Topic: Bionic 880 thread - promise I won't delete it
sixgoofykids
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No Cowden herbs WHILE treating with the photons .... but you CAN treat with them till you go.
Yes, I think the body needs rebuilding. I think we're imbalanced in many ways and need to make ourselves stronger. I do think the light was the most effective treatment for me thus far, but I still seem to be clinging to the babs and bart .... so, obviously, I need to address something else.
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lymie_in_md
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LP -- A combination of freeze dried garlic, MMS, and triphala (5 days on 2 days off) might be a good start. The MMS does work and works better if you have lightworks or some other LED until you go. You might go with the PE1 and have Dr. W. test it. If Dr. W. doesn't think its nearly as good as the bionic. Work with the vendor to have it sent back if he sees no value in it.
Make sure to use lots of ginger and tumeric in your diet. Just my thoughts on some simple strategies to get you by.
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sixgoofykids
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I even used to take turmeric in capsule form. Good stuff.
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I could see why you wouldn't do herbs with the infrared light. The infrared light is very strong...
When I first tried it, I didn't feel the need for anything else. I can see that homeopathic remedies would work with it since they are energetic remedies.
If you mix the infrared light with other things like drugs or herbs, supplements - I could see that it would be dangerous or could make you more ill.
After you treat awhile - you may want to do periods of other things & cut back on the light. You can maybe alternate, as needed.
This is just my experience from experimentation. I've been experimenting with this since last summer with the LightWorks - I haven't seen Dr. W or used the Bionic 880.
I have received alot of benefit from using the infrared light, though. You do need to use it cautiously. I don't think it's the only thing to use to get well. It's just a part of the puzzle.
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Bob,
I've been trying to find the original article you posted about the student doing her own research using the herb [terminalia?], but am having no luck: can you help direct me please?
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My energetic doc tested me for treatment of blood yesterday, and she got a no. Mind you, I've treated a lot of bugs separately. Once again, I think there is no rule of thumb when it comes to blood. There is a mix of so much stuff in there from bugs to metals to possibly emotions that I think chronic-fatigue cases esp warrant testing for it every time.
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Also tested the triphala and got a no. That may because I'm treating cryptostrongylus pulmoni with Super W blend. Doc said it's very strong though.
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Joey,
do you also use a biotensor at home to know what to treat at a given time?
Or do you rely on your energy Doc more for new treatments?
I finally ordered the biotensor...and was hoping it would help me out with protocols or changing up the detox and if I need any supplements or binders at a given time, when I wasn't seeing my ND.
As I started AI, I have also taken a break from my ND appointments.
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lymie_in_md
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Joey,
There maybe a time where triphala tests positively. I definitely test 5 days on and two days off. Today's an off day for me, as well as tomorrow. At the same time I'm testing very strong for noni and mangosteen powder when I take the triphala, as if I'm in a pathogen killing spree. Also testing very strong for probiotics. Its like, I'm in a kill phase, but at the same time, I'm trying to repopulate with probiotics. Like I'm taking over a pathogen stronghold and putting friendly flora in its place.
Also testing very strong for monolaurin again, hadn't tested to want that in months. I'm not taking anything else, but that. Its interesting when you do your own testing, your strong for some things only for a period of time. Then you do something else.
LP -- its great your getting a biotensor, which one did you choose?
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sixgoofykids
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Bob, which product did you say was good for acid reflux?
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lymie_in_md
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Hi Six,
mastic gum is the major one and use it in combination with DGL or diglyzerized licorice root. probably spelled it wrong. add in a good digestive enzyme and some pepsin or hcl into your diet. just energetic test which ones you need in combination. Some folks use apple cider vinegar instead of the pepsin.
Acid reflux can be caused by too much yeast or candida in the small intestines. It can be caused by h-pylori. Too much yeast in the small intestines could be due to, too little bile coming out of the liver. It can also be caused by parasites in the liver. So you might want to add haritaki with another bacteria killer as well as parasite killer. And lots of a good probiotics. A liver cleanse then eating lots of parsely and dandelion greens might help rebuild the liver over time. You can restimulate the liver if it is a bile issue using coffee enemas after a liver cleanse.
One way to tell if it is an issue of bile is the color of the stools. Especially if they are light colored which is sign not enough bile is being generated and the biliary ducts might be congested.
I've experienced having acid reflux really bad, not an issue now!
let me know when your having your world famous minestrone soup and grilled cheese sandwiches. yum!
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sixgoofykids
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It's my husband and 10 year old who have the reflux .... I don't get it much. Thanks for the advice. Both of them use digestive enzymes, fiber, and apple cider vinegar. I'll add some of your ideas. Generally speaking, it's tomato sauce at night that bothers them, so it's easy enough to avoid.
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yes i do use the biotensor, but I don't rely on it as much as I did a few months ago. On bad days, I can't use the tensor so I really need someone to step in for me.
She gives me guidance on what to treat in between seeing her
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yes I believe it will test at some time. Right now, I'm dumping large amounts of metals from killing parasites & fungus as it is, so more killing will probably not come for awhile.
This is a strong antiparasite, and I believe everyone needs to test for it before they use it. Parasites shouldn't be taken lightly. I've probably gotten the largest metal dump in my experience treating bugs by treating cryptostrongylus pulmoni.
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lymie_in_md
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Joey,
Sorry it can't go quicker, but it sounds like you've got an excellent protocol going. Hopefully, this step in the process is quick!
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Thats interesting Joey, are you specifically using the Super W blend for the C Pulmoni?
I have C Pulmoni too, or at least I had it when I blood microscopy last yr anyway I havent been tested since. As you say its common amongst CFSers.
I was prescribed Ivermectin for it which definitely helped my digestion a lot and also made a difference to my adrenal fatigue too which just showed that the worm was putting a lot stress on my adrenals. I havent taken it for a while though and dont know if I still have the worm. Ive been thinking of trying Humaworm but might look in the Super W.
Interestingly I didnt get a metal dump with the Ivermectin although Ive had huge metal dumps with other things, the worst in my case was with Allicin I was completely on another planet for a few days with that but it almost completely got rid of all of my symptoms for a few hrs. No idea what it was killing off it may well have been lyme aswell as other parasites.
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My doc tested me for humaworm, and said it would be too much on top of the super w. The super w is obviously more targeted-- just Wormwood, quassia, and male fern--whereas the humaworm has like 25 different ingredients. Might also want to call them beforehand and tell them to minimize the cascada sagrada and senna, which can cause cramping due to their harsh laxative effect
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I have a hunch that parasite & protozoa will be the last types of bugs that I'll have to deal with. Unfortunately, it may be the case that photons aren't effective against all of them. I'm not sure why that is the case, but that is what i have heard from several sources.
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Thanks Joey thats a good idea to get them to decrease the dose of those herbs. Its funny you should mention that too as I am quite sensitive to those herbs...I took a couple of caps of Dr Schulze's IF1 the other night which also contains senna, cascara, cape aloe & other stuff. I hadnt taken it for a while and wasnt thinking straight when I took the caps and took 2 instead of 1 and the following day had the most horrendous cramps and was curled up on the floor in agony it was so bad!! The following day though my energy really was a lot better so it definitely helped purge something!!
Ive been wondering if photons will help with other bugs too..I havent tried treating for parasites/worms with the photons yet.
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lymie_in_md
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Joey,
Photons are probably only good against organisms that need to exist in the dark. Parasites are totally different. They can exist in the light, and the light might nourish them like it does our own cells. So in one way, using light therapy might encourage parasites to multiply. So, to get rid of one pest you could encourage the growth of another. Given this possibility, pulsing different healing protocols is the best method for different types of pathogens. Targetting is an excellent idea.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you. Strep and staph can exist in the light and photons take care of them.
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lymie_in_md
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Hiker you are probably right about strep and staph, but what about protozoas? Just don't think photons get all pathogens just like it doesn't hurt our flora or our own cells.
Light treatment is new territory, so we probably need some research on what critters are affected and which ones aren't. And how they are affected.
thanks hiker.
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lymie_in_md
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** I posted this in the pe1 thread as well **
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Yes, I saw the Aura patches at a conference and used them for awhile. Didn't seem to do anything for me.
As for photons and parasites, I think they would work for protozoa, but I do not think they are likely to work for worms/helmiths, etc. That said, all of this is theory.
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sparkle7
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I have to agree with Scott - Aura patches didn't seem to do anything for me. Some nice lady sent me them to try. I didn't feel any different from them.
Very scary about all of these parasites. I don't think I have them but I did some research on them today. I read some people recommend Saccharomyces boulardii for C Pulmoni.
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I found a `free' book on dowsing the other day, and according to many people, this book is considered the `Bible' of dowsers worldwide.....
I didn't know where to post about it exactly, so I'm going to stick it HERE since Lymeparfait just got her Biotensor.....(Good luck, LP)
I forgot now where I found this, but it started with this statement from someone who dowses A LOT:
quote:``I have about 15 books on dowsing, but the best dowsing "course" that I've ever taken was contained within a 24 page booklet put together by Walt [Walter Woods] called `` Letter to Robin ''. This incredible booklet can teach anyone to be an accomplished dowser. Highly recommended. ``
The first book of Walter Woods " Letter to Robin ", can be downloaded FREE from www.lettertorobin.org. Available in English, German, French, Italian, and Spanish! ...... and `` Companion Letter to Robin '' can also be downloaded for free - pdf or html formats.
I've got to `clean up' my computer first and run a couple of scans this week-end. But I plan to download these books myself.
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Truthfinder
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You are welcome, LP.
I must be going crazy..... I thought Alv posted something after I did but there's nothing there this morning....
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lymie_in_md
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Your not crazy Tracy, I read Alv's post yesterday. Its gone today!
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HI LYME_IN_MD !
I did not wanted to highjack the thread for BIONIC! But is true !I wish I can share the book with you as you will learn a lot.
Before that I was involved in other forums and when I got the book was everything included that I have read for years in diferent places and some of the products that they recomended were tried from ME personally to survive before I learned of LYME existance ( could not even spell coinfections back than ) .
This Drs as DR W are true healers and have gone beyond our imagination to find a solution to make peoples sufering stop.
Some of them have created !They have found and share frequencis by using a microscpe and trying things on their patient and helping them without drugs.( even though I am not in denial of them 100% ) http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/frequencies_if.htm
They use Rife, bio -Photon, GEnies, Bicoms , SCIO etc .They also practic , pendulum , biotensor,muscle testing etc.They combine things basicly in Dr K principles and they go deeper to help their patient.They talk about vacinations,toxins , cleansings etc.
Also without them trying to help patients and their findings the options for us would have been JUST ABX so far.
The information that they share BY emails privatly were from 2000 to 2006 so the most updated ones by the time I got it february 2007 .
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Hi Alv,
I knew you posted yesterday. The PE1 and bionic threads have grown a life of there own.
They've become the threads of the alternatively minded.
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Which is the best airport to fly into when going to see Dr. W. Frankfurt or Stuttgart? I thought the Klein's for some reason preferred we fly into one airport over another.
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I was told by the kleins to fly into Frankfurt, then take a train and they will pick you up at the train, and take you to a car rental agency. They say this is the most economical way for car rental. It seems they are most helpful for traansportation, and help you finding Dr. W.
Others have flown to Stuttgart as it is closer and rented a car there. Cars are to be more expensive if rented at airport. Some have flown into France or Switzerland and rented a car there, as they had better flights to those countries. It's based on convenience and $.
Contact the Klines by email and they will help you with the train schedules.
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We flew into Stuttgart and had to take several trains to get to Pforzheim. The Kleins told me to tell everyone to fly into Frankfurt as you can take the fast train from there, so it's easier for you.
They will take you to a rental car place in Pforzheim.
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is it possible to make it to dobel and dr. w if you don't have a car (i don't drive..)?
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No. It is about a 30 minute drive. I think a car is required.
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sixgoofykids
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Actually, the bus goes through Dobel .... you can take it to the train. Nanadubo did this after her husband left, so maybe she'll post the details.
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I think Gigi said the buses were not that difficult to take.
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In your opinion, can you expect to be cured after the 880 treatment, or is it justa start to the healing process? From what I've read, the addional treatments at home are necessary, right?
I've had Lyme 20 plus years, did abx for 13 mos and stopped b/c a BAD rxn to biaxin.
I'm considereing alternative methods b/c my old symptoms came back days after stopping the meds - bummer!! Thanks C
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sixgoofykids
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You will need ongoing treatment.
I was doing well on abx, but would crash when I got off them. By the time I was off abx for a few weeks to go to Germany, I had dropped to about 45%.
When I came home, I was getting up in the morning for the first time in a few years, I was functional for the whole day, then went to bed at a normal time. Consistently, day to day.
I have had some ups and downs as I've treated various things since I've been back, but basically, can count of feeling pretty good if I'm not going after another infection.
My borrelia is not an issue according to muscle testing, but I still have parasites, babs, and bart. I am currently working on those.
I have had Lyme & co. for 35 years.
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Do you think you will be able to get rid of babs and bart w/ ongoing trtmnt? Is it possible the borrelia can come back - did Dr. W mention anything for future reoccurring infections?
You say borrelia is not an issue w/muscle testing, would the fry and igenex labs convey the same thing?
Sorry for all the questions. It seems to good to be true. The money won't be easy to come by, but may prove to be well worth it, which is what Im trying to figure out!
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I do think I will be able to get rid of babs and bart. I had many issues in addition to borrelia and I'm getting to them one at a time.
IGeneX shows antibodies in the blood .... it is not a direct test for the presence of pathogens, it just shows that you fought them off .... so it could still be positive. I have been tempted to get retested to see, but haven't been curious enough to spend the money.
I don't know anything about Fry.
Dr. W didn't talk about reoccurring infections, but I am confident that I can treat again with the photons if it does.
IMO, it's the easiest treatment out there, BUT it does require ongoing treatment. I now use herbs during my time off photons until the babs and bart is gone, too.
I'm getting closer to the breakeven point every month. I used to spend over $1500 per month on LLMD, supps, and scripts .... now that I haven't had to do that in 5 months, I've saved at least $7500 so far in money I have not had to spend on those things.
It is a gamble .... I'm doing very well. Most have had good results. All of us have needed ongoing treatment.
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Here's a quote from another forum:
Dr K.... of Seattle was recently visited by the FDA/drug company enforcers. They object to his selling a device that he imports from Europe. It apparently uses light and frequencies. The feds want his list of customers and want him to buy back all the units and ship them back to Europe. He says that he is meeting with them tomorrow.
Thursday, April 16, 2009
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The people on the forum aren't sure which machine it is.
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