lymie_in_md
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2008 the good ol days, ay Six, where you could be bonked to death by some nasty poster followed up by some crony friends. Ah, how much more sedate and cerebral has lymenet gotten. I truly like the new days better!
O2 -- kind of guessed the PE1 would still be in the box. I have hope in time you'll find the LED usefull and really happy to see you posting.
I agree very much with Sparkle, parasites are very important to take care of. And, I now believe it is very important to find a practioner to partner with. One who can help clean your blood as well as using homeopathy to mitigate any autoimmune issues.
Consider the following list:
> parasite cleanse at least 60 days > lots of enzymes -- this will also help clean the blood if done between meals while doing the parasite cleanse > kidney cleanse --> 20 days after the parasite cleanse had started > liver cleanse --> should aid in detoxification > replace any amalgams with composite material > pe1 with practioner or bionic and germany > lymph support
Thought I'd highlight some of the areas to consider when you approach light therapy. It is way of minimizing risk and maximizing gain.
Lastly, most people don't take to this method of treatment because they've made a choice. The choice is ABX and an LLMD, that is the accepted protocol. I hope someday this will be part of an LLMDs bag of tricks. I'm guessing if we find success, you'll see this being done by chiropracters and osteopaths.
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That's a good list to consider, Bob!
Here's some advice for Bionic treatment...
* Treat 2 days a week, allowing at least 2 days off inbetween, for 3 weeks. Ex. treat mondays and thursdays for 3 weeks
* Turn off wifi and cordless phones while treating and might as well just throw away the microwave.
Cell phones and the like should be in another room with the door closed.
For best results, turn wifi and cordless phones off long term.
The reason being, the waves used by wifi, cordless phones and microwaves mess up the messages sent between cells so the body is getting garbled messages. (Not good during treatment. I prefer crispy, clear messages - KILL THOSE BORRELIA!)
* Stop all abx, medicines 2 weeks before treatment to get everything out of the body.
Stop all killing herbs 2 days before treatment.
This isn't written in my literature but Dr. W. had me stop EVERYTHING 2 days before treatment and it makes sense (of course, I'm sure there always must be a few exceptions).
* Keep a positive mindset during treatment. This is energetic medicine and you'll need positive energy for it to work well. Avoid stress. Focus on the things you love and the things that bring you peace.
* Understand that the Bionic's message to the cells will be remembered by the body for 5 days and there is nothing you can do to stop it. (Not like a bad herx from abx and you can't take it anymore so you stop abx for a few days.)
* Put a serious detox plan in place. Six used coffee enemas, Cowden's Burbur and Pekana. I am using cod liver oil packs, coffee enemas, mini flushes, and Cowden's Burbur.
* Keep it simple (treatment, detox, healing) - wise advice from Sage Six!
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For those who have gone to Germany for treatmnet, how many patients had mcs? I have severe mcs and can't tolerate standard hotel rooms, fragrance, cigareete smoke. so wonder how I could survive the trip. Is the Gasthaus fragrance-free...use fragrance free laundry products, no artifical air "fresheners", etc. What bout Dr. W's office? Does the medical staff wear clothing washed in fragranced laundry product? wear pefume?
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Lymie, PE1 is in the box because of the way life has gone the last 18 months and how much wilderness camping helped me, how we crisscrossed the country looking at "safe" homes that were crap, and how MCS I discovered I was in hotel rooms and most homes. So I'm building a nontoxic trailer starting this fall. And that is not simple, it took me a good six months to even find the right builder, and then, I will have to test all materials. Makers of "nontoxic" are not necessarily that honest. I just discovered that bonded logic denim insulation changed their source to post-consumer recycled denim which means FULL OF FABRIC SOFTENER. The company didn't advertise this, a fellow MCS person let me know. And once I can settle into a really good place in a truly nontoxic little portable vardo home, maybe a year from now, I can have my doc muscle test me with ergopathics and use the PE1. He already uses lots of homeopathy. And I've found a few really good spots but seem to have settled probably on south Georgia/North Florida--the latter has a great wilderness area that was amazing. And my doc is in Atlanta.
We are all different but healing occurs much faster if you lift the environmental load of toxins. Even on here people are talking about how fantastic the black forest air was etc.
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FYI - This company has & makes a bunch of different infrared light arrays -
Good luck, O2babe! Hope everything works out for you... and everyone else.
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So happy for you 17hens!
Can you take antibiotics while doing photon treatment?
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Oops...I thought I read your whole thread, but just realized I only read page 1....ok, on to page 2..
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: That's a good list to consider, Bob!
Here's some advice for Bionic treatment...
* Treat 2 days a week, allowing at least 2 days off inbetween, for 3 weeks. Ex. treat mondays and thursdays for 3 weeks
* Turn off wifi and cordless phones while treating and might as well just throw away the microwave.
Cell phones and the like should be in another room with the door closed.
For best results, turn wifi and cordless phones off long term.
The reason being, the waves used by wifi, cordless phones and microwaves mess up the waves used by the Bionic - so the body is getting garbled messages. (Not good during treatment. I prefer crispy, clear messages - KILL THOSE BORRELIA!)
* Stop all abx, medicines 2 weeks before treatment to get everything out of the body.
Stop all killing herbs 2 days before treatment.
This isn't written in my literature but Dr. W. had me stop EVERYTHING 2 days before treatment and it makes sense (of course, I'm sure there always must be a few exceptions).
* Keep a positive mindset during treatment. This is energetic medicine and you'll need positive energy for it to work well. Avoid stress. Focus on the things you love and the things that bring you peace.
* Understand that the Bionic's message to the cells will be remembered by the body for 5 days and there is nothing you can do to stop it. (Not like a bad herx from abx and you can't take it anymore so you stop abx for a few days.)
* Put a serious detox plan in place. Six used coffee enemas, Cowden's Burbur and Pekana. I am using cod liver oil packs, coffee enemas, mini flushes, and Cowden's Burbur.
* Keep it simple (treatment, detox, healing) - wise advice from Sage Six!
Six, Got'em, Hiker, can you think of more?
Quoting so you don't miss this!!! Funny how 17 Hens remembered more of what I did than I do, LMAO!
I also used Dr. Natura cleanse and Hulda Clark liver cleanse. This was waaayyyy late in Bionic treatment. Helped tons.
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Tonglen: I have MCS pretty severely. I was also concerned about the chemicals. Because you air your room or apartment out every couple of hours, there is NO problem there whatsoever.
In Dr. W.'s office, I am guessing that a lot of people have MCS, because there was only ONE day that a woman was wearing perfume. She was in the waiting room, and it really got to me. I told Dr. W's assistant and she IMMEDIATELY put me in another room to wait.
I think I was too nervous during the plane rides and train rides to notice if there were any problems there! I do know that at the airport in Charlotte, NC I stopped at Starbucks and a woman had some AWFUL perfume . . . I had to leave the area.
Those were the only problems AT ALL, though.
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I think 17Hens covered the basics well. DO NOT OVERTREAT WITH THE BIONIC!! More is not better.
Don't overdo the coffee enemas, either, or you will really mess up your electrolytes.
For me, I had to kill the bartonella before all of the borrelia could be killed, even though Dr. W proclaimed me energetically free from borrelia. There must have been a few cells left, but once I used the machine and killed bart the borrelia was easier to get rid of.
DO NOT GO ON Allergie-Immun!!!!! I am regretting it right now. I started it before I did the bionic in 2009 and stopped in May of 2010 and am still detoxing and have terrible days where I can barely walk. The days I do not release toxins I feel great. I think the body can learn to live in harmony with a few toxins, but I know some would disagree, so this is just MY OPINION!!
My travel partner is much much better after using the bionic (no AI).
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quote:Originally posted by hiker53: For me, I had to kill the bartonella before all of the borrelia could be killed, even though Dr. W proclaimed me energetically free from borrelia. There must have been a few cells left, but once I used the machine and killed bart the borrelia was easier to get rid of.
Did you just use the machine to kill the Bartonella? Or did you use blood or nosodes?
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O2 -- really hope you get your environment right to where you can finally open the PE1 box. Why don't you open a MCS topic specific to creating a perfect environment. We could all chime in on what we've learned or take a minute or two to help with research. Logically speaking, 100 eyes are better then two.
In my environment, I've started to switch over from incandesent bulbs to LED (definitely want to avoid CFLs at all cost -- after spending soooo much time getting rid of mercury). However my issues are quite simple compared to the decision process someone with MCS must have. You have to worry whether a material for every material in the house is safe or safe enough to be selected. Which has to be a mountain of minute detail.
I pray for good speed for that sanctuary to help you heal.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids:
quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Here's some advice for Bionic treatment...
For best results, turn wifi and cordless phones off long term.
The reason being, the waves used by wifi, cordless phones and microwaves mess up the waves used by the Bionic - so the body is getting garbled messages. (Not good during treatment. I prefer crispy, clear messages - KILL THOSE BORRELIA!)
NOTE: I am making a change to what I wrote above as I mispoke...
The waves from the wifi and cordless phone garble the messages sent NOT from the Bionic to the cell BUT the messages sent from CELL to CELL.
According to Dr. W., these garbled messages mess up our body's ability to protect itself, heal itself, fight etc. They just make a bad situation worse.
Turning off Wifi will allow the body to clearly send and receive messages... obviously it's everywhere but turning off the wave umbrella over our own house is the best we can do.
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Yes, I got rid of my cordless phone and my wifi. In the beginning cell phones bothered me, even if people were just texting around me. Now it doesn't anymore.
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All in good time, LymieinMd. I PM'ed you because I felt annoyed at the judgment in the first post, but this one is nicer, so thanks and don't get too annoyed at my PM.
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PS my best advice is, if anyone wants to know how they really could feel...go to a wilderness area and camp for a week, two or three. I don't mean a state campground. I mean a national forest or somewhere that there are a couple hundred thousand acres of forest. They are all over the country.
If you have mold illness you might want to do that in a dry area. If not, you can do it anywhere. We found Osceola National Forest to be great. There are three supposedly beautiful national forests in Florida (where Osceola is).
Just notice the profound difference in how you feel, and you'll understand what modern life does to the body. And DON'T camp in an RV. Those are toxic. You need to camp in a tent and sleep on the blessed earth.
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I have not tested it or tried myself, but it is tempting. Did anybody researched it or use it?
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quote: Turning off Wifi will allow the body to clearly send and receive messages...
Yes, but turning on wifi allows my computer to clearly send and receive messages to webpages!
Okay, I was just kidding. I agree that wifi and cellphones and EMFs are all harmful, but sometimes it's just too difficult to stay away from them.
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From O2
quote:All in good time, LymieinMd. I PM'ed you because I felt annoyed at the judgment in the first post, but this one is nicer, so thanks and don't get too annoyed at my PM.
Just want to appologize it is not what I meant, I adjusted the offending post.
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James, the cord coming to my computer works as well or better than wifi.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: James, the cord coming to my computer works as well or better than wifi.
Shoot. How do I get one of those cords for my iPhone?
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There's controvesy about MMS - re: miracle-mineral-solutions.com
It made me really ill. I think there may be other ways. I don't think it's the cure all that it's touted to be.
Great story, O2babe. You could write a book about your experiences.
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Sparkle, I've been interested in learning about MMS recently, and I'm curious to try it.
Would you say that you are pretty certain that you felt ill from the MMS and not from herxing?
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quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: PS my best advice is, if anyone wants to know how they really could feel...go to a wilderness area and camp for a week, two or three. I don't mean a state campground. I mean a national forest or somewhere that there are a couple hundred thousand acres of forest. They are all over the country.
If you have mold illness you might want to do that in a dry area. If not, you can do it anywhere. We found Osceola National Forest to be great. There are three supposedly beautiful national forests in Florida (where Osceola is).
Just notice the profound difference in how you feel, and you'll understand what modern life does to the body. And DON'T camp in an RV. Those are toxic. You need to camp in a tent and sleep on the blessed earth.
I'd be scared to death the whole time of being bitte by more ticks....LOL. I'd be more stressed out than ever!
I hope I lose this fear once I heal. But right now just looking at woods and forests gives me the willies.
I was already sick with Lyme, but went to a national forest in Florida just to get out of my house and get some fresh air. Sat at a picnic table, leaned across the railing of a dock, and never once did I touch any kind of bush or high grass.
Came home and had three ticks embedded in my upper abdomen from where they crawled through my button up shirt when I leaned on the top of the picnic table and when I lean over the dock railing to watch alligators.
I'll stick with the beach, cruises and Vegas for a while. No more miss wilderness girl here.
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quote:Originally posted by fx: For the Ozone Therapy I have found something different which increases oxygen level in your body. http://www.miracle-mineral-solutions.com/
I have not tested it or tried myself, but it is tempting. Did anybody researched it or use it?
What about that stuff called Cell Food?
It supposedly increases oxygen in your blood.
Has anybody tried that?
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I tried Cell Food. Some people swear by Oxygen Drops. I'm not sure if it really works or not. I'd like to see some more studies about it. I also did Hydrogen Peroxide drips & they didn't seem to do much. Cell Food didn't seem bad, though.
I might have had a herx from the MMS. It's worth a try but I'm kind of undecided about it. I think the guy who invented it changed the protocol so it's not as harsh now. Before, you were supposed to push it a bit.
The whole chlorine/chlorite thing is a bit confusing to me. I don't know if it's really something that's good for the body.
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Re: camping and ticks...
1) I had a premonition about lyme, I think. I mentioned it to the woman I was going to visit: "I can't afford to get lyme disease" and she told me it was safe (her cottage), which the whole area was not as it was ground zero for lyme disease, 10 miles from Old Lyme, Ct. Which I did not realize. Then the day of the visit which was just about four hours, I avoided petting her dogs, walking on any sprigs of grass at the cottage, and tall grasses at her husband's boathouse, with this great anxiety over lyme disease. But I took her invitation to stand in her small frontyard garden on her nice sod-grass lawn all smooth and weedless, by the paved street, not a deer in sight...and that's where I got it, since she announced, "The deer like to eat these flowers."
So...there is fate...whether or not one believes it...
2) In Texas where we camped there were a lot of fire ants, and they decimate tick populations...so I didn't worry much there. I did avoid campgrounds where deer tend to come close to the campers or onto the sites, and I didn't take any hikes in any woods.
3) In Florida or Georgia, I ask about ticks ahead of time. Some campgrounds have them, some tend not to. The camp hosts usually tell me what's up with that. At one site, the host said he'd had three ticks on him. At another site, the host camper said he used bounce dryer sheets to repel ticks. I also asked campers with dogs whether they'd found ticks on their dogs. Some sites there are no ticks anyone can report, and others, frequent. So a little asking ahead of time helps. It really depends what type of site you're picking and how wooded it is. I also generally picked open sites, that weren't near the wooded parts.
4) Some areas will have no ticks at all--like the high desert, or death valley, and so on.
I can understand your anxiety--and my journey has kind of evolved. I didn't leave NYC planning to camp a lot, but now I really crave it.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979:
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: James, the cord coming to my computer works as well or better than wifi.
Shoot. How do I get one of those cords for my iPhone?
I use 3G with no problem on my iPhone, but as soon as I turn on wifi or bluetooth, I start feeling drained.
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That's interesting about the fire ants! You do not want to get attacked by fire ants at all... I accidentally steped on a mound a couple of weeks ago & hundreds were on my feet in minutes.
You have to scrub the bites with providone iodine for a few minutes but they still left a few welts. I used baking soda, too.
I think the heat may make for less ticks in some cases. There is definitely Lyme in SC in any case... FYI - http://www.sc-lyme.com/scticks.html
How does Bounce dryer sheets get rid of ticks?
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I got a few bites from fire ants--but nothing too bad. Prefer it to a fricken tickbite that leaves you with a chronic infection!
In Texas, every morning we were camping I'd sweep away the mounds they'd built in the night. They get very annoyed if you get near what they consider their rightful new home--and they are industrious little creature.
I guess he thought the ticks didn't like the smell. He would actually put a dryer sheet in his pocket. Just about the last thing I could ever do.
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Yeah, I hate laundry detergent smell. I actually used iodide drops for the fire ant bites since I didn't have the other iodine - I forget which one it is - Betidine or Provodine. Maybe they are the same?
I think you just have to scrub them to get the poison out. Yes, it's no long term, life threatening thing like ticks...
I don't know, the Bounce dryer sheet seems like magical thinking. I knew someone who felt that way about bad cologne. I couldn't stand to be in the same house as he was in.
Sorry to get so off track with this thread here.
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Dr Bronner's Peppermint soap (liquid, like shampoo) repels ticks. I carry a spray bottle with Dr Bronner's Peppermint soap, diluted w water, to spray on my boots.
Until now. The peppermint is really strong, it gets tracked around, and dissolves the varnish on hardwood floors!
It also contact kills ticks, carpenter ants, slugs, and red lily beetles. I assume it would kill fireants, why not?
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I got to 15 drops with MMS and thought it was way too much. It kill's pathogens but it doesn't heal the body. I think you need to heal the body as much as what you are trying to kill from the body. So a good plan needs to be in place, to heal the body is also to consider EMF, especially for lyme or anything else. EMF and dirty electricity, maybe some reasons why many people can do have success with all the protocols they put themselves on.
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I tried MMS and it burned my esophagus and made me puke--it turns into bleach in the body. Very dangerous in my opinion.
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Hiker, you said you had to get rid of Bart before you could completely get rid of lyme.
What frequency did you get rid of Bart with? Six said she used 28. did you need the same?
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I used 28 with the Deseret, but that didn't get rid of it. Bart went away over time .... when I was treating with blood monthly with 11.77.
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I don't think MMS is dangerous if done wisely. Just like any treatment we do can be dangerous if it isn't thought out.
MMS is difficult to take if you activate it and can give stomach upsets if you take it too close to meals.
I have never seen any literature which shows mms turning into chlorine in the stomach.
Salt is sodium/chloride mms is sodium/chlorite very similar to salt. Both have chlorine molecules both have sodium. Bleach is molecularly much different, I don't know who decided MMS creates chlorine in the body and if it did does it create any more then salt?
Below more accurately describes the chemical reactions occuring:
quote:Any oxygen that is released when chlorine dioxide oxidizes pathogens has nothing to do with the oxidation of the pathogen. Chlorine dioxide oxidizes because it can accept 5 electrons which it takes from anything it can oxidize. The term oxidizer merely means something which scavenges electrons and doesn't necessarily mean oxygen is involved
ClO2(chlorine dioxide) becomes ClO2-(chlorite) which then becomes Cl-(chloride)
the 1st reaction involves 1 electron and the second 4 electrons
note chlorine(Cl2) can also oxidize and gains 2 electrons when it does so no oxygen is involved in this case at all so chlorine dioxide is twice as effective as chlorine without the chlorination problems
This is what Jim Humble says in his book and something he seems to be actually right about, the oxygen here then is not in an oxidation state capable of oxidizing anything and will combine with hydrogen and carbon ions
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This whole topic is fascinating to me - I think when I first joined Lymenet 2 years ago Selma PM'd me about it and I just wasn't ready for the information. Now, after trying so many other things I'm really excited about getting a machine and learning to muscle test for things.
Six and 17Hens (and Brussels etc.) thank you so much for continuing to talk about photons + nosodes. I'm still trying to read all the way through the original 15 page thread about PE-1 and Bionic Selma started 2 years ago. I wish I could afford to go to see Dr. W, but even if I can't I'm committed to doing it myself. Hopefully I can help not only myself before I have a child, but also my mom and dad, as well as my husband with what I find.
In a thousand years I'll bet most medicine will use some theory like this - wish it was better understood in this day and age.
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Thank you, anemone. It sounds like you're having a light bulb moment just like I did a year and a half ago thanks to Six - Yeah! Keep us posted.
I am so glad people are having ears to hear.
Since I've been back on LN, I've been so close to posting on many threads encouraging words about the abx that helped me so much, and they did, don't get me wrong. But they also did a number on me.
But when I'm ready to click the button to add my post, I find I just can't do it. That's not where I'm at anymore and I'm not really sure if I can guide people that way anymore.
How can I try to help them when I know they'll be "harmed" at the same time and they probably won't even know it? I just don't know. I'm still thinking.
I'm so thankful for the chance to help my family in a way that builds up instead of tears down. (Thank you Mom and Dad. You'll never know what this means to me.)
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Is this a good borrelia nosode to buy? The one on the top here? If not, where should I look?
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17hens, thanks for your comments. I have done 1 month of doxy and that's all for antibiotics. I'm right in the thick if the Lyme, not feeling improvement yet, but I just haven't been able to bring myself to take more abx. It just doesn't feel right to me. I constantly question this decision, but I have to trust that I will see healing, that I am healed, even if I don't look/feel it yet. I know most feel abx are the way to go, and I would never question anyone's decision, but it's nice to hear of success via other avenues.
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Hambone
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Is this a good borrelia nosode to buy? The one on the top here? If not, where should I look?
Somebody told me that the energetic ones don't stay energized for long...that the homeopathic ones are better.
I ordered some homeopathic ones today from Deseret Biologicals. Go the their website and look in the product catalogue under series therapy. They have a Borellia one ( nosodes ) that also targets Babesia and Erhlichia. I ordered that and the Bartonella one.
You will have to call Deseret Bio. to find out where the health care practitioners are who use these products so you can get them. I got lucky. The lady who did my electrodermal screening uses them and she was happy to order them for me.
I think klingehardt sells them ,too, but I don't know if they are energetic or homeopathic.
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quote:Originally posted by anemone: In a thousand years I'll bet most medicine will use some theory like this - wish it was better understood in this day and age.
I call it Star Trek medicine. LOL
I hope it works well for you!
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Hambone, I used the Deseret ones. I think that you pretty much have to use the Lyme one because it's too much to use blood at the beginning, but I would switch over to blood from there. Or maybe switch to the bart, then to the blood.
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Does anyone else have any knowledge if homeopathics (deseret) actually work better than energetics (ergopathic). I know "bejoy" here on lymenet used ergopathics.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Hambone, I used the Deseret ones. I think that you pretty much have to use the Lyme one because it's too much to use blood at the beginning, but I would switch over to blood from there. Or maybe switch to the bart, then to the blood.
Thanks!
So.....it would be bad to tape both ( Lyme and Bart ) to my solar plexus at the same time, I'm assuming.
One at a time?
When I had energetic testing done, it showed that Bart was a bigger issue than Lyme was. Should I still start with Lyme?
About the homeopathic vs. energetic nosodes question...
all I know is with the energized ones, you have to be very careful about keeping them away from cell phones, wifi, electrical outlets and sources, radios, etc. or these will interfere with / mess them up and make them less effective.
If you order them, you have no idea how many of these things they were exposed to in transit before they get to you.
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