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I took a break from AI but I would like to return. Is it ok to continue sublingual immunotherapy while receiving AI treatment?
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hi,i have been chelating and i am itching like crazy. it tests as nickel or lead. has anyone heard of nickel or lead making you itch? it wakes me up in the nite. ihave been to 4 dermatologist. and iam living on antihistamines..any thoughts?
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hi runner - the only thing that pops into my head is sometimes intense itching can be an overworked liver. Not sure it that's the case for you but maybe you can get that checked out.
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Hi, I have suddenly phased from less physical pain to profound confusion/depression. I'm thinking it's mercury or something, but wonder how to spell relief.
I'm doing lots of binders as usual... have tried to take thirty minute walks and do the rebounder a little. Any other suggestions?
Waiting for glycine to be delivered to the Health Food Store...
It is the best of times; it is the worst of times...
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I'm just a couple days away from the end of the 2 weeks of taking my first set of AI drops.
For those that energy test (or biotensor or however), have you noticed that you stop testing good for the drops at the end of 2 weeks? Do you stop based on the 2 week time period, or based on what the testing says?
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I usually just stopped at the end of the two week period. There were a few times when I stopped before then because I couldn't handle the drops while working and then finished the 2 weeks at a later time. Don't know if I should have done that, but needed to go to work.
The biotensor would always say "no" to my drops after I finished 14 days, but that could be my emotional influenece on the tensor, too.
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Mercury can definitely come out in the skin. It happened to me. It was on my neck and arms. In Chinese medicine it is said that if the colon is not working, the lungs try to do its job and they do a crappy job. The lungs are related to the skin. Coffee enemas helped a lot. Why not a colonic?
As for depression, when I feel mercury or lead (or perhaps aresenic or aluminum) detoxing in the brain, I often get depressed and so do a number of people I know. I use MAP (amino acid combo) to help with that and it works great.
To help with binding and amino acid support, I make a soup with beef broth. I throw in onions (sulfur), carrots, a variety of dried beans (soaked overnight), spinach, celery, mushrooms and okra (which is mucilagenous). The okra thickens it a bit and seems to act a lot like pectin.
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Thanks for the soup/MAP recommendation. I'll start cooking today!
The darnedest thing just happened about two hours ago: I feel the metals moving slowly from muddled head into my neck. While I still feel teary, the depression fog is lifting and my neck is out completely in spasms. Can't even turn from side to side.
At least things are on the move!
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sometimes a good chiro or osteopathic adjustment can really get things moving from the head and free up the "bottleneck"
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does anyone else feel the positive effects of the drops waning during the 2-week-off period when you are waiting for the next round?
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thejoje - I don't think so. I read on AI's forum that they do not divulge how they do what they do.
The translation is rough but it sounds as though they do not want it to fall into the wrong hands.
I think more things like this will be coming down the road.
There was a documentary (bbc I think) called "The Ghosts in Our Genes". They have figured out that DNA errors are passed generation to generation but haven't gotten as far as being able to correct them (the scientists involved with the film).
You can google the documentary - worth seeing.
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Thanks, Lex. I actually just came back from the chiro. He said, "Boy, you are really locked up, but even so, your joints have never been so easy to adjust!" He also commented that my eyes and face look much clearer.
Some things are changing....
And, thejoje, I do always feel at the end of the 2-week-off period that I really need the next round! i've had some rough ending weeks that are always changed by starting the next drops. Sometimes the changes are great; sometimes not so much.
Best,
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I was hoping my round three would arrive today. I asked HG twice when they would be sent but no response. Then I remind myself that everything happens when it's supposed to. Trying to push a river is such a waste of time.
I feel like I really need them badly -- yesterday I had some family systems work done and that sure stirred up the toxins. The practitioner also tested me against the hormone kit and what came up was right on target.
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My husband just got his first round of drops 2 days ago and discovered that taking 4 chlorella bothers his stomach. 3 chlorella is OK.
How many chlorella do you all take before meals? (I can take fists full with no problem.)
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thejoje:
It depends on the size of the chlorella you are taking. There is no hard rule...but in general, the more you take ,the better.
When I was taking sun chlorella, with the very small pelet sized pills, I took minimum 30 to 60 and sometimes 100 depending on my testing and if I was majorly detoxing metals. On the package it says take 15 for nutritional purposes,(which is the lesser daily amount that many take) and add more for improved health in 15 pill groupings. Sun Chlorella also can be purchased in larger pill size, equivilant to 5 little pellet sizes...so each chlorella Manuf. has a varied size.
I am now using the biopure powdered chlorella, and am testing now for 1/4 tsp in water...three times a day. This is a more powerful product...this may be a better way for your husband to take it...but it also could be more potent...and not handled well...must test.
so again , you must test...
Many have reported here that taking a small amount is not effective or makes them feel sick in the stomach...and the larger amounts work better.
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Lp, Larger amounts?? This oughta be interesting. We will test to see what pans out.
He is currently on vacation, which means that he is tending to outdoor projects around the house and working up a tremendous sweat. I think the sweating will carry him through the detox for now, but if he doesn't test well for chlorella we will have to switch to another binder.
Thanks
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Warning: stupid question about to be asked.
WHen you all test for amounts of chlorella, do you physically hold the chlorella or the tensor over the chlorella, or do you say the amount and then test?
Thanks
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ENERGETICALLY ENHANCED is printed right on my new bottle of Quintessence.
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thejoje, I hold the chlorella or item to be tested in front of me but fairly close. I hold the biotensor over it and start saying - I should take 5,10, 15 etc. until it stops giving me a yes.
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Hair falling out! I have noticed an increase in my hair clogging the shower drain since I have been releasing metals. Has anyone else noticed this?
I do not have a thyroid condition and I am taking the Biopure core minerals and electrolytes.
Also, in talking with Hiker53 we both noticed our hair is sticky when we detox. Anyone else see this?
Will this release of metals never end? LOL
Thanks. Lee
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I have ghad periodic extra hair loss throughout the illness, so it's hard to relate to anything I'm doing at present.
I do notice that my hair is heavy and wayward during rough times. At present it is lifeless and feels as if it's got insects in it. I get this all over at times and sometimes I've been getting quite pronounced 'bite' or 'sting' sensations on my skin, just like an insect bite [minus the insect!].
Still getting the sore underlip [internally from lip to chin] quite regularly and a bad taste at the back of the tongue that is different from a metallic taste....both these do seem to be related to AI, so I'm hoping something nasty is leaving the body!
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hair loss me too....I think it's the heat.
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ukcarry and all - Gigi is away on a long overdue holiday.
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Yes aBout the hair loss...it happened at different intervals during the drops. Started with metals moving. Now I have it again...though it feel hormonal now.
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In oriental medicine, the kidneys "flower" on the hair. So loss of hair may mean the kidneys are overworked and the chi is weak. So kidney support might be considered. Also, a lot of sick people still dye their hair -- that stuff is toxic.
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Dear Friends,
I decided I needed to have some serious metal removal, so I'm seeing a naturopathic Dr. for EDTA IV chelation.
He had me do a 24 hour urine test, using the EDTA chelation as a "challenge." I just got the results.
The worst (very elevated) were cadmium, gadolinium, and lead. Elevated were aluminum, nickel, tungston, and uranium.
I'll be seeing the Dr. about the results this coming week.
Best,
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Good luck, Cass A. I know EDTA is said to have the best affinity with lead .Hope it helps,
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Well, I bit the bullet and took 28 chlorella caps yesterday with no big side effects. Testing also asked for galactose and it's interesting because yesterday was the day I didn't take any!
Success Cass -- they have to come out sooner rather than later.
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A note about EDTA ivs.....I once had EDTA and noticed the 300 pound guy sitting across from me was getting the same amount as I (and I'm 123 pounds). When I got out of there I couldn't feel my feet, so my suggestion is to make sure that the amount they give you jibes with your weight and size.
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Dear Lex,
Thanks for the cautionary note!
I'll have quite a lot of things to discuss with my Dr. when I go for the IV chelation on Monday!!
Best,
Cass A
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Looking for some advice for my 3rd and final daughter who is about to send off saliva samples next week. She gradually weaned herself off of all thyroid and adrenal meds (liothyronine and cortef). Now she is extremely tired and works full time.
We recently had her tested for heavy metals and sure enough, she was loaded with lead, mercury, etc. so I know the drops will help to detoxify her.
But I am wondering now if it is dangerous to be off of these meds and having such a tremendously low energy level.
I think that in the long run, she will be much better off having no meds while on the drops, but I am starting to question this decision.
Does anyone out there have experience giving up these meds while doing the drops? I would greatly appreciate any advice.
Thanks!
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thejoje,
Can't really answer your question, no experience with that. But, wuld encourage her to try Iodoral brand iodine (much better than some other lower dose brands). This can do wonders for the tyroid. Some other things that also really help the thyroid, if you're deficient, are n-acetyl tyrosine, and copper. These 3 things are the big components a thyroid needs to make the hormones. I was almost put on thyroid hormones, but avoided the need by adding these. I don't need the tyrosine and copper anymore, but still take the iodine.
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As it happens, I have weaned off both these whilst taking AI, the Cortef I stopped altogether in Jan/Feb, the T3 I stopped in March. I didn't stop them because I was on AI, but because the endocrinologist I was seeing wanted me to experiment without them.
Perhaps because last year I suddenly became hyperthyroid [and the T3 was the last thyroid med I retained], I haven't really noticed any changes that I can directly relate to being without these drugs.
My Thyroid Stimulating Hormone and free T3 is within normal boundaries....has your daughter had these checked?
If she has stopped them purely because of AI, it might be a good idea to check this with HG if you haven't already done so,
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I would be cautious about getting off meds. Once on the drops, when improvement is seen, then one can wean off. But to just stop cold turkey? I wouldn't do it.
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HG told me to continue necessary medications. I think he just doesn't want people to use too many supplements or too much homeopathic things, but I would not jump off meds prescribed by a MD all at once.
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Thanks Michael and Carry for your suggestions.
Is there a difference between n-acetyl tyrosine and plain tyrosine?
I have not informed HG about this issue. Would I do this in English or German?
On a humorous note, today my 3 daughters threw a surprise 25th anniversary party for my husband and I. Two of the girls are on the drops and said they had to take naps during the preparations. The 3rd daughter (who weaned off the thyroid meds) actually had the most energy! Many family and friends were invited and they managed to pull it off, despite all their detox reactions and health issues. It was truly an amazing feat!
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Happy Anniversary thejoje!! What a nice surprise your daughters cooked up.
I'm pretty sure from past posts, HG has suggested not getting off things like heart or thyroid meds before starting the drops.
Ask her doctor - I wouldn't mess around with individual supplements for her thyroid - too much iron can be as bad or worse than not enough.
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N-acetyl tyrosine is more expensive and, because it's already combined, is more readily absorbed by the body. I had tried regular tyrosine and it did not help me at all, but when I tried the n-acetyl tyrosine, it really helped a lot. So, for me, the n-acetyl made all the difference.
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Thanks ND, I will def be contacting HG for advice.
The warm breezes are blowing up quite a bit here. The dry air and cooler weather are great for napping!
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Referring back to an old thread regarding BioPure products being energized. Just heard Dr. K say on a DVD that Quintessence (the five herbs for Lyme) is energized by putting it through a Rife-like machine. So . . . you know what HG says about not taking items that contain frequencies.
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Yowie! Out of the blue my right leg feels like someone hit a portion of it with a baseball bat. It is on the upper part of my fibula.
I'm looking at it and there is nothing out of the ordinary visible to the eye. But man, is it sore!
Anybody else have this?
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Try traumeel cream.
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When odd pains or issues occur out of no where...give them time before treating if possible. But do use your common sense. Take a quiet moment to think back in your past...to when you even had that issues previously...if yu did, you may recognize some of this as past pains and issues being addressed now with AI. Expect this to happen...we all have these type of stories.
This has occurred for most of us who are complete with AI now...we have revisited the past pains and injuries on many occasions. They took care of themselves in most cases in three or four days...or a week or so. I understand temptation to treat and run to a specialist when things occur..use your intuition as a guide.
I had very bad pains...re-suffering again physically when I used steroid cream many years ago on rashes. I got that pain again on AI...for no reason. It felt like it was gong in reverse...from pain to free from pain...in reverse.
I also re-suffered my broken ankle...from a past injury...just the pain memory...not the break. I re-suffered the low thyroid symptoms...very scary...from an old thyroid dysfunction...lasted for two or three weeeks...I went to a specialist for this one and got blood tests...they found nothing...it all resolved on its own...when on AI! Same thing with a kidney bladder infection...had the pain and symptoms...but after testing...had nothing.
This is real and does occur...IF you treat with something that could harm your recovery you will regret it...go light and natural if treating anything if possible.
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Additional minerals and AI: I e-mailed Mr. Grundmeyer today and asked about the extra minerals that many of us are taking. He said not to take them, but to just eat healthy. He was unsure if they would affect the AI treatment or not. He did not address the issue of detoxing.
Interstingly, I sent in a new sample as I felt I was not done with AI and I was correct and am now on round #10. I tested my minerals after beginning the round and the answer was "no" to most of them.
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