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I would think the homeopatic ones would be stronger but who knows in the world of energetic medicine. It might work if you just write the name of the pathogen on a piece of paper & attach it to your solar plexis... I'm not being sarcastic, either.
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Hambone, I'd start with the Lyme. I thought babesia was my strongest infection, and I still think it was, but I still had to start with Lyme. Once Lyme loses its hold over you, the bart won't feel so bad. That's how Dr. W does it, anyway. (LOL, hiker, sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree. Hambone, maybe muscle test to see which is better for you).
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Sixgoofy--seems like you and I have given Hambone different opinions. I do know Dr. W started with lyme with me, too, but he does not treat co-infections or at least he didn't two years ago.
I don't know if the bart went away easier, becuse the lyme load was lower, but I do know I did not get all of the borrelia killed until after all the bartonella was gone.
I think each person is different and it really doesn't matter which you start with, because you can always go back and retreat with the bionic--that's the nice thing about it. You are not locked into a antibiotic regimen.
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Thanks for the heads up on homeopathics vs ergopathics. Really appreciate it.
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Here's Selma's post on radionics vs homeopathics (radionics are the machine-made ones that are sold at www.lumenenergetics.com):
[bionic880-PE1] Homeopathics versus Energetics (Radionics)... From: Selma To: [email protected]
I am convinced radionics do work, because of my own experiences using my radionics machine for the last year.
But I'm still not convinced of 2 points: - that they are exactly as strong as homeopathics - that they last as long as homeopathics (specially the ones in sugar pellets).
My homeopathic stuff I bought years ago and protected them with aluminium foil, passed through Xrays etc, they are still very good today (most are in water solution).
I now need about 3-4 years of storing radionics to have the same confidence as I have with homeopathics.
I know that Hahnemann's sugar pellets were still active 100 years AFTER by some literature I read. This is pretty much what anyone could expect right?
Selma ------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- Selma is here, reading this thread! She just can't post, because the moderators had to block all posts coming from Asia and Australia, because of heavy spam streams.
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Sparkle, what an interesting experiment that would be to try with a piece of paper. Have you read Hidden Messages in Water?
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Yes you tape the borrelia only to your solar plexus for treatment. Then when you treat bart you only tape the bart nosodes to your solar plexus.
If you have thyroid troubles keep the machine away from your thyroid gland!
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quote:Originally posted by hiker53:
If you have thyroid troubles keep the machine away from your thyroid gland!
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Yes, but if it's hypo, shouldn't you be using it on the thyroid?
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jlp38 - yes, I know about that. This type of light medicine is based on quatum physics. Alot of things are possible.
Also, there's the use of the mind. The placebo effect actually works. I'm not saying that the infrared light & homeopathy are placebo effects but it's interesting to consider the potential.
I haven't had alot of direct experience with radionics/energetics - so, I can't really say about that. It's just that if energetic copies are made, it seems to be getting away from the "actual" substance. On the other hand, more dilute homeopathic remedies are often "stronger"...
I have experienced the potential of infrared light therapy. It's a very different feeling than healing with drugs or herbs. It's quite strong & potentially unpredictable. You have to be careful with it.
Not everything responds to this type of healing. I had big problems with it because I didn't know I had a parasite issue. It's taken me 2 years or so to deal with the parasites. I'm finally getting to the point of feeling better. So, this stuff takes a bit of patience.
I wish I knew this 16 years ago. I'd like to try the infrared light therapy again after getting rid of the parasite issue. It seems you have to get rid of the "gross" pathogens before you can fine tune it towards the more energetic ones. Just my experience.
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Thyroid and bionic--Sixgoofy, I am not sure about using the bionic if you are hypothyroid. You might know better than I? I know my friend there had Hashimoto's and Dr. W would not let her use it near her thyroid. Used the soles of the feet instead.
At home I always energy tested if I should use the thyroid point or not. I know several people who severaly messed up their thyroids with overuse of the bionic. Just want people to be careful.
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I am not sure I agree with you. I may have parasites and I used the bionic and got rid of bartonella. I am also free of borrelia, but I bet I still have parasites as I am not quite well, yet. But, I do think I would have been smart to do a parasite cleanse before the bionic.
I did one several years before the bionic for a lengthy period of time--never saw a worm, though, and the parasite remedies--salt/C and Dr. Natura may not have been the correct ones for me.
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I was hoping that Bionic treatment would make my thyroid more active .... but I still need my Armour. I think people who are hyper aren't supposed to use it.
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Dr. W. said not to use the thyroid point only if your thyroid is overactive. So normal and hypo are fine to use it.
I also read in M.K.'s (Hamburg) info that during treatment you can use it on other organs as well that need balancing, so I'm doing adrenals too. We'll see.
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Anybody used it on their pets?
I have an old dog with arthritis/hip issues. Just wondering if this would help a dog.
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Yes. We had a parakeet that was very old and had liver trouble. She lived three years past the liver trouble before she died of a stroke last week at age 11. The vet was shocked she was still alive with the liver trouble. I told him about the light and he has a light he uses on the pets. He also have friends who come over and use his light. His was $14k, so even more $$$ than the bionic.
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A question...
I know after our 3 weeks of treatment, we're supposed to take a break for 4 weeks.
I know that there are a few settings on the Bionic that bring peace and strength to the cells.
During the 4 week break, could I just use it at 5 points on those settings? No nosodes, no killing bacteria, just peace and strength?
Like, let's see here... Regaining internal tranquility, well-being, equilibrium, harmony = 2.47, alternatively 7.83, 5 points each 300 seconds.
What do you think?
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I was unable to take the 3 week break, I had to keep treating for several more weeks. THEN I did take a month off. I think the months off are very important because it allows the body to process all you've given it, like it's catching up. I felt that I made just as much progress during my months off as my months of treatment.
I'd probably take the time off, but you could try it since you're not trying to kill anything .... personally, I chose not to. On the other hand, Dr. W had someone in my group treating back pain outside of Lyme treatment with the photons minus the nosodes.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I was unable to take the 3 week break, I had to keep treating for several more weeks.
Dr. W had someone in my group treating back pain outside of Lyme treatment with the photons minus the nosodes.
How did you know you needed to keep treating for several more weeks?
You're much more of a "follow your gut" kind of gal and I'm a "follow the rules" kind. I want to learn how to become the other.
My brain is actually full of questions, I just try to swallow them so I don't drive people mad.
Both of these scenarios are good to know. Thank you, Six, for consistantly answering my consistant questions!
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I am REALLY starting to consider this as treatment after another year of antibiotics.
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the antibiotics have been working for me. I just don't think they will get me to 100%
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Hens there is one more group who might be difficult to treat. Those who had been overloaded with bad metals and were no longer chelating effectively. The two are interwoven in the chronic disease problem, especially those in the autistic community. I think someday we'll find the bionic or PE1 is just as important in that community.
I'm curious how your detoxification works out in you fingers and ankles. I was an avid racquetball player prior to getting ill in the middle of 2006. I had severe tendonitis in my left elbox. I couldn't play any racquet sports until 2009. I no longer have tendonitis, my elbow is as strong as it was when I was teenager now. I asked a PCP recently if it was possible to get rid of tendonitis. He said NO (a little surprised)! not in his eperience anyways. I guess I have tendonitis without symptoms for the 2 1/2 years. Well, just played tennis with my 23 year old son to a draw this past weekend (we both have 100 mile an hour plus serves. A sure sign of your elbow not being a problem is playing 3 sets of tennis and it doesn't hurt.
I used to use the PE1 on my elbow, while also using some essential oils, Lavendar, tea tree oil and either cedar or pine. I'd use a carrier oil, I think avocado -- good source of magnesium and then use the PE1 for about 10 minutes on the joint.
I guess my point, don't forget about the use of herbals topically with the bionic or PE1. There are many different options to try.
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Bob, normally stiff fingers and ankles are not one of my symptoms, and actually, today they aren't stiff anymore.
The fatigue is still here but not as bad as yesterday. I expect it to be gone the minute I get my period.
Hey, you could try that too for your tendonitis!
But seriously, the topical herbal info is great and I'll make a note of it.
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I never made a nosode with live ticks, thought about it though. I'll provide some thoughts if someone wants to be adventurous. And who might want to work with a homeopath to do it.
If you sweep into brush dragging white felt cloth, then peruse for ticks on the cloth, get about 20 or 30. Gut them and take the internal material out. Then follow the recipe in the link (cheap nosode) work with a homeopath to make sure of what you are creating, instead of ingesting suggest you put drops on the outside of the body where you would put vials like the bionic:
By using 20 to 30 ticks, statistically you should have covered almost every infection you could possibly get.
Not only are you removing the ticks from the environment, a plus. You'll also have a better idea of the tick population within your area.
Just an idea.
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens:
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids:
How did you know you needed to keep treating for several more weeks?
You're much more of a "follow your gut" kind of gal and I'm a "follow the rules" kind. I want to learn how to become the other.
Sorry, I missed this last time I posted. I was not totally clear of Lyme when I left and Dr. W told me to do three more treatments. I felt so good when I came back, that if I started to feel bad again, I'd use the bionic again. In the beginning that made it so I still used it twice a week.
I returned from Germany Nov 1, and went to Italy over Christmas for two weeks. During that two weeks I started to crash with babesia symptoms. I started drinking two cans of tonic water per day and did fine the rest of the trip. That was my first break from photons.
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quote:Originally posted by lymeboy: the antibiotics have been working for me. I just don't think they will get me to 100%
That's how I felt, too. Still, why wait? Maybe you can get to 100% more quickly.
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I was talking with a lady yesterday who was asking me about the Bionic.
A few days earlier, she had spoken with a lady at Lumenergetics. The lady had told her about the PE-1 and had said it treats metals and parasites.
Any PE-1 users know anything about that? If so, I'd like to know how to do it! Sounds interesting!!
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: Any PE-1 users know anything about that? If so, I'd like to know how to do it! Sounds interesting!!
I noticed on their website that you can purchase energetic nosodes for heavy metals, candida, mold, parasites, etc.
Kind of expensive.
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I used Deseret chemtox and metox with the Bionic for heavy metals and chemicals (pharmaceuticl chemicals).
But I had to treat the parasites herbally.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I used Deseret chemtox and metox with the Bionic for heavy metals and chemicals (pharmaceuticl chemicals).
Six, was that enough or did you have to do other metal detox too?
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I had chelated prior to photon treatment, so my metals weren't very high, so that's all I've done since then.
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When this lady told me what the Lumenergetics lady said about killing parasites, I got to thinking...
I've had on and off pelvic inflammation for years. It went away completely while I was taking Parastroy but when I stopped it to go to Germany, the pain came back.
It's not all the time and it's not as bad as it used to be but now I think it's due to parasites, soooooo....
At the end of my 4th Bionic treatment today, I put the handle over my bladder area where the pain is.
Since then I've urinated at least 3 times and each time, at least 10+ of the little critters I've seen before were in the toilette!
So I gathered one on a Q-tip and put it in some distilled water in one of the jars I got to make nosodes with. I'm going to kill them all!!!
I know, Six, keep it simple. I will, I will! I'll wait a bit before I blast them to Timbuktu, but I'll do it. Then we'll see who's hurting who!
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That IS keeping it simple!!! How could it be any simpler???
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So when you guys do Bartonella treatments - how often do you have to do them?
And typically how long?
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I treated twice a week for three weeks with blood nosodes (tried bart nosodes, but didn't work), then once per month after that initial three weeks.
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Oh the Bart nosodes didn't even work for you? Why do you think that is?
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I don't know. Blood worked better. Maybe because blood had all the exact information needed. Maybe because I did it longer. Bart nosodes did something ..... I just think blood is more complete.
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I also treated Bart twice a week for three weeks, only I found the nosodes worked better than the blood. I think it depends on where the bart is hiding. You may see have it in the blood or it may be in deeper tissue.
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I,m left with burning ,scratching and white color on my feet and legs up to kneee and same with my hends(i think is periferal nerve demage), neck kreks ,sometimes have litle presure on my sinuses.
No problem to travell anywhere just will like to do something that will clear this and I will be done with treatment .
Right now I'm on parastroy started for second month ,Tindamax 250mg 3 times a day minocycline 100mg 3x1 and malarone .
Every antibiotic under the sun it does something but not cure me .
Do you people there that had good results think Bionic will help me ore something ellese.
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quote:Originally posted by hiker53: I also treated Bart twice a week for three weeks, only I found the nosodes worked better than the blood. I think it depends on where the bart is hiding. You may see have it in the blood or it may be in deeper tissue.
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Or maybe it depends on what kind of bart you have. Everyone's body is different.
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When you decide to use blood... how much blood do you use?
Do you use fresh blood each time?
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: When this lady told me what the Lumenergetics lady said about killing parasites, I got to thinking...
I've had on and off pelvic inflammation for years. It went away completely while I was taking Parastroy but when I stopped it to go to Germany, the pain came back.
It's not all the time and it's not as bad as it used to be but now I think it's due to parasites, soooooo....
At the end of my 4th Bionic treatment today, I put the handle over my bladder area where the pain is.
Since then I've urinated at least 3 times and each time, at least 10+ of the little critters I've seen before were in the toilette!
So I gathered one on a Q-tip and put it in some distilled water in one of the jars I got to make nosodes with. I'm going to kill them all!!!
Holy cow! That's a good idea!
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quote:Originally posted by Hambone: When you decide to use blood... how much blood do you use?
Do you use fresh blood each time?
Each month, yes, but if more than one in a month, no. I just put some in a little vial. I try to fill it about halfway. Dr. W said that you only needed a couple drops, but I seemed to get stronger results when I had more than that.
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Dr. W. told me 3-4 drops was all that was needed but my DD used that w/ borrelia nosodes and saw no results so far.
As of today she's treating w/ 1/4 vial of blood (menstrual cycle) so I hope to see something happen soon.
It's hard to tell with kids too because they dont' tell you how they feel, only when they feel really lousy. No details make it difficult to know what's really happening.
Dr. W. also told me a blood nosode needs to be refrigerated and will last up to 2 months.
The borrelia nosodes, the ones I got in Germany, will last a life time and do not need refrigeration.
I bought a "black bag" from a photo store in Germany, the kind that keep film safe from X-ray machines, to bring my nosodes home in. I keep them in there all the time.
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quote:Originally posted by Maradona: Every antibiotic under the sun it does something but not cure me . Do you people there that had good results think Bionic will help me ore something ellese.
Maradona, do I think the Bionic could help you, even cure you?
From my own experience, yes, I think you'd have at least as good a chance with it than with antibiotics, maybe even better. (Actually, I think a much better chance but I'm trying not to show my bias.)
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I used new blood each time for the bionic in addition to an older vial. You never know what might be in the new blood that wasn't in the older blood.
After two years I have found my borrelia nosodes from Germany are less than half full. I have them in a black bag in a cabinet, so they are not exposed to heat or sun, but I think if I still had borrelia I might need some new nosodes.
I did buy some nosode soluton from England that was at a higher dilution and used them as well.
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It's hard for me to say about the parasites, hiker. I did a different protocol than you guys have done. I used the LightWorks. I just know I started detoxing something & it was not fun.
I may have had a bad parasite problem but I don't know exactly which parasite it was. I just know that stuff was coming out... If it was a healing crisis - it was too strong. I had no idea of parasites back then.
I think it's better to use the herbs first.
Bob - you are brave dealing with live ticks & gutting them!!! That's a bit too hardcore for me.
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