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For me, it could have been the noise from the hbot that increased the ringing. I started wearing ear buds to drown out the constant noise and then I got a silencer a couple weeks ago and that is helping but now I have a faulty release valve that is buzzing really loud. Is your hbot loud?
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I don’t really know then other than our bodies are trying to heal but sometimes that doesn’t feel like healing. I’m kinda new to this and still having lots of problems.
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quote:Originally posted by Kaibyrd: For me, it could have been the noise from the hbot that increased the ringing. I started wearing ear buds to drown out the constant noise and then I got a silencer a couple weeks ago and that is helping but now I have a faulty release valve that is buzzing really loud. Is your hbot loud?
Kaibyrd,
Your exit valve could be clogged with lint. You can GENTLY vacuum it from the inside, making sure you are holding the nozzle a bit away from it, and/or clean out with a Q-tip.
If this doesn't work, the Oxyhealth valves (not sure on others) can be carefully unscrewed from the outside and cleaned.
Also, sometimes just giving the chamber a whack with your hand on the outside near the valve when it is fully inflated will stop the buzzing.
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I called the S2S customer service number and Bruce told me if it’s buzzing that loud (I was in it when I called) that it needs replacing. I’m still waiting to hear back from him though. *drums fingers*
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Maybe it does need to be replaced...you could always troubleshoot in the meantime just in case its an easy (and inexpensive) fix.
Regardless, I would call him back and say you need one sent immediately, as you can't effectively use your chamber in the current state.
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I was thinking of calling him. I have tried several things but nothing helps. I’ll see if I can get a vacuum in there but I have little hope that will do anything. It’s such a loud buzz that it really sounds like a structural issue. Thanks!
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Phoiph, I did call Bruce. He apologized for not getting back to me quicker. I had also sent him photos of my windows in my hbot because they started fogging up last month and are completely fogged over now. He’s sending me a whole new shell!!! Apparently the windows can’t be fixed in these particular hbot shells so I won’t have any down time. He will send the shell first (that will also fix the noise issue) and then he’s sending a mailing label for me to send the old one back. That’s great customer service!!!
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Good to hear!
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Here is an article which suggests why possibly Lyme is so hard to get rid of once it establishes itself in the body It disables the immune system
In Mice "Dr. Nicole Baumgarth of the University of California, Davis. Her work was subsequently published in 2014 and 2015. She showed that after mice were infected, Lyme/Borrelia bacteria migrate to lymph nodes, which are sites where much of the immune response occurs"
"Lyme/Borrelia, thus, goes to lymph nodes to cripple the apparatus that makes the most effective"
Maybe this happens in humans too and maybe as has been mentioned here Hbot restores the disabled immune system so it can fight lyme if this is true How would regular doses of high concentrations of oxygen delivered at high pressure restore the immune system specifically the lymph nodes?
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Homina~
I think it is well accepted that Borrelia attacks and disables the immune system in humans.
So, your question is whether higher pressure/concentrations of oxygen would restore the immune system more effectively than the "low and slow" method?
If you read this thread from start to finish, you will note that that the entire thread is based on the discovery that the "low and slow" method has been more successful (and safer) than the short term, high pressure treatment for overall recovery, and it will become clearer as to why this is so.
Think of high pressure HBOT as an attempted "kill the bugs" method, as with antibiotics. (Note that the article you posted discovered that the "bugs" came back after discontinuing antibiotics).
Think of "low and slow" mHBOT as a healer, regulator, and restorer of immune function (among many other benefits), so it can do its job against the "bugs" long term.
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(Homina, if I didn't understand your question, please clarify...maybe you were asking how hyperbaric restores the immune system in general?)
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If it is true Lyme/Borellia in Humans Attacks the lymph nodes so they can't make IgG which is a more effective antibody
How does Hbot enable the Lymph Nodes to make IgG again or is there some other mechanism that happens to improve the immune system?
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Hi Phoiph, im from Germany and am at page 5 in this Thread. i wanted to ask you if you know any good concentrator brand that delivers 10 LPM with 20 psi here in Europe? I only found one concentrator that delivers 9 LPM and sadly 9.7 psi. To my bad i bought this thing allready but for only 200€. it only has 20000 Hours on the clock so i made a good deal. Can i use this with an mHBOT or will this be useless? It is the "INVACARE Platinum 9"
Do you have any discounts for european users also on chambers or concentrators?
Thanks. Back to reading further in this Thread.
BTW: any other mHBOT German users here?
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Homina~
To better understand how hyperbaric oxygen improves immune function, you must first consider the cascade effects of hypoxia (i.e., low oxygen levels, which can be cause by Lyme and other factors) on the immune and other body systems, as hypoxia, immunity, and inflammation are closely related.
Here's an article which explains the effects of both hypoxia and hyperbaric oxygen in detail:
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Welcome, Broxin!
Your concentrator might be adequate, as the 9.7 psi should (in theory) be strong enough to counter the 4.2 psi backpressure of the chamber.
That said, with a lower psi unit, the backpressure may also lower the LPM flow, so I will check on it this for you with my "concentrator expert".
And yes, you can order concentrators here for shipment overseas, and there are available discounts on chambers. You can PM me for the information if you decide to go that route.
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Broxin,
I heard back from the "concentrator expert."
He believes your concentrator will work with a home chamber. He suggests that you run the concentrator for 4-5 minutes prior to pressurizing your chamber to get it up to speed to handle the back pressure from the chamber.
He also suggests setting the LPM to 9. It will likely drop a bit when the chamber is pressurized, but don't adjust it...just leave it wherever it lands for the duration of the dive.
(Please report back on the LPM reading when the chamber is fully pressurized.)
This is the same way the older Sequal Integra concentrators were/are used, and they have less psi than yours (although they have 10LPM).
I would recommend to have it checked/serviced since there is 20,000 hours on it, just to make sure it is functioning properly and any necessary internal filters, etc., have been changed.
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Ok ill try that. I exchanged all the filters already. I will drive it to a check point and get the concentration and pressure tested.
I dont have a chamber yet but am talking with a woman who has 40 families equipped with an mHBOT in Germany.
She does this because she belives in it and her husband is a diving instructor and doctor. So a awesome combination and a
Sad story. Her son got encephalitis as he was three years old and was completly disabled by that. He recovered a lot with
The mHBOT. As in Germany HBOT is very unknown and its hard to get a hold of a chamber. she made connections everywhere with a lot of companys and tries to get the word out, quite like
What you do in here for the american side She recommended "Summit to Sea" over the oxyhealth one, because 1. it is way more affordable, 2. the zipper is usable even if you are a small woman. The Oxyhealth is very rigid and hard to close by oneself if you are in the chamber.
That are her experiences.
Added to that, sadly she cant recommend Summit to Sea anymore, as the quality plummeted very badly and three customers one after another got holes in the new S2S chambers where the air was leaking and the customer support also got really bad.
She is on the search for a new company. She found one chinese direct importer company that is on par with the old quality of Summit to Sea chambers. I dont know the name of the brand though.
So ill gather information and parts slowly and hope for a used S2S chamber from one of those families she supplied years ago (she does this for like 12 years and showed me the map of all those families)
I have lyme diagnosed two months ago and am not on any abx, although in my lyme group everyone pushes me to take them allready... but im sceptical of abx and try for years to keep whatever i have at bay with all kinds of natural and alternatives. I dont want to make it better to make it worse with those abx.
I have 5 strains of lyme tested. All igGs positive (didnt test lyme igMs) And i have a LOT of co infections. Babs barts... ebv vzv cmv One thing that frightens me is toxoplasmosis. Its high, even the igM... you have any info from users with toxoplasmosis and mHBOT?
What would YOU do Phoiph?
Would you go on an extreme abx route? I have all the prescriptions for an very aggressive abx therapy plan given me by an LLMD here.
At this point, i had really every sympthom in the book. The most frightening is my eyesight gets worse on both eyes, left one in the far and right one in the near *sigh* more the left one. Stinging Pain behind the eyes. Dizzyness, confused sometimes, dementialIke sympthoms, shakyness, also shaky eyes and doublevision to the sides (due to eyemuscle pain i guess) And a new thing are jointpains everywhere (might be herx due to different stuff im trying like vitC/Salt and other form of alternative treatment.
I hope my joints wont get damaged prrmanently as it also started as i begun working out recently. (Oh and after i got an 10ml igG shot from the LLMD doctor, as he told me it should be done if my viral load is high (i think i shouldnd done that as it started the jointpains immediately)
I also do saunas every day/second day to detox and strengthen immune system.
Ok enough written Maybe youll find some time to answer some of my questions
Bye
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Broxin~
You were diagnosed 2 months ago, but how long ago did you start having symptoms?
Also, I know of a private party here that may ship you a chamber overseas.
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Broxin,
You said you were positive on 5 strains of Lyme. Was Garinii one of them? (This is the strain I had).
I was also sick for about 1.5 years before diagnosis, as you have been.
I would not ever tell someone not to do antibiotics, I can only share my experience with them.
I did 9 months of IV (and other) antibiotics, antimicrobials, etc., after I was diagnosed 1.5 years after symptoms began. The antibiotics made me more ill (further destroyed my gut/immune sytem). I was told that I was worsening due to "herxing", but I did not recover from the so-called "herxing", I just continued to get worse.
When I discovered and began mHBOT years later, I was still positive for Garinii, Babesia and Bartonella (on blood smear), myriad other pathogens, and sicker than ever.
It was consistent mHBOT, diet, and gradual exercise (all 3 are crucial) over a couple of years that cured me.
It took a long time for me to understand that because my condition was "Chronic Lyme", unfortunately, it was no longer about "killing the bugs" (I had missed that window, thanks to failure to diagnose), but was about recovering my immune system so it could do its job.
I will PM you info about chamber options for overseas.
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Yes Garinii was one of them. Ill post my infection profile later so you have a rough picture of my viral/bacterial load
I am very lucky i got an rarely used summit to sea chamber for 3300€ here in Germany. If im being honest i could not afford to pay more. Still thank you for your help in reaching out.
Can you tell me if its dangerous to dive at 1.45 - 1.5ata and put oxygen to the chamber? Ive heard it could result in a fire in the chamber because compressed oxygen is highly inflamable so i didnt try it yet.
I have done my first 60 min dive at 1.45 ata yesterday.
Weirdly the air was really humid and the chamber walls were dripping wet, maybe because its cold outside the chamber?
Also i took a small plastic bottle half filled with water and drank that as the chamber started to fill. This way it was way easier for me to gulp and release the pressure that builds up in the ears.
One must be cautious though. If i would not have pressed out half of the air out from the bottle before deflating the chamber, the bottle would have bursted. Better to not close the bottle at all.
Broxin
Btw i wanted to start at 1.3 ata with different pressure valves that are included but thought to simply jump into it and go for the 1.45-1.5 ata valves without oxygen first.
I dont know if its to much for my body, wanted to start slow:
60 min 7 days a week A week at 1.3 without oxygen A week at 1.45 without oxygen A week at 1.3 with oxygen Then for the rest of dives 1.45 with oxygen.
Would that be necessary or can one just start at 1.45 with oxygen? How are the testimonials from users? Im at page 9 in this thread... so much to read
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Hi, Broxin! Welcome. I tried starting for an hour at 1.3. But found that too much. So I ramped up from 30 minutes to 60. Once I reached 60 minutes, I went from just letting the oxygen flow into the chamber to putting the mask on at the end of the dive. Slowly increasing the time I had it on until I reached the 60 minutes. I was able to increase the oxygen by 10 minute segments. But I know people who struggle with adding 5 minutes. So it is very individual. I will post the ramping up schedule.
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mHBOT Diving Schedule (for those just starting out) TANYA THORLAKSON REY·MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2016·
Week 1
Days 1-3: 20 minute dive at full pressure (not counting compression and decompression time). Do not wear the mask, but set it down inside the chamber so the oxygen is flowing in, mixing with compressed air.
Days 4-7: If no major reactions are happening, increase full pressure time to 40 minutes. If having previous reaction, stay at 20 minutes (still no mask; just let oxygen flow in and mix with compressed air).
Week 2
Days 1-3: If no major reactions, increase full pressure time to 60 minutes. If having a previous reaction, stay at 40 minutes (still no mask).
Days 4-7: If no major reaction, continue with full pressure 60 minute dive, wearing mask for 20 minutes, and laying it down in the chamber for the rest of the dive. (If having reaction, don't move forward; stay at last step!)
Week 3
Days 1-3: Continue 60 minute dive, wearing mask for 40 minutes, and laying it down in the chamber for the rest of the dive.
Days 4-7: Continue 60 minute dive, wearing mask for entire 60 minutes.
Again...don't move forward to the next step until you're not having major reactions. It is best to move up slowly so your body has time to detoxify and adjust.
You don't need to wear the mask while you compress (so you can clear your ears freely), but do wear it when you decompress.
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Please follow the schedule kgg has provided. I didn’t remember this forum, much less this thread was here until I was a couple weeks into diving at an hour with full oxygen mask time at 1.3. I crashed hard and had to start over slowly.
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Broxin~
I agree with the above schedule (actually, I wrote it for Tanya for her own personal use), but it does apply to many people (not all though).
Be sure to go slower if need be. You can also take your time working up to full pressure if necessary (especially if your ears don't clear). Be sure to reduce pressure immediately, and stay at a lower pressure for that dive if you feel any pain in your ears (pressure is OK, pain is not).
I also think that this may not be the time to do strenuous exercise, but gentle, graded movement (like yoga, walking, etc.) is good.
Resist the urge to add a lot of other detox therapies, especially at first. Give mHBOT time to do its job. Focus on mHBOT, diet, and graded exercise.
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today i have sinus pain in the front of my nose. If i chew it hurts like the nose was broken :/ I had a cough the last week, maybe the sinuses are still filled with some goo...
Anyone experienced that? Will sinus pain go away if i take a break from dives or could i have done permanent damage?
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Broxin,
You shouldn't dive when you have sinus or ear congestion.
Also, re diving 1.3 vs. 1.45 ATA, you may be able to handle the higher pressure at some point later on in your treatment, but I agree with Kaibyrd's advice to be cautious for now.
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Hello All About two weeks ago I fell off a ladder and hit the ground pretty hard on my tailbone back and head
It knocked the air out of me and for a day or two after I had waves of nasea
What puzzles me is while my back is getting better I feel very fatigued with a lot of brain fog very little energy like I have the flue without the fever
This is not exactly a lyme question but could Lyme be involved here and how long will it take me to get back to my normal sick self Thanks
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Brozin I am continuing to dive I am not sure I should But will play it by ear
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As ive read mhbot is good for all kinds of traumatic injuries so i think its good you are continuing to doing them.
I think such an heavy injury needs time to heal. All kinds of stuff could have gone bad as you fell. So give it time i would say. Doesnt have to be lyme related.
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I am sorry that you had quite the fall, Hominahomina. Did you get checked out for a concussion? The nausea makes me think of the nausea you can get with a head injury. I have also heard of Lyme resurfacing after accidents.
Meanwhile there a many people on the FB group that are people with TBIs. And they are using mild hyperbaric as treatment with success.
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The Hbot does seems to help me feel better in the lower back buttocks area where the most impact occured
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Can the inner zipper of the chamber be lubricated somehow?
I don't want to use oil as I've heard that any lubricant should be avoided if pure oxygen comes in contact Phoiph you have any info in this direction?
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Homina, the "Dive" from "Summit 2 Sea" Its not that the zipper works bad, its just that i want prevent it to wear out and lubricate it a little.
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quote:Originally posted by Hominahomina: I would like to know too
What chamber do you have?
So I found after some research an uninflamable (that's important) certified for use on devices that work with oxygen, a lubricant named "Klüberalpha YV 93-302" It's very expensive but very secure to use (can't cause selfignition if in contact with oxygen)
Divers use it for their equipment I don't know if 4g is enough for the whole inner zipper. I'll order it.
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Broxin,
I would not use anything on your chamber without contacting the manufacturer.
They sell zipper lubricant and zipper cleaner for $7 per tube.
You can contact them with questions or orders via email on their website:
In my experience the fatigue is from detox. If I have more to detox, my liver can't keep up and I am more tired. You are detoxing both from the injury to your tailbone as well as possible injury to your brain.
In my experience, reducing my time in the chamber helps my liver keep up or catch up and my energy gets better. Just a thought.
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Here's an article on the differences in how HBOT, Exercising With Oxygen Therapy (EWOT) and mHBOT work.
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Thanks Cass A The article says Hbot acts as a natural antibiotic I think that is true Isn't is also true that Lyme knows how to hide from antibiotics? I wonder if this is true for Hbot? Thanks
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Thanks for the article, Cass A. A lot of people think EWOT is the same as hyperbaric, so it was nice to see the differences explained.
Homina~
Most antibiotics can only go as far as your circulatory system can take them.
In many people with Lyme and other chronic conditions, circulation is poor. This gives Lyme the opportunity to go deep into tissues and evade antibiotics.
With mHBOT, oxygen (a natural antibiotic) is pushed deeper into your tissues due to the pressure, and goes beyond the reach of your circulatory system.
More importantly, it improves and supports your own immune and other body systems (unlike antibiotics, which disrupt/destroy gut biome, the seat of your immune system).
That said, of course antibiotics are life saving and necessary for many infections, and can be effective for recent Lyme and co-infections.
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Glad to be of help!
As for Lyme persisting in areas that are not reached by the blood supply, I found out about that making a BIG difference when my LLMD injected ozone into the areas of my mouth where tonsils used to be---and had pus spurt out!! The result of that and adjunct treatments with IV Vitamin C, etc., produced the greatest benefit of any therapy I'd done before that!
I'm still in the research mode, with my most recent therapies having plateaued. This thread is being very important to me.
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