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For what it's worth When I first started mHBOT in a clinic The owner said Its takes 45 min for full oxygen saturation I am paraphrasing because I don't remember her exact words
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Curious as to why you might think that separated 25 minute dives might be better then?
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I did not say better I think it depends on the person and what they want to accomplish
Two 25 to 30 min dives separated by 4 or 5 hours seemed to be gentler on the system easier to get to sleep later in the day This an unscientific review I would need more time with the practice to give more detail
Two 30 min sessions wasn't overkill for me Two one hour sessions was in my case Thanks
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Interesting article on HBOT and aging:
Article: In a First, Scientists Say They've Partially Reversed a Cellular Aging Process in Humans
245 dives in and you are feeling worse, that’s a good sign. I was not doing so well either. As I look aback at my journal I was having bouts of nausea, a 6 day headache, body stiffness, fatigue, and night sweats. I had many ups and down days and really wasn’t until after the first year I knew I was on my way to doing much better. Stick with it, some people take longer to peel back the layers and don’t rule out alternative therapies to help with some of these issues. Examples I used were acupuncture, homeopathy, and hormone therapy.
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Agreed.
At 8 months, I was also still in rough/fragile condition.
I did experience a very slow (and sometimes difficult to discern) two steps forward, one step back pattern if I analyzed the big picture.
I am grateful every day that I kept at it.
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Peimomma and Phoiph, thanks for your insights and sharing your experiences. It can be perplexing, wondering if we are doing the right thing. I am in it for the long haul - especially after knowing how much hanging in there has helped you both! Thanks for your support.
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This is probably a long shot but...has anyone tried to put an OxyHealth mattress in a Newtowne chamber? If so, does it fit well?
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I have a newtowne and use the mattress that came with it (I find it to be pretty comfy). But FYI, I recently bought a bedrest pillow on Amazon that I like better than using 3 pillows to prop me up.
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Thanks dbpei. I had an OxyHealth prior to owning a Newtowne and I found the OxyHealth mattress much more comfortable. I should probably just suck it up and use the one it came with but I spend a fair amount of time in there and love my creature comforts. ;^)
I use a bed wedge to raise my head but that pillow looks really comfy!
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Digby, I had a Vitaeris and now a Newtowne 34". I would think the mattress would fit. Although I am picturing the OxyHealth one a little less wide. For me, comfort wise it would not be worth the $$ to buy one to put in the other. fwiw.
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kgg, thanks. Do you notice a difference in the mattresses? I find the Newtowne tends to shift around more and isn't as comfortable but I'm questioning my memory on that.
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So I'm on here, not completely sure I have Lyme. Definitely had mold exposure and benefitted greatly from mHBOT. My ongoing symptoms are digestive (tendency toward loose stools and food intolerances). (sleep issues occur when my gut is a problem).
I'm pretty much following the protocol (I'm back to doing full 60 min dives with O2) and looking at 2 years. My question is, would one consider 365 dives x 2 or 2 full calendar years, even if you've missed days here and there? And I realize there's no "graduation" that occurs at a magical 2 year mark ~
I'm at 1 year 7 months and 446 dives. So clearly, I'm a bit behind the 365 x 2 mark.
My sleep is mostly good. My stools are stable (formed!) ~ but that's without adding any new foods. In the past, I kept trying to expand my diet (with really small amounts of "safe" foods ~ like another vegetable, or blueberries or soaked and roasted walnuts ~ no grains or dairy or anything scary like sugar! LOL. But I've come to really value feeling good and being able to count on feeling good most days so I've been waiting to add another food in. Just wondering if I'm looking at April as a potential end point (2 calendar years) or when I get to 730 dives as an endpoint.
Happy Diving!
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Carbokitty,
I don't think you can look at either 2 calendar years, or 365 x 2 dives as an endpoint.
It will all depend on how you are doing, and I trust you will know when it is time to cut back on your dives.
For me, I was doing much better at 1.5 years, but wasn't completely solid, so continued daily dives for 2.5 years. In that final year, I gained so much back mentally and physically that I didn't really know I was missing, as I had not known "wellness" for so long. I'm so glad I didn't quit at that point and miss out on all of those gains.
At the 2.5 mark, I just "knew" it was time to cut back; my body felt it wasn't necessary (a feeling of "too much of a good thing"). A few dives back to back per week felt just right at that point.
Now, I have to remind myself to dive...but I definitely still feel the benefits, so try to get at least 2 in per week.
You sound like you still have a ways to go, but you are someone who is very in tune with your body's wisdom, so I am confident you will know when the time is right.
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Good luck to you carbokitty. I am in a similar boat, but only at 260 dives. I often second guess myself, wondering if I should take a break.
My symptoms are very different from yours - mostly cranial neuropathy, tinnitus, with episodes of pain and fatigue. Some GI issues come up every now and then, but they seem to be less problematic for me than the head stuff.
Thank you for your thoughtful response, Phoiph. Your posts have been so helpful to me. You keep us hopeful!
I have posted this before, but I wonder if by taking nutritional supplements, I am messing with the benefits of mhbot. I think I could use a class on oxidative stress!
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Thanks Phoiph. That's kinda what I thought. I was pretty sure there wasn't an exact recipe. I'm definitely better ~ but again, I'm also not traveling and not exposing myself to mold like I was before. And I can't get FMTs like I was ~ so I'm actually thrilled at this point that my stools are as stable as they are. So fingers crossed!
Some days I feel very constrained by the need to dive every day. But then that frustration passes and I go back to accepting that this is my life right now. (It could be much worse, for sure!). So I'm good. And I'll stop wondering about the textbook recipe. It doesn't exist.
Thanks for your message too, dbpei! Good luck too!
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dbpei...
You are only 8.5 months in! As you know, this is a marathon, not a sprint. I was still in rough shape at 8.5 months.
As long as you are improving overall (sometimes you must look back at your notes to see this)...even with some back-pedaling, you are on the right track.
Keep the faith...and we will keep it for you!
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Carbokitty~
I think feeling "constrained" by the need to dive daily is a good sign...when you are doing better this tends to happen, as your focus changes, and you want to just get on with your life!
But yes, acceptance of "what is" for now, and reminding yourself that you are still progressing toward wellness will keep you going.
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dbpei...If you think about how mHBOT works, one of its main actions is to upregulate the endogenous antioxidants in the body at the cellular level and that includes within the mitochondria.
If you take too many exogenous antioxidants it is possible to interfere with that action. You will still get benefit because most of the antioxidant supplements don't reach that level, they often become oxidized in the plasma.
This is just my opinion but I think it is important not to take antioxidants when you start HBOT, thereby allowing the body to produce its own. If you feel it is absolutely necessary, it would be best to take them as far away from your dives as possible. Hope this helps.
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I was taking no supplements throughout my 2.5 years of daily mHBOT, mostly because I couldn't tolerate them at the time.
Looking back at what I know now, I believe this may have been an advantage, for both creating endogenous antioxidants and helping my gut to heal.
Possibly of greater importance is the role of free radicals in disarming pathogens.
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Thanks for this info Digby and Phoiph. The doc who introduced me to mhbot advises me to take several nutritional supplements while doing daily dives. Do you think he might have things wrong?
I have tried to research this and find it very confusing. If you know of any good reading on this topic, I will do my best to review with the hope of having a better understanding of how this all works...
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dbpei...It's only the antioxidants (probably high dose only) that are a potential problem. Other supplements should be fine unless you are dealing with GI issues like Phoiph did.
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Dont blindly assume what works for someone, must work for you as well... Some people need supplements, some people dont. Phoiph is one of the lucky ones who doesnt apparently. I take lots of supplements, including antioxidants. I would have been way worse off if i hadnt used them (and believe me i tried...)
Certain inborn errors of metabolism require supplements. Using diet only in these cases often wont work. But obviously these problems are highly individual. So you need to find what works for you, and not what anyone else tries to tell you. They dont live in your body, their circumstances will always be different.
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S13~
I'm quite sure I was severely deficient in nutrients (tolerating only the same 5-6 foods for 8 years), and I'm sure I needed supplements, but they were too complex for my gut and nervous system to handle. So...not so lucky.
I am not against supplements, I just find that many people take them without really knowing what they're deficient in or what is compatible with their system. Also, depending on how ill someone is, their ability to metabolize these isolated substances is limited.
I have been fortunate enough to come across an alternative medical doctor that looks at genetics/snps, neurotransmitters, nutritional status, gut health, methylation issues, oxidation/antioxidant status, etc., and uses specifically targeted supplementation based on the person's profile. He has been helpful to many people. I can share his info via PM if anyone is interested. He does online appointments.
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Thanks Phoiph, I'm asking for a friend so searching is not as straightforward as it would be for myself.
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It is about high pressure not mild but I prefer mild chamber pressures over the long term to the high pressure chambers, perhaps with the exception of healing skin ulcers or killing some serious infections.
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Thanks, Digby...that was an interesting synopsis of the Tel Aviv HBOT/Aging study.
I would wager that long-term mHBOT is providing similar telomere-lengthening/immune benefits.
Hopefully mHBOT will be included in the follow up studies at some point.
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I have interstitial cystitis so have been looking into possible treatments. A quote from a review of an IC book on Amazon:
"This isn't the first book to go over this stuff. And yet it doesn't mention ozone instillations. As a urologist, you have the power to bring new treatments to new patients. I highly recommend you look into this. I have been 100% IC free (no flares EVER no matter what) for 3+ years, and I credit ozone instillations I had at Choices in Health in Boulder in 2013. Please stop offering the same useless stuff to patients and telling them their best hope is "managing" their IC. That is NOT success. Recovery is.”
Does anyone know how ozone can be used for IC? It may require a catheter. Could we do this with a hyperbaric chamber instead?
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Lymenotlite...While both HBO and Ozone are oxidative therapies, they have different applications and effects. Mild HBO may help by reducing inflammation and removing infectious agents indirectly, i.e. through the immune system, but as a global intervention, it would probably take a long time to see results.
Ozone therapy for IC works directly on the inner membrane of the bladder and can sometimes result in improvement or cure after only one treatment. A urinary catheter is inserted into the bladder and ozone gas from a medical ozone generator is slowly introduced. At the right dose and concentration the ozone will kill infections and reduce inflammation on contact.
Please let us know what you choose and how it turns out.
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Turns out my problem was not IC but uterine cancer. I would not be surprised at a lyme connection, especially since I had lymebrain misinforming me throughout.
Does anyone know whether mhbot can be used for cancer? I called a rep at Oxyhealth, said I had cancer, and asked which type. When I told her, she said it could. Hard to find reliable details on this stuff but does anyone know whether a chamber might help?
Any other suggestions appreciated, including clinics, herbs, stem cell, whatever. Essiac tea?
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My brother had kidney cancer and we used mhbot as one of his treatments. He was cleared after 6 months and 12 months of the cancer. He had no chemo or radiation treatment, just natural therapies. I know many clinics use them with other cancer treatments.
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Peimomma, I’m glad your brother succeeded with his natural treatments. Is there any clinic or practitioner that you know of that might succeed with uterine cancer. Travel may be an issue, especially with current restrictions in place. Masks are a problem for me. I’ve heard there are people associated with Gerson methods can coach you remotely.
And thanks Phoiph. Your links will be read and watched soon. Mercola has always been an innovator to me.
I do have a rife machine. There is a place in the Midwest that sells you preprogrammed rife machines and ships them to you.
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I don’t know of any clinics, my brother treated at home using the same protocol I used to treat Lyme which was one hour a day. There is a Gerson clinic in Sedona AZ but I don’t know anyone that has actually treated with them. All the cancer patients I know currently that I work with have gone the conversational route with little success. My neighbor passed away last July, 2 coworkers are currently undergoing treatment with chemo, radiation and surgery. I have a friend that had stomach and spleen cancer 3 years ago and changed her diet, supplements, apricot seeds, CE’s and put the spleen cancer in remission and the stomach cancer started to recede prior to radiation. She has no additional cancer since being cleared. I’ve learned with cancer, like Lyme it’s what each person is comfortable with as far as treatments. We have cancer all over in my family and my brother chose the natural route with having surgery to remove the bad kidney. If I get the cancer diagnosis, I will definitely treat naturally with mhbot as an adjunct therapy, I will never be without my chamber.
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I used the Buhner herbal protocols for babesia, lyme, and M. pneumonia, all very helpful to successful. I made my own tinctures and after I decided that lyme and company were mostly gone, I stopped with the tinctures, breathing a sigh of relief that I didn't have to keep up with tincture work. Maybe that was premature.
I have a few cases of tinctures in the basement that didn't get used so time to experiment some more. Not exactly a radical idea that cancer might be caused by microbes or microbial imbalance.
I'm starting with echinacea and ashwaganda tinctures, made as per Buhner recommendations. If this succeeds, I think I will incorporate mhbot.
Thanks.
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I know it must be scary for you lymenotlite. My mom discovered that she had uterine CA when she was in her early 60's. I remember learning that uterine CA is a slow growing cancer with a very good prognosis if caught early.
My mother had a hysterectomy followed by radiation therapy and went on to live another 30+ years, despite having a poor diet and getting no exercise. I think the radiation did cause some incontinence and other problems for her. I believe that if she had access to hbot, she would not have suffered all the side effects of the radiation.
I would think that mhbot combined with a high protein or keto diet and herbal tinctures could make a difference. I have read about cancer patients having an easier time dealing with the chemo and other CA treatments if they used hyperbaric oxygen. Best of luck to you!
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Unfortunately I did not catch it early, thinking the bleeding was a lyme hormonal issue.
I have a question about the chamber. I'm thinking I could put it upstairs during cold weather and basement for hot summers.
Would a chamber damage hardwood floors? Is there something you could put under it to protect the wood?
Also, I have a friend with serious mobility issues that is taking an interest in using my (possible) chamber. She is not very flexible and getting into a chamber would likely require a helper. Any suggestions? I assume that's doable.
Your support is very appreciated. I visited Sedona years ago. A beautiful place.
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There are many sizes and styles to suit your needs. Perhaps you could get some guidance by joining this group on FaceBook. "mHBOT mild Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy"
This group includes a few vendors who work with members to find used or new chambers, but they are not allowed to pressure anyone or share information.
You could put a small area rug under the chamber so the frame does not damage the hardwoods. I bought a small piece of vinyl flooring at Home Depot to put under mine, but it is laying on carpet, not wood floors.
Good luck to you!
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lymenotlite~
I don't sell chambers or concentrators, but I have developed a relationship with manufacturers/vendors over the years and can pass on discounts.
I also can share a connection to a private party who ships chambers/concentrators on a rental or rent-to-own basis, and charges much lower monthly rates than the manufacturers.
There are ways to adapt the chamber set up for people with mobility issues.
You can PM me if/when you are ready for more information.
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I was hoping that I would not have any organs removed and that is the case but the uterine cancer has metastasized and it is inoperable.
I've looked into alternatives but things are moving fast. Feel free to PM me if anyone has any ideas.
You've been a great group.
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If it were me, I would want the cancer out asap and I would use the mhbot to help me heal. Sending big hugs. Posts: 2387 | From New England | Registered: Aug 2011
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So sorry to hear this, lymenotlite.
Dr. Dominic D'Agostino's work with keto/hyperbaric to starve/disable cancer cells is promising. Here is one of his talks:
Starving cancer: Dominic D'Agostino at TEDxTampaBay
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