sparkle7
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Good to hear people are doing well with this. I don't have an issue with Bell's Palsey of the gut or most intestinal problems so it seemed alot to spend on a probiotic.
If you're ill - any amount to spend on getting well is worthwhile if you can manage it.
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Well Zombie if you keep that batting average cost won't matter. You'll be signed to a contract with a professional baseball team.
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Sparkle, this isn't your everyday, average probiotic. Everything I hear and read about it indicates that this product utilizes gut flora that are old, old, old friends of ours that have been ignored in favor of the easy-to-culture products we're familiar with.
Zombie, you are too funny..... I sort of knew you were from Canada because of the `Canuckistan' location, LOL. That got a good laugh from me right from the start....
Wow, 3 in a row. Maybe some folks wouldn't understand the significance of that, but I certainly do. I feel like passing out cigars or something.
This is amazing. I'd come to the conclusion that my elimination issue - the gut palsy thing - was an autonomic problem. Well, maybe that still makes sense if you consider that most neurotransmitters are generated in the gut, not the brain.....
Okay, seriously now, am I to understand that `UHT' milk is something different than regular 4% (full fat) pasteurized milk available in every grocery store here in the USA? Because if it is, then I've got a problem getting it, too.
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quote:Originally posted by tosho: Hi, could anyone tell me what is the price for progurt? Does it need to be transported in low temperature (shipping). Thanks.
It's $180.00-680.00 US, depending what package you order.
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Scott, do you use unrefrigerated stuff on the shelf, or the refrigerated 'regular' milk?
I'm still not clear on this.
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I use refrigerated milk and then refrigerate the end product after the Progurt final product is made.
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You have been using progurt the longest.....how has it helped you? With what symptoms and are you taking any abx along with this prod?
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I am not taking any antibiotics. I probably would not find this worth doing if I were still on antibiotics. The benefit might be less pronounced as the antibiotics kill probiotics.
I've noticed more energy, reduction of fungal issues, some visual improvement, more exercise tolerance. It's harder for me to point at specific items since I have been at about 90% for a bit now.
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Scott, I've asked this several times but didn't get a response. If you're at 90% (which is great), how on earth do you know which things are worth investing an enormous amount of $$$ into when you treat things? A 10% differential isn't that big I'd imagine at that level. Is it cost effective?
I'm trying to understand your rationale behind all these treatment protocols. Or maybe you decline in health if you don't do them all? If we're talking $500+ for probotics, I'd have to think it must be a MAJOR improvement to continue. This helps people get an idea how to get the best bang for their buck.
When we're talking about relatively high ticket treatment options, just trying things randomly sure can break one fast (most people).
I actually just spent some time reviewing your treatment protocol(s) on your website. All I can say is WOW. There are literally three pages full of supplements along with endless other things. I've never seen anything so comprehensive. With all that IMO, it's like dropping a needle on a cubic yard of dirt and seeing if a difference can be noticed.
It's your body and i'm sure you can tell. Good luck with everything. It seems to be something most, if not all here, could realistically do.
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I just have two questions:
1- Can anyone tell me if this product (Progurt) has any side effects?
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Thanks, Scott. (Thank goodness!)
So, Miss Canuckistan, maybe you could use regular, pasteurized, full-fat milk instead of the UHT stuff. I'm sure both the UHT and 'whole milk' instructions are important, but if memory serves, it is the fat in milk that contains a lot of enzymes that help us digest it. For instance, I can digest butter but I don't do well with any kind of plain milk.
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My dh is now being treated for cdiff.. I would think the progurt would be very good for him AFTER he completes abx (if ever?)?
He is to take 3 therelac a day. I am thinking he should take a variety of probiotics... ?
The 700 is only for one month, right, then you taper down?
I'll call these people.
Anyone get cdiff and be able to go back on abx that dont directly address cdiff.. like most of them?
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: So, Miss Canuckistan, maybe you could use regular, pasteurized, full-fat milk instead of the UHT stuff.
If you don't use UHT, you will need to sterilise the milk yourself. It is a very important step. I make yogurt all the time this way.
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/yoghurt_scd.htm 1.) Put one or two liters (quarts) of milk into a clean pot and heat slowly on a medium heat until the temperature reaches 180 degrees F.* Stir the milk from time to time to keep the bottom from scorching, and again before you take a final temp reading to make sure that the entire contents have reached 180 degrees. The purpose in heating the milk to this temperature is to kill any bacteria that might be present and interfere with the yoghurt making culture. *Both cow milk and goat milk must be heated to just past 180 degrees F, in order to sterilize them. However, cow milk can tolerate temperatures up to about 212 degrees F, while goat milk is more delicate and should not be heated above 185 degrees F.
2.) Turn the heat off and allow to cool to between 108 and 112 degrees F. Stir well before determining the final temperature. You may cover the pot with a clean tea towel while it cools.
quote:Originally posted by steve1906: I just have two questions:
1- Can anyone tell me if this product (Progurt) has any side effects?
2- And can it be dangerous in anyway?
The have been no noticeable side effects for me so far, other than improved bowel function.
The FAQs on the website state that it is safe for all, including children and pregnant women.
I gave a little amount mixed with honey to my 2 yr old yesterday to help her with a bit of constipation trouble. She loved it and it worked like a charm.
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I read up alot on this product and it seems to help alot of people with MS....i mean BIG improvement.
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Oh, Robin - very sorry to hear that about your dh! I hope you do contact the Progurt people and see what they might suggest. I'd like to know, too.
If your hubby was not taking Saccharomyces boulardii or Florastor or one of the products out there with S. boulardii in it, then that might be a suggestion. Do a search here - there have been a number of discussions about it.
Thanks, Zombie. Here in the U.S., UHT requires `aseptic' (sterile processing conditions and packaging) with no set temperature or time for heating (that I could come up with). Strange.
In the U.S., we may have to settle for `ultra-pasteurized' whole milk, which has to be subjected to 280�F for at least 2 seconds. I don't know. I'll have to see what's available here.
I wish the industry could figure out a new way to `sterilize' milk products. Heating processes sure destroy any real `food' value in milk, and some say it's a cause of `leaky gut' since the body can no longer recognize the protein molecules.
Sonee, is there a specific website where you found a lot of info on Progurt and MS? I've seen some general references to MS and even diabetes, but just bits and pieces.
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the cost is case by case. Some people may be able to taper down within a few months similar to Scott, but I imagine I'll be on the full dose for longer. But if it becomes unaffordable, I still think taking the same dollar amount of progurt vs. the same dollar amount of any other probiotic I've tried would be a good choice based on my response thus far.
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Thankyou, Tracy. It's not confirmed per testing, but suspected with the fever and violence of it. We put him on the Florastor in addition to Therelac. He's on flagyl now.
Good point, Joey.. thank you. I didnt think to think of that.. very good point..
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And if you consider that after 9-13 months, you don't need much if any to keep this going, it is longer-term not as bad as it looks. Once you colonize the gut, the bugs will replicate themselves enough that maybe a glass a week or so is enough.
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Do the Nutramedix herbs also kill beneficial flora? Is there any protocol beside immune enhancers or homeopathy, rife or photons one can use while on progurt without wasting the money... ?? Looks like AI is ok to do with progurt.. Thanks..
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Not Progurt. The only things known to kill these strains are hard core RX drugs / antibiotics. They are not impacted by garlic, silver, etc.
I am doing my normal protocol with natural antimicrobials, etc. with Progurt.
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Still wondering Scott. It's a legitimate question to you or really anyone taking many supplements at once and adding more. I too am in this boat wondering why to take what and value from it. I won't ask again if I get no direct response this time. Thanks.
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Scott, I've asked this several times but didn't get a response. If you're at 90% (which is great), how on earth do you know which things are worth investing an enormous amount of $$$ into when you treat things? A 10% differential isn't that big I'd imagine at that level. Is it cost effective?
I'm trying to understand your rationale behind all these treatment protocols. Or maybe you decline in health if you don't do them all? If we're talking $500+ for probotics, I'd have to think it must be a MAJOR improvement to continue. This helps people get an idea how to get the best bang for their buck.
When we're talking about relatively high ticket treatment options, just trying things randomly sure can break one fast (most people).
I actually just spent some time reviewing your treatment protocol(s) on your website. All I can say is WOW. There are literally three pages full of supplements along with endless other things. I've never seen anything so comprehensive. With all that IMO, it's like dropping a needle on a cubic yard of dirt and seeing if a difference can be noticed.
It's your body and i'm sure you can tell. Good luck with everything. It seems to be something most, if not all here, could realistically do.
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I use energetic testing to guide my plan. If it tests as beneficial, I incorporate it into my plan working with my doctors.
It goes up and down in terms of the number of things that I am taking at any given time. The focus now is on detox and regeneration and much less on microbes except for energetic therapies such as the photons and a couple of the natural supplements that are on my list.
The number one investment we can make is in our health.
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Thank you, Scott. Thanks for the updates everyone.
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Robin, hopefully the Flagyl will knock it. C. diff. is such a nasty, nasty bug. There are lots of really good tips on BorreliaBrain's thread, which I'm sure you've already read, but in case you haven't: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/79661
Wow, that's terrific Zombie!
Are you taking other things to help with GI issues (like fiber, prunes, magnesium, aloe vera, whatever) or is Progurt pretty much it at this point?
I keep revisiting the Progurt website..... either there is more information there than before, or I sure missed a lot in the beginning.
Okay, another question: Anyone notice either improvement or worsening of foul-smelling `flatulence' after starting the Progurt?
I've been taking a measly 30 billion CFU daily probiotic (Primadophilus - standard acidophilus and bifidus) + an inulin prebioitic on a regular basis for over a month now. It does seem to help my bowel- inactivity issues somewhat, but it also seems to cause a lot of offensive gas. Not always, but more often than not.
I can't imagine what 500 billion CFU a day would do.....! I would hate to asphyxiate my dog.
FYI, I've also experimented with taking just the Primadophilus without the inulin (or sometimes I use FOS), and there is no comparison. Without a prebiotic, there is very little change or benefit. I was very surprised that it would make SO much difference.
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Thanks Scott.
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Thanks for the feedback on the Progurt Zombie Mummy thats great news! I've been pondering on whether to try it for a while but as its quite expensive I decided to wait until I had heard more reports.
I'm really glad to hear that its helping you...even small improvements in the neuro issues must be very encouraging!
I might well invest in it soon.
Really hope it continues to help you!
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: Wow, that's terrific Zombie!
Are you taking other things to help with GI issues (like fiber, prunes, magnesium, aloe vera, whatever) or is Progurt pretty much it at this point? ... Okay, another question: Anyone notice either improvement or worsening of foul-smelling `flatulence' after starting the Progurt?
I have not changed my diet since starting Progurt. I was already doing the Specific Carbohydrate/GAPS diet for the past 10 months. I've kept on it since adding Progurt.
SCDiet calls for homemade yogurt anyways, so I just substituted Progurt for my usual SCD yogurt.
I eat dried apricots/prunes but I had always done so with little improvement in gut palsy.
I do take Natural Calm magnesium powder but that's it. It never seemed to help my bowel issues much -I took it more for muscle twitches, cramping, etc.
I have not noticed an increase in gas with Progurt. If anything, I'm less bloated and gassy than before.
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The gas & its quality have fluctuated for me. It may get worse at first because of all the fermentation going on in the gut. However, bowel movements have definitely been on the up and up for me... sometimes 3, 4x a day
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Thanks much, Zombie and Joey. I'm sure it will be a bit different for each person, depending on what their issue is.
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Can progurt make you spend less time on the toilet. I have the opposite problem from zombie and some of the others. I need to slow down my bowels.
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quote:Originally posted by hiker53: Can progurt make you spend less time on the toilet. I have the opposite problem from zombie and some of the others. I need to slow down my bowels.
Hiker53
I ordered progurt on Friday and have the same problem as you, Hiker, so I'll let you know.
My problems are probably from the antibiotics. I will be taking the progurt even though antibiotic treatment continues, even though the abx will kill some of the probiotics -- but since probiotic tablets are having little effect on my pooping problems, I thought I'd give the big guns a try.
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I just started the progurt yesterday during my two week break from AI drops.
My progurt came out soupy in consistancy...no fully yogurt like.....is this normal?
Could the strains be damaged in shipment?
And are the sachets to be refrigerated prior to use?
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Mine is general soupy as well and I prefer to drink it anyway. I have heard that if you get organic whole milk, boil it, simmer and then use it will be thicker. You can also go up to 24 hours in the incubator.
Nothing is wrong with the product most likely. I put them in the fridge, but not sure if that is required.
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I followed your instructions and I used organic whole milk, boiled it to 180 degrees and then let it cool to 108 degrees. When it seemed just warm, I added the sachet and started the progurt machine, running it to the directed time.
Should I have waited until it was room temp. to add the sachet? Just want to make sure I do not harm to organisms before the progert is made.
quote:Originally posted by hiker53: Can progurt make you spend less time on the toilet. I have the opposite problem from zombie and some of the others. I need to slow down my bowels.
According to the Progurt website, it claims to help with the following bowel issues:
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zombie, I am going to start the SCD. My gut is a wreck. I was on it before all but making yogurt. When you make the progurt for 24 hours, what temp do you use? Does the unit allow you to make the 24 hour yogurt.. does it stay on? Thanks..
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