned" by a migraine and a fever. Do they have 10, 20, or 30 day cycles of any sort?
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It came in the mail today...I'm scared to start all this stuff at once but the ND said to do it and let him know if anything reacts...
I saw my regular doctor again and I'm still losing weight too fast. I told her about parasites. She said it could be a well established parasitic infection causing weight loss but if I don't stabilize in another month then she advises that I take pharmaceuticals for parasites.
And they are still talking about cancer- now talking about bone cancer or leukemia!!- so I will have to have an MRI and possibly spinal tap if I'm still losing weight and spilling ketones in a month.
She wanted to do the MRI now, but I want to wait. Iknow it's parasites and lyme doing this to me! And my labs are mostly ok- it makes more sense that it'd be lyme/parasites than cancer! Lyme is the great imitator right?
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Daynise, I've lost a lot of weight too. I am positive it is parasites as I have tons of food allergies. I personally would wait on the MRI and pass on a spinal tap. The last MRI I had done, I was told the metals in the dye would pass in my urine. Not.
Do you have any amalgam fillings? I won't do MRIs with dye anymore. Fillings have mercury in them which can prevent the body from detoxing metal if the mercury levels are elevated.
Of course they are going to throw out the C word. They don't have a clue about lyme and parasites. My ketones were high but my LLMD said it was due to fasting for the test (no worries). Follow your gut. I did and just blew my pcp off.
Thanks for posting about Paragen. Please let us know how well it works!
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quote:Originally posted by Catgirl: Follow your gut. I did and just blew my pcp off.
LOL! Thanks for making me laugh.
MRI's are so expensive and they never find anything. It's ALWAYS lyme. And I do not want to get a painful spinal tap done just because they don't have any clue why I'm losing weight...
Thanks for telling me about your weight loss/ketones. I'm sorry you had those symptoms, but it makes me feel better to think it probably is all parasites and I'm already on the right path with that!
No, I don't have amalgam fillings that I know of- those are the silver ones right?
Yes, I'll let you know how the Paragen does!
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Has anyone tried freeze dried garlic/artemisinin suppositories? After a week now on them, today my lower abdominal hurts so bad I can hardly walk. No vomiting or anything just pain. It hurts to even sit on my butt, I have to lay on my side.
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