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I think the fact that this bombardment of good bacteria is actually causing such a drastic immune response is just evidence of how badly our gut has become damaged due to our lifestyle/diet. I thought I had a relatively healthy diet prior to getting sick, rarely eating fast food and no dairy products, but have you seen that youtube where due to preservatives, fast food looks the same a few months late as it did when it was first made? That stuff simply does not leave the body. Not only that, but eating meat, organic or not, that is necessarily putrefied due to transport times and--if not organic--injected with antibiotics means we've been slowly reversing the ratio of good to bad bacteria over the entire course of our lives. Our bodies/digestive enzymes simply have not adapted to the rapid industrialization of food that's occurred in the last century.
The 1 trillion CFU does sound worrisome and drastic, but maybe that's just the amount that some of us need to return our GALT and gut to normalcy.
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I've been doing alternative nutrition and seeing alternative M.D.s since l986. It's news to me that any one can be taking too many probiotics of any kind.
It looks like a very good product. What's all the controversy about. If you are interested in it
call the company and learn about it. If you are not, move on. You would be hard pressed to find any one who has too much beneficial flora in their system especially folks like us who take tons of ABX and anti fungals.
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The particular strains, etc. in the product are proprietary. The company will not share that information and if that is a pre-requisite for using the product, then this is not the right product for you.
However, for those willing to unlearn and learn new things, this product might be worth a good look.
I just ordered my third month supply of the product because I feel like it is supporting my body in a way it has never before been supported. There is something about this product that is very special.
As for trying to make new batches from old batches, the company says this could be dangerous. This is a human strain probiotic which means that it is not used to replicating in a fluid that comes from a cow. Thus, it only replicates well in the human - where it originated from.
They also cautioned that other bacteria that you may not want could get into the milk and over time, you may ferment organisms that are not supportive of health as I understood.
As for using their device to make it, this is NOT yogurt. This is a special product and the temperature that they use is important to creating the most beneficial end product possible. So for the 70 dollars, I would not risk using another yogurt machine.
It is NOT a transient probiotic. Thus, it generally takes 9-13 months to fully balance the gut and then only small, occasional doses might be helpful to reinforce the soldiers already at work.
This product restores the body to the point that eventually, the body no longer needs it.
If I calculate the cost with this in mind, it seems like a bargain.
I'm excited to see that Joey is having good results with it and expect that we will both continue to see improvements.
This is a good one.
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Sounds like an interesting product... I have a few considerations, though.
1. If it's from "human" sources, why grow it in cow's milk? Why couldn't you use almond milk, rick milk, goat's milk, coconut milk, etc.? Seems like you should use human breast milk...
2. I found no studies about their product on Pubmed. All of the info is from their own website. I didn't see any 3rd party studies on their website or while doing a quick search on google. Maybe I missed them?
3. Can there be dangers from their culture. Many years ago, growth hormone was taken from cadavers. People requiring growth hormone took this form of growth hormone & developed serious illnesses. So, the "ick factor" is relevant.
4. If a strain becomes contaminated somehow - what might it do to one's body?
5. I'm a bit concerned that it may be a bio-engineered organism. I'm not sure what this may mean. How long has it been tested for safety?
6. When you know the particular strain - you can look it up & research it. With this - we don't know what it is & if there have been adequate studies on it.
7. It's kind of expensive to take a risk & wing it... I'm a bit wary of this product for the above reasons.
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1 - I don't know the answer except that it has to be fermented to be optimally beneficial. You can call and ask.
2 - I doubt there will be many studies on many natural options. I am not surprised. If you feel that the solution to your illness is on Pubmed, I hope you find it there.
3 - Anything in life is a risk. Many yogurts have probiotics that originate from bovine sources. Where do you think those come from? Where do you think the gelatin in most capsules comes from?
4 - Don't know. Do you ask the same of your other probiotics?
5 - Don't know. Do you ask the same of your other probiotics?
6 - They will not share the strain. Period. If you need that information, SOB (scroll on by).
7 - Life is about risks. You can take them or not. No one is asking anyone to take a risk that they are not comfortable with.
Time will tell.
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: For me, it increased energy even further, helped with vision, eliminated fungal issues, and improved overall circulation.
Can you elaborate on what specifically has improved with you vision?
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Clarity. Also seeing things differently when reading. Instead of reading a word at a time, I was seeing a line at a time - which is probably more brain function than eye function but sharpness and clarity were vision related.
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less blurriness, seeing things w'better contrast & more colors on my end
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Scott,
You sound a bit like salesman on the defensive. I trust you aren't profiting form referring people to this company? Thanks for the product tip, though. I intend to check it out.
Nomoremuscles, I would agree w/ you that any probiotic SHOULD be able to grow & grow, if put in an appropriate medium... like the organic cow's milk the Co. suggests.
I just think the line about- "It isn't starter though with theirs- you have to keep using the sachets. It is expensive, but worth it I think" indicates the co. is trying to protect future profits. But if it's a great product, why not support it?
That's the way I feel about Gary's yoghurt- Stonyfield. He was my sister's classmate & teamed up w/ a friend to introduce a Hi-Q multi-strain yoghurt. After many years, it "flourished". He has now, of course, gone international (w/ a bunch o' help from the French company that bought them out!)
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This is not a bovine product and thus, it does not behave the same was as yogurt. It is not yogurt.
Most probiotics are derived from bovine sources - this is not.
This company will be a big success because their product works.
I'm not going to try and convince people further. Try it or not. Your call.
And to be clear, I have no financial association with this company.
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it sounds awesome, but the proprietary aspect worries me as well.
thanks for sharing the product info, though -- maybe more people will try it and in time we'll have an accurate idea of its benefits.
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There are other companies that have proprietary probiotics. It's not a new field. It's ripe for exploitation by people coming up with "new" proprietary strains that cure everything & cost a lot more than a probiotic should.
I'm very skeptical... Especially with descriptions like this -
"Most people experience almost immediate benefits from eating Progurt�. For healthy people it is a sense of increased awareness and wellbeing. For those with health problems there are often dramatic improvements in their condition."
There any many unknowns here. No 3rd party studies that I could find anywhere on google (not just PubMed)...
I've never heard of probiotics making one's eyesight better. That sounds a bit odd to me. If someone could explain why this might happen, I might be more apt to believe it.
I'm sure the people who mentioned this are taking a few different things that might influence their eyesight besides Progurt.
I think I'll stick with kefir, regular yogurt, coconut milk yogurt & Good Belly...
I'd like to hear how people are doing on it in 3-6 months from now. Time will tell if it's worthwhile. $700 a month is a bit steep for a probiotic with no scientific literature to back it up.
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This stuff comes from Australia...how can it still be viable when it arrives?
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Thanks much for the additional info, Scott and joey. A couple of questions for both of you about your personal daily `intake'.....
I believe I read on the website that an average daily dose was somewhere around 1/2 cup a day, so at that rate, a sachet would yield about 8 daily servings...... (correct me here if I misinterpreted).
1. Where did you hear about Progurt?
2. So, when you determined how much to use per day, was this based on information from the Progurt people, or was it based on energetic testing, or what exactly?
3. Could you elaborate a bit on how much you took in the beginning and for how long, and how much you expect to take per day for the next few months?
4. Did either of you try the `colon reflorastation' (refloridization) kit - rectal insertion of probiotics? http://www.myrealhealth.com/
Thanks.
``Indigenous' gut flora is interesting stuff..... I've read some about Bowel Nosodes (homeopathic), and these nosodes should definitely be taken or prescribed with care and professional guidance.... Like most other microbes, even gut flora can become pathogenic, and it does make some sense to re-populate the gut with friendly, functional microbes, and roust out the troublemakers.....
I'm always a bit hesitant about `proprietary' blends and processes, too, where virtually no data is available even from the company..... so thanks for `pioneering' this effort and reporting about what you experience.
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"If you feel that the solution to your illness is on Pubmed, then I hope you find it there."
That is a quote from SForsgren to sparkle7 regarding a question sparkle7 asked about the progurt product. I do not understand the condescending and somewhat sarcastic attitude displayed in the above response. Isn't discussing new info and ideas about ways to help us in our fight against Lyme what this forum is all about? If we can't ask legitimate questions or raise concerns, then what's the point??
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Truthfinder, to your specific questions:
1) I learned about Progurt from a practitioner that I was doing some emotional conflict work with. He and his wife were both using the product and he felt it was producing some remarkable results for them in a short time period.
2) I started with 1 liter a day and now do about .5 liter a day. After another month or so, I may go down to about .25 liters and probably stay at that for a year. Some go down to .1 liter. All depends. For those of us that have done antibiotics for so long like I did, I think it is important to repopulate the flora.
3) My dosage was based primarily on what the Progurt people suggested. And their product does energetically test amazingly well. I shared that with the company and they said they get that feedback often.
4) I did not try the specific implant kit that you mention but I have done others in the past.
5) I understand concerns over proprietary blends and how it would be nice to know more about what was in the product, but it seems to work and it doesn't seem to concern me as much. There are so many stories of great success with the product that I felt it was worth a try. The endorsement from another practitioner also peaked my interest.
Best
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The product comes in sealed sachets and then is made into a yogurt-like substance in an incubator. There is no problem with shipping it.
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Scott and Joey, did either of you make any changes to your diet when you introduced Progurt?
I have been googling Progurt + Multiple Sclerosis on the 'net and I notice that several MS patients who used it (and who were seemingly having good results) were also following a strict diet in conjunction.
Avoidance of beef and chicken (because of the bacteria they contain) was mentioned as part of their regimen. I'm just trying to figure out if this dietary advice came from the manufacturer or their own practitioner.
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I did not change my diet other than I am being better about not eating junk food because I started using the Nintendo Wii and it kept telling me I needed to stop... Oops.
I have not had too much dialog with the manufacturer on the topic of diet and I talk with them about every 3-7 days. They have a great support team there that checks on how you are doing, suggests how to modify things to make the product work for you, etc. Very bright folks.
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"I have rapidly worsening secondary progressive MS and am in a wheelchair.
By the time I found Progurt (the Australian type in the sachets), I was worsening by the day and the meds were making me incredibly sick.
The maker of Progurt (in Australia) is named Robert Bison, an absolutely wonderful man who, I believe, saved my life.
It came with a cost though.
I had to do exactly as he said; extreme diet; exercise (which was almost impossible at the time), throw out most medicines, etc., etc.
The outcome: I lost 90 lbs., I ride a recumbant bike for 20 mins. a night; I can wear shoes again; I go out again (still in a wheelchair, but feeling good).
I did not have a full recovery, but I believe I am in good condition now; not sick and not afraid.
While I am not on Progurt any longer and while I believe the regime requires a huge committment, for me, it was worth it and I will always be grateful to Robert Beson for his product and the time he invested in me."
"My brother has been diagnosed with MS 8 years ago. He became completely disabled and could not even feed himself anymore.
A friend of the family gave him 5 sukets of progurt to put in his mouth and drink with water.
In just a few minutes He started feeling better and stronger and 6 days later, I received the greatest b- day gift
- MY BROTHER gained control of his hands and was able to eat and drink all by himself.
This might not mean a big deal to others but to me, it was a miracle.
We just received our first shipment of progurt and after taking 3 more suckets with water, on the next day, my brother gave me the greatest news
- he was able to pick himself up from the wheelchair and stand on his own two feet for about a minute and a half while holding on to the granite countertop -
something he hasn't been able to do in a very long time.
Every day to us as a family is a miracle and we can't wait to see what he'll be able to do next.
I give God the glory for sending this treatment our way when we lost ALL hope, and thank him for the people that freely gave those trial sukets of progurt...
We are also very greatful for the people from Australia who make him feel as he'd be the only patient they have to deal with.
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Robert is who I speak with as well and he is a very sharp guy. Doesn't believe so much in Lyme disease or disease in general I suspect but more in balance and giving the body what it needs to be healthy.
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2. The dose was first determined by Robert, who is both the founder and nutritionist available for consult during his office hours. Then it was confirmed by energetic testing, both my own and my energetic doc's
3. I've only been on it for a week,so I'm still at the full liter.
4. My energetic doc told me about this, but haven't tried this no.
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With regards to diet, the reason they don't want you on protein is because of antibiotic injections which would compete with the good bacteria. I am surprisingly fine with this, because at my current dose of progurt I am rarely hungry. Even after adding fruit and sweetened cereal to the progurt, my fungal infections have gone done. When I am hungry, I just snack on vegetables, fruit, maybe a slice or 2 of brown rice bread.
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i have no doubt as to the healing power of good bacteria. this is impressive feedback coming from you in that i know you have used many probiotic substances. very interesting feedback also from the m.s. community.
i would appreciate knowing if your comparison of progurt to kefir is based on that made from real (live) grains (at home), or commercially made kefir?
from there i will research the product further as my young daughter (age 7) is having serious gut problems from a course of abx.
thanks kindly, mo
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I've only made probiotics with goat milk at home and purchased Kefir, but even Kefir is not human strain.
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AliG. I read this thread just to read your posts.
You're so cute.
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Joey, Scott - thank you so much for helping to round-out the picture for me. Now I feel like I have enough information to consider the Progurt..... And despite the intitial cost, I am definitely interested in this.
Sounds like the grass-fed, local lamb and beef I get (no abx or other drugs) would probably be okay..... I'm looking for some local chickens, too......
So glad to hear about this! Thanks!
The multiglycidic syrup that acts as a prebiotic...... wonder if inulin or FOS prebiotics would serve the same purpose and work just as well? I think some prebiotic would be a good idea.....
Hi, AliG. I meant to say that earlier..... and I think you probably found on the website where it explains that all of these organisms are grown in the lab, etc., so the `ick factor' is minimal on that front.
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I asked the same question and the company said that other prebiotics just don't work and that they spent years working on a prebiotic that worked well with their specific human strains. So, I had the same question and after asking and hearing the rationale, I decided that it worth using their prebiotic.
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.....This sounds like a more palatable version of a 'fecal transplant', which seems to work sometimes, but progurt's so expensive I doubt if many lymies could afford it.
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Scott or anyone using Progurt, just wondering how this Pharmax HCL-High Potency product compares with Progurt. Would you mind comparing the specs below for me and let me know if it is at all comparable. The cost is about $55.00 US so it may be an affordable option for some. (No, I don't sell it -- just ran across it when researching "human strain").
I am concerned that the capsules contain magnesium stearate, would that cancel out the benefit? The powder form that is listed first doesn't appear to have any magnesium stearate in it though.
Quote" These powerful probiotics are for the relief of intestinal health problems. These Human Lactic Commensals (HLC) are human-derived strains including Lactobacillus acidophilus and Lactobacillus bifidus, and the only product line of their kind in North America.
Lack of friendly bacteria in the lower intestines may result in severe abdominal discomfort, bowel problems such as constipation, diarrhea, and IBS, as well as extreme fatigue, and yeast overgrowth.
HLC-High Potency are indicated for all gastro-intestinal concerns including fungal and yeast infections, gas, bloating, indigestion, IBS, and Chron's. HLC Powder can help crowd out the yeast and other undesirable organisms which result from use of antibiotics, chemotherapy, oral contraceptives, and hormone replacement therapy.
HLC powder has a sweet taste due their fructo-oligo-saccharides (FOS) content which ensure rapid establishment of the Lactobacilli in the upper small intestine and bifido bacteria in the lower small intestine.
FOS is a naturally-occurring water-soluble fiber from fruit and vegetables which feeds the friendly intestinal bacteria. It also provides naturally-occurring beta-carotene from the whole freeze-dried apricot. The apricot is used for its soothing effect on the intestinal walls and also for its flavor.
Ingredients and Suggested Use
HLC-High Potency 120g Ingredients: Each 1/3 teaspoon (1g) contains:
Maintenance Phase Take 1/4 teaspoon three or more times per week
Clinical Considerations
Maintain Health of the digestive system Prevention of colds and flu Stressful life style Digestive problems(bloating, gas) Occasional Constipation Prevention of Candidiasis & yeast infection
Tips from the Nutritionist These probiotics are the absolute best I have found anywhere. They are human strain probiotics which adhere extremely well and are more effective than any others I have used in my practice. Autistic kids in particular need these non-dairy strains of probiotics to re-establish the good flora and combat yeast. end quote"
Hey, Charlie, thanks for letting us know what the alternative to using this product would be. I think the powder seems more appealing.
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I have taken HLC. It is a good product, but it does not compare in my experience to Progurt.
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Thanks Scott, I'm thinking that the culturing process may be what makes Progurt more effective.
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It is also important to use their incubator as it is temperature regulated to ensure the maximum potential of the organisms.
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Scott and Joey I am confused. Sorry I have bad brain problems. Maybe this has been explained, and I just didn't grasp it.
This is a sincere question. How are you able to distinguish that the improvements are Progurt and not from Allergie Immun drops that you both are doing?
What I am trying to distinguish is that does AI help with only certain things and Progurt with other things or do they overlap? Maybe there is no way to know.
In the end all that matters is that you are both improving from something, whether it is bionic, AI, or progurt. Thank you both for sharing information to help us learn more about your experiences.
Joey, is the energetic tester that you mentioned the same one you previously wrote to me about in LA area, DrB?
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Scott and m0joey thanks soooo much for sharing!
Just a quick question: If you are not doing ABX would you really need the initial full load or just going onto maintenance might be all you need? just looking for an opinion.
For everyone: This product might be in combination with biofilm busting herbs
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Hi Bob, not sure. I am of the opinion that antibiotic use likely makes the loading period longer, but ask Robert to be sure. Best
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I think the immediate impact with the progurt is felt "down there." I can literally sense a remodeling of sorts going down in the gut, and this is also visible with BMs. I have also had to increase detox agents like crazy in the last few days--haven't been on AI drops since last week or using the bionic in this time period--so there seems to be some kinda systemic change going on also.
The AI drops seem to elicit more fatigue & emotional reactions, which make sense because they work on such a deep level, hitting emotional blockages & miasms in addition to more supericial metal, chemicals, & infections. There is a more profound grogginess and fatigue that I get from the AI that is markedly different from the progurt reaction.
It helps that I started the progurt AFTER my round 2 of AI was finished.
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I was only on ABx for a total of 3-4 months, but I'm testing for the full load. just having fungal infections run rampant for so long seems sufficient to mess up the balance significantly.
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Hi Joey thanks for helping me to better understand. That makes sense to me since I experienced some similar gut symptoms when I started Cordyceps. It took me a few days to realize it was the Cordyceps making gut changes. I wasn't aware that Cordyceps could do that.
Clearly with so much of our immune system being in the gut, we need to get that working as well as possible. Even though I eat a fairly healthy diet, I am not aborbing nutrients (verified through variety of recent lab testing).
The LLND I am seeing (CR) has recommended nutritional IVs, a very costly approach. So, while Progurt is expensive, it may be a more cost effective alternative for me to consider.
Thanks for the additional info. I'll respond further to your PM.
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I had been taking probiotics for some time. I don't test positively for anything but natural probiotics now, in yogurt, kambucha, or probiotic veggies.
Despite doing all these things correctly it seems difficult to get to 100% re-florastation. The bad guys just don't give up there terrain. Either from biofilm or just being to entrenched into tissue. It sounds like you've found a way with this product to bust through.
Just a thought, if you put any pathogenic bacteria on plastic and waited until it cultured and created a biofilm. Then took an LED pushing out UV-B light waves killing all the bacteria viruses and parasites. What happens to the biofilm? What disolves the proteins that make the biofilm sheath. Or when the UV-B light is no longer around, the biofilm is again repopulated with pathogens. Just an idea about finding herbs that destroy these biofilm sheaths.
Some new hope comes from the product you've introduced in this thread. I Suggest this bacteria might have a better idea about how to live in a human terrain to ensure it's new terrain is maintained. There is an intelligence to bacteria, especially when they colonize.
The bacteria is cultured as if it were in a human, suggesting 100s of species of bacteria in the right numbers to live in a human host.
I suppose to reduce cost, you could do more with prebiotics. Probably another question to be posed to the vendor.
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Oh, thanks, Scott.... I suspected you were going to say that about traditional prebiotics.....
Well, all this convinces me that Progurt is truly unique, and far removed from what we think of as `probiotics'. We've come to think of lactic acid bacteria as `probiotics' and don't really think about the other 300+ strains of stuff in the bowel and gut. I'm not sure Progurt would qualify as lactic acid bacteria, though it does seem to multiply in milk......
I suspect that perhaps a lot of strains of `probiotics' we are consuming these days may not be `indigenous' to the human GI tract, but they seem to work and are easy to culture, so they are used commercially.
And if my guess is correct about this stuff, nothing like this has been done before, to my knowledge.
I signed up for their information e-mails....
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quote:Originally posted by charlie: .....This sounds like a more palatable version of a 'fecal transplant'.....
I had been thinking along the same lines: that consuming a probiotic cultured from human intestines would accomplish the same thing as a fecal transplant.
I was discussing this with a friend of mine today.
She works at a wildlife rescue centre and told me that baby animals who've been on abx need to be put in a cage with healthy adults of the same species.
The sick ones will instinctively consume the droppings of the healthy... and recover fully.
She also told me that, in cases where this does not happen (ie. no healthy adults available), the sick ones usually die.
hopefully this can be the go to thread for any of us that try it.
my daughter has abdomimal issues since abx treatment that are also refractory to all the better probiotics available. her immune functioning is low along with that.
mo
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-------------------- life shrinks and expands in proportion to one's courage -- anais nin Posts: 8337 | From the other shore | Registered: Jul 2002
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I'm looking forward to your feedback as well. Expecting good things.
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I think the powder seems more appealing.
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