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I have heard that ozone IV's are safe and good, so is ozone used in the ears, but that for some reason it is harmful to the lungs. I don't know anything beyond that about the treatment since it's one I never did.
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Only high levels of ozone are harmful for the lungs. Lower levels are natural and healthy. For example, the fresh smell during rain is due to increased ozone.
There is a lot of negative propaganda put out by the FDA against ozone generators, and that's why most people think they're dangerous. I'm breathing ozonated air right now as I'm writing this, and I think its wonderful! It has many health benefits.
Because the FDA hates the ozone generators so much, this should be a clue for you that they are healthy.
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James, I have an ozone air purifier too.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979: Only high levels of ozone are harmful for the lungs. Lower levels are natural and healthy. For example, the fresh smell during rain is due to increased ozone.
There is a lot of negative propaganda put out by the FDA against ozone generators, and that's why most people think they're dangerous. I'm breathing ozonated air right now as I'm writing this, and I think its wonderful! It has many health benefits.
Because the FDA hates the ozone generators so much, this should be a clue for you that they are healthy.
I AGREE!!!!!
We've had an ozone machine for years and years in our home. It smells like fresh air, improves air quality, drops dust to the ground, reduces odor, allergens and mold.
And you know what the only thing on it is that ever needs replaced? Not a filter... an ultraviolet light bulb.
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Do you think Herr Buschkuehl, the owner of the Bionic 880, will have machines on hand to sell while in Toronto? Wondering if it would be cheaper to buy there than try to ship it from Germany--not sure I can even afford this machine but am trying to figure all this out to make it possibly work for dd--
Also, since the Bionic is only available through Germany, what have you done if repairs are needed? Again, it's an expensive machine, and I wouldn't be too happy if it broke with no option for repairs.
(Same question for the PE1--how do you get it repaired?)
Regarding ozone, I've had one from Sharper Image which we stopped using because I had read the ozone output was dangerous for those with asthma--husband has slight asthma--is this not true? Where can I read more supportive info regarding the use of these ozone air purifiers versus the negative press? Maybe the Sharper Image one is not a good model?
I don't know what to believe anymore--hear one thing one day, something totally different the next--round and round I go!
Thanks!
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I took a while to focus on other things and I'm glad to see people are still posting to this topic!
17Hens - your video is awesome, thank you for putting it out there. As well as all the detailed info. It's invaluable for people like me who are going to be piecing this therapy together themselves without the help of a doctor.
I'm trying to take the progression as suggested - currently hubby and I are half way through the Humaworm herbs. I had the permanent metal retainer in my mouth removed so I can tackle the metal detox head-on now (already did 3 months of Western med chelation, but that's not enough). Hopefully I could use the machine like Six did for that.
A few posts back people were asking about how to do the coffee enemas. The links below are two full-length movies about the work of Dr. Gerson (no longer living, ok to post his name I hope). I'm also researching the Gerson Therapy, thinking it might help out on this quest to kill Lyme, and just got the enema kit in the mail. The movies explain how to do it, but there's a more detailed explanation in the book. I haven't done one yet, but maybe today's the day - what am I waiting for? Hubby's on board to try it too, so at least we can help each other and compare notes.
Now to start saving for a PE-1 machine... I'm so excited it's killing me to not get one right this moment.
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Just spent hours researching the HPU/KPU topic, and also Dr. K's website. I just happen to be going to Seattle on vacation in August... I wonder how much an appt with him is and if I could even get one in 5 weeks! Will call tomorrow to find out. Seems necessary to address KPU stuff before using photons? Or can you do it *with* the machine? On limited funds I wonder which route is most cost effective?
My current LLnaturopath, who is 3 hours away has pretty much not given me any advice on pregnancy, and I ask every time I go in. I was encouraged by Dr. K's recommendations and experience with pregnant patients.
Sorry to get off-topic... why does he not include the photon + nosode therapy in his practice? Too new?
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UP for anemone. (Sorry, I don't have answers for you.)
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Hambone, how are you faring?
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Hambone, how are you faring?
Getting ready to do it right now. I came to watch your video one more time before I start.
I'm so nervous.
I cannot even begin to describe how sick I am and I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high. But even 25-50% better will be well worth it to me.
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Hambone,
Wow, you're like "Insta-Answer Woman!" Caught me off guard!
I hope all is going fine. If you're so sick, maybe start at 25% and don't go past 50% power this time (3 week treatment). Oh, well those are Bionic increments but you get the picture.
Better not to push it when we're on our own, I think. Just go slow and easy and you'll be fine.
Keep us posted!
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Keep us posted!
Whoa!
I did it yesterday and didn't think anything would happen. But as the day has gone on today, I am FAR more woozier and .
I did it for about 30 seconds on each point on 40%.
I swear it feels like my brain has gas.
Don't laugh.
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I would say wait 3-5 days before doing it again, use 20% next time or even less, and detox like a mad woman starting now.
What say you hiker, six, bob???
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Reading thru Bionic notes and found this, thought it might be useful...
Side effects and contra-indications
� There are NO side effects in photon therapy
� There are healing reactions though
� Diseases with a tendency of bleeding eg. Colitis are a contra-indication
� Pacemaker,epilepsy, pregnancy are conditions, that are contra-indicated, because of lack of study results
Remember:
� Instead of treating longer with more intensity, treat more often! Repeat treatment until result is stable.
� Always give toxin binding agents, since toxins are being loosened.
(Reminder: when it says "treat more often" I believe it means continue treatments until you see results. Treatment should never be more than 3 times a week, for Borrelia it is 2 times a week.)
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I can report that I used this thing on my very painful heels, and the pain has gone down about 75% since yesterday. I can walk today without wincing.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: (Reminder: when it says "treat more often" I believe it means continue treatments until you see results. Treatment should never be more than 3 times a week, for Borrelia it is 2 times a week.)
Hens, how long are your treatments? I know I'm nowhere near ready to treat the way you do, but how long do you spend on each point?
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You're using the PE1 right? Does it come with instructions?
Are you using both the Borrelia and Bart nosodes or just the Borrelia? Or just the PE1 without nosodes?
Thinking of using either the Bionic or PE1 with dd--trying to save like crazy right now--so thank you so very much for posting your experiences.
Wishing you much success and relief!
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From the beginning, Dr. W. had us at 10 points for 325 seconds (5 minutes 25 seconds) each point. The only thing that varied was the power (25%, 50%, 75%, 100%).
Now that I'm treating coinfections, the Hz varies but not the points and the time at each point.
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quote:Originally posted by aMomWithHope: Hambone,
You're using the PE1 right? Does it come with instructions?
Right. I'm using the PE-1. It came with instructions, but not the kind of instructions sick people with Lyme need.
quote:Originally posted by aMomWithHope: Are you using both the Borrelia and Bart nosodes or just the Borrelia? Or just the PE1 without nosodes?
I am currently using 10 vials of Borrelia nosodes I got from Deseret Biologicals. The description of these Borrelia nosodes ( on their website ) say they also hit Erhlichia and Babesia.
I have 10 more vials of just Bartonella nosodes, but haven't used them yet. Am doing the Borrelia ones first for a while to see what happens. Then I will add in a blood nosode.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: From the beginning, Dr. W. had us at 10 points for 325 seconds (5 minutes 25 seconds) each point. The only thing that varied was the power (25%, 50%, 75%, 100%).
Now that I'm treating coinfections, the Hz varies but not the points and the time at each point.
Thanks. I turned the frequency down yesterday to 30% and used it for a minute on each point.
But I did get wild and turned it up to 70% when I put it on my heels.
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Do you need to take antibiotics anymore after treatment in Germany with Bionic photon therapy and ozone.
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I did not take any antibiotics after treatment with the Bionic. I have not taken any herbs for killing bacteria, either, though I have taken herbs for detox, mold, and parasites.
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Maradona,
Dr. W's protocol is 3 weeks of Bionic treatment, 4 weeks off to heal and detox, and repeat as many times as necessary until all infections are gone.
During the treatment weeks, 2 treatments a week are permitted, so this means 5-6 treatments with him if you stay for 3 weeks.
Dr. W. will treats 5 times and then tests you to see if you are clear of borrelia or if you need a sixth treatment. If you need more than 6 treatment to clear borrelia, you'd have to wait another month to treat again with the Bionic.
I believe Six needed more, but Get'em and I tested clear of Borrelia after 5 treatments. I'm not sure about Hiker.
Some people go back to Dr. W. a few months later for more treatment. I knew I had more infections than just borrelia and so I bought the Bionic to continue my treatment at home for the other infections. (Plus I am treating my family.)
So if you received treatment from Dr. W. for 3 weeks and then came home, you would likely still have your other infections.
The way I feel now, I could see treating the other infections with herbs rather than abx as a possibility.
Does that answer your question?
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Right, I didn't test as clear, but had the weakest memory of borrelia still showing, so Dr. Woitzel had me do THREE more treatments for a total of 8 treatments over a period of four weeks. He did not have me wait to do those follow up treatment.
I ended up treating for several more weeks, twice per week before I took a break. NEVER more than twice per week.
The rest time is as important as the treatment time and it's important to NOT use any killing medium as it's supposed to be REST from treatment.
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I have not read all of the posts on this thread so sorry if this is a repeat question.
If I feel that Borrelia is probably the least of my problems at this stage in treatment does that mean that the Bionic would not be recommended?
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I did a longer treatment yesterday ( 15 minutes ) and am really feeling it today.
Amazing how a light can do this.
Question for anybody who used the PE-1....
I've been using frequency F ( only because that's what the tutorial video at Lumenergetics said to use ).
I just saw that frequency J is the one that rotates through each frequency every 7 seconds so you can receive all of the healing benefits of each frequency.
Did any of you use this frequency? Which one(s) did you find most helpful?
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I'm not familiar with the PE1 frequencies, but I would use the one between 9-12 if there is one. That is the closest to the earth's frequency, which Dr. W thinks should be used.
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quote:Originally posted by Haley: If I feel that Borrelia is probably the least of my problems at this stage in treatment does that mean that the Bionic would not be recommended?
I would think if Borrelia is the least of your problems, it's not that Bionic can't help you. You need to figure out which nosodes to use to help your particular problem. If Bartonella is your nemesis, then you would use that as a nosode along with the Bionic.
I tested higher for Bartonella than I did for Borrelia through electrodermal screening. But I decided to treat with Borrelia nosodes first just to be sure, and I am Herx'ing from it.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I'm not familiar with the PE1 frequencies, but I would use the one between 9-12 if there is one. That is the closest to the earth's frequency, which Dr. W thinks should be used.
Nah. There's only letters A through J.
It says F is the universal frequency, whatever that means. And that's the one the tutorial at Lumenergetics said to use, so I have stuck with that one.
I was just curious since J rotates through all of them every 7 seconds, if that one would be better.
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I would stick with the universal frequency (whatever that means). Maybe get fancy later. I don't know if that's the right answer, but I know we used one frequency with the Bionic.
Haley, I did not have the most symptoms from the borrelia, babesia seemed much more prominent, but borrelia is still the place to start. Dr. W says to treat it first, then the other infections.
Whether it would be a help for you depends on what other problems you think are in the forefront. If it's parasites, I'd treat those first. Metals, I'd treat those first. The Bionic is for the infections.
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Haley, before I went to Dr. W., I wondered if I even had borrelia. Bart symptoms were in my face, Babesia were very slight, and lyme didn't seem to be an issue.
It had been an issue in the first 4 months after my bite but after taking 3 months of doxy, those symptoms had all gone away.
Then Dr. W. tested me. Shocker! Borrelia read as highest, with Babesia being right behind it.
As I look back on the last 15 years now (which is approx. how long I've had borrelia according to Dr. W.'s test), I do see that lyme & babesia have been with me a very long time.
So I thought Bart was my big infection. But since borrelia was removed from the equation, bart and babesia symptoms have seemed much less obvious. Much more controlled. Almost just annoyances.
And soon, they too will be gone - HAH! ( to all my other infections!)
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17hens Is Bionic helping the same to other family members. And can you use in kids age 3 -8 years old.
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quote:Originally posted by Maradona: 17hens Is Bionic helping the same to other family members. And can you use in kids age 3 -8 years old.
Hmmm, good questions.
First... Is the Bionic as helpful to my kids as it is to me?
I might not be the best one to answer this as I've only been home less than 8 weeks. I think people tend to look at this treatment as "insta-cure" but it's not. Treating with the Bionic requires consistancy, patience, and lots of detox.
There's no reason for me to doubt the machine will help my family as much as it's helped me, it's just that their recovery won't be as obvious as mine.
My daughter has had lyme since she was 7 (she's 15 now). She's had stomach acid (been on 80mg protonix for 2+ years), the "grumpies" and bartonella streaks almost that long.
She treated with abx for 8 months of Bart treatment and stopped this past December due to major brain fog (couldn't attend school for 6 weeks), physical fatigue, and sleep issues (needs meds to go to sleep).
She's been doing liver packs and flushes since January. Since cleaning her liver, the brain fog is much improved, physical fatigue is better, the "grumpies" are even improved and stomach acid has gotten better but not gone (down to 20mg protonix daily). She still needs meds to get to sleep. Since April she has been having hair loss as well (which tells me thyroid or adrenals are off).
She did 3 weeks of bionic treatment (4 treatments with borrelia nosodes and 2 adding a blood nosode)and is on week 2 of her 4 week break.
The biggest improvement I've seen is that her physical fatigue has lessened but is not totally back to normal (she spent 7 hours at Hershey Park one day recently (in 98 degree weather too!) and has started working out at the gym), her "grumpies" are a bit better, and she's been off all meds for stomach acid for 3 weeks now with two exceptions. (That's the one that really excites me!!)
So you see, it's NOT a quick fix, treat it and you're healed kind of thing. It is a slow and steady process peeling back the layers of this disease.
It IS a treatment that strengthens your body, guiding it to do the bacteria killing and healing on it's own (the best part of it I think is treatment without drugs).
Second... Yes, you can use it on a person of any age.
What it does essentially is the light gives the cells the strength they need to communicate like healthy cells do. The infections weaken the cells and prohibit communication (talking on a cellular level here). The weak cells (not the healthy ones) take their strength from the light and are able to work like healthy cells, in the case of borrelia treatment, to kill borrelia bacteria.
There is nothing about light giving energy to cells that is harmful. Anyone can do it, any age. The only situations that are contraindicated are pregnancy (not tested), pace makers, and bleeding.
I think you asked 2 short questions and I gave you 2 long answers. Sorry if it is too much info. Hope this helps.
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Kind of off topic.. not really. I would love to see a CD57 test before and after bionic treatments..
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You know, when I heard about CD57, I was so impressed, like it was the test I had been looking for, an answer to my problems (had tested negative 3 different times on WB & coinfections).
Then I got one, my family got them, my friends got them, I read threads here of various posters' results, and it didn't impress me anymore. Too confusing, not congruent, not giving answers to many.
To me, how I feel is what matters.
But if I ever get another one, I'll let you know.
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I just want to say thanks to all of you for posting your experiences. It is all sooooo very helpful. Antibiotics have never felt like the answer to me and rife seems too complicated for my Lyme brain. It's taken me the last year to just get back up over 100 lbs and get strong enough to do any treatment. So I'm working on my metals now and then I hope to try the PE. The thing that excites me is that I could treat my kids. They're not sick but I know my tick bite was before I had kids. I would love to treat them before they get sick, just in case they are carrying anything.
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Fuel, I didn't mean to squelch the CD57 idea. Sorry about that.
Before Germany, I asked Six a few times how she knew she was better, had test results changed? I wanted "proof."
The thing is, I think, that since no LLMD in the states (that I know of) knows much about photon machines, by the time we get to this kind of treatment, we don't have an LLMD anymore. At least I don't. We are on our own, which for one thing means no lab testing.
There is one exception I can think of. Got'emall (page 2 of this thread) is still with her LLMD. Maybe she'd consider sharing/comparing lab results like CD57s, after she's treated with her photon machine for awhile. Just a thought.
jlp38, that's what got my attention too. My kids.
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My LLMD doesn't use the CD 57 anyway. Plus, he believes the Western Blot only shows exposure, that you go by symptoms to know whether you're well or not no matter what treatment you are on.
I no longer have Lyme symptoms, babesia symptoms, or bartonella symptoms. That's all I have to go on.
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Since I put this research info in another thread, I thought I'd stick it here too, so it can all be kept together...
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I had such a much better day yesterday, I decided to up the intensity to 50% and used it for 20 minutes instead of 15.
I was prepared to feel it the next day because I had the last two times....
but omg!!!!!!!
Y'all, this thing is p.o.w.e.r.f.u.l.
You were not kidding. I am a hurting puppy today. It is definitely changing something in my body. I even get the same weird sensation in my teeth I get when I take Bactrim DS.
Off to go detox and make it an "in bed day".
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Keep up with the detox, Hambone!! I know everyone can't go to Germany, but this is why I think it's best when it's possible. Hang in there!! And detox, detox, detox!!!
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Keep up with the detox, Hambone!! I know everyone can't go to Germany, but this is why I think it's best when it's possible. Hang in there!! And detox, detox, detox!!!
I'm hurting, but it's a MUCH better feeling knowing that the antibiotics have been taken out of the equation. No more wondering, "Is it a Herx or a medication reaction?"
I'll be ok. I've been worse.
Just so amazed that a light can do this.
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What's even better, IMHO, is that this means the body is fighting back against the infection itself (because of the light). It's being given the resources to fight and to heal. Restoring health, slow and steady, now that's good!
Glad to hear you're OK, Hambone.
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Has anyone had the problem wwhere photons help and cause herxes initially but then the effect wears off?
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quote:17hens: I visualized a battle going on inside me. Borrelia with swords on one side and white blood cells with swords on the other. The white blood cells won every time!
Hi 17hens, this sentence gave me an image of the uneven battle between the Borrelia Bugs and and the White Warriors. It is possible the WW didn't cover this to begin with because their weapons were malfunctioning. 2 major reasons for this malfunction is lack of vitamin C or/and lack of selenium. Both fuel for the Macrofages. And selenium is usually seriously low these days.
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sixgoofykids
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quote:Originally posted by dan67: Has anyone had the problem wwhere photons help and cause herxes initially but then the effect wears off?
I wouldn't really call what happens with photons herxes. It's not the same as with abx. You feel your body fighting, but it's definitely different.
I just continued to get better and better.
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six: When I used my PE-1 a few months ago, it did amazing things for me but didn't seem to last. Perhaps I need different nosodes as time goes on, or to photon blood. Also, since then I've needed treatment for other things too, like KPU, so perhaps my body wasn't ready to fight the infections yet. I recently completed a course of Rifampin which helped a lot, and am doing other things too, so I'll be back at the photons soon... hopefully a less burdened body will respond better.
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