I have not been to the AI website recently, so I don't know if it's working right or not.
But...if you just want to send a sample in and pay for the testing and/or drops, you don't need a test kit.
The instructions are in this thread. Basically you just put some saliva on a tissue or gauze pad, wrap in a little aluminum foil to keep it moist, then put in a sealed plastic bag.
Label the bag with your name, address, and date, and mail to the lab. Sorry, I can't recall if you mail your list of major symptoms with the first sample or not.
Try doing a key word search on each page of this thread and you should find the details easily.
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Please take no offense at this. I think it great to discuss the pros and cons of AI and people's experiences with it. But explaining your medical tests is probably best left to the doctor or until you get the tests in the mail.
Each lab has a slightly different range for the thyroid tests, but we do not know what previous tests you have had in the past and how these tests compare.
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LP, am following your thyroid experience with interest. Just attended a first day at Dr. K. seminar and again it was discussed that mercury docks onto the ligand sites of hormone producing glands; one of them is the thyroid. I had my thryoid injected with Neural Therapy (only a prick) many times over the months and years in order to remind the thryoid to kick out the toxic metals.
It will take time. The metal detox can take months or years. In order for people to feel somewhat better, as he did for me, I had shortterm thyroid med help. But I never needed it again. I am detoxing now mainly lead from the long bones and matrix that had been in hiding. I am also detoxing dental toxins that had been in hiding in my cheek bones and jaw for decades. It's nice to see it go. It takes time to fully get the detox underway and you may need some support from your ND, especially if KPU is involved.
Happy detox!
Take care.
Take care.
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Gigi, darn. i missed the talk today. I have the thyroid issue as well . i am finding i need thyroid and iodine. (prolamine) that makes perfect sense about metals binding to the thyroid site. and other hormones..thanks for the thought about NT on the thyroid..
lp, i hope you find the answers youre looking for, being hypo thyroid can be really tough..emotionally at least for me.
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i have a question, too. i received my second round of drops with the inserted 2 page analysis. do we receive another computer report with more specifics? *********
Did your report re-list the foods, fungus, and metals with our without the check marks?
My second report had the letter you received along with what I just mentioned.
You don't receive a lengthy report again until you are finished. He just lists, chemicals, energetic blockages, biological stubstances etc., until then.
All the things that we had that were in the red, green or yellow take time to change and do that as the blockages, chemicals etc. are recognized.
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Susie, I had a really extreme version of the symptoms you describe and was really slow to get them checked because I was used to having some degree of both palpitations [and arrhythmia]and shortness of breath with the illness.
As a result of my being slow to act, things became quite desperate and in the end we discovered that it WAS thyroid-related. I had been on 150 mcg thyroxine for hypothyroidism for years, but had suddenly become violently hyperthyroid and this knocked out my adrenals as well.
I was severely ill for several months and needed hydrocortisone, but am now off that and much better so far as those symptoms are concerned.
I stopped altogether for 10 days and now only take the equivalent [as T3] of 40 mcg thyroxine and am seeing the endocrinologist next week to see about experimenting with stopping even that [her idea].
Of course, your symptoms may not be caused by the same thing, but I would recommend that you ask for blood tests, particularly for thyroid, asap.
thanks for your reply. wow, you went through such a hard time, what do you think flipped your thyroid suddenly? were you getting better from lyme at the time?
the palps just kept getting worse and worse and lasting all day, i was so weak i wound up spending yesterday afternoon in the er. came in looking so ghastly they rushed on me like i was having a heart attack. i wasn't, and all my signs were fine. i told them about lyme but that just doesn't ring a bell in the er. many hours later, blood draws etc, i still looked as ghastly and felt awful but i was perfectly ok on paper. on the discharge paper the doctor suggested we get a carbon monoxide detector.....
we didn't stay to get the thyroid results but i will call my pcp on monday and find out how they are. perhpas this is the key,
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Poor you, Susie. I went to ER with these symptoms once too because they were so extreme, so I know how horrible and frightening it can be.
Of course, I wanted to know why my thyroid should suddenly start working better after all these years on the same dose [monitored by blood tests 6 monthly], but nobody has been able to tell me...
...I wondered if a year of antibiotics had maybe wiped out a colony of spirochetes on the thyroid receptors.
I hope you are feeling better today and that you can learn something useful from your thyroid results: hope you'll let us know!
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You may have done this already, but be sure to have them test for thyroid antibodies, which will let you know whether or not your thyroid issue is auto-immune (Hashimoto's if it's low). I developed Hashimoto's right after I had my amalgams out (with no precautions unfortunately) and was diagnosed after the birth of my son during a routine physical. Thought I was just tired from a baby!
Anyway, Dr. K and others have told me that I should start needing less and less medication as the metals start to leave. However, it's important to know if you have the auto-immune form of thyroid disease because with this type you can switch suddenly from hyper to hypo. Also, the antibodies are a good way to check how your body is doing overall. The less the better. Another thing you may want to do if you haven't already is to check your reverse T3. This, I was told by an ND, can signify if heavy metals play a role in why your thyroid has issues. Anyway, that is just what I have learned. Hope everything is ok with you.
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Thanks gettinghealthy for this info on thyroid. mine switches from hyper to hypo but i thought it may be due to the changes in armour. it makes total sense about it being metal related.
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Thanks Hiker...I was just hoping someone had the labcop reference range handy as I did not want to wait over the weekend with heightened anxiety!
anyway, for anyone who could give me some insight, or some questions to ask, or other tests to request...I finally received my results in the mail.
Is there any correlation to these out of range results:
My antithyroglobuoin Ab is: high 923 (High) ref. range: 0-40 IU/ml
Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab: normal 27 ref.range: 0-34 IU/ml
TSH normal 1.990 ref. range: 0.450 - 4.500 uIU/ml
Also out of range ...low...is my MCHC 31.6 low ref. range 32.0 - 66.0 g/dl indicting possible iron deficiency anemia...
Cholesterol total high 215 ref. range: 100-199 mg/dl
LDL Cholesterol high 120 ref range: 0 - 99 mg/dl
LDL: 120 high ref range: 0-99 mg/dl
My md is not available to explain this to me this week.
I have always had a very low and good cholesterol numbers...even during lyme treatment...this out or range is new for me now.
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Thanks everyone!
There was no rT3 testing...
I will have to ask for that!
My history has been that I had a diagnosis of thyroiditis,(10 yrs ago) based on numbers and symptoms (large goiter) of first hyperthyroid, than switched to hypothyroid in a three month time period, only to resolve to normal numbers.
A few years after the goiter and before lyme diagnosis, regular blood work showed high ANA with no thyroid problems.
(I had no big symptoms of anything...except sun sensitivity and extreme fatigue...along with my continued list of mild odd things, that all seemed to match hypothyroid symptoms to me
This high ANA was just found in regular yearly blood work screening..not from any complaints.
My GP phoned me and said to sit down....and announced he believed I could have Lupus. In any case he said, in reviewing my history over the course of 15 years...in mostly being his extremely physically fit and healthy patient, he believes I have an autoimmune condition, where my different organs are being attacked by my immune system. He sent me to the best specialists. The GP is also my personal good family friend.
I have watched my numbers regularly until I had my lyme diagnosis 3 years ago. Hoping the lyme resolution would clear all this.
I have always retained mild hypothroid symptoms...all of them on the standard lists. I just thought it was normal for me...lived with them...and thought it was age related. As we know...Many lupus, lyme and hypothyroid symptoms overlap.
But all the "elite" endocrinologists in my area, say I had nothing, ....as they only base it on the blood tests...and said it could develope in time to hypothyroidism...hashimotos...and to keep regular checks on it.
I just find it interesting that all the symptoms have excilated now...while on AI.
Could I be experiencing a clearing...by going through this all again...or do I need to get on meds for the autoimmune issue?
I anticipate my friendly GP calling me today, telling me to get my butt over to an endocrinologist...and me being me...I want to research and have my own plan before I am persuaded to take something that I may regret.(or not)
Gigi, the metals info is very interesting...as I am loaded with mercury from over 60 amalgams in my youth....(all gone now) I am most likely not doing enough to detox metals...just letting it happen with the AI, and some binders here and there. My ND is not super adept with detox I find...she just works on things little by little when I visit with specific issues, and woks only on what I ask.
I don't mean to ramble...but I am now praying for a direction to take.
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"Gigi, the metals info is very interesting...as I am loaded with mercury from over 60 amalgams in my youth....(all gone now) I am most likely not doing enough to detox metals...just letting it happen with the AI, and some binders here and there. My ND is not super adept with detox I find...she just works on things little by little when I visit with specific issues, and woks only on what I ask."
LP, that is the direction you need to go. Every molecule of the hg's that had escaped your teeth are solidly bound somewhere else in your body.
Your cholesterol will rise anytime your body goes into defensive modes, whether from metals or infections. Don't try to force it lower - it helps your body to survive.
Consider looking at Biologo - it is the only system that I know that if you can test will lead you on the best possible path without a doctor next door. You do need to find someone that has more to offer than your ND. With 60 fillings in your past, that is your holdup messing with your body. Now that metals are ready to flow freely, pay attention to it -- that is major!
If I may whisper to you - don't ever call this thing you call Lupus tied to a possessive pronoun. It ain't yours and you never want to call it yours.
Study the different Biologo remedies. The ingredients are fully explained in the English catalogue that you can download.
You appeared to be flying high some days back, but one must realize that once the metals are in motion, you need to step in for full support. They had been accumulating for probably most of your adult life, and now, on the loose, need you to help, daily, not with binders, but supporting every organ, the lymphatics mainly. Do not do anything to stimulate more mobilizing such as massage, acupuncture, etc.
For everyone else who is wondering, once you reach the point with AI that the toxins are really starting to flow, you need support - possibly by a professional who understands.
Take care.
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Thanks Gigi,
Yes, I was feeling great...and I still do to some degree...but the thyroid situation is very wacky! Enough to scare me.
I know I need support from one who understands and I think this is the biggest obstacle..finding that professional.
Are the biologo remedies easily available to purchase from the USA? I have seen the catalog but thought I heard others say they were hard to get shipped? Is this true? I will get them if I can.
And yes...I hear you about "posessing" lupus...I should know better! Thought I learned that with lyme....Thanks for reminding me...it is not mine!!!!
Great thoughts!
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LP - I am not an endocrinologist, obviously, but the antibody numbers you have are very high. Mine when I was diagnosed with Hashi's were in the 400's and then when I all of a sudden had food allergies, mild fever and my body went crazy (still not sure why - on my list of things to ask Dr. K next time) my antibodies were over 1,000 and it scared me to death. The endo said "no biggie, we don't care about antibody numbers" (very well respected Endo mind you!) and my ND said, "of course we care" and knew for some reason my body was in 'attack mode' - possibly now from all of the allergies flaring up suddenly - my whole body was one big inflammation. Perhaps if this is suddenly for you as well it does have something to do with allergies and AI?
Anyway, I also was told that the TSH doesn't really matter it was the T3 numbers and the T4 numbers that they really look at. Were you tested for those.
One thing I have learned for sure is that for something so small our thyroid is SO important! As I have started clearing metals our fireplace has started to be turned off more and our heat bill is REALLY low :-) My husband loves it.
You can email me a personal email if you have other questions - not sure if I can answer them but I will try as I have lived with this for 5+ years and have researched it a ton since I thought this was ALL of my problems before I knew about metals, Bartonella, etc.
Gigi is definitely right too when saying the metals go somewhere. I was told while at the CMC recently that metals LOVE to go to the thyroid....
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I just received our 2nd round of drops in the mail today, but I am confused and have a few questions. Already both my kids and my gluten and all food allergies are unmarked and yet their nose still runs if they have something with gluten in it?
Also, what does it mean when it says "Number of chemicals that we can not name. Nevertheless, this "electromagnetic pattern" is corrected!" I had 15 listed and my kids had 7 or 8.
Also, I had 4 different metals listed last time and now I have none....
Does this really happen this quickly? I still feel not so great when I have something with gluten in it - I accidentally had some OJ on the airplane and it made me feel awful my entire trip :-(
Just curious if these check marks will re-appear again later or are they honestly cleared?
Any help answering these questions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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GH...glad you got your analysis and 2nd round.
It is not a cut and dry thing after it says it is cleared...that means it is recognized now...
It still regulates over time...meaning the healing takes time. Different for each.
My daughter and myself did not notice the gluten issue gone right away...(but it said our pathways were cleared) We were not looking for it...but did notice we had no gluten problems within about 3 months after we began if I recall correctly.
The biggest problem for us was corn...we found out...not the gluten as much as we thought. Corn is in everything! even our beef and chicken! So just give it time.
YOur childrens runny noses may be from other chemicals...not necessarily all from food allergies. It is hard to know what reaction is from what.
You will probably find that all you thought you understood about your health issues, was not all accurate! Its deeper than we know, and I can tell you that for sure! I am learning so much about the layers to clear and how intertwined it all is!
My suggestion is to just go with the flow...and and stay away from anything you feel has always given you a big problem until you begin to notice the difference. Just so you can feel good.
Clearing does not mean you can tolerate all gluten yet...it means the signal or the information from gluten is now recognized..the pathways are clear for the healing to begin...
The orange juice may have something else in it that is not recognized yet by your bodies pathways to communicate correctly.
I hope that makes sense.
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What does it mean then when it says "Energetic Blockades" = 14.
Does this mean that I still have 14 energetic blockages?
I'm just curious because this time around the sheet only has one X next to an Industrial Toxin and nothing else is marked. Then I only have the number 14 next to the energetic blockages and the number 15 next to "chemicals that we cannot name"....
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ok, i'm getting concerned that my 2nd saliva may never have been received, or that the 10$ bill i put in there didn't get received. i see gettinhealthy you've got yours already; it has been over a month since i sent mine in and i've emailed twice and not gotten any answer....what to do?????
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I'm sure this is not why you haven't received yours, but I know I sent them payment for shipping via PayPal and then sent HG an email letting him know that I paid PayPal for shipping. Perhaps email him again?
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Gettinhealthy - he picked up an industrial toxin that wasn't showing up with the first saliva sample. That is when they are usually listed by name.
The reports you will get from now on will usually list chemicals your body needs to recognize and energetic blockages.
From time to time a biological substance could show up (something from nature).
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That makes sense - I think I'm starting to understand. So, when my daughter is listed as having "12" energetic blockades (she's only 3 years old - yikes!) is it just a smattering of things? I guess I shouldn't really worry too much about the details, but I just find it interesting. As long as we are progressing who cares really :-)
Thanks again
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Just got round #3 and am starting today. So far it seems to be taking between 24-27 days to receive them. 11 chemical and 7 energetic blockages.
I'm feeling pretty miserable with constant body aches/joint pain and mental confusion again. I wake up every morning in pain, but try to keep moving and it lessens some. My dreams are wild and full of lessons, but sometimes get obsessive and scary.
The past three days my MCS has been strong and I taste/smell alcohol. My stomach is off too. Add to this the possibility of a little flu that my son brought home and I am not feeling great.
I'm glad Round #3 is here. I'm drinking Tin-Cup's detox tea, skin-brushing and mini-rebounder bouncing. Hope to add fish oils and Black Currant oil (can't handle Evening Primrose Oil) along with magnesium and acidophilus. Not yet, though, my stomach is pretty off.
While I try not to think of it, I do fear the Bartonella that I couldn't treat because of abx resistance. The sketchy testing would bounce between positive to negative on that. I am trying to mentally adjust to calling the same symptomatology "detox," which has a more positively projected end point. On more painful days, my optimism flags and I get old Bart worries.
In the meantime, I've just taken my first drops for Round #3 and I'm poised for "cleaning up the terrain!"
Gigi, would psyllium, Bentonite Clay or Chlorella be in order at this detoxy-toxy point? Water retention and weight gain is happening, and I'm thinking of trying the old Fat Flush detox help of Cranberry Water with ground flax-seeds.
Best to all,
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Wise, anything that will help wrap up toxins. Just be careful with psyllium - you want to avoid being constipated.
Go through this presentation and see what turns you on. I believe that since the toxicity level is so much higher among people who have done Lyme protocols with abx, etc., we need to pay more attention to capturing the outflow.
I am resorting more and more to Biologo, Biopure, especially since my husband is now on KPU (since bottle #10.
I cannot see any way around using some sort of muscle testing, tensoring, pendulum (when regulation is determined as open) to determine what is priority to the body.
(Neither of us test for all the different oils all the time - you need to learn to test yourself - usually it is a fish oil and a plant oil, but it varies from day to day.)
Would you explain the Cranberry/Ground Flax, Please. Sounds good.
The toxins are now flowing and it is very important to zero in on that and support the exit.
All neurotoxins feel the same and some definitely remain behind even after Lyme infections are long gone. All the remains - bacterial viral environmental - are on the move and need help to get out. AI put the body on notice, i.e. wake up and get out, and we have to support that.
When I dislocated my ellbow, I suddenly was facing the neurotoxins and metals moving out of that joint which most likely had been in there hiding for many years. This is testable with ART - I found it with tensor testing and then it was confirmed by expert ART testing. Now - almost five months after my injury - it has lessened considerably, but I can still resonance test for the lead flowing from that area (severed ligaments, etc.) Correspondingly, I often test for Kelatox suppository, which is very beneficial for removing lead out of long bones, etc.
When I get tested now by ART or tensor myself, I literally test for toxic metals every day. Of course, I have lived a few extra years and have hidden away a lot more than some of the younger. Now, ten years after my cavitation surgeries and removal of root canals, I am still disposing of the thioethers. Biologo dental works on that and I test for it almost every day; my gum tissue tells me = I can feel it.
It is important to learn to tensor or learn some sort of testing, so that you can help yourself every day finding the right direction and taking the remedies needed.
Some day - I don't know when - all will be gone. And as Dr. K. has told me for years -- the only way out is the way through.
Take care.
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P.S. Since I want to concentrate more on my personal life and not spending as many hours as I have over the years on Lymenet (since 2000), I am not coming back here as often as I used to. Many of you have my e-mail and phone number. So please feel free to write.
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the drops arrived! about 33 days, i'm releived as i've been pretty much bedbound most of the past two weeks with only a bit of a break here and there, i know what you mean about the bart-thinking wiserforit.
perhpas ishould get a biotensor. i do scan my supps and stuff but i've been too sick to do it. would a tensor be able to give information about what is causing us to feel so sick? like is it bugs, is it metals? that would be invaluable!
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My 9th round arrived today as well!
I find the biotenser helpful. It takes some time to practice and understand how to make sure your regulation is "open", so you will get the correct response to your statements. Anyone can easily get wrong responses if this is not learned first.
Once open, you must protect your openness...and stay focused on God...(this is my own added part for spiritual protection of my open regulation)
also, "how" to phrase the statements is important...as only yes, no or positive, negative answers are observed as it is allowing your own body's frequencies or polarities to come forth.
This may sound bizzare to most of you, but I know someone who was tempted to use the biotensor for other things...and got completely obsessed with it and drawn first into "diagnosing" illness and other peoples ills with it. It ultimately lead to a very scary, serious and dangerous situation for her and pulled her toward the dark side.
That is not the function and it is meant to be only used as an extension of your own body...like your own arm when you hold it...so you can basically muscle test...like kinesiology.
I feel I need to say this when telling others that the biotenser is helpful. The truth is...There are other forces...or spirits outside our body ...for those spiritual who understand or have witnessed what I am referring to...that are not what you want to be involved with. You could get false reading and be misled if you are not grounded in the holy spirit and get pulled into other things thinking you get "answers" and are now clarivoyant. Those are false lies.
This can happen with other things besides the biotenser...things that give people a false sense of controlling or knowing destiny.
In my opinion, The biotenser is not intended for anything other than testing products, protocols or identifying issues for the here and now...not the future!
Again, I do find the biotenser very helpful navigating the detox with AI. As long as you respect its correct use..it is a valuable tool.
I would rather anyone not get the biotenser...if they will not understand what I have said. I care for you all too much to not say this.
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My thyroid symptoms have resolved yesterday I believe. From extreme hypothyroid symptoms...all of them on the list....to feeling fantastic, like overnight.
My blood work for ANA may still be high...but I don't feel like my immune system is attacking anything today.
This is wacky...or is this AI regulating things. Old things from the past?
I do not know. I am just observing and reporting as these odd things come and go.
Two days ago, my eyes were so painful, and looked like I was starting to develope that thyroid "popping" ET looking eye disease...that frightened me.
I tested the protocol given me by my ND...which was iodine withthe "core" minerals. and it said NO. (I test each day when in crisis mode)
After I stopped it, I tested to take some Pekana lymph drainage and red root tincture I had in the house. Nothing else tested positive for me.
Within an hour, my eyes started to clear...and after the day, all symptoms abated.
Previously, I did test very positive to take the iodine. (I know that treatment is controversial)
So maybe I needed the iodine briefly but now I don't...
Or maybe I should have just waited it out...and took nothing...and see if it just resolved over time.
It is very tricky for all of us when we face these little "crisis"...whether to treat or not to treat at that moment. WE are conditioned to treat!
Thats when I run to my ND...but she does not understand AI either...so I have to trust my own intuition as well, and go with what makes me confortable.
I will keep you all posted...Thanks for all the support!
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Gigi, I wanted to post the "Fat Flush Plan" Cranberry Water and "Long Life Cocktail" recipes that reputedly eliminates water retention and cleanses accumulated wastes from the lymphatic system. I know it always helps me to feel better.
To prepare CRANBERRY WATER, purchase Knudsen's, Trader Joe's or Mountain Sun's Unsweetened Cranberry Juice. Then get two empty 32 ounce bottles. Fill each 32 Ounce water bottle with 4 ounces of unsweetened cranberry juice and 28 ounces of water. You can drink up to 8 glasses a day.
LONG LIFE COCKTAIL: Taken 2 times daily on arising and before bed to increase elimination, bind toxins and balance hormones. In 8 ounces of the cranberry water, add either 1 full teaspoon of powdered psyllium husks or 1 tablespoon of ground flaxseeds. [This goes down best with a straw -- I much prefer ground flaxseeds to psyllium!]
Louise Gittleman is the person who wrote the Fat Flush Plan -- I have no connection to her or the book. In fact, I'm not endorsing anything related to its' philosophy or premise. I just like the Long Life Cocktail and Cranberry Water!
I also make breakfast smoothies with frozen berries, protein powder and Cranberry Water.
Bon Appetite!
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Quick Question. I just started the second round of AI and during the interim 2 weeks I had started the protocol that Dr. K put me on. I received my second results from AI and it looks like my body must recognize all of the metals now because none were checked (correct me if I'm not interpreting this correctly). However, for the last 3 days I have had really twingy pangs in the joints and know from doing the heavy metal test challenge this summer that I believe it is metals floating... I went into CMC and Dr. G tested me with ART and sure enough it was metals floating and she added Chlorella Growth Factor to my plan as well as told me to up the Microsilica. However, in addition she would like me to do an IV with DMPS, Vit C and Glutathone (SP?) followed by a colonic. I have weak kidneys (blood shows my kidneys are fine but every time I take a mineral or do any kind of chelating they ache so I feel they must be weak?) and am worried about DMPS.
She thinks it will be fine and though I do trust her a ton I wanted your opinion on doing this in general (scared to death by websites with horror stories such as the dmpsbackfire website!) and from my feelings after doing the challenge this summer (although she did say I probably felt awful from the EDTA rather than the DMPS). Also, am fearful that it will screw up what AI is trying to do. However, I also don't want the floating metals to go to my brain or be absorbed in other organs! I am somewhat new to all of this and learning as I go but don't want to experiment. I searched this site for "DMPS" but there wasn't much about it. I am tempted to call Monday and ask if there are other less invasive ways to get the metals out (infra-red?) and see what she says.
Thoughts would be appreciated!
Thank you
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GiGi
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DMPS is a legal pharma drug in Europe. It has been used at least for 50 years. I had it many times and was using it recently. But decided that since AI opened all the faucets, it really is not needed. Only people who are not totally familiar with AI may still think it is needed. I don't think so. The metals are flowing without much other help. The most gentle and innocent one is Biologo, except that it is expensive. But I intend to use that from now on several times a year in order to avoid all future accumulations through daily exposures. And only toxic people get sick! The total line of Biologo is not yet known here.
Do not do Infrared at this time! And do not over-exercise. That is a sure-fire way to move it in the wrong direction. All areas lower and gut have to be free first to avoid the effects of "law of osmosis". I have explained that several times on LN. In short: if no metals left in brain, but still in the rest of body and gut, the body will seek to take it to the brain -- law of osmosis.
Metal detox or any detox is one place where rushing it does not work! You have only one of each organ!
I mailed you, GettingH.
This is all based on our own experience. Before AI, I would have responded differently.
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Hi all, we returned several days ago from a new doctor's visit where we were ART tested. We are both on our 12th bottle of AI and both of us tested very well for it.
My husband, however, was not improving as far as his pain and mobility were concerned. The doctor found his liver and kidneys seriously blocked and thought that this could be the reason for him not moving forward.
He is on a new protocol for one month taking only supports for the liver and kidneys (as well as the AI), without any killers or binders.
Hoping for the best!
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Started round 9 today. I have been feeling so good for the past week, that I was afraid to start again. Thinking ok...what's next to clear.
I now have a strong suspicion that the thyroid attack I experienced for about two weeks, was the result of some AI clearing.
When I went over my notes of the mild thyroid symptoms I had sent to AI in the past with my sample...I feel they were being addressed with this last round. Its just odd it would only last for two weeks max...so again, I will wait and observe the changes and post so others can compare notes!
Also...a happy note...daughter is doing fantastic still. Saw her perform in her championship competition, and she got her best times ever! She said she felt great, and focused, and happy...no depression or anxiety...(just positive thoughts and excitement) even before the races. Her body looked healthy and strong. So different than before.
I post this so you all know there is hope... for even us "older" AI people!
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Dear Friends,
I'm just about done with Round 10 of A.I. drops.
This round, I've been running for the detox stuff at every opportunity!!! Charcoal, ground flax seed, prunes, intestinal cleanse, fiber, chlorella, chlorestramine, more fiber....on and on.
I've had to take fewer naps, and my thinking has been more clear, with actually being able to hold an idea for a few seconds or minutes!
I'm looking into the Biologo detox formulas GiGi has recommended.
Symptoms keep turning up, but some are gone.
Best,
Cass A
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I plan on going back and reading this entire thread, but could I get a summary here?
In short, from what I've read I'm understanding that A.I. is a way to understand all problems and blockages in the body, including those that cause problems with Lyme? And by detecting problems with A.I., we can resolve blockages and problems for all illnesses?
Is this is a way to treat Lyme disease without a serious abx protocol?
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Lightparfait and Cass A, great to hear that you are both doing well [relative to start point!] and continuing to see changes. How lovely to see your daughter blossom so, Lp.
Hi, Wolfed Out, welcome; I don't want to ignore you, but I'll leave someone else to answer your question...
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Here's my shot at it Wolfed Out -
Illness = toxicity
Toxicity = chaos in the body
Chaos = body not recognizing friend from foe
Allergie-Immun = recognizing friend from foe, peeling away the choas layer by layer, freeing blockages to allow the toxins to leave
It does not seek out specific illnesses but by getting the train cars running on the right tracks, issues start falling by the wayside - whether it be lyme, allergies, heavy metals etc. etc.
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Wow, NanaDubo! Did you ever write book jackets for a publishing firm? What a succinct, well-put summary! ; )
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lightparfait
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Nana...excellent overview!
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Well, I guess I have nothing to lose by trying this, right?
This can be done while doing a Lyme treatment protocol? I.E. ABX treatment and herbs?
I HATE MY ALLERGIES!
Thanks, NanaDubo
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Wolfed...best to be off abx and any pharmaceuticals, although you can do the AI therapy with anything...but it will only clear things that you do not keep adding to your body.
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LP, I really like trying these more holistic or natural approaches before going the drug route, but things are mildly serious...I'm growing impatient with my symptoms after these years.
If you were in my shoes, knowing what you know about A.I. and antibiotics now, would you still hold off on going the antibiotic route and do this first?
I haven't started any serious antibiotic regimen yet, other than taking amoxicillin 875 for sinus problems; related to Babesia.
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Wolfedout and all,
The purpose of AI is digging up the toxic materials that got us and our body off track ending up in the painful wilderness! Somewhere on this train ride I was happy to meet Nana!!! Her wagon was lost as bad as mine was years ago!
So if we keep stuffing more of the same into the body, it is a waste of energy and time and also it makes the testing by AI impossible; i.e. the body will not reveal the errors any longer possibly for a few months after you stop adding what your body finds not accepable.
Most of us have turned allergic to (where the body became unable to regulate any longer) to hundreds of substances ending in total electromagnetic chaos. The body reacts first to electromagnetic signals and the biochemical reaction follows these signals, secondarily. Wrong signal = train wreck.
Please read this thread and/or use google to translate some of the text on the AI website. The PSP/AI Therapy is a lot easier to understand then.
Lyme Disease exists against the backdrop of toxicity. Probably the worst: mercury.
Take care.
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GiGi is it safe to take Zeolite during all of this?
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Wolfed out, I was worried about stopping antibiotics, though I had not really seen any improvement in the year I was on them, except for some arthritic ease on Amoxicillin.
I started off AI taking Amoxy in the gap between the drops between round 1 and 2, and rounds 2 and 3, but after that read Herr G's fuller instructions that you can find earlier on this thread:
I realised then that I wasn't giving it a fair chance by taking the abx at the same time [even in the gaps] and so stopped them. I have now just finished round 7 of AI.
So far I don't regret that decision to stop the abx and certainly haven't got worse since I stopped them [except maybe with arthritic aches].
Whether it is right for YOU to start abx alongside or before AI is not something I can say: it depends on so many factors, such as how long you have been ill and how well you detox.
It seems to me though that abx may suppress your own Immune system, whilst AI is trying to allow it to work properly, so taking them together may 'muddy the waters'.
Only you can really decide what you can feel wholehearted about.
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