There is a FB group that has some used chambers and concentrators almost weekly, different brands and Sizes. Just search mild hyperbaric oxygen therapy and the group should appear.
Digby are you selling the Vitarus with the concentrator and extras? I got an email from the yahoo group. I can put it up in the FB group if you want me to post it with your contact info? It’s a closed group.
For post dive die off I always used 2-4 coffee enemas a day and a liquid homeopathic detox that you can find on the internet.
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Hi Peimomma, I couldn't find that closed group. It's a 2011 Vitaeris, just refurbished from OxyHealth. Includes all the accessories plus the inline cooler but no O2 Concentrator. Thanks!!!
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Hominahomina...just saw your question. The best detox for me has been coffee enemas.
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Thanks Digby I also use CE and it helps I was wondering if you could tell me How often you do it ? When in relation to your dive? What concentration of coffee you use? What brand you use ? How you prepare? Do you use any binders and how do you use them? Sorry for all the questions
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Hominahomina....I just use them as needed. Usually not more than every other day but sometimes I'll go weeks without doing one.
I prefer after my dive.
2 tablespoons of ground organic coffee beans to a quart of water. Simmer for 15 minutes, strain and cool.
I don't use binders in relation to a CE. I don't see the need for them.
I don't think there is anything special in the way I do it. Everyone seems to have their own method. The important thing is to clean out the colon and make your liver quiver from the coffee. :^)
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Thanks Digby I use CE after every dive and I use chlorella I don't think I could dive effectively without these
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Any response on this comment from the Townsend letter of 2015
(HBOT) has many exceptional benefits, but it does not kill Babesia or any major tick infection. For example, we financed a study for over $100,000 to determine the ability of HBOT to kill Babesia, Lyme, and Bartonella. Participants received 110 to 120 treatments at 2.4 atmospheres for 90 minutes. There was no change in their indirect or direct lab results http://www.townsendletter.com/July2015/babesia0715_3.htmlPosts: 261 | From California | Registered: Sep 2017
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Hmm, this was written by James Schaller, M.D. who is a bit of a nut case. I'm guessing if there really is a $100K study, it was never published or he would quote the journal. He also doesn't even link to the study, which is weird.
If I could read the study I could comment but I am suspicious of there really being a study.
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Homina~
I have many responses...here are a few:
First, this is a "claim", not a "study". I would very much like to read this "self-funded study", but was unable able to locate it through an online search. I did, however, find many broad and unsubstantiated statements regarding an array of Lyme and coinfection treatments by the same source.
Second, we have gathered through personal experiences and the extensive research done by HBOT expert, Dr. Paul Harch, that high pressure/high dose HBOT (e.g., 2.4 atmospheres for 90 minute sessions) is not recommended for neurological conditions (Lyme is neurological). At high doses, it can actually become immune suppressive, and make neurological conditions worse.
Third, it is recognized that restoration and regulation of host immune function is a more important function of mHBOT than "direct kill" of pathogens when it comes to longstanding recovery, and restoring the immune system routinely takes more than 120 treatments.
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Go Digby
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For those of you that do or did an hour a day Did you take days off or shorten the duration of your dive when the die off was to much or did you push through? Thanks
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I pushed through and increased my CE from 2-3 to 3-4 when the die off was bad. I only took days off if I had a sinus issue pressurizing or was out of town.
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I have to take time off every now and then. It’s just too much even with all the detox things I do. I’ve only had to do so 3 times since I started diving in January but a few days off was definitely needed for me. I’ve been infected for 20 years now and also have bartonella and rickettsia. I wonder if the bacterial load is much higher in me than others but I really have no idea.
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KB I had been misdiagnosed for 25 years when I finally started treatments with the chamber. I have no idea how much my load was because I believe I was given my illness by the Government before my deployment to Desert Storm. If you haven’t read the book Bitten, it was the last piece to my puzzle and solidified for me that they were the givers of my gift that kept on giving for years. I had some very telling information but with all that is written in the book along with info on the net and my own experience I have no doubt I had a GOV infection and no way of knowing all the goodies it contained. They call it Gulf War Illness, but they know they gave us LD.
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Homina~
Are you doing other therapies along with mHBOT?
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Peimomma, I was a military spouse when I got it. The symptoms started showing up while we were stationed in Germany but only after I was bitten by something, twice on the back of my calf. The bites were swollen to about baseball size, red with a white dot in the center but no outer white ring by the time I noticed them after kneeling in the grass and weeding in my little German garden in a little German village. There was no ticks to be seen but there had been lots of tiny spiders running from me so I and the doctor I saw the next day both thought spider bites. He gave me antibiotics but not nearly enough to eradicate Lyme so I think that’s why the symptoms came on so slow. The bug had been reduced and needed time to build up a presence. That was 1999. I suspected something was wrong by 2002 but didn’t know I had something serious until 2004. I wasn’t diagnosed or treated for Lyme until 2013. Abx never did anything for me except give me food intolerance and digestive issues. I did read some of Bitten. Very interesting read but I never finished it. Lyme brain has reduced my cognitive abilities to the point that if what I’m reading doesn’t read like a story I can follow, much of what I read doesn’t stick well. (I think I have the facts right but I’m never sure and I have to swim through my brain to find what I’m looking for, like a long ago memeory.) I need to find the book and read it again.
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KB, I mostly do audio books now due to my busy schedule and the need to multitask. Plus I can check them out from the library again if it didn’t all click the first time. Some I have purchased because I like them enough to listen again and my husband can listen when he wants on his commute time. I never was sick until our vaccinations prior to deploying. Once in country I had all the signs of Lyme, weight loss, neck and joint pain, severe fatigue, diarrhea. I just thought it was a bad gut from the food. No one has put together how troops from all the services stationed in different areas came home with similar symptoms. And let’s not forget that family members began having the very same symptoms.
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I do audio books as well but I retain better in non-fiction if I have the physical book and can flip back to something much easier to refresh my memory but it’s still a pain getting things to stick right now.
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Hominahomina I don’t have to push through now, I haven’t been treating for almost 3 years since going back to work. I’m at 100%, no setbacks. When I was in my first 6 months is when I was pushing through the bad days. I hit a wall at dive 57 and then was herxing for 3-4 months. I would get up and dive, do CE, sleep/rest then do another coffee usually by noon. My herx would start 7-9 hours after my treatment so I tried to get ahead of them with the detox and water intake. I had to introduce a homeopathic liquid detox to help empty my lymph system though.
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Thanks Peimomma What times of the day did you use this and how much?
Phioph Chlorella What do you suggest as far as supplements and diet ?
Thanks
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Most people with chronic illness have genetic issues with their detoxification pathways, so If your diet is low in nutrients and high in inflammatory foods, you can expect that you will not detoxify well.
Optimally, you would want to eliminate foods that place a toxic/metabolic burden on your body, including gluten/grains, dairy, sugar, caffeine, processed foods, bad fats/oils, preservatives, etc.
I would suggest whole, organic foods, good fats (coconut oil, avocados, oily fish like wild caught salmon and sardines), eggs, grass fed beef, and bone/meat broth, soaked and roasted nuts/nut butters, etc.
Depending on the degree of illness, you may need to start with a very basic protocol, like the GAPS diet and later incorporate more of these suggested foods. I'm also not a fan of multiple supplements, especially when you are healing your gut.
This type of nutrition will optimize your pathways of detoxification and provide necessary building blocks for healing the immune system/gut, nerves, etc. Over time, you may find you can tolerate consistent mHBOT better, and don’t require other “detox” methods.
It helps to remember that "Food is Medicine".
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Phoiph I know good diet is important thanks but I know at least one person who recovered from a bacterial infection long standing that did not alter their diet however I don't think it was lyme I know people that use folates and b12 to help their metthylation I think that has helped me
peimomma On that homeopathic remedy Did that really help? I am skeptical of that branch of "medicine" But I am willing to try Thanks
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Was a little disappointed to hear Dr Tania Dempsey state Hbot was not so effective against Bartonella and Lyme Listen and comment if you want About 2/3 in I estimate https://www.betterhealthguy.com/episode106Posts: 261 | From California | Registered: Sep 2017
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Dr. Dempsey is very specific and in depth in her knowledge about many subjects in the podcast, but her comments on HBOT are limited and very general.
In answer to the interviewer's question re whether she was concerned about HBOT worsening Bartonella, as it is an "aerobic" organism, she was not, but she was also not convinced it was that "useful" for Bartonella in her observation on patients that were using it for Bartonella and other conditions.
She then asks the interviewer for his own experience, which he states that he "hasn't been particularly drawn to HBOT", but further shares his own general comments (some of which I disagree).
We have no background on how the subjects of Dr. Dempsey's observation were using HBOT (e.g., dosage, frequency, duration), which we know is crucial to recovery.
Of course, from personal experience, I already know it works for Bartonella.
Homina, in reference to your previous question regarding diet, did you catch her comments that diet is 80% of the program?
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If I recall she also said she did not think Hbot was so good for lyme as well Since I am someone that does Hbot and since there are people here that have had good success using Hbot I would have similar questions as you Phoiph
No I did not catch the comment on 80%
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Homina I was using it twice a day, right after my treatment and then before bed which was about 7 pm back in the day.
Yes, it absolutely helped lesson my load. I use homeopathic remedies often for myself and my dogs. Do not take it if you have coffee, anything minty or strong in odor that would antidote the remedy. They are very fragile and many people don’t understand how to use them and therefore they get no results. We have brought dogs back to life, healed broken bones, healed surgery incisions and removed the pains of many different people. In the hands of a person that uses caution and care when taking them, they are very powerful.
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Peimomma Thanks You mentioned dogs Is there anything you do homeopathic for separation anxiety?
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Homina I actually use CBD oil for my girls anxiety. I tried remedies at first but trying to look at the deeper picture and what remedy fits her profile I gave up and moved to CBD. I use remedies for acute situations and many times anxiety stems from a deeper issue. It would take some time to dose and watch and then decide when to change to a new remedy and try again.
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Peimomma When used the homeopathic formula Did it cause your organs of elimination to work harder? Did you eliminate more? Thanks
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Homina the great thing about remedies is they work very gently when taken correctly. You won’t even notice except to feel better with the toxic load lessening. Keep the water flowing.
Keep me posted if you decide to take it.
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Phoiph, I think it’s mostly a concern when 2 or more people share the chamber but some are saying that CO2 build up can become a issue if you don’t have the right amount of compressors for the size chamber or the right amount of oxygen concentrator per person. I’m just finding it confusing I guess and was wondering if anyone here has heard of this before.
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kaibyrd...I think the CO2 issue is just people looking for something to freak out about.
You not only have the compressor pushing air in at one end of the chamber and the escape valves letting it out the other (much faster than you can breath it) but you are also breathing O2 directly from the oxygen concentrator.
There is no way you will have a build up of CO2. Actually you are more at risk under the sheets in bed, than in your chamber. The only way this could be a problem is in a poorly designed home built chamber.
Please don't worry about this.
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Does or has anyone here used activated charcoal or other binders as a binder in conjunction with your dives If you do or did when did you take it before after?
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I am diving primarily for mold exposure (and resulting ongoing loose stools and food sensitivities). I take activated charcoal and I typically take it after I dive. However, if I've had a mold exposure, I may take more than one dose a day and therefore one dose might be before I dive.
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I recently did my 100th dive. And I wanted to report that all is well.
There is one thing that I'll mention though. I broke a bone in my hand (small metacarple) due to mHBOT. Let me explain. You see, for the last 20 years, I either do not dream, or cannot recall my dreams. I know this is not normal, and shows there is something amiss in my brain. But it was recalcitrant to various treatments, and so I eventually gave up on it and moved on with my life.
Well, guess what happened the night after my very first 5 minute test dive ? Yep. I started dreaming like crazy. I continued to dive for only 5 minutes each day, as I was cautious, and very intrigued by the new development. Sure enough each night, I dreamed like crazy, until on the fifth night, I apparently dreamed too much. I was awakened in the middle of the night by a family member screaming at me, "What are you doing ? !!!". "I don't know", I genuinely replied. Well, it turns out I was up in my sleep punching the wall, very hard, over and over and over.
Once things settled down, we flipped on the light to look at my hand. Mmmmm. It was not pretty. You could see that it hand broken bones just by looking at it. So, I went the doctor the next day, and got an X-ray. Fortunately, I had only broken the small metacarpal bone. They put on a temporary cast and sent me home. And the first thing I did when I got home, despite the protestations of my family, was get right back in my chamber ! In fact, I've not missed a dive yet, and I've not had anymore nocturnal upsets either. (And I should add here, I've never been prone to violence, or had problems with mood disorders.)
I had my last visit with the orthopedic surgeon recently. He said the bone had healed well, and he was pleased with my progress.
So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. IMHO, the morale of the story is: mHBOT is a subtle, but powerful, therapy. Strange things can happen along the way.
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Thanks Carbokitty
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Elsworth, so glad you are seeing progress! And good job hanging in there. I think that would make me think twice about continuing. Certainly understand your family's concern. You must have had a pretty good nightmare stored up. Good for you for not letting the bully get the best of you! ;-)
You are so correct! mHBOT is a subtle, but powerful, therapy.
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Buzzing in the ears It's not really buzzing but that is the best description I have right now When I dive a lot my head buzzes continuously Does this happen to any of you? Is this a detox symptom? Is it a sign I am overdoing it? What can I do about it ?
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I have continuous ringing in my ears. It was there long before I started hbot. There were a couple of times after diving that it was louder but it’s gone back down to normal now.
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Kalbyrd Thanks for responding That is interesting the same with me but the "ringing" seems to be more consistent I wonder why
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