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when you mean the husband, do you mean the one out in the pnw or was/is he part of the other two groups/individuals that went over (there were 3 total on this board, i am not inquiring about the pnw couple, we know of their successes!).
there was one who was over there but came back symptomatic and one whose child came back feeling symptomatic as well. did they improve once they tackled things after returning to the usa? thanks again john
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John, the husband I am talking about is not the Pacific NW hubby .... he's the other one who came back symptomatic. He is seeing improvement with the other recommended treatments. I don't know specifics.
The third, I know nothing about.
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Well folks - I leave for Germany in just about two weeks. 6goofy, steelbone and I were all hoping to have a lymie party there but they couldn't get in the same time as me
I am antibiotic free for three weeks and feeling quite well most days. Extremely well on some days.
I will do my best to keep you posted while I am there.
In case anyone has unreasonable expectations - I want to let you know in advance that I am missing 1/4 of a vertebrae from a compression fracture that the bugs have been loving and will most likely be doing some metal detoxing when I get back.
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Best wishes in Germany and keep us posted when you are not consuming ale in the pubs!
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Sorry, Hiker and Nano, there is no ale and there are no pubs in Germany. They haven't quite made it across the channel yet. But do pick out a nice Konditorei -- there are several, one a mile or two down the winding road in the famous spa from where you are staying -- heavenly! Don't miss it.
Our car found it blindfolded!
Take care.
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Sorry, Gigi, I used the wrong terminology. All I know is I enjoyed the beer when I was in Germany many years ago. Of course the wine was excellent as well. Hiker53
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Did you say famous spa??? I'm a lot more interested in that than beer!!! (and beer put me through college .... no, I didn't drink it, Dad sold it, LOL).
GiGi, I've been listening to German tapes. I thought it might be nice to at least know the basics when I'm there! How much can I learn in two months, LOL.
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Good luck in germany Nanadubo.
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Are you doing the treatment in Germany or bringing a unit back? Are they allowing them into the US now? If so, would you be willing to educate those of us here who can't travel to Germany on the Bionic 880?
If it really does work, it needs to find its way into the US. Any smugglers on lymenet?
Or at least certainly let us know if it worked for you!
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Yeah, I plan on it.
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Six, that is not correct. We did not have to pay any duty on the instrument. I explained that on my original post.
When returning home we declared the Bionic 880 on the required Customs form, with exactly the amount we paid for the instrument.
We did not, however, have to pay any duty on the instrument. We told the customs officer that it is for our own use and not for resale.
I am sure that our first instrument did not come through when I originally had it sent because of some fluke. Nobody could explain why it was just sitting there going nowhere; so I got tired of waiting and had it returned to the sender.
For an instrument that is not for sale and for self-use only, with the proper identification as a light type tool for self use and pain control, there is little or no duty. If I had to do it over again and did not have the means to go overthere to bring it back, I would have it shipped again. The identification is important. I would not label it as an infrared light or any such thing. The shipper should assist in giving it the proper name, so that it doesn't look like a dangerous instrument.
Hundreds or thousands of such lights come into the country every day. If there is duty, it is minimal. It costs less than anyone purchasing one in Germany because if shipped or taken out personally there is no Value Added Tax of 19% to be paid. The shipper has to clear it through German export to exclude that tax from what the foreigner pays.
If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me personally. [email protected]
I have become very reluctant reporting anything here because of the "bad press" I received when I first posted about the success of the Bionic treatment. It was disgusting.
Let me reassure you, the instrument works eradicating Lyme.. If you have any problem remaining after treatment that has been done exactly to protocol it most likely is caused by other than Lyme or co-infections.
One thing that has to be addressed for certain is that if your back and neck is out of alignment and structural problems persist, that needs to be corrected. Dr. W. is fully equipped for that because he finds that to be a major problem. If you have been forced to walk a different way because pain kept you from doing it the way nature had intended, the outflow of toxins is hindered. Our CNS/spine is a major roadway. The energy has to be flowing from occiput to butt, but often the heavy metals are more of a problem there than Lyme. If you don't think you have a heavy metal problem and just Lyme, think again. I have posted on that for the last eight years. There is no way around it. If you live on this planet, metal contamination is a problem for the majority of ill people.
We use the tool often, but especially for heavy metal detox now. My husband had to have two extra Lyme treatments after the six he received in Germany. That is one reason why Dr. W. has patients coming back once a months for at least four months to make certain all Lyme is gone. All the people in Germany I have talked with had to do this. None I talked with had a relapse of any sort. Now my husband as well as I am lymefree for over a month. He is a different man today than he was two-three months ago.
We are using the instrument for hormone balancing, and for treating anything else that should not be in the body, such as heavy metals. My husband tested positive for polio (from vaccines, I am certain) that raised its ugly head years ago and now again. I treat it in the same manner I treat Lyme with the proper nosodes. Epstein Barr used to be a big problem for him, but it seems to be gone, without extra treatment. Just the proper setting on the Bionic and Lyme nosodes.
Everything I do, if I do not have an ART person available, I use my Biotensor which I was taught by Dr. W. and it works great. When I do not have a third person to do ART testing and have done it without, the results always agree 100% with my Biotensor testing. We have not had to pay a doctor bill since we returned -- that is great news. And my husband is steadily improving. From the ten or so different toxic metals that I used to find when testing him, now I find three or four. All good things take time. At his age, that is a miracle.
Take care.
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Gigi, you give us all something to look forward to and a bit of light in this often difficult journey. Thanks for sharing all that you do. It means the world to many of us.
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Gigi, Thank you so much for sharing information about your treatment successes with the Bionic 880.
Your story is so encouraging and it gives me hope.
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Sorry GiGi, I was just going by memory and sometimes it's not very good. I'll correct my post.
My mom had "infantile paralysis", now called Polio, when she was a child. That along with the vaccine ... I am sure I'd test positive for it. She actually had no ongoing physical disabilities .... at 68 she even teaches Jazzercise.
Did you get nosodes for Polio? How did you test for that?
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quote:Did you get nosodes for Polio? How did you test for that? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What a great Mom!
Six, I tested with ART and/or Biotensor; or if you have access to EAV, Biocom, etc. Usually I come up with same results using ART or Biotensor. With ART, one should have 3 people (tester, middle person, and testee (patient or client) These methods are now used all over the world. Good training and healthy energy is important. Energy medicine at its best. Even Dr. Oz and Oprah talked today about Energy Medicine! Yes, and I use Polio nosodes.
I treat it because it may be an obstacle for the body releasing other unwanteds. It had been showing up in my husband on and off for many years, and now with the Bionic it is gone, just as the Lyme is gone including all co-infections. Very gone!
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: Six the 660nm reduces pain the 880nm does not.
That's interesting that you describe using the 660nm light to decrease pain. I've had a three-light 660 nm Trilight hand-held unit for many years (also comes as one light or multiple-light wand). When I've waved it over swollen joints, the pain goes down.
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Thanks, GiGi. I do plan on learning some kind of energy testing. I know the very basics. I can have my husband test me for basic things. I can test my kids. But I need to learn more for the Bionic.
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I ordered the Biotensor Gigi talks about. It will be waiting for me in Germany. Most of the books I have been able to find are in German - except for one or two.
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Nano, how much did it cost and do I need to order it before I go or can I get it while I'm over there? Thanks.
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Robin123 -- I'm glad you had a positive experience using LWRKS at 660nm and could relate to it. 880nm is powerful as well especially for lyme, I'm convinced after using the lightworks. Which is an underpowered version of the bionic 880 or the lumina 900 by heliohealth still be very helpful. I am interested in the more powerful units.
I think in the end we'll find that a combination of light wave frequencies is best. As long as they are energetically tested specific to the person.
Thinking out loud, these are my evalution of frequencies, 450nm for about 10 minutes a day over the naval (UV-A). To do blood irradiation of pathogens. 660nm (630nm is probably better) targets to places of severe pain for inflammation relieve and cell regeneration & repair. 880nm for energetic stimulation of cells as well as regeneration but different then 660nm as well as detoxification. 1072nm used in the helmet for actually killing pathogens directly (this is a guess) based on the use of led helmet so far and research papers I've read. 1072nm for detoxification not sure about cell regeneration or repair. It might be a good guess it would do neural regeneration.
My point is what we are discovering the value of frequencie other then just 880, and like robin123, 660nm has been wonderful for my tennis elbow (630nm) is probably better.
The question is to figure the best combination and to get practioners savvy enough to energetically test for it.
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bioplasma.de About $350 US You can also get it at Dr. W office as I understand.
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They aren't as fancy as the German Biotensors but they probably work well with a little practice. There's one around $25.
I just use a pendulum... I'm used to using it.
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It just so happened that I got my biotensor www.bioplasma.de while at Dr. W. I merely got the brand name he uses and did my own ordering there when I happened to be at his office. Unfortunately, at that time I could not pay for the tensor with credit card. Bioplasma does not take them. People do not pay with credit cards as we do here in this country. So you have to make other arrangements. Dr. W.'s office has nothing to do with it - it happens that Dr. W. uses the same one for a number of years and that's the one that felt good to me after having tried numerous others over the years. It is an extremely well made and very sensitive one, which is not the case with many others I had tried. So it depends on what your aim is. I am after fine and accurate testing, percentage testing, etc. and that's why I chose the more expensive kind. I am guarding it and will be using it for many years.
So please check around if you decide to get a biotensor.
Take care.
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does dr. k know about the bionic yet, GiGi? do you think he might purchase one for his office? i know A.R. was recently in europe; i wonder if she investigated the bionic while there. i'm not sure, as i haven't spoken to her about it yet.
quote:Originally posted by NanaDubo: Well folks - I leave for Germany in just about two weeks. 6goofy, steelbone and I were all hoping to have a lymie party there but they couldn't get in the same time as me
I am antibiotic free for three weeks and feeling quite well most days. Extremely well on some days.
I will do my best to keep you posted while I am there.
Any news from NanaDubo on how the treatment is going? I am anxiously awaiting more reports!
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: You may want to look into the Bionic 880 treatment by Dr. W. in Germany or by some of the other doctors listed. www.biophoton.de And someone may soon have the instrument in England.
I would love to know more about a Biophoton practitioner in England. GiGi, do you happen to know whereabouts in England? I am far too ill to travel alone to Germany but have family in the UK who might be able to assist me if I was able to go there for treatment.
I know there is a Bionic 880 distributor located just outside of Nottingham and that is very close to my father's hometown (one of my Aunts still lives there)...
You might also write the manufacturer, www.biophotons.de and ask there. The instrument is being sold to a number of foreign countries in Europe and some other doctor/practitioners may have one in the meantime also.
I hope you grab the opportunity when you can -- there is nothing better than at last being totally lymefree. If you have other problems causing some of your "condition", they are often easier to address once the Lyme and accompanying co-infections and other pathogens are eliminated.
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Thank you GiGi and Sparkle7 for your responses. I have sent an email to the ART practitioner in Sussex, asking if he has the machine yet. If I hear back from him, I'll let you all know what he says.
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I have received a reply back from the ART practitioner in Sussex, England. He does not have a Bionic 880 yet but is looking into it. This is part of what he wrote back to me:
"I am most interested in the Bionic 880 and would like to learn more from Dr Klinghardt who is investigating it at present. I do not presently have or use one of these machines, but may do in the future. Please let me know your experience with the 880."
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God bless those on the trip to Germany. Will be interesting to know more about treatment by Bionics 880.
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The Lightworks LED with nosodes process is working, folks. I think we're talking cure.
If I had the funds and the language, I'd be spending a month in Germany with Dr. Woitzel, just begging to listen and observe his technique and process.
I've been using the inspiration of his work to develop a process that can work for me with what I have available.
I am certain that Woitzel's process and technique is far superior than anything I am doing, and that his results more profound, yet what I am doing is working.
I am seeing an expert in Applied Kinesiology to help me detect lyme in my body, and to figure out how best to treat using lyme nosodes and light.
A couple of weeks ago we detected lyme in the left kidney.
Treatment was to be five sessions (three days a week) of 880 near infrared B setting 15 seconds per session with two drops of DB LYM under the tongue or the bottle held against the body (I took the drops.)
In addition, I treat crown of head, forehead, back of head, thyroid, solar plexus, just below navel, and inside wrists and ankles, for under 30 seconds each.
I herxed hard after the first and second session with nosodes as directed, then felt better.
Appointment yesterday detected a clear kidney. I had him do a full scan of each organ, and lyme was detected in the liver. I'll do the same process.
Muscle testing showed that the nosode by itself would not be helpful, but would be helpful in conjunction with the LED.
I am also in the process of treating a strep infection in the nose and sinuses and gums with a strep nosode and LED.
I started all this process in a state of wellness. I can only imagine doing this in the state of illness I was in a year and a half ago. I imagine the herx, and need to detox might have been pretty overwhelming.
So long and short of it is, my experience tells me that lyme can be effectively treated with Lightworks and nosodes.
The trick is to find somebody to work with who can asist in the process, or to become an expert with the Biotensor or some such instrument yourself.
I am pretty well experienced in muscle testing and natural health, but I wouldn't want to do this alone!
I am fond of saying that any technique is only as good as the practitioner! I'm excited for those of you going to Germany to work with the best, and for those of you with access to the Bionic 880!
If I'd done this earlier, I would probably have needed lots of support with mercury and liver detox as well.
My practitioner is quite an expert in Kinesiology, yet I sometimes get the impression that he thinks I am over-reacting about finding every last lyme bug. Maybe just my imagination.
I have to be persistent in asking for more searching and more answers. You and I know that we don't want to leave any stone unturned with this critter!
I'm beginning to help some local people with this process. I'll keep you posted with any significant results.
Thanks everybody who helped point me in this direction.
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This is very exciting, Bejoy!!! Thanks for posting.
My life has been in a state of emergency for the past 2 years. I was very low in money & we've been going through a great deal of stress. I just didn't have the mind set to do it in any coherent way.
I just had the belief that 880 nM wavelength was light & that I can do it...
I really think what I did with the LightWorks made a dramatic difference in my health. It wasn't easy but it's working. I feel alot better but I still have some issues to deal with.
We've been needing to move from this place where I am now but I was just too ill to deal with it. Now, I'm able to pack & get things going. I never would have been able to deal with this if I didn't use the LightWorks.
I had no money to go to Germany. I think it's great that people here are doing that but it just wasn't a possibility for me at this time.
All of us working together as a collective can do this! We can crack the Lyme code... with the help of GiGi, Nanodubo, 6goofykids, Bob in MD, Dr. W & everyone else adding their experiences.
Everyone should have access to the technology so they can get well from this hellish disease.
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Thanks for sharing your experience Bejoy, that is so encouraging .... I can't wait to go!!!
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I suspect it is important to have Mg sulfate "available" in the system so when ATP is made, it will drive Mg back into the oxygen starved cell to react with CO2 as Bb needs CO2.
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Home use...take an epsom salt bath first...perhaps.
I was wondering... say the bionic treatment does eradicate the lyme completely. What about co-infections? TerryK posted earlier saying bartonella and babs usually have to addressed BEFORE the lyme. I'm considering going to germany if a few more positive reports come in, but I for sure have babs and bartonella too and I'm wondering how getting rid of the lyme would effect treatment of those co-infections.
Any input?
thanks, joey
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MOjoey, Lyme Disease is eradicated 100%, that means all co-infections as we know them are also gone. In fact, my husband still had an occasional Epstein Barr Virus showing before the Bionic880 treatment - all of that is also gone. Not a sign of any of them. Except now getting rid of heavy metals which seemed to now come from nowhere, i.e. they are much easier to bring out, but they need attention to avoid reabsorption.
There is not a single biochemical involved in the treatment of eradication. Simply nosodes and photons with certain powers. No specific organs are searched for or addressed: simply the light is applied, to all organ points at each treatment, the photons take off and head for the area where they are needed, clearing out the cell and reactivating the immune system. Bad stuff out, good stuff can enter again.
Marnie, you can forget all the biochemistry that you so love. It is not needed for that treatment. It is simply physics at initiating what the body can do best.
Any IV's that follows the photon treatments to help certain very toxic people, and in order to make it easier for them, consists of several homeopathic forms of drainage remedies. They are not the same for everyone.
All I can say, if you have the means, go for it. Or share in Bob/Maryland's group endeavour. It wasn't easy for us either, but it is unbelievable what it does knowing that Lyme is gone for good.
The Bionic880 can be leased by licensed professionals within Germany - not outside the country. I know one doctor who owns one and leases two to accomodate patients.
The Bionic880 can be used for a multitude of different applications. I am treating my husband's blood at this time for possible allergic reactions to certain toxins. I am learning something new every day and the people I can contact are very generous and sharing.
I learned that a headache - with the right frequency - disappears within minutes with photon applications. I woke up with one the other day - ten minutes of light, selected frequencies and intensity selected with my Biotensor -- headache gone.
I hope all of you can share in this treatment method someday, somehow. It took a few years of trials to become truly a successful method to eradicate Lyme. I hope people are not going to destroy it by altering it to suit their needs. This is done with ART all the time - and it simply is not effective and true ART any longer and the next thing you hear "it doesn't work".
All I can say, if you have the means, go for it. Or share in Bob/Maryland's group endeavour. It wasn't easy for us either, but it is unbelievable what it does knowing that Lyme is gone for good.
Take care.
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Gigi- I respect you but I just don't agree that the only way to do it is with the Bionic 880 & Dr. W....
I've tried it on my own & it's worked by using the LightWorks. It didn't "derange" my system & I'm carefully detoxifying. I am continuing to get better & better, too.
You may know alot but I don't think you are qualified to say that alternate treatments to the Bionic 880 do not work. There have been no double blind studies done comparing the 2 devices or other infrared devices.
It's nice to have guidance but I'm not going to sit around here doing nothing when I could be getting well by my own means.
It's great for those who can go to Germany & I wish them all well. I'm not one to complain but one day I will be well & be able to afford the treatment in Germany. I may not need it then...
I guess time will tell. In the mean time, I hope people using any of these methods with infrared light, homeopathy, supplements, energetic testing, etc. will still keep posting their findings.
We can all continue to learn from everyone's experience. No one has a patent on these technologies - they may like to, though.
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Sparkle, please read what I said and have said many times before.
I was well long before we went to Germany. There are thousands of other programs and protocols and therapies that can be eventually effective. But it took me years to do it and a lot more money to do it.
The Bionic 880/Dr.W. protocol works in three weeks - for the majority of patients, as long as the diagnosis was correct and all other "rules" are adhered to.
Please do whatever you want to do - I am not trying to stop you. Read again what I said.
I wish you continued success.
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I think people are just waiting to see what the report is from some familiar people from this message board. Since several people are trying it out. We will know from their experience if it's worth the money.
For some people, it's not that hard to come up with $5,000 -$15,000 for the treatment & to buy the device. For others, it's almost impossible...
When you first started mentioning about this treatment, GiGi, I researched it. There just wasn't alot of people saying that the Bionic 880 cured them on European message boards. There is alot of ridicule of people using light for healing.
To me, if people were being cured - I would think some of these people would be talking about it on the internet. I just didn't see it. So, my attitude is to proceed with caution.
I did the research of scientific studies & using light for healing sounds promising. That's why I decided to spend $300 on the LightWorks to see what would happen.
I'm just not convinced that the devices are all that different. It will be interesting to see how people faire who have tried both devices - or to just get some reports from people who we "know" here from their posts on Lymenet.
I can see that spending $5,000 to go to Germany is better than muddling around going from doctor to doctor here & spending $30,000 or more. Many of us would like to hear about or see more proof that it really does "cure" Lyme.
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I think people are just waiting to see what the report is from some familiar people from this message board. Since several people are trying it out. We will know from their experience if it's worth the money.
For some people, it's not that hard to come up with $5,000 -$15,000 for the treatment & to buy the device. For others, it's almost impossible...
When you first started mentioning about this treatment, GiGi, I researched it. There just wasn't alot of people saying that the Bionic 880 cured them on European message boards. There is alot of ridicule of people using light for healing.
To me, if people were being cured - I would think some of these people would be talking about it on the internet. I just didn't see it. So, my attitude is to proceed with caution.
I did the research of scientific studies & using light for healing sounds promising. That's why I decided to spend $300 on the LightWorks to see what would happen.
I'm just not convinced that the devices are all that different. It will be interesting to see how people faire who have tried both devices - or to just get some reports from people who we "know" here from their posts on Lymenet.
I can see that spending $5,000 to go to Germany is better than muddling around going from doctor to doctor here & spending $30,000 or more. Many of us would like to hear about or see more proof that it really does "cure" Lyme.
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I think people are just waiting to see what the report is from some familiar people from this message board. Since several people are trying it out. We will know from their experience if it's worth the money.
For some people, it's not that hard to come up with $5,000 -$15,000 for the treatment & to buy the device. For others, it's almost impossible...
When you first started mentioning about this treatment, GiGi, I researched it. There just wasn't alot of people saying that the Bionic 880 cured them on European message boards. There is alot of ridicule of people using light for healing.
To me, if people were being cured - I would think some of these people would be talking about it on the internet. I just didn't see it. So, my attitude is to proceed with caution.
I did the research of scientific studies & using light for healing sounds promising. That's why I decided to spend $300 on the LightWorks to see what would happen.
I'm just not convinced that the devices are all that different. It will be interesting to see how people faire who have tried both devices - or to just get some reports from people who we "know" here from their posts on Lymenet.
I can see that spending $5,000 to go to Germany is better than muddling around going from doctor to doctor here & spending $30,000 or more. Many of us would like to hear about or see more proof that it really does "cure" Lyme.
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sparkle7
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I think people are just waiting to see what the report is from some familiar people from this message board. Since several people are trying it out. We will know from their experience if it's worth the money.
For some people, it's not that hard to come up with $5,000 -$15,000 for the treatment & to buy the device. For others, it's almost impossible...
When you first started mentioning about this treatment, GiGi, I researched it. There just wasn't alot of people saying that the Bionic 880 cured them on European message boards. There is alot of ridicule of people using light for healing.
To me, if people were being cured - I would think some of these people would be talking about it on the internet. I just didn't see it. So, my attitude is to proceed with caution.
I did the research of scientific studies & using light for healing sounds promising. That's why I decided to spend $300 on the LightWorks to see what would happen.
I'm just not convinced that the devices are all that different. It will be interesting to see how people faire who have tried both devices - or to just get some reports from people who we "know" here from their posts on Lymenet.
I can see that spending $5,000 to go to Germany is better than muddling around going from doctor to doctor here & spending $30,000 or more. Many of us would like to hear about or see more proof that it really does "cure" Lyme.
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