Topic: Bionic 880 thread - promise I won't delete it
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I object to the FDA, the CDC and the IDSA. Where can we ship them back to?
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i received a pm from someone who went to germany who informed me it is very possible to get to dobel and from dobel to pforzheim using buses & trains.
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yes, you can use the bus and train. You just need to plan out the timing.
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That is horrible about Dr. K. And they say we live in a FREE country.
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Here's the thread from the other forum, a bit out of order: (i edited out the name of the doctor, but it is the doctor you think it is): ------------------------------------
Re: [rife-list] Another assault from the FDA Friday, April 17, 2009 10:58 AM From: "Richard Loyd" [email protected]
engineer188@ sbcglobal. net wrote: > > > Dr. Loyd, do we know the name of this machine or a company website? > > Thanks > > Joe >
[Rife] Re: Another assault from the FDA From: "W. D. Mindock" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It could be the Bionic 880 but I do not have confirmation.
peachynga@bellsouth .net wrote: > > > I believe this is referencing the Bionic 800 LED machine. Several people > in the U.S. have travelled to Germany for treatment (for Lyme). It's > getting good reviews. > > Linda > >
ife-list] Another assault from the FDA Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:57 PM From: "Richard Loyd" <[email protected]> Add sender to Contacts To: "Rife-List" <[email protected]>
Dr K.... of Seattle was recently visited by the FDA/drug company enforcers. They object to his selling a device that he imports from Europe. It apparently uses light and frequencies. The feds want his list of customers and want him to buy back all the units and ship them back to Europe. He says that he is meeting with them tomorrow.
It must be a good piece of equipment!
[rife-list] Another assault from the FDA Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:57 PM From: "Richard Loyd" [email protected]
--- In Rife@yahoogroups. com, Richard Loyd <drloyd@...> wrote: > > Dr K.... of Seattle was recently visited by the FDA/drug company enforcers. They > object to his selling a device that he imports from Europe. It apparently uses light and > frequencies. The feds want his list of customers and want him to buy back all the units and ship > them back to Europe. He says that he is meeting with them tomorrow. > > It must be a good piece of equipment! > > Richard Loyd > http://www.royalrif e.com >
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I wondered when the FDA would stick their nose in here. But Dr. K. isn't `selling' any machines, is he?
Still, any practitioner using a machine that isn't FDA approved could get into big trouble..... which is exactly why we don't see more `innovative' therapies offered in this country. Depending on the laws of the state, even Naturopaths are limited by law to treatments that have been approved by some national naturopathic association.
This is awful. I'm really upset about this, no matter what machine they are talking about.
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This is why I decided to go to Germany sooner rather than later.
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The government sure cares a lot about us, huh? So nice. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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the bus goes right by the klein's house and ends up in pforzheim only a few blocks from his OLD office. i don't know where his new office is in relation to the bus station.
i feel bad for dr k. if scott or someone else who knows him can extend our thoughts of best wishes his way...
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They can't stop us from buying the bionic from germany can they? That would be multiply insane. How does germany deal with these issues or do they not exist there? Do devices have to be approved by some government entity?
Does Canada have the same laws?
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It was really all a matter of time, although I've heard nothing about Dr. K selling the bionic.
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R62, I guess at some point they could stop letting us bring them into the country ...... but they can't prevent us from buying them.
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As another European doctor told me in an email last night regarding the FDA and Dr. K. "He does not deserve this."
He certainly does not. An attack on any LLMD is an indirect attack on all of us even if you are not into alternative medicine.
Dr. K. has helped many of us indirectly and so has Gigi. Many LLMDs would not be giving their patients rizols now and paying attention to heavy metals if it was not for Dr. K. or Gigi. Heck many of us would not be treating with the Bionic 880 or German Allergy drops if it was not for Gigi who learned so much from Dr. K.
I wish we could start a website where we could all write Dr. K. notes of public support. I don't know how to create a web page or I would do it. I hope someone does.
I am thankful for Dr. K. and his refreshing holistic views and protocols and for looking at the different complex conditions our complicated illnesses create. It is not just about the Lyme and we know that due to Dr. K.
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I 100% agree TadichGrill. I could not have said it better. My journey has been ENTIRELY changed from my working with Dr. K. I'm not sure where I would be today had I not been fortunate enough to work with him.
I hold Dr. K in the highest regard.
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Dr. K's protocols have trickled down to many who might not even be aware that some of the things their current LLMDs are doing with them originated with Dr. K. and his ability to think outside the mainstream box.
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I think this was not the Bionic. It was another machine, if my informers are right...
But a photon machine.
Free country! It makes me laugh everytime I hear that. I wonder what kind of schizofrenic frenze are most Americans living when they keep repeating to themselves they live in a free country.
Every alternative practioner in the US seems to practice under fear.
The FDA is CERTAINLY not worried about health.
I also owe my health to dr. K.
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What is the excuse for logic behind this? (not the motive) A light device? I can see an attempt at rationale regarding ingested substances that can kill you... although we all know how ridiculous that concept can be... as if pharms are safe and cigarettes are illegal.
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That was a funny remark, Brussels... (re: schitzo frenzy). Sorry, I have a bizarre sense of humor...
All of this harassment by the FDA has been going on for a while. I think, little by little our supplements may be under the knife by Codex Alimentarius, too.
Food is being tainted with drugs, pesticides, genetic engineering. Organic food farmers are being harassed. People are being forced into taking vaccines. It's all going on systematically & incrementally.
It's not going to happen all at once - it's going to be little by little... and all of a sudden, we are in a police state.
Even if you don't believe that Lyme was genetically engineered to be a bio-weapon...
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I also dedicate my surviving towards Dr K metods.AND MANY THANKS TO GIGI that shared her knowledge as well.
YES BRUSSELS!
This is what I have said TO MY FAMILY in EUROPE!
This country is NOT a FREE COUNTRY .I lived in both world and IT MAKES me mad for ever moving in USA.They just do not understand when I speak!
They think HIGHLY of american HEALTH CARE !
No wonder they will go after the machine..as they already atacked somebody that was producing zappers VERY CHEAP for people that can afford it back in 3 years ago in CUREZONE .Com ( they busted his house in the middle of the night).
They did the same with RIFE originaly and so CODEX is trying to do for 2009 on suplements.
Nothing surprises me anymore IN THIS COUNTRY !!!
Feels LIKE I am living in COMUNISSM system !
HIs principels( AFTER I read HULDA CLARCK ) atrackted me right away .I should have been still on IV now...in the situation I was if it was not his metods that I have had to aply the last 2 years .
I did not wanted to change this thread in political opinions..BUT that is HOW THIS politik is involving us and you can not avoid it.We are part of it! YEs the Idea of the website and our testimonies towards his practice is an EXCELLENT idea!
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this frightens me, though sadly it is not surprising. is dr. k in danger here? could his license be taken away?
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I know the local papers here keep writing articles saying how wrong it is that parents are not vaccinating their children trying to make their parents wrong so they will confirm. The amazing thing is many more parents are not vaccinating their children than ever before. I think they are starting to realize vaccinations may not be safe even if the media and government keeps bleating that they are.
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Maybe the FDA is just wanting to see this machine and have it go through their red tape to enter the country through what they consider proper channels? Or maybe not?
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FDA = danger for all sick Americans.
No matter which approach you are doing, antibiotics only, mixed approach or alternative only.
I just see things from outside as I live in Europe, but it does make me laugh when I hear about Americans TRULY believing they live in a free country, with free speech and so on.
If you are not allowed to be healthy, if practioners are not allowed to practice in order to make sick patients healthier (just talk to ANY alternative practioner, even ILADS doctors, they DO practice in fear there), I wonder where this country will go.
You will soon not be ALLOWED to buy simple herbs, simple magnesium supplements, right?
No wonder LLMDs charge you all so much. The amount they charge looks UNBELIEVABLE seen from here. They risk their licenses, so you all have to pay for that risk. With you sick patients, they load their bank account NOW, as much as they can, JUST IN CASE their licenses will be taken away.
The prices such doctors charge looked shameful seen from here, but when I sense their fear, I somehow understand them.
Call that a free country!
The day you won't have more supplements available to you all, that drinking teas will be considered illegal like marihuana is, the day you won't have any more alternative practioners practicing,
the day all your children will have to be obliged to take dozens and dozens of useless vaccines for diseases that are not even dangerous, I guess, that's the day when you'll finally realize this was NOT a free country.
Note that the Bionic treatment as proposed in Germany, as it uses nosodes, is ILLEGAL in the US. The FDA can go after any practioner using it, in case they discover.
Nosodes as anti-infective agents are illegal to be used by practioners there, so you'll probably won't see any practioner publicly showing up saying they got a good tool against lyme.
There's no possibility then for the Bionic treatment to be widely used against lyme in the US then. The well off can come then to Germany to get treated AND import the machine, but what about all the other mortals?
Homeopathy as a whole was totally illegal in the US not too long ago.
Who loses with all that?
When a sick person is not ALLOWED to try to get healthy by the authorities of their country, by their organizations, their laws, that gets dangerous.
Talk to any practioner trying to think out of the box. ILADS practioners included! They live in constant fear!!
I guess the first step would be to get cured from the schizofrenic idea that the US is a free country.
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Alv and Selma, sadly, you are so right that `freedom' here in the USA is little more than an illusion at this point in our history. We've demanded that our government fix more and more problems for us, and are surprised to discover that we've lost control over our own lives. You are right to laugh at us; we deserve it.
A few corrections, however.
So far, CODEX cannot be implemented here legally because of legislation that was passed back in the 1990's. (Unless there has been some new development I'm not aware of?) There is a lot of mis-information out there about CODEX. In any case, we are only safe for the moment, and especially now with the new administration amenable to `global authority'. (!!!) CODEX is a threat to most European countries, as well.
Homeopathy has never been `illegal' in the USA (to my knowledge). The method of restricting homeopathic practice - to the extent that it was nearly wiped out in the first half of the 20th century - was done in a more subtle, indirect fashion. Basically, all it took was money and power from the private sector.
The sale and use of nosodes is not `illegal' here; but it is restricted. Nosodes are `banned' from sale to the general public, but not to professional homeopaths. Purchase and use (and `prescribing') of nosodes can be done ONLY by certified homeopaths (and Naturopaths and sometimes chiropractors depending on the state). Therefore, homeopathic labs and distributors can only sell nosodes to qualified practitioners, but not to the general public.
It could be worse - we could be like France! It is my understanding that any homeopathic potencies above a 12C are illegal there, since potencies higher than that contain no molecules of `substance' and therefore are considered to be `fraudulent' medicines. France ignores its own laws, however, and 30C potencies are available but only for `chronic complaints'. In France, only MDs can practice medicine, including homeopathy, and violations can result in fines or jail time.
We haven't gotten to that point with homeopathy..... yet.
Back to the legality of certain `machines'.....
This is such a murky area but in my view, the only way European-made machines can be sold and used here is if they are marketed much in the same way as infrared devices, which can be used for muscular and connective tissue `therapy'. Without a lot of expensive trials and studies and `red tape', the FDA will not approve a machine as a `medical device'. No claims can be made for any device to `diagnose' or `cure' anything - that is the SOLE purview of the `medical' profession here in the USA!
So, maybe the Bionic or other devices should just be used to `reduce inflammation and pain in joints and muscles', and then it won't constitute a `threat' to our medical system.
Supporting Dr. K. is a great idea, BUT I think it would be best to wait to see what happens first. Testimonials that contain `too much information' could harm him more than help him. Let him tell US what we can do to help. For instance, he might want letters going to the FDA instead. At this point, we don't have enough information.
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I've discovered that there are a few practitioners using these photon and nosode type techniques in the US in a way that works well.
Problem is they have to be marketed, like you said, as pain reduction or meditation treatments in order to avoid scrutiny. As soon as you call it disease diagnosis or treatment, it is subject to FDA disapproval.
Actual nosodes are rarely used in this fashion, except as energy copies, or computer generated nosode type solutions that fall outside of strict homeopathy guidelines.
These folks stay a step ahead of the FDA, but practice state of the art techniques in a way that looks like quakery.
Most MD's won't risk their licences or their reputations to venture into the tried and true techniques being practiced in Europe. K being an exception.
Blame it on big pharma, if you like. Even if research was conducted on a specific out-of-the-box technique that saves lives, it would be quickly bought out or shut down by pharma. They have the money to do that.
Case in point, good research has been done on colloidal silver. Try to find it published, and instead you'll probably find a new wing or some lovely new equipment in the U that did the study.
I understand that Sanum US was bought out by a major corporation that also owns a pharma co. Wonder why they no longer sell the products that were working to counteract cancer? I don't. (You can still get this at Paracelcus, however.)
Ever wonder who funds quackwatch (some guy in PA who sits in front of his computer all day) to come up at the top of every natural health related Google search? I don't.
Follow the money to those who have the power.
Ever wonder who lobbies and funds the FDA and their decisions? I don't have the figures, but it doesn't take much imagination.
Kudo's to those of you who don't buy the propaganda against everything that threatens pharma, and have found some health through "alternative" means.
The word "alternative" itself is propaganda against anything that threatens profits.
If I have a traumatic accident or medical crisis, send me straight to the ER/ICU, and pump me full of whatever is recommended. The US has some of the best emergency medicine in the world.
If I have something chronic, well....I don't think I'll trust my life to those who have hundreds of thousands to make on my life alone by keeping me that way.
I'd like it if the Bionic/nosode treatments performed by Dr. W. came to the states to be practiced openly, but that's not going to happen unless the reigns come in on big pharma.
Instead what you WILL see is some US made photon machines, sometimes with energy copies or computer generated nosodes.
Anyway, aside from my rant, I'm glad we have found a range of techniques that really are working against lyme, and giving back health to those of us who have fought so hard for so long.
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'In ways too numerous to mention, regular physicians drove homeopaths out of the regular societies, persecuted them in the courts, and otherwise endeavoured to destroy homeopathy or at least to separate it from regular medicine.' [Rothstein, p.170]
'... homeopaths were banned from regular medical societies, denied hospital privileges at regular hospitals, excluded from boards of health, forbidden to serve on the faculties of regular medical schools and blacklisted from consultations or any professional association with regular physicans. Even their apprentices were denied certification of preceptorship at regular medical schools.' [Rothstein, p.233]
Excerpt from the book: Rothstein, William G, American Physicians in the 19th Century From Sects to Science, Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, Baltimore, USA, 1972
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Sorry for my simplification, Tracy. Homeopathy was not illegal, you are right.
However, the effect looks almost as though it was 'illegal', if you read the 2nd paragraph above. It explains why it just disappeared there in the US in the 1920s or so, to my understanding ...
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The situation in Europe is also bad... I commented about that before many times.
The ban on homeopathic substances is growing, every year, more and more products are being erased from our pharmacies. In Belgium and here in Switzerland, there's some resistance still, but until when? We are already losing the war, I feel.
What is a bit different here, is that I don't see people shouting in the streets they believe they live in a free society, free country or whatever similar. There's not such a 'unity' here...
This is what scares me in the US. There's a problem there with the self-image (discourse) and reality that don't match.
I think the difference is that few people here in Europe think we live in a perfect society, great society, or whatever. The self-image is not that positive, more to the contrary, I guess.
Many know we are in the hands of corporations, and we don't keep shouting 'we live in a free country', if you see what I mean.
I didn't mean to be mean when I said that I smile when I hear that 'free country' discourse. It's just that there's clearly an identity problem in the American society, I feel, and the 'free country' discourse is so disconnected from reality that people here can't avoid smiling. It's not only me.
-- I wonder about these machines that imprint frequencies as Bejoy is saying.
I guess that the FDA will not go after them UNLESS they prove to be efficient!
Sad story about Sanum... they do have a whole theory on how to provide anti cancer remedies ... -- I just found another article about DEATH of homeopathy, giving a very different version of history...
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Dear Friends,
The FDA is a major arm of Big Pharma. This is especially true in the area of psychotropic drugs. For example, the FDA panel is currently moving on a request to approve the long-lasting version of a drug which is under suit for horrendous adverse effects, with documents showing the research was rigged to increase customers [children!!]
The AMA has a loooonnnng history of suppressing innovations in medicine.
Check out the funding for the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), just for starters!!
We are a corner of the larger fight, here!
Best,
Cass A
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Just another comment on the FDA--ELECTRIC SHOCK machines ( to mechanically induce seizures, and which are KNOWN to "work" by causing brain damage) are OK--even for use on people who don't consent.
Best,
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Right, bejoy - and it does eventually go back to Big Pharma, even when it was Little Pharma. The John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie families were heavily invested in emerging drug companies back in the early 1900's, and thus the financial interests of those two powerful families dictated the ultimate course of American medicine. This manipulation of medicine was so effective and so complete, by the year 1949, few people in the USA had even heard of homeopathy.
Right, Selma. Though homeopathy was not illegal, it was made `impossible' by medical `associations and societies'. The effect was the same, either way.
***``This is what scares me in the US. There's a problem there with the self-image (discourse) and reality that don't match.''*** That is EXACTLY right, Selma. Well said. You are not being `mean'; you are being honest and objective.
I agree, Cass - the FDA is `bought and paid for' by the drug companies. And most of our elected `representatives' are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. And so it goes.
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I want to amend my rant by saying that I don't object to pharmacology for lyme or anything else. I just don't trust the delivery, as the motive behind it is usually somebody else's profit.
I notice that Bicillin is one of the more effective pharmaceutical treatments for lyme disease.
Over the past couple of years it has been difficult to get in quantity, and the price is astronomical, at about $500. a month, I think (don't know really, but many here have that figure.)
The same amount of the same medication for farm animals, produced by the same American company, is about $6. This I do know, since they sell it at the farm store, and I once did the full comparison.
It gives me the impression that somebody out there knows how much we need it, and they don't really want us to have much of the stuff that can halt a profitable chronic illness.
I think we Americans used to be proud of our "free country" but we had to wake up and smell the coffee under martial law of the Bush regime.
Many are hopeful that the Obama admin will turn things around for the better. Time will tell.
I used to have a fantasy about bringing the Bionic or something similar enough to Dr. W's treatments to the US, and doing research to make it a viable state of the art MEDICAL therapy. No longer.
As soon as it becomes "real" medicine in the US, it can be controlled or forbidden. Let it stay quackery for the time being, so we can maintain full access to it. I'm glad so many people have been able to travel to Germany.
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Hi Andrew,
I felt better as time went on. It wasn't like a herx can be where I felt significantly worse, I just felt bad (about 45% by the time I went) like I normally felt bad.
Dr. W takes credit cards and stocks Bionics.
I stopped abx a month before and antimalarials two weeks before. Dr. W told me two weeks, but I figured longer was better.
Bart and babs are not available in Europe. But, with being able to treat coinfections with blood, might not be necessary. If he is of the same opinion as when I was there, he thinks blood will take care of other infections. I know he's still learning on this, and people get frustrated that his recommendations change ... but that's just the way it is right now.
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Andrew, I think some of your questions were asked here in this thread before. About nosodes, you won't find all tick coinfections here. So you could bring bartonella, mycoplasmas etc from the US (Desbio), I supppose?
the two I found were chlamydia pneumonia and rickettsia, but for all the rest, babesia, bartonella, mycoplasmas, I didn't find yet here.
as for bicilin, no idea.
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I was hoping that anyone who has been to Germany for Bionic 880 treatment could now let us know how they are doing and what they did for follow up after leaving Germany as well. Did they do AI or what and what are they doing now.
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I have done a few rounds of Bionic and just ate healthy, did detox, in between rounds. I muscle tested as still being positive for babs, bart, parasites, and pyroluria.
Right now I am taking the pyroluria vitamins and minerals, which should boost my immune system so I can then treat parasites and the remaining two coinfections.
I still keep my blog up to date.
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Thank you. I will keep following your blog and I am thankful for everyone blogging.
Does anyone know Steelbone's blog address? I forget what it is.
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Paul how are you doing feeling and treating?
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lymeberry, I followed up my trip to Germany by having my amalgams and root canal teeth out.
I have been doing A I since January and other than using my sauna I am doing nothing else.
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I went to Germany in February and am still treating back here in the states. I've done a total of 3 epstein barr treatments (which I cleared), 8 borrelia treatments, and 2 treatments using my blood. I will probably do another 5-7 treatments using my blood. So far, I have mixed feelings about whether or not the bionic is working for me. If I see improvements, they are VERY small. For a few weeks for so, I felt fairly good and thought I was moving right along with treatment well. Recently, in the past 1 1/2 weeks, I have gotten worse again. As bad as I was before going to Germany. So...not to be negative about the treatment, but so far, I'm not too impressed by what it has been able to do for me. Hopefully after more treatments, I'll see better results.
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rachellemarie--given the treatments for EBV immediately following, I'm curious.. do you have CFS symptoms?
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I never went to Germany but have been having photon therapy with the Bionic in the UK, so I havent had the exact same treatment as with Dr W but the basic treatment has been the same.
Like you Rachellmarie I improved initially but then I went downhill again but I do have endocrine issues, metals and other infections including viruses (EBV too in my case and CMV plus maybe others) which have not all been treated yet.
I dont know if I'm still just processing toxins that need time to be eliminated...but also just recent testing with my practitioner shows that bartonella is one of my main problems still, and lyme is still there too..
I have recently been in contact with another practitioner in Germany who uses the Bionic and she told me that the body cannot make use of the photons if the adrenals are exhausted. She said that without that, the immunological resistance that is needed to make use of photon therapy will not be there and it is really important to address this. I dont know if that is Dr W's view too, I suspect he believes that ultimately the photons will sort everything out.
I dont know if this applies to anyone else but I suspect this might be the case with me.
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Great news, Tosho! Is he from Poland too??
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Could anyone who has been treated in Germany in the last 2 to 4 months or so please let us know how you are doing and feeling and if the protocol in Germany has changed at all.
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A note of my experience with adrenal fatigue and biophoton and nosode therapy:
FYI, I do PE-1 at home with nosodes rather than Bionic, but the protocol is similar.
I don't think it would be working so well for me without strong adrenal support. My adrenals had crashed to the point of an Addison's diagnosis, previous to my lyme diagnosis.
I take Wilson protocol supplements and hydrocortisone, along with bioidentical hormones, all of which I increase as needed with a bad herx.
Too much or too little cortsol in the body equals a compromised immune system. You have to have about 40mg a day working in the body for effective immunity. Probably more when fighting infection, but I don't believe those studies have been done.
I was able to clear Lyme Burgdorferi, Lyme Garinii, Bartonella, TB, Mycosporidia, Strep Pneumonia, Klebsiella Pneumonia, and Viral Meningitis with nosodes and light.
EEEEWwww. I've never put all those in a list before.
I'd suggest that people with hormone and adrenal insufficiency look seriously at bioidentical hormone replacement including hydrocortisone. I don't think I could have gotten well without it!
Keep in mind that Adrenal crash comes after a period of Adrenal High, when you can't sleep and have lots of anxiety.
There is not supposed to be a "cure" for Addisons, but I'm down from 35 mg a day of hydrocortisone to 10, and counting.
I think you have to support the adrenals like crazy, then treat the pathogens, then later you can just naturally get off the adrenal support.
That has been my experience. I'm currently successfully treating a reocurrence of Babesia, and also assorted fungals. For me, energy goes up and need for hormone replacement goes down with regular light and nosode therapy.
I also make sure to light the adrenals with each light treatment. My adrenals get stressed from dealing with infection, but my adrenals, kidneys also tend to harbor infection because that whole system has been weakened.
I light the other organs too, that may be harboring infection, based on energy testing.
Good luck with your therapies!
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Bejoy - You are amazing and so helpful to us all. Glad the PE-1 works for you.
I've cleared only borrelia so far using the Bionic 880. I was treated in Germany - Dr. W - during Feb. 2009. I have been tested several times and still NO borrelia can be found.
I am now attempting to clear more, but have hit a road block, so will read up on Klinghardt's KPU/HPU treatment protocol.
I know I need to detox heavy metals first, or around the same time.
Energy testing has really helped me.
Bejoy - I don't have the funds anymore for lots of testing. How can you tell when you have cleared other infections? Energetically?
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How do you use the lightworks with nosodes to clear these infections??
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Dr. W. told me the spirochetes are still there once you have treated 5 or 6 times and have lightened your Lyme load and get the green light to wait a month before treating again.
The spirochetes are just sort of deactivated or something by the frequencies so they will not bother the patient unless one gets stressed out and then they will make one sick again.
He said if that happens then one needs to treat again two times. I think if people keep using the phrase cleared people get the wrong impression that the Bionic 880 treatment is a "Cure". It is not a cure exactly yet can be very very helpful for getting well or at least in my opinion.
I think deactivated or another term is more fitting then "Cleared lyme".
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People need to stop conceiving of photon therapy as some kind of rifle that blasts spirochetes to bits. Healthy people are walking around with viruses/bacteria/fungi every day of their waking healthy lives, but they're not ill. It's not because somehow they were lucky enough to escape getting bitten by ticks. The idea that chronic lyme is more pandemic to areas that are more infested with ticks than areas that are less infested but infested nonetheless is just plain nonsense.
Many scientists have shown that pathogens become pathogenic because of the environment they're in and overall body burden (toxins, emotional disturbances, metals, nutritional deficiencies, vicious fight-or-flight cycles), NOT because of variance in occurrence of bugs between controls and chronically-ill patients.
Photon therapy, homeopathics, other information-based therapy aids the immune system and shifts the cellular environment by providing correct information at the same time. The immune system attacking lyme is only one step. Following steps of getting our immune system more active in some ways (more TH1-dominant) and less reactive in other ways (sensitivity to allergens or benign cells--autoimmunity), as well as restoring proper cellular environment with other measures like pH balance, oxidation, hormonal support, proper nutrition, avoiding food allergies is all necessary to allow our body to keep bugs in control. The photons can be used to do much of this. I do believe the photon machine can become a jack of all trades when used properly and carefully with diligent energetic testing, but it will not eradicate the existence of lyme or any other bug for that matter.
If you want to utterly destroy bugs, you may want to explore an option like Rife, and even that is debatable. In my case, I don't feel it is necessary to kill, just restore natural order, in order to recover 100%.
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