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My body is so sensitive that I will have to test everything and with the LW. I am curious about the nogiers testing for mycoplasmas for Selma. I am getting that possibly people react differently to light, so what works for one may not for another the same way. I think I get that Selma found Nogiers without nosodes may kill but not as strong (for lyme at least)in her testing for herself/daughter. nonpulsed light tested as needing nosodes to direct it to kill I think because the light otherwise appeals to the bugs. It needs direction but when it gets it, it is powerful. The Nogiers are already sending a message and adding a nosode gives it an additional message.. That s how I am understanding.
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Shandy -- spend the 70 dollars and get a biotensor, i know you don't have much money, bit I think you really need it to progress. Then you'll able to energetically test. www.self-health.net I believe is the website. When you get it, we can help you use it. Make sure if you get one, don't let anyone else touch it or use but yourself. Once you start testing with it, your electrical signature goes into it.
Thanks Selma for clearing up a few points on frequencies. Also I did know about the difference in frequencies of the units. I guess I didn't phrase my question well. Also I posted an article I thought was quite interesting about iodine and skin infections. And thought it might be helpful to you.
Just a curiosity about iodine, I was wondering about the topical use of iodine and LED use. Just offering for discussion. Sorry if I segwayed of topic.
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O2, husband is immune to ticks, no tick bites him, but they love us, me and daughter! He is out without any protection, he does lots of gardening, cuts the grass, everything, never gets a tick bite.
I get a tick bite just going to get my post just a few steps from my front door, without going through grass... My daughter is a tick magnet too.
Mosquitos rarely bite him too. They love me and my daughter. If my husband gets bitten, he would fall as sick as us, as he suffers from eczema and has some allergies. I'm sure a tickbite for him would be very bad. But he's not bitten, he's a lucky guy.
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Maureen, I have used Nogier without nosodes, with energetic tests, as you say. I don't know if this is OK for everyone, that is what I've been doing and what I am doing with other people. They are all my lab rats, I know...
But I use only seconds or few minutes.. so far everyone is still alive!!!
I wonder if I would ever meet someone that tests for 90% potency though. So far, no one I met tested so high, the highest was 60% (maybe a woman with thick bones tested once for 70%).
I would also ask energetically for how long would you need, and exactly where can you use light.
I also didn't really "herx" from Nogier, I also felt achy and tired though after Nogier one or another time. But my energetic tests keep saying that the Nogier frequencies were sometimes killing. True or not, who knows...
I am not interested much in killing with Nogier, I'm more interested in healing cells/tissue. If they kill, for me, it's just a plus. I don't think that Mucor racemosus killing will solve the problem of Mucor, as our bodies can rebuild Mucor from scratch. See what I mean?
My mucor is under control, and I'm eating all candies, cakes I wish, no sugar diet since I got the PE1. I'm back to cooking crepes and eating them with my daughter, it's been sooo long I didn't enjoy eating sugars as they did so bad to me... So the PE1 must be doing some healing, as I really don't think mucor racemosus would be quiet only with killers. See what I mean? Read the Sanum theories about mucor racemosus if you have interest.
I am also very sensitive, so the extra care in testing is for me a must. I suppose some people aren't that sensitive. I just get my head totally high when I turn on the PE1 to treat someone else, at the moment the light is on. I know most people say they feel nothing!!!
I do feel the same with green laser, specially if it is flashing through vials. The green laser can be just being flashed on the wall far from me, but just because I'm there, I feel the effect on myself quite strong. So maybe it's just me.
I'm just writing what I'm doing and what I would never do ON MYSELF (use light at 100% potency, for example). I would never go more than a few minutes per day either. But this is me. I am sure there are loads of people using Nogier for much more than 15 minutes a day and not dying after.
I react strongly to most things too. It's like that with herbs, with homeopathics, with green laser, with photons. So I go with care because I hate overdoing things or herxing too much. I've been to ERs more than once due to herxes, so that's not the place I want to get back.
No one knows how to use this PE1 well, everything is experimental. I wished others were doing more energetic tests and sharing their experiments so that we could take some conclusion in the end.
Don't take my words as truth, just try testing by yourself and come back here to share. I'm just a new user, so I'm sure there's loads to still learn.
One thing I am getting convinced is that using photons with nosodes has to be done without the presence of other people in the room.
I'm also taking extra care when on Nogier only. I ask people to leave the room too, so that they don't get treated with frequencies their bodies are not asking.
the PE1 has different LEDs that penetrate different tissues, as they not only have 880nm LEDS but other 4 wavelengths combined. That's why I guess this combination tests for such a short period of time for me. As the photons go everywhere deep inside, I suppose I don't need much time treating the points, only seconds with Nogier (or ONE second most of the times, when I use nosodes).
I packed ALL my Buhner's herbs in my closet, rain forest plants (pau darco, gervao), rizols, frozen garlic, and also all the Sanum nosodes, immuno boosters or modulators. My kitchen desk has never been so empty that I remember!! I'm keeping supportive homeopathics out though, and some cleansing herbs. Many are needed during the day.
Let's see where we go from here on! Lyme killers don't test. My EM rash has gone for good now. So far, not any other lyme symptom showed up. I keep testing for cleansers about 4 times a day, and my daughter about 3 times a day. Chlorella keeps testing and other stuff I said above. So something IS going on.
Has anyone treated BORRELIA ANTIGENS? I got my antibody nosodes, and was wondering if I have to treat it separately AFTER treating with bacterial nosodes?
any info would be helpful.
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Do you test for thyroxinum homeopathic Bob? Daughter and I are on thyroxinum C30 sometimes.
Sanum Polysans come with iodine too. I don't know if they would affect the photon treatment.
Sea weeds have iodine, right? I guess food wouldn't be contraindicated, so... why not trying to get some misoshiro with seaweeds? Easy to cook and delicious to eat.
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I made a pendulum and asked it the questions. It says mycoplasma and not lyme is acting up. The near infrared sauna (lamp sauna)is killing as well as the nogiers. I am not sure I am making this happen. I am glad I made it. Good practice for when I get the biotensor and to compare to it. I will get both to compare because I dont trust myself. I ate gluten recently and it says my neuropathy is autoimmune from that. Now, I have been talking about that with someone else, and it seems a little odd that this comes up that way. Also the talk of nogiers and mycoplasma.. ?? So I am not sure how much I am influencing. Buhner herbs it says are not helping but samento is and cumanda will. That make sense? All my binders tested good. Are there special tips for using the pendulum.. I made it from a metal chain and have a key hanging from it. It's relieving to start practicing.
Sparkle, I'm seeing it goe sideways for a yes and back and forth for no. Then it leans in more sideways toward herb when it I am closer to the dosage... it pulls even. I start it out going negative just to make sure. My hands are a little shaky.
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Robin, Buhner's herbs work well mostly for borrelia. If your body is not busy with borrelia but need the mycoplasma treatment, Buhner's herbs don't usually test.
my daughter was on pau d'arco for her mycoplasma, and one thing that is good is Rechtsregulat, I suppose. I'm sure there are other herbs for mycoplasmas, just keep searching. Also look into cardamon, I'm not sure it kills mycoplasma, but it tests good for so long for us here, that I don't know what is doing anymore.
I think you'll only feel confident with the time. But if your regulation is closed, the answers can be very wrong...
When you ask if they kill, this is still not enough for treatment. You have to add in the end, it this ENOUGH for the mycoplasma now? If not, you gotta try to find what will be enough. Many things can kill a bit, but it's the ENOUGH that you have to reach.
Same for cleansers, ask organ by organ, enough to clean my liver / kidney / lymph / small intestine / large intestine / lungs?
I mean, that's how I did. Sometimes, borrelia needs many killers, as well as most tick born pathogens... Rarely one single killer is enough.
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Selma -- thanks for the tip -- I hadn't considered a homeopathic.
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Thank you, Selma for all the great tips. I'll keep practicing. I have cardomon seeds in my herb/supp basket and saved your info on that. I tested for samento and cumanda today for mycoplasma and then the Buhner herbs as well for lyme, so I know this is not clear with me yet. Will test pau d'arco as well. Thanks so much. Robin
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I woke up today with my left arm a bit numb. This looks like active borrelia... I went jogging, and my left hand took time to warm up. Deja vu impression... If I leave borrelia in my muscles there (back, arms) without treatment, it will make lots of muscle pains, then toxins will be there for months... I know this...
I just had a kind of 'flash' thinking about blockages that borrelia makes. I have the impression blocking (energy and blood circulation) is one of the most important guns borrelia uses against us. My numbness tests as blockage on certain accupressure points.
I've seen dr. K. treating patients, and the parts that they are more sick ARE the parts that are blocked, that receive no remedies, no herbs, little blood circulation, etc. He can see that with ART quite easily.
So an ALS patient has his brain blocked, even if he's taking his good supplements, the supplements don't reach the brain. So his treatment is to unblock the energy/ circulation before ingesting supplements.
When I asked my body to see if the herbs were reaching the areas of muscles that got pain in my last borrelia revival, the answer was almost invariably 'no'. I opened the way with tapping or accupressure, but then, it got again blocked hours later, and I had to be doing that the whole day, opening the energy/paths so that my treatment was effective, many times a day.
And I still had bits of numbness on and off last year and a lot of muscle pain.
I felt borrelia was more persistent than I as it kept changing blockages (new accupressure points). I got numbness on and off for whole hours when I got tired to chase the accupressure points that needed treatment... It made me think that this blockage was one of the first guns borrelia used against me.
One of my hands were colder than the other, which was another amazing weird symptom. Lower blood circulating in one hand.
I discovered that rubbing some oils could keep some paths open, and then I guess I took some advantage on these blockages before I had the photon machine. But it was constant war, without rest, day and night chasing the points.
I'm just writing that because today I did another nosode treatment with all borrelia nosodes. I asked then the SAME accupressure points that were testing blockage (1 point on my back and 1 on armpit were blocking the energy to reach my arm and hands). Deja vu. Same points that tested on my right arm last year.
The photon device tested for these two exact points. So I did the protocol of dr. W., some more points I usually do, then added these two points of blockages.
I didn't tap or did accupressure during the day. Numbness went out in about an hour after photons. The two points don't test as blocking energy anymore.
This is very interesting. So far, it's evening, and the numbness hasn't come back.
So the light must work to unblock points as I suspected! That is one of the explanations for the efficacy of these nosodes with photons?
You can ingest whole botlles of borrelia nosodes for months, or years, I don't think they cure chronic cases. But with photons, these nosodes are reached all over, the information doesn't get blocked, so borrelia indeed lost one of its most powerful guns against our bodies!
I just keep thinking about the article about the GU syndrome, a disease caused by a 'secret' pathogen used to poison enemies long ago in China. The GU ideogram was of worms in a closed vase. The idea was that such Gu disease was described as worms growing in a closed vase, like when we leave some food inside a pot and close the lid and all the critters develop.
The author was comparing the Gu syndrome/disease to lyme disease. The patient is seen as though his body is a closed vase, that rottens inside, no circulation, no movement, no cleansing, no air reaching where it should, then worms grow inside.
The Chinese treatment of this syndrome was to make things and energy move inside patients. Many died awful deaths though.
I have the feeling that using photons, we open the lid of the rotten vase, then circulation re-starts...
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The light might have brought yours out ... ??unblocking with photon might bring out cysts?? and then let the nosodes energetic message in as well and the nosodes set the target to destroy? How else can one be lyme free with a few weeks of bionic treatment.. or are they?
Can something bring out hidden bugs and cysts and then kill them? Like a sauna even or exercise? Oxygen, light, movement? Could that be one reason movement wipes some of us out and then we are not able to kill the bugs as well as the photon/nosode? Could the nogiers do that for some... open up then soem of us have the ability to zap with our herbs, immune system and some struggle more without nosodes?
Do you have to clear the energetic blocks with the photon device directly or will it just do that? I cannot imagine knowing enough to know where I am blocked, let alone grasp all the meridian points to consider.
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I didn't read all of the posts but I skimmed them. My experience with a pendulum is that it either goes clockwise (yes) or counter-clockwise (no). I use a plain cotton thick button thread & a silver charm with a green stone on it.
You may want to practice a bit & ask a bunch a questions just to see how it works & responds. You may want to try different materials for the pendulum, too. I found that fishing line & a quartz crystal did not work for me. Also, my husband has a crystal on a chain that is meant to be a pendulum & it didn't work for me, either.
There's lot of info about dowsing on the internet. Just do a search on google. I also saw a few books at the library about it. I'm going to check them out next time I go there.
I think I did some major killing when I went through the big herx last summer with the LightWorks. I used it every day for about 2 weeks for about 40 minutes a day (with the frequencies). I had a huge reaction after about 2 weeks. It was alot of intestinal stuff, pain, diarrhea, etc. It lasted about a month & a half but after I felt better. I think the infrared light may be cumulative.
Now, I've been using the LW to treat pain. I use it for about 40 minutes every other day with different frequencies. I take a day off to detox. I haven't gotten the clear vials, yet (the mail is really slow down here). I am going to treat with homeopathic mycoplasmas from Deseret when I get the vials. I'll use the pendulum when the vials get here to figure out the next course of action.
I'm doing well with the InnoVita supplements, so far. I had to stop one (as per testing) & I'm feeling better. It was causing alot of detox pain.
There are cheaper "bobbers" you can find on the internet. Most dowsing experts say it's not the dowsing rod - it's the person's innate sensitivity. You just need to practice.
I ordered one from someone who makes them & charges a pay as you wish fee. I heard they were quite good!
I don't think I would use the infrared light with anything topical - like iodine. We use to use iodine & baby oil to get a super suntan back in the days before skin cancer from tanning!
Grapefruit seed extract may help bust cysts in combination with the infrared light.
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Robin, I don't know if I'll be free of borrelia again nor my daughter after few weeks. I'm not using the Bionic, but have an appointment to use it in April.
I'm just EXPERIMENTING with the PE1, that's all. If this will be enough, if this will last only couple of weeks, I don't have any idea, just hope. So far, so good. We're off all killers as I told here before.
I guess the light opens pathways no matter where it is applied. If you got a specific strong blockage it would be better to apply where the blockage is. It is coincidental many times with painful spots, I feel. So using the machine to relieve pain would do most of the job, I SUPPOSE.
Even without energetic tests.
The only problem I see in not using energetic tests is that I keep wondering if the light is not good TO THE PATHOGENS too as well as it is good for us. They emit biophotons too!
Again, there is NOGIER that treats lots of things, and there's NOSODE + photons, that treat BASICALLY what the nosodes bring as information. At least, that's what I can figure out so far.
Gigi used photons to treat her feet WITHOUT nosodes (if I understood well), only with certain frequencies from the Bionic, and she got borrelia revival, having been on remission for years.
I treated my daughter using her borrelia and coinfections autonosodes, AND treated myself with Nogier and had my borrelia revival about 2 weeks after using photons. I was not treating borrelia for myself, but could have gotten either the borrelia information from my daughter OR the Nogier woke my borrelia up.
If one knew what makes borrelia wakes up, it would be great. There seems to be a relation between photons and these borrelia relapses, but we're on 2 examples, too little to say. Maybe 3 examples, as my daughter got her arthritis crisis after using Nogier too. We were not on borrelia treatment, only using Nogier when it happens. She had been on lyme remission for more than a year.
One thing is Nogier treatment, we don't know how it reacts with borrelia and pathogens...
Another DIFFERENT thing are nosodes + photons, I feel this is a powerful gun AGAINST borrelia. My understanding is that photons make the message from nosodes be listened much deeper, or clearer, instead of just ingesting nosodes. As I said before, I don't believe ingesting borrelia nosodes cures anyone with chronic lyme.
As I don't believe photons alone can cure chronic borrelia.
We all have been using ingestable borrelia nosodes for ages here, to help on healing, but they were NEVER a monotherapy! We needed loads of things to keep lyme under control during the years.
But now, we're ONLY on borrelia nosodes + autonosodes to have lyme under control. So it is clear to me that the nosodes are working only due to the COMBINATION of photons + nosodes.
I don't believe Nogier alone can do all the killing job for borrelia either. It tests as helping to kill borrelia, but ALMOST all Buhner's herbs and other anti-infective herbs kept testing together while my daughter was on Nogier.
I also had been on Nogier for a month or more, and I still needed all Buhner's herbs when my lyme finally revived.
Daughter went through another treatment with Photons+nosodes today, we are mixing autonosodes with borrelia nosodes together. She tested for potency 50%, first time for her. Only one or two seconds in each point.
She is not testing for very lower dilutions of nosodes, so it may mean she's progressing with healing. I've seen that pattern with ingestable nosodes, we start with lower dilutions and we progress through higher dilutions until nothing tests anymore.
With ingestable nosodes, when nothing tests anymore, it either means remission or it means the ingestable nosodes are of no use anymore. We need to go on searching for alternatives.
I did the second borrelia nosode treatment yesterday for myself, so far so good. I still test for all the 10 nosodes, so I can't see I improved...
The hand/arm numbness is gone since yesterday's treatment.
As for the opening of pathways, I told here before that I am treating other people without lyme. I know a few of them have ALWAYS been blocked since I started doing energetic tests.
They came blocked to treatment with NOGIER ONLY, but days after they kept open. I mean, their regulation was open. I first deblocked them with dr. K's methods, but since then, no more need!!! No one had lyme though.
I need more experience with more people. I'm spreading the word about photons, and will probably get more people down home for experimenting my machine.
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Selma -- the cyst forms hibernate in cells that are diseased and not functioning. When you use light you re-power the cells. When the cells are re-powered they boot the invaders out. The cells could then take them out with nitrous oxide or they become vulnerable to the overall immune system. At least that was my understanding from many of the discussions in the past.
The nosodes are to put the immune system on alert for the lyme frequency to make sure you get them all.
Another thought is to use MMS with photons. That is another way IMO to get rid of lyme. I've treated myself and one of my dogs with just this approach. Neither of us test for lyme any longer. With the dog it took about 2 1/2 months, there is something about the metabolism of an animal that seems to make it work better. He's been off of it for about 3 weeks and has gotten all his energy back.
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Something to think about: Use your tensor or your pendulum and test. You will get a certain result.
Then cross your legs and test the same thing. Check what happens.
Take care.
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Thanks again for your posts, Selma. Always "enlightening!"
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Flat feet on floor yes is circle left Right leg crossed over left yes is circle right (clockwise) Left leg crossed over right yes is circle left (counterclockwise)
What does this mean?
I think I am getting consistant yes as counterclockwise.. until I cross right leg over left.
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Something to think about: Use your tensor or your pendulum and test. You will get a certain result.
Then cross your legs and test the same thing. Check what happens.
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I guess the bacteria would like the photons as would the cells.. and it seems to make sense that cysts might be released for the immune system to deal with or some other killing substance. I wonder if using nogiers while on antimicrobials would be even more helpful and if the there need to be cyst busters.. would the cysts be busted by the nogiers/photons or just driven from the cells? If they like the light, maybe they do revert back to active form.. so would using nogiers and herbs be a good idea? I was thinking that about the lamp infrared sauna as well. ??
I can see photons with no frequency like nogier needing help from a nosode.. or maybe MMS to be ther for the kill??? There is no direction there, just photon.
Nogier has some direction with the frequency, but even the Bionic has a frequency.. ?? and still there is a nosode to help out. ??
Sparkle did you use nogiers with no antimicrobials on board? I wonder if some immune systems can better handle the release and empowerment of Bb if that occurs.. if the "light" is enough for some and others need more assistance.
I am also wondering about biofilms.. if the light has am impact in any way. That would be bound colonies, I think. I am reading that ozone helps destroy biofilms and I wonder about photons. All I got was the use of infrared light to view biofilms.. I think. If the Bionic does work as well as it suposedly does, then it has to address biofilms as well? Or is that addressed another way by Dr. W?
Thank you you ALL. This is all so interesting and a little overwhelming. I'm back to concentrating on herbs and my new KMT and learning how to pendulum, bob, and dowse. What you are sharing is so exciting and I can't wait to be there, but I am not ready yet.
If you were to start from the beginning.. and I think, Gigi, you said something about this. What would you concentrate on first? I can see the allergy testing, learning to energetically test, checking detox pathways with tests or energetically??? if tests, which ones? Anything else good basic ground to cover? I would think removal of amalgams once allergy issue is addressed and detox pathways clear?
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The order I would concentrate are in the following order: dental, metals, lyme, yeast, co-infections, viruses, tissue repair. And through all of this alkalizing the body as much as possible. Especially breathing exercises, the more oxygen in the body -- the better.
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Hmmm.... I do not get any circles. I get side to side for no and up and down for yes. Is this right? Boy, I am getting confused!
I have the biotensor. I always stand on the floor with my right foot in front of the left and hold the biotensor straight in front of me.
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The problem for me is that my biotensor says that I do not have lyme, bartonella, babesia, or mycoplasma.
My remaining symptoms are sciatic pain, ear symptoms , and some tingling/vibrations (mainly in feet).
The biotensor gives me a yes for yeast, but I do not have nosodes for yeast.
Should I continue to treat without nosodes on nogier frequencies? Or would it be better to try to find some yeast nosodes? hmmm.....
Even when I am 100% again, I was planning on using the light therapy to keep me there, but without nosodes. hmmm...
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When energy testing with a tensor, if you cross either your arms or legs in any way, you are blocking your own energy, and your result will not be true.
Your legs should be apart, firmly grounded. You should not wear thick tennis shoes or rubber soles because they may energetically insulate. Watches, chains and bracelets and rings can also block the energy flow.
If your own energy flow is present, the tensor moves up and down.
If the energy flow is disturbed (which is often the case when ill), the tensor stays still or it swings side to side. That means your regulation is blocked.
Take care.
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Here's one to try, take the tensor on one hand and with the other hand put your hand finger pads flat on the table, notice which way the tensor sways. Now take your hand again finger pads flat against a wall. Again notice which way the tensor sways.
This is a physical reality, I imagine you can do the same with a pendulum.
Enjoy
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re: Sparkle did you use nogiers with no antimicrobials on board?
I was doing the full Cowden protocol at the time.
I got to the point where I didn't feel it was necessary to take any herbs or supplements for a while. The light seems to change everything.
I had a bunch of personal issues - so, everything became too intense. So, I'm not the best person to ask in regards to protocols...
Things are just beginning to get back to some kind of "normal" for me. I'm still going through alot of stress, though.
I had an Asyra test done a couple of weeks ago. It says my issue to treat right now is mycoplasmas. I also have to strengthen my spleen, thymus & adrenals. As far as heavy metals go - my issue is strontium...
It's interesting since I had 2 mycoplasma tests & they both came back normal. 1 was even done by Garth Nicholson's lab. So much for conventional testing...?
I have begun taking some supplements for the spleen, thymus & adrenals. I'm also taking a couple of detox supplements & I've been having a hell of a detox.
I also would like to start the mycoplasma remedy from Deseret Biologicals but the clear vials haven't arrived yet.
The doctor said I should just take them internally but I tested it (pendulum) & it said to use the LightWorks. I don't know how I will do it just yet. I will test for how to go about doing it when the vials get here.
When I do the pendulum, I usually sit on the floor with my legs folded in a meditative posture (not lotus... I'm not sure what it's called - Indian style?). I haven't tried it in different positions. This just seems the most natural to me.
Different people have different techniques. I think you have to go with what feels comfortable. Some techniques may be good but I haven't tried testing if the other ways are better or not. I may try it when I have a chance.
There are plenty of books on techniques. Joey Korn & Raymond Grace have written some books on the subject that are supposed to be very good. I haven't gotten to reading them, yet. There is much potential with dowsing & so much to learn.
There's always room for improvement or to learn something new... I have certain limitations with money & with my health - so, I can't always buy or do everything I would like to.
I just have to make due with what I have at hand. Some days I just feel lousy & I have only so much energy. It's hard to cover everything. I just try to do the best I can with all of this.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all of the products & techniques. I try to make things simple rather than more complex. Everyone has their own style, though.
I can only do so much. I do feel I'm on the right track with all of this "esoteric" stuff. I tried the conventional route & didn't get all that far with it after 12 years.
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As far as priorities for dealing with Lyme: What I know today is completely different from what I knew six months ago.
Today I would unless I was in a very acute Lyme state seek to do the test for DNA allergies first and follow it through with the therapy. I have written about it in many different places.
Once the major allergies are lifted, the body will be able to recognize toxins and will be able to eliminate them. I have always known that if allergic to a substance, especially some important foods, metals and chemicals, it is very difficult for the body to defend itself and get toxins out when we are exposed to them. I did know about that fact, but I did not know of a sure-fire way to eliminate the allergies, and being able to do that without avoiding all these good foods. Now I do, and I have enough evidence and I posted about it that this method works. Almost an 80% success rate is good enough for me.
Once the body is able to detox properly, all else takes on a totally different picture. Pathoways that you thought weren't working are now free. And the order I would then follow would be by energetic testing. Priorities first. The body knows best.
I learned that from practitioners who are aware and are using this www.allergie-immun.de treatment and after that are using the Bionic or other available methods are successful.
I know this is again something that is not available in this country yet, but it is easily available by mail. Cost? I wish I had known it earlier - my husband and I could have saved ourselves thousands of dollars in treatments that worked only partially, not to mention the lost time and the mental and physical struggles.
It really does not fit again in this thread either, but the question was raised as to approach.
I also realize that some people do not have the means or desire to do these or other therapies. It is not my intention nor has it ever been to offend anyone. I am just bringing it up because I am also learning as I go along and investigate and consult with people who have success with their patient treatments. I will continue to tell what I lear, no matter what, hopefully for the good of one or two.
Take care.
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Maureen.. I am using a pendulum, so it can make circles.
Gigi and Bob.. I am thinking you are both right. I want to prepare to use either the PE1 or the Bionic, if it really is as good as reported.. I want to get ready to go (which I think will take a year), go and bring the device home. So how to prepare is relevant.
If the allergy immune protocol works, then it will help clear the way for metal removal and I have been told I am too toxic for removal of amalgams by every doctor I have seen. Making sure the detox pathways are running smoothly would help as well, I am assuming. The only tests I have heard of are the Genova Comprehensive detox profile, the Genova genetic detox profile (not sure that matters?) and the methyation pathway test from Yasko (that is terribly expensive). Do you have opinions on those? Thank you... Robin
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I had a few issues in regards to using infrared light therapy...
1. extremely little money 2. not very many doctors who understand energetic medicine near where I was living, plus no money to pay them if if I found someone 3. very little information about using infrared light for healing Lyme
If # 1. & #2. aren't issues for you, it makes things easier. I didn't want to use "standard" treatments since I was ill for over 9 years & didn't have any good treatments for what was wrong with me. Even by so-called wholistic/alternative doctors...
I lived in a highly endemic area & didn't even know I had Lyme for over 9 years of being ill. I spent over tens of thousands out of pocket on health care (no insurance, no disability - but unable to work).
That said, after extensive research - I was able to find someone who did an Asyra reading for me from a hair sample. I feel like I was able to get a basis of how to treat from this. The consultation & hair sample analysis was $90.
They recommend Deseret Biologicals for treatment, as well as, supplements from a company called InnoVita. The supplements & the DesBio remedies cost me an additional $150. So far, it seems to be working but it's only been a couple of weeks.
I spent years researching my own health issues. So far, this has been the least expensive way for me to go using "energetic" medicine in combination with the LightWorks.
Deseret Biologicals also has a method of treating allergies. I haven't compared it to the one Gigi mentioned but they may have similarities. The Asyra is considered by many to be very accurate. I believe that Dr. Cowden uses it in his practice from what people have told me & what I've read.
This may be something to look into if the German methods are too expensive. I haven't gotten to the point of considering this treatment for allergies, yet. I have to consult my pendulum to see if this is something I need to address.
Hope this helps... Everyone is different & needs to find what really is causing the health problems they are facing. The standard & many alternative procedures just didn't do it for me.
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so, the biotensor moving up and down or left and right means that i am not actually getting answers from it? the reason i put my right leg in front of my left leg is from the instructions that came with it.
I am pretty sure that the instructions also said up and down was yes and side to side was no. Now I am so confused! I'll go find the instruction booklet.
Is it better not to wear any shoes when using it then?
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Maureen -- while standing if the tensor moves left to right = NO, Up and down = YES. However when you cross your legs right leg over left leg it changes. So for simplicity, don't cross your legs and no issue.
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PENDULUM: for me it always went back-forth, right-left. I don't think there's a constant for everyone. I prefer though my muscle tests, faster for me.
ROBIN & BOB: I think you still didn't grasp the power of photons + nosodes. This is so far THE MOST POWERFUL treatment for killing borrelia I ever used. MMS tests absolutely 'no'. We don't need anything like cyst busters, nor killers. I repeat, both me and daughter are on ZERO KILLERS for borrelia, nor even immunomodulators, nor cyst busters. ZERO. They test with a strong NO.
ABout cyst busters: when lyme is DORMANT, NOTHING WILL KILL CYSTS in my experience. No cyst busters test, if you still take them anyway, nothing happens. You don't herx, lyme doesn't get awaken. I've been on this dance for years now, and you know I trust my muscle tests. When lyme is dormant, cysts are hidden too.
My daughter has been on remission for almost 1.5 years. She had nothing, zero, no lyme, no symptom, no need for cyst busters, no treatment for lyme during this time.
When lyme wakes up, we need to kill the active form and the cysts at about the end of active infection, but after that, we are unable to do any treatment. That's why this photon story gets interesting!
Look at Gigi, who got her lyme dormant for YEARS. You can be sure she kept testing for cyst busters and had no need for them (Gigi, tell me if I'm wrong).
And Bob, do you test for cyst busters now? Even if you test negative, try to take them, nothing will happen! Just try.
And do you believe you got no more cysts for this reason (that we are unable to kill them)?
Bob, thanks for the idea that the cells recognize the pathogen and expells it, it makes some sense.
I still got another EM rash on my left hand today in the morning, that reacted with bee venom ointment. Now it's almost finished, I just see a 'shadow' of it. I always have EM rashes when borrelia wants to take hold of my body (almost every time it starts to wake up).
Another thing to add: My daughter tested for the lower potencies today, the ones she didn't test yesterday... So I thought to do the photon treatment again and had the idea to test in my big bacterial box, if I should treat her for something else TOO.
I just put my hands by every 10 nosodes or so to test if any of them were positive. All negative, except for one. In about 100, only one tested. I had NO IDEA what it was, because it is almost impossible to read and I didn't want to read it during the test.
Guess which one? Borrelia antibodies!! So I went to my borrelia antibodies series of nosodes, she tested for all. I asked if it was okay do do the photon treatment with them IN ADDITION to her autonosodes lower potency (that didn't test yesterday, but tested today) and I got a yes, then I did it.
She had been herxing but not too much. But guess what ? I got treated too, of course. I have spent 5 hours with very low energy and having articulation pains. 2 hours at lunch time, then got good energy again, worked out in the garden, then at 17.00, I crashed. The pains were strong and I could barely keep my eyes open, I was flat.
The reaction is EXACTLY what I had with Polysans from Sanum. The Polysans clean ANTIBODIES from several common pathogens. We just rub them on the body, and then lay flat after a few hours with the exact things I had today. The bone pain (vertebral column, knees, fingers, toes, ankles) is the same, feeling of tiredness is also similar... Deja vu again.
I am getting convinced that I got treated while I was treating borrelia antibodies from my daughter. Muscle tests say yes, the borrelia antibodies are the cause for my 'herx-like' reaction.
If you guys still don't believe on how powerful this is, just try it WITH nosodes. I was fully dressed, so I only got bits of light on my hands during her treatment.
We are on a very special combo for our livers, as it gets VERY stressed. I feel the liver gets more stressed than while we were on herbs like Buhner's + Chinese herbs.
We are certainly herxing, but it's VERY different from herbs as the timing is different (about 2x day we need bigger amount of cleansers, then in between, we're on several homeopathics and teas). And the stronger stress on the liver is also new. I guess the herbs help us with cleansing the liver, and because we are taking none, we need other help.
I am having very good results with: Heel products and Pekana products, all homeopathic. So does my daughter.
Yesterday, I needed though Nogier on my liver too. First time I used Nogier siince I started with nosodes+photon. It was wonderful, about 2-3 minutes, and I really felt the stress in my liver was lifted. I still got bits of pain after, but it was better and I could sleep well. No more pain in the morning. It was first time I felt the photons inside my liver druing the photon application. Normally, I feel nothing with Nogier (except for articulations).
BIOFILMS: not only lyme but loads of other critters do biofilms. I was reading that candida parapsilosis is the champion of producing biofilms. There are loads of other critters that do that. Specially parasites, GI parasites for example. But we get on and off infections ANYWAY, with or without biofilms.
I take Rechtsregulat daily, so does my daughter. I don't know if it is a warranty for getting the biofilms though.
I am not testing for candida parapsilosis nosodes for quite a while, after having treated it with Sanum. Like with borrelia though, I will never know if it will come back one day. So the infection is dormant for me.
I don't care much if I have it inside me yet, due to biofilms or whatever. When you know about spores, how these fungi reproduces, how the spores get to the tiniest of holes and then can 'wake' up later, I don't think most of these critters need loads of help of biofilms to survive.
Have you ever tried to get rid of fungi in the lense of a camera ? Once they are there, you can use all products you want, the fungi will come back if there's the tiniest hole for spores to hide. The tiniest hole in the plastic (microscopic) can have spores inside that will wake up once you stop using products to kill them.
Imagine your flesh, organs, everything inside you. Even if you could clean them as we cleaned the lenses (with all toxic products that kill and ZERO biofilm!!), there's no chance to eliminate all spores.
In conclusion, I wouldn't worry MUCH about biofilms. Your intestine shall have millions of little holes for borrelia to hide. And for spores of types of fungi/ candida to hide. It's our immune system that has to be well, so that these critters don't take hold of us. In my opinion.
If I had to do it all again? I would have bought this PE1 before and did experiments with it. I would have saved lots of money in herbs, that's for sure.
Now that the mycobacterium tuberculosis is under control, I feel I can go for the AI, thanks to Gigi's suggestions. I'll first try to make my borrelia dormant again though, and my daughter's, so that we can go on.
I'm finding more people offering treatment with the Bionic for borrelia, just googling. Of course, just in Germany...
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Sparkle, if you want to save money with homeopathics, you just get them ONCE, and they will last almost forever.
You will probably have one potency up, so in general, one bottle will make 10 bottles, if you see what I mean. That's how they are done. One D1 10ml bottle can make then 10 10ml D2 bottles, and so on, it's exponential. You don't need any machine for that, you can do manually.
You just google how to make your own homeopathics.
In my experience here (and the opinion of my homeopath), you can even add more water to make the next potency, it doesn't matter much. Just see the difference in the amount of water added in between the D and C dilutions! There's a BIG spectrum in between, if you see what I mean...
Of course, for very high potencies, it's better to be more mathematical, but for potencies lower than D30, I wouldn't mind with clockwork precision (unless you want to sell these products, because they are given under prescription and need precision).
For home use, I've been making my own homeopathics for quite some time now.
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Thanks, Selma. I'll clear my box.
Bejoy suggested using the remedy sets that some companies make for testing as opposed to consumption.
I'm just using the things recommended from the Asyra reading. So, I haven't had to buy a bunch of things just yet.
Please contact me if you need info about the Asyra reading & consultation. I'll send you the info. (I don't make money from this.)
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Selma.. the photon awakens the lyme from dormancy if dormant... ??? Or the cells awaken to push it out? You are dormant and test neg for any kind of txt, are exposed to the photons and BAM. Its out.. however it got out. Then the photons treat it by activating the cells and immunity and the nosodes by directing that.
When it is just photon light esp if when NOT nogiers which have their own message, the photons could awaken the cell and the lyme and there not be enough umph in the immune system to take care of it.. the nosodes direct like a targeted bomb.
When using nogiers it seems nosodes dont hurt and they seem to help as well.
I am curious why the PE1 works with no frequency and non pulsed and the bionic with frequency 11.77 and I think pulsed. Nogiers also seem to work with the nosodes.. but seemingly not as fast. What is the significant difference with the bionic and the PE1 in terms of efficiency? Is that one pulsed frequency 11.77... all the difference?
I think the man who makes the PE can change the frequencies some if that is a matter of difference.
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Selma, it sounds like you are clearing lyme in a sense.. Are you thinking to also purchase the bionic or do you feel good enough with the PE-1?
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Genetic tests are wonderful and costly. But - Amy Yasko? An answer that no one understands and no solution. Then what?
I am much more excited about doing AI DNA testing which also gives me a remedy to solve the problems once and for all. Wish we had this available or known about it a lot earlier. Would have saved us a lot of heartache.
Take care.
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Sparkle, sorry, I thought they were to ingest. So desbio makes the testing ampulees too? Great.
Would they have all tick born pathogens in D5-d6 potencies or lower? Does anyone know? IN SEPARATE vials? And how much would they cost, i wonder.
I couldn't find most tick born infection vials here...
-- Robin, Nogiers or not, Bionic or not, I am just guessing that photons can make borrelia infections revive from dormancy. The reason, I don't know. Bob has suggested that theory of our cells pushing pathogens out, it could be, who knows.
There's NO WAY to compare PE1 or Lightworks or any other technology to the Bionic. Too new, little use. If you'd like to go the surest way, go for the Bionic. The rest is just experimental.
The technology PE1 and Bionic aren't the same either. The only thing in common, is that both use infrared on the spectrum 880nm. And possibly, that the light is pulsed, but with the Bionic, one can choose settings for pulsing, with the PE1, one can't choose (either Nogier or no pulsing).
So I'm not sure that making the PE1 pulsing at the frequencies that the lyme users of Bionic employ will create the same effect.
Besides, the PE1 has other LEDs going in different wavelengths than 880nm... I'm pretty sure that the maker of the PE1 could do a special machine with those frequencies used by Bionic users, but there will be always the question: will that work?
it's only a matter of trial and error. Only time will tell.
If you're in a hurry, go through the known way, the Bionic.
As I said, I have an appointment to get checked by dr. W. in March-April, and it's no big deal to get there (2 hours away from home). I can't buy the Bionic, too expensive for the moment. So I bought the PE1 and am EXPERIMENTING with it. That's all.
The short cut is the Bionic, in my opinion. There are other practioners using it against borreliosis here in Germany, and they seem to have good results too.
I talked to one practioner and she said it's not a 100% warranty that in 2-3 weeks you are rid of borrelia, but there's a big chance to get it under control, even for bad cases of lyme that involve heart problems, etc. She told me that by phone.
My lyme doctor in Switzerland heard about the Bionic now (last year, even dr. K. knew nothing). I think the word is spreading.
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Selma and Sparkle, sorry if I'm confused, but can you explain to me how to get clear glass vials of nosodes from Desbio?
I want to use the light and the nosodes at home. If Lightworks isn't strong enough (knowing me could be TOO strong!) I will try to get someone here to buy a bionic or a pe-1. I know of a few woo woo practitioners . I don't think right now I can afford it myself as I had a HUGE!!!!! expense on my home chamber.
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Great O2! Maybe you could borrow a PE1 or buy it in conjunction with a few lyme sufferers from your area? We don't need daily treatment and it takes less than 5 minutes for each person.
the danger is always on detoxing.
As I told before, it takes more time to take the clothes off, muscle test to see which potency, time on each point, see if you need extra points than the ones dr. W. uses (you will probably need extra points, if I follow what I have been seeing with me and daughter), than to do the treatment itself.
I read in the other thread that the bottles are darker (from Desbio). Like the Sanum bottles. They preserve better against light exposure. But for the treatment, darker bottles don't work.
I suppose any pharmacy can get the clear vials for you. You say you need the 1ml or 2 grams vials in clear glass, I'm sure they will find for you (quite unexpensive).
Someone also suggested to ask Desbio to pour the nosodes into clear vials themselves, why not?
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That's a good idea, Selma. Knowing me, Lightworks will be plenty strong in the beginning ....
I sent you a little skype "hello"--message.
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Selma,
I have discovered that if I treat myself with a nosode and light, I had better do the full treatment on myself right after.
It seems as though when I treat someone else, it acts as though I am exposed to the pathogen, but the amount of light I get is not right for supporting my immune system fight it. Then I just get flattened.
I have begun to work up the other person's protocol for seconds and locations, and hand it to the other person on a card to do alone, and then leave the room.
I can't do this with my children though, so I have to be sure that my body can handle the treatment that my child needs, then treat my child and then myself. We seem to have a major family mucor race problem here.
To those who want to know about nosodes in clear vials:
Deseret Biologicals has a test kit that costs about $300. In it there are only clear vials. Included are a Borrelia homochord, and a Bartonella homochord, and LYM which contains the homochord, and some other lyme treatments. You might be able to order these test vials individually, but I don't know.
DB sells the homochords in a brown bottle. I don't remember what they cost. About $12.? You can also get the series remedies in drop form in a brown bottle with ten individual potencies for about $55.
I have bought clear vials from specialtybottle.com and transferred liquid into those from the brown dropper bottles. I have treated with brown bottles, but it is not nearly as good as with the clear.
I'm sure there are many companies that sell empty clear vials.
Ergopathics sells only testers, not treatment drops. These testers are not meant for treatment. They are made by computer. They have a set of about 30 different lyme and coinfection tester vials.
I have used some of these testers and potentised by machine to different strengths. They have been effective when taped to the solar plexus and used with light.
Selma, can you explain the Borrelia antibodies? I don't have access to that, and have not heard of treating for antibodies. There is so much about immunity that I still don't understand!
Selma and Bob, an others, do you think that biofilms are the same thing as polysccharides? They sound like the same thing to me.
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You would have to ask Deseret Bio about any custom creations. I don't know if they have separate ampules of the different dilutions or varieties of Lyme. It seems they could probably make something custom if you asked them.
I think their Lyme set has a variety of Lyme & co-infection pathogens combined. They separate the vials by dilution - I think, if I recall correctly.
I'm not doing the Lyme set at this time. I just got the Mycoplasma set, so far.
I'm going to start it soon. I'm going through a big detox from using the InnoVita products without anything else. I have to see if I'm ready to proceed with the Mycoplasmas & the LightWorks.
I've been thinking that when people say "herx" it's too vague. I seem to be going through a big herx just from using the InnoVita products without anything else. They aren't necessarily for killing pathogens - they are for detox!
I had to cut back the dosages quite a bit due to the toxins being released. I'm not sure I'm ready for the Myco + infrared light. I'm going to consult with Ms. Pendulum...
PS - I just got my bobber from Vernon (thanks O2!). I have to practice with it a bit before I can get it up to speed.
I realized one of the first things you may need to do is to ask it to indicate yes & no. I just sit with it & ask "indicate yes" & "indicate no"... Try different body positions until you start to feel it go through to the bobber.
This is just my personal way to do it... I try to make it easy & not get too caught up in all the technical stuff. The refinements are excellent but you have to walk before you can run.
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PPS - By "it" (going through to the bobber) - I mean a kind of energy. To me it feels like you made a connection - like a circuit being completed.
I try to put everything out of my mind except the question & the void (the great spirit, god, however you like to perceive the infinite or unknown).
I try to just focus on that & feeling the energy going through my hands into the device (pendulum, bobber, etc.).
Hope this helps.
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Are there basic meridians that do not go as indepth as on an acupuncture chart?
Or do you all check them all with the tensor or muscle testing?
If there is a meridians for dummies chart out there.. or list somewhere.. will you let me know?
Thank you all once more.. Robin
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I thought you had to order DB products through a practitioner? That's what I had to do when I got their borrelia series a year ago.
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I don't really want something that has ten different potencies in one vial. Is that how desbio works? Please let me know. That seems counterintuitive to me and I might undertreat or overtreat. I want each vial to have a specific potency.
What does anyone else think?
Thanks...
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Hi, everyone - long time no see. I've been off here for.... what.... 8 months? I've missed you guys! I've tried to catch up on all the Bionic 880 and other light treatment threads and blogs, and I'm really astounded by what all of you have accomplished and learned. Not to mention the amazing changes that take place as evidenced by your energetic testing results from various light therapies.
My theories keep evolving as to what is happening using light + nosodes ..... there about 9 different `traditional' ways to use homeopathic nosodes, but the addition of light adds an unexpected dimension. Perhaps more about that at a later time.....
Anyway, hope you don't mind me popping in with a few questions, to start:
Why use electrolytes instead of alcohol with nosode materials? (This amounts to an added `substance' to the nosode that has not been quantified in any way, so I'm curious as to where this practice comes from and why it is preferred over ethanol/liquor.)
Regarding the use of clear vials - won't the nosodes/remedies be destroyed eventually by the light? (Natural sunlight will neutralize/nullify remedies. This is one reason why it is challenging to use on crops and plants as sunlight destroys the remedies almost immediately.)
And along the same lines, was the question ever answered whether or not the nosodes (commercial) used in treatment or testing have to be replaced periodically because of the repeated exposure to light/energy?
Regarding the `ingestible' nosodes (not the test vials) people are using from DB or the ones from Germany, and including the Sanum remedies, are these usually purchased as liquid remedies? Or do they come as pellets or granules and you make them into liquid yourselves?
Sorry if I've missed answers to these questions elsewhere.
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Hey Tracy, you were THE missing link here!!!! I missed you. I thought you finally went to remission and didn't tell us all!!
where can I find the 9 traditional ways to use nosodes??
electrolyte story comes from dr. K. That's what he says he does to preserve home made homeopathics. I started with alcohol, but as I was ingesting a lot of it during my Sanum period and so was my daughter, I prefered to shift to electrolytes.
Besides, if you want to rub in the eyes and other open wounds, the electrolyte solution is MUUUCH milder. I was suffering for months with open wounds due to Mycobacterium tuberculosis. So I added electrolytes when I rediluted the Sanum, or the pain was unbeearable (as I was preserving my Sanum with 30% alcohol added)...
Sanum USUALLY comes with nothing added when you buy them, no electrolyte, no alcohol for that purpose. But you have to have loads of money to be buying Sanum every 2 months, or the products (water) spoils. I was bathing on Sanum, so no way to do that.
I had to produce my own homeopathics thanks to your lessons before!!
Clear vials are usually test vials. To be used for energetic tests, not for ingestion. There are loads of energetic tests that can be done, and many use the help of light, therefore the clear vials. As far as I know, ALL TESTING vials I've seen so far with my practioners are made of transparent clear glass here in Germany /Switzerland.
All Sanum for ingestion come on DARKER bottles for purpose of preservation. But they last about 2 months as I said before. Unless one adds alcohol or electrolytes.
The clear test vials are always kept in dark places, so in closed boxes. After use, I pack mine back fast.
The question about changing nosodes after a while is pertinent. I don't think one could use the same nosodes to everyone. The discussion was done in the Bionic thread before. Better one person using one nosode, or in the worst cases, the whole family on one set of nosodes. But not sharing with other people. Dr. W. makes each patient buys his/her own set.
Sanum nosodes come in liquid form. My borrelia nosodes came in granules.
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Bejoy, are you sure you don't have tuberculosis?? Go and get fast either Bovisan from Sanum (not sure it's sold there), or the DB series for TB.
It is SOUNDING for me like TB. My feeling is that it is TB. It is A DANGEROUS infection, it can kill 50% when it gets active. It almost KILLED me this Xmas, and I had it in my joints (fingers and toes and skin). It is not so common in small joints but in bigger joints, but I felt it was starting to take my hips.
I took Amoxy (it was not enough though) + bovisan (nosodes from Myc tub bovis) and treated with Polysans (antibodies of Myc bovis) AND it was still NOT ENOUGH. I also added San Myc for L-forms, and it was not enough, so strong the infection was. If it is TB, this stuff is STRONG.
The treatment is a combo of antibiotics given during 6 MONTHS, if you go the traditional way.
You need a very harsh diet, as nothing tests as good as they all feed the TB.
What saved me was the KMT. I did more than 6 hours a day. At that time, I still didn't have my photon machine.
Low grade fever, articulation pain (can have or not), loss of weight, fever on the skin that is infected, these are some symptoms I just read (I had all).
If untreated, it can kill. I didn't know it, I just read about it later. I just felt it was killing me.
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