Thank you so much for your insights. I am thnking about what you are saying about not being able to do high dose of anything. I think that may be ME!
I can see why my doctor pulled out her degnerative vials and tested my supps and herbs against that.
You said: NOt sure I understood what you meant below, Robin:
"I've been afraid to do the nogiers. I gave in and did once while taking a retrovirus homeopathic a few weeks ago? Not sure how to use nogiers and not start light treatment for pathogens.. not sure I am ready for that until I have a better understanding of how all this works."
did you have a bad reaction after the retrovirus treatment? I usually don't use Nogier with nosodes, but I think Bejoy is using like that...
My reply: I dont think so. Its just my fear of combining photons with homeopathy or anything for that matter.. it bringing out pathogens from hiding and my immune system not being able to handle.
I bought the lightworks for the purpose of using the nogier and not a photon protocol. Would love to be able to "safely" use it for that without bringing out more pathogens, empowering them, so to speak. I cant deal with that right now.
My body is too fragile.
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Robin, don't be worried if you can't ingest killers or whatever in massive amounts. We are all different and I react MUCH better to minimum amounts.
My daughter too. It was amazing to see her bartonella infection disappearing with so little, like arnica homeopathic. My highest dose of andrographis was 50% of Buhner protocol, and I only could take it short term.
The 2nd time I took high doses artemisinin, I ended up in emergency with terrible air hunger. I still don't know if it was due to a bad herx or due to 'poisoning' of artemisin itself (or because I had a bad idea to take more of andrographis simultaneously...)
I just need larger combinations (of herbs / homeopathics) to get better, not large amounts of things.
I wonder if I need to combine MORE things than other people BECAUSE I can't take higher amounts of individual substances.... How do you feel about that for yourself, Robin?
More amount = poisoning. More variety in lower amounts = healing. I see other people though needing to ingest massive doses to feel any effect with abx or herbs. Different bodies.
Buhner now recognizes his recommendations for the amount can vary (he wrote that in Planet thrive or in his site, I can't remember where).
He has seen people improve with his protocol with much lower doses than he proposed in his book. So no worry on that. People are different.
I see people stressing because they can't tolerate high amounts of abx or herbs. It's unecessary worry. What matters if you are improving.
As for bringing pathogens from hiding... They will come up anyway, in my opinion. If you chelate, they will come up. If you kill anything, others will come up.
The photons, on the contrary, are potent killers and will lower your pathogen load very fast, in my opinion. It will increase toxicity temporarily, this yes, with die off.
Don't forget you can use homeopathics with photons too to clean your body. It's not only for killing.
The ballet of rising pathogens for me just stopped in the past after months / years after fierce fight. And it stopped only temporarily to come back later again. This was before photons.
With photons, things got MUCH easier. I also had Sanum to help, which was a great help on candida and other common infections (strep, staph, TB, salmonella, etc).
When borrelia and candida are down, little shows up for me and daughter. This couple Bb + candida /fungi are, in my opinion, the most imunosupressive couple (for us at home).
For some is bartonella too though.
Just see the Bionic reports. People were FULL of active infections before the protocol and after, their fight clearly MOVES to something different.
From killing to adjusting, modulating, fixing other troubles, allergies, heavy metals, parasites, whatever. Of course, there may be exceptions... I don't think photons will get the Bb inside parasites, for example...
If your problem is parasites, then you are right, I also feel the photons will feed them! Again, energetic tests...
Now that I said that, I thought of Sparkle. She had so many liver flukes / parasites and the use of light just shut her body down... I wonder if it didn't have to do with feeding further the liver flukes with photons too (?) ----------------------------
I just want to share you an info I saw yesterday again on a video by dr.K. The info is for cancer therapy, but I guess it could help most chronic sufferers too.
One is about a cancer therapy proposed by a Japanese dr. Omura, the one that created the O-ring test. He said that sun setting (or sun rising) has cancer curing properties.
There's a sort of exact time (gate) about 10 minute before sunset til 10 minutes after sunset every day that has the highest healing properties for cancer.
There is a clinic in Japan that has high rate of cancer survival patients and the basic therapy is ONLY THAT.
You got to look at the direction of the light (light has to enter through your eyes, if possible, leave more exposure to skin too). But not directly to the sun (except if you are an experienced yogi....).
The mono-therapy of this clinic is eating healthy during the day, and at sun set, cancer patients go up on the roof to watch the sun set using only bathing suits. Their 'cure' rates are high, it seems.
The creator of the PE1 flashes nogier directly into his eyes, he told me. He learned that practicing yoga.
Some yogis look directly into the sun, usually at sunrise or sunset. I wouldn't do that because I'm not a yogi and I'm sure I can get permanent retinal damage if I'm not trained, but just look at the direction of the sunlight avoiding directly looking at the sun.
When it stops to rain, I'll try that just to see what my O-ring says. If you do energetic tests, you can figure out the exact timing of it. If not, the basic 10 min before and 10 min after sunset shall be enough according to dr. K. The 'gate' time varies every day.
Cancer therapy number 2 dr. K. was proposing is a sort of hole in the earth. Just dig a hole size of your body, depth enough to be totally 'inside' the earth when laying down. So the fatter you are, the deeper you got to dig.
Well, he joked about this "grave therapy"! So this 'grave therapy' consists on laying there, directly inside the grave for 20 minutes a day, no matter when (best is at the end of the day) and just relax.
You can wear clothes. Don't forget to check for ticks and other biting insects. I would put a sort of white cotton sheet (easy to spot critters).
He said most cancer patients improve or even get healed ONLY with these 2 FREE therapies. This video was from 2006 though, I don't know if he changed ideas now...
The explanation for the 1st is related to some best healing properties given by direct sun light exposure (whatever the reason is for the tangencial sunlight being better than perpendicular sunlight)...
and the grave techique, he said that this way, you get the most of the earth eletromagnetic field, if I understood well, that is very very healing.
In a later seminar I attended, he was proposing to connect your bed to the earth through a silver net under your bedsheet. So I think the 'grave therapy' idea is still valid for most chronic sufferers.
If you are an expert dowser, you can search for the best place in your garden to dig your grave (!), which is where the yin-state will be mostly promoted. Or to connect the silver net under your sheet.
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Hi, gang....
Well, my back decided to go haywire in a major way, so I won't be at the computer much for awhile...... at least I'm not totally non-functional and on 2 or 3 different drugs like in the `old days'..... there's always a bright side.
I'll let you guys know how the BioMeridian session goes. I may have to postpone the appointment if my back isn't WAY better in towards the end of the week. It's too long a trip for me, at present. We'll see....
Robin, thank you SO much for the hydration, broth, and salt info. This is EXACTLY the kind of information I need right now.
You, too, Selma. I, too, started adding Himalayan salt (sometimes Real Salt - sea salt deposits) to my drinking water (and my pets) a couple of weeks ago.
I've been drinking sea-salted broth made from locally-grown, grass-fed lamb every day (too bad it's gone now).... Then I saw some of the info posted over on the AI thread about hydration..... then Gael posted a new topic about sea salt and dehydration, which is an excellent starting point with some good do's and don'ts...... (here's the link)
Some of what is in the `Water Cure' (above link) won't coincide with the AI recommendations or the other info, but I'm not sure all the answers are completely known about hydration and electrolyte balance, cellular vs intracellular minerals, osmotic action, etc. Opinions differ, but I think there are some basics that can help all of us in our efforts to get the bad stuff out and the good stuff back in.
I've looked into where to buy lard.... yes, plain old, non-hydrogenated pork belly fat LARD. If I need to make anything that calls for `shortening', I refuse to use hydrogenated oils anymore. Butter won't work for everything, and neither will vegetable oils. I did buy some natural shortening made from palm oil until I can find some lard. I may have to render my own lard - I can get the pork fat from local people.
Okay, back to salt and hydration....
There were some interesting statements in one of the links that Robin posted..... it is mostly I reference to salt/c protocol, but I think there are some real nuggets of truth in there....
quote:12 - We all have an infection-induced form of something called `channelopathy' which means that our electrolyte ions are dangerously low, and the salts help restore that ......
14 - We are making up for decades of salt deficiency, and the body simply has to work though the things it would ordinarily have taken care of over those decades. This may include EMOTIONAL issues that we have not been able to process properly due to lack of electrolytes and thus low or unbalanced neurological and brain activity.....
16 - The good salt is finally pushing out bad salts and other bad minerals and toxins, and it is those bad salts and toxins that have allowed us to be sick. Sort of like putting good gas into a car after years of bad gas, it has to burn out the bad stuff.
27 - The body is an electro-chemical device, producing extensive electrical fields and charges. Some people have theorized that subtle energy fields in the body are essential for cell-to-cell communication and immune functions. Also, many people are quite sensitive to electromagnetic fields. Salt is a strong electrolyte, and with a sodium deficiency some of the fields of the body may be weak......
28 - Salt water is a high alkalinizing drink.....
And it's interesting to note that the most effective remedy (in single-dose, high potencies) for old, prolonged grief or emotional trauma is..... ta da..... NAT-MUR. And what is Nat-mur? Natrum muriaticum or SODIUM CHLORIDE. Common Rock Salt.
This is all fitting together.
Much interesting reading here the past few days.... I always learn something new here....
Selma.... a little late to comment but I don't know of anyone who cleans their ROOF!
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be sure to check out gigi's post on KPU. Interesting angle on it..as a symptom of mitochondrial dysfunction.
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Selma -- l-citrulline is very usefull for pulling ammonia from the body. Body builders use it after working out.
Ammonia reduces the body's ability to recover from strenuous exercising. Aerobic exercise increases ammonia. I believe kidney issues prevent ammonia excretion and uric acid crystals start to form in muscles and joints. Something that may have been going on in me now for the past 3 years. 3 weeks prior to that I was starting to get uncomfortable around the kidney area (a little bit of pressure and slight pain).
So, I'm very sure in my case kidneys were congested for some time. It is most likely the reason I had periodic inflamation in some of my joints as well as stiffness in muscles specifically the calfs and thighs. Add to all this, I had developed lower back pain. So I stopped aerobically exercising while I addressed, kidney, bladder and prostate function together all of which can be dysregulated by lyme and crew. And even if lyme and crew are gone the dysregulation is still there.
So far, I've seen gradual and steady improvement. In the last three weeks much has normalized again. Back pain is gone!
So I addressed it in the following way. 1/4 teaspoon of citruline in the morning and one at night. I used now foods arginine super stack formula (I want to supplement arginine but not too much). You could get the ingredients from the net.
I've also been taking some herbal teas, in the morning a combination of celery seed powder 1/2 tblspn 1 tspn hydrandea root, 1 tspn marshmallow leaf, 1/2 tspn gravel root and 1/2 tspn goldenrod steeping for about 30 minutes thus making 16 ozs of tea. I drink it on my way to work.
At night a combination of hydrangea root, echinacea, and skullcap using dried herbs.
After breakfast take a supplement for prostate.
I'm drinking lots of water during the day to increase volume and detox. And like Tracy, using the water cure for kidney and bladder detoxification.
Hydration is no longer my issue. The test of soking in the tub for 1/2 hour and being pruney doesn't apply to me. In a matter of fact, I feel very hydrated.
Also taking a bit of (1/4 tspn) cayenne pepper before each meal. I've started to cut down on the cayenne to 2 meals and 1/8 tspn. I think I'll be cutting down on the amino acids for awhile.
I don't see anything we do as permanent, just what you need for the situation. I needed to take care of the lower extremities before I could move on.
I'm also using the LED a lot more. It seems increasing nitric oxide is testing to use the LED more. Plus I'm drinking an energy water called emergen-c. It's like taking a b-complex with lots of vitamin C and minerals. Besides I got a great deal from the health food store.
I'm still taking triphala occasionally. However I'm pretty much in detox mode.
I've just added acs 200 and acz nano.
After all this has cycled talk to my doctor and see what's next. Especially for homeopathy. So I've gone hard for fixing terrain issues. I'm sure I have some energetic issues to still needing resolution.
All that I'm doing right now is temporary including the citrulline.
I'm going to schedule another appointment with my LLND to see where I am. Especially with homeopathics.
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Glad to see the l-citrulline is working for you. I am taking Pure Encapsulations Growth Hormone Support because it has arginine HCl and ornithine alpha- ketoglutarae, all of which are ammonia detoxifiers. But I should mention that the urea cycle occurs in the liver, so without a well-functioning liver, ammonia is often in excess endogenously, where it can get recirculated into the brain & tissues instead of kidneys for excretion. This may not be the case for you where it may be an issue with just the kidney, but ammonia excess is seen in hepatitis.
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Joey --
That's why I spent soooo much time cleaning the liver and trying to rejuvenate it with glutathione suppositories / cleanses / and coffee enemas. One of the big stimulants for liver function is cayenne pepper especially the super hot variety I've been using. I really feel my liver is functioning well. I've noticed my smell is irritating to others after I sweat from a work out.
I think urea is my real issue with the kidneys. I'm just not getting rid of it. Ammonia is an issue when the kidney aren't pushing out urea through urination. So my efforts are to get my kidneys to work as well as they can.
If urea is an issue it is very much like having gout. But instead of the big toe it is in muscles and joints.
I did read some of Gigi comments in the KPU and it talked about the body excreting citrulline. What is meant by that and if your fighting kpu is citrulline conter-indicative?
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In the article Gigi posted, the following is said on citrulline:
"The amino acid citrulline has the property to be stored in certain proteins such as e.g. fibrinogen. This citrullinated fibrinogen acts as an antigen and triggers auto immune reactions, i. e. aseptic (not bacterial) inflammatory reactions especially in the joints and the spinal column, so that as a result chronic crucial joint complaints or even chronic pains in the lumbar spinal column arise, which have nothing to do with physical strain. If there is a longer chronic condition, joint rheumatism may be developed."
I suppose this would imply that too much citrulline is counterindicative. However, I've never heard of anyone testing with excess citrulline. Even when I was taking it, my amounts were always low despite a possible NO surplus. This may mean that it would take an extraordinary amount of citrulline ingested to neutralize the excess ammonia and then have more left over to get deposited in fibrinogen.
I've never personally experienced arthritic symptoms from taking l-citrulline (2g/day) so I would THINK that it should be ok.
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Selma... I think that sounds good. Thank you. I needed to hear that.
Joey.. I'm not working with all cylinders.. does this mean citrilline is bad? Help. I feel like I developed arthritis from taking Bh4 and or OLE. Im not over it yet.
About AI.. help me y'all. I am so frightened of these drops. Can you point me where they explain how they are made or can someone tell me? For some reason, I gotta know.. I can take homeopathics fine.. energetic drops I just dont understand.. ( I trust you, selma.. its the idea of how a company mass produces presonalized energetic drops.. how can they?) I really want to feel safe and right taking trying them out. Just a block.
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Anyone done yasko? I have all these tests rolling and here to do.. I am guessing something like AI is best to do before the protocol?
Joey, did you do the simplified? I dont think I can with my ammonia issues (but dont you have cbs issues as well? so how did that play out for you?)I am also comt++ which means slow methlator and not to take folopro.
Bob.. if I have hepatitis, the basic liver tests show that, right?
I bought systemic drainage thinking it could be used with the LW without killers? or just alone.. seems if one has parasites, the light's a no go anyway?
I probably made a huge mistake coming off all my supps after this last event with the OLE, Bh4.. I learn NOW I should have started with less than a capsule of the BH4 and moveed up very slowly. I was not told that. My directions said 1-3 so I ramped up like an idiot too fast. Im becoming a neuro-mess.
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My opinion is that taking citrulline is fine. Esp if you have ammonia issues you probably need that as well as ornithine.
I still do the simplified yes. I have a minor CBS and my ammonia seems to be OK. Not great but limited enough so that I can continue with methylation supps.
Could the BH4 be causing you arthritic issues by speeding up iNOS? I'm not sure if it does that but you may want to ask MP to check you for NO levels.
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Minocycline may prevent dopamine-cell damage by blocking the action of nitric oxide (NO) in the brain. Some research has suggested that the release of NO from activated brain cells called glial cells is involved in the degeneration seen in Parkinson's. This remains only speculation, however. ******************************************
Maybe its for real. And maybe why mino helped me last time I had this burning in my head... and clears up my burning aching muscles and joints. Maybe it also acts on NO in nerves.
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yes Robin, hepatitis should show up on basic liver tests. If you trust blood tests. You can have them specifically test for hepatitis. But, it is only as good as the lab doing it. My daughter was tested positive, but she had been sick. two weeks later we had a more sensitive test done. And she tested negative.
citrulline is very good for removing ammonia. Joey how long have you been supplementing with it. And how did you decide to use it in your protocol?
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Not too long. I do it on and off depending on my ammonia situation. Sometimes I use it to aid in muscle recovery
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Joey --
I see what you mean, you can feel when you don't need any more of it. My inflamation is down quite a bit. I stopped aerobically exercising for about 2 weeks to remove the ammonia and to give my organs a break. I think I'll use it after exercising specifically for recovery.
When I was using it, I should have been taking more zinc then I was. Fortunately it is just an adjustment.
I wonder if a bad life style creates a congested liver it then compromises the amount of citrulline, and when citrulline declines ammonia starts to increase in the body causing at least some of the inflamation.
So, increasing citrulline in the body might go hand and hand with liver cleanses. Sounds to me Hulda should include it in her liver cleanse protocol.
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Took a break from treatment for a few weeks, then went back to testing yesterday.
Found more than I was hoping for, but at leas Babesia isn't showing anymore.
Found and currently treating Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. New one for me, as it has never come up as a treatment priority before.
I'll be making a series homochord in one vial from the mother tincture strength energy signature tester vial, on my copier. Have used this technique with other pathogens, and it works well with biophotons.
Also up is Aspergillis. I'm using Aspergillis 5x from Sanum, placed in a vial. This is also used to treat all kinds of other symptoms and problems, especially related to mucous membrane disorders. This with biophotons as well.
And also lyme viral encephalitis. Darn it. I thought the head, neck and shoulder pain was from the old neck injury. I'm using LYM from DesBio with light. I've treated this twice before. This viral tends to leave and come back from time to time.
Looks like viral encephalitis will need a few treatments, then add Aspergillis, then add RMSF on alternate days. I always use Systemic Drainage, as this really agrees with my body and avoids the herx.
Just in time for vacation cross country. I hope I'll be able to keep this up as needed, so my health stays strong. Glad to know there is an excuse and a cure for the headaches.
So glad to have the PE1. Takes no more than 20 min total to do a treatment that was taking up to 2 hours with the Lightworks. Results, however, seem to be the same.
Still not showing since light treatment: borrelia x2, bartonella, babesia, candida, TB, strep pneumonia, klebsiella, multiple fungals. (Am I missing any?)
What a zoo.
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Hi Bejoy, I hope your aspergillus and all other issues will get better soon!
Great then to know that the results from PE1 and LW are the same in the end! LW just takes longer, if I understood well? -------
Update from us at home, still no infection showing up for both of us. Daughter started again on Rechtsregulat + Omega 3 (she tests 'no need' but tests as 'can take them').
She eats almost no fermented foods, so there's no danger in getting some enzymes through Rechtsregulat. And the fish oil, we'll probably drop it when we'll have to eat more fish as we're moving to the coast.
I'm also giving her chlorella CGF, also testing 'no need' but I re-phrase the question again to 'is she allowed to take it?' and I get a yes. So I'm giving her.
What I am noticing is the following. Kids this early age catch colds very often at school. She's still catching a cold or another (like once a month), but her treatment got so simple. Merely propolis drops once or twice a day! And the cold goes 'dormant' after 2 days or so? It's 'funny'.
Before she needed quite more, many homeopathics, lymph drainage, rubbed essential oils on lymph nodes, accupucnture (without needles)...
Let's see in winter. I start to feel my daughter HAS an immune system!!!!!
Before, I had the impression the herbs / photons /homeopathics WERE her immune system. I couldn't trust her body!
I do think she's not allergic to anything anymore. I am still dreadful afraid to let her eat candies around in neighbors (with colorants and a hell other stuff inside), but so far, she's not having any reaction to anything new she's trying. Great!
I also tested her urine just with the word "pyrrol" and get a no.
I see people testing positive for the KPU and their saliva also tests as containing pyrrols, not only urine! Of course, it could be just my 'mind' playing tricks with me...
But I', suspecting that we also have pyrrols in the saliva (as pyrrols are in the blood in high quantities if you are a 'Pyrroler') and that the saliva dilutions treated her pyrrol problem! And mine!!
Depyrrol tests absolutely negative still, for both of us. 'Not allowed to take it'. So we're not taking it. Excess of zinc might be not so good, I suppose.
I do wonder if the AI wouldn't treat the pyrool problem too, but I guess not, because we see people that are on AI still needing the KPU protocol...
Our photon machine ONLY comes out of the box when we get hurt (contusions, wounds, scratches) now. If not, it stays in the box. We're out of preventive treatment.
I am just thinking before winter, though, to test and see if I could still photoon the borrelia 1,000K or borrelia antibody nosodes as preventive. But for the moment, we're not thinking about it.
We're still detoxing heavy metals, I wonder until when this will go. Both of us. No chlorella, no binders test ('not allowed to take them'). So we're still not taking these.
Our bodies seem to have learned how to detox these nasty metals by itself. Which is for me still unbelievable. I'm still not fully believing that, it feels like in a dream.
No zeolites, no phospholipides, no cilantro, no clay, no MSM, no chlorella, nothing nothing tests as 'allowed' to take... Only water.
For so long, we needed so much help to first mobilize heavy metals, then flush them out. It was so hard, the herx-feeling was the most awful thing one can imagine (except for babesial herxes, these are even worse than flushing metals off). But only babesia herxes compare to these 'metal' herxes.
Now they just flow out. No effort! I feel my head a bit 'airy', I feel my breathing is going on a bit deeper than usual while it happens, but these are my heavy metals intoxication symptoms!
And the skin got some pimples here and there. My daughter also gets some pimple-like thigns that test as 'heavy metals' being detoxing... Only that!
I am not 'allowed' to take anything to help these metals off, except for water. And they even don't flush out through urine, it seems, but by stools!
I'm so happy to get them out without mobilizers nor binders, you guys can't imagine what this means for us. My daughter too. It's really like a dream. That is why my brain still can't believe.
I am having the feeling relapse won't occur in the next months, but who knows. It's just a feeling. We're both testing as having a good immune system!
I'm also taking Rechts and the fish oils, like daughter. I also test 'no need, but allowed to take them'. So I take them. I bought many kilograms of chlorella like I always do for years (I stock them for the year), but now am giving them away to family members that need them. I'll keep just a kilogram or two, just in case. The rest, I'll give them away!
That's it. I'm also 'cooking' my ecklonia cava tincture to prepare homeopathic dilutions with it (sort of antioxidative preventive treatment to avoid having all these brain diseases in later age). I also test 'no need' but 'allowed to take it'.
I'm even thinking to make a website, then people could just contact me through it. I'll let you know.
Specially to talk about the saliva dilutions, because I think it was that that made our bodies finally turn the corner to detox by themselves (my daughter and myself).
And I will also talk about photons there because I still think there's nothing better than photons against borrelia and many other infections! (but not all!)
I do think photons helped immensely. They at least gave me a break to treat infections so that I could concentrate on other things.
And for life threatning infections like TBE or tuberculosis (many strains) I do think these photons + nosodes can save lives or prevent permanent damage!
Gotta go for now. Summer finally came!!
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This is going to be an odd thought.. but I will post anyway..
zyto.. if you are receiving frequencies of balance or imbalance.. not sure which one..
either way.. then is that not sending messages to the body that it might respond to..
you know like the quantum theory that observation changes reality?
imbalance .. being pathogen and toxin etc frequencies would alert the body like a homeopath
balance would message the body a reminder?
so zyto or other forms of electrodermal screening could be like biofeedback? and theraputic just by doing them?
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Bob...NO citrulline!
Organism: Borrelia burgdorferi B31
***Putative***Identity: arginine deiminase
Arginine deiminase is a calcium dependent enzyme.
This enzyme participates in arginine and proline metabolism.
Metabolism = breakdown.
an arginine deiminase is an enzyme that catalyzes the chemical reaction:
"Arginine is synthesized from citrulline by the sequential action of the cytosolic enzymes argininosuccinate synthetase and argininosuccinate lyase = ASL.
This is energetically costly, as the synthesis of each molecule of argininosuccinate requires hydrolysis of adenosine triphosphate = ATP to adenosine monophosphate = AMP; i.e., two ATP equivalents."
Look into ACZ zeolite.
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Marnie -- Already taking it along with acs 200.
Arginine -- becomes nitrous oxide which seems to need to be replenished if you are using LEDs. In energetically testing the more I used the LEDs the more citrulline I needed. The citrulline seemed more important then the arginine specifically. Citrulline is suppose to take ammonia and convert it to urea in the urea cycle. At the same time I'm cleansing my kidneys and bladder to make sure my detoxification is going well.
It might be possible to exhaust our bodies ability to create ATP if we use LEDs for an extended period of time. I think the LEDs are like a strenuous workout in that LEDs are causing a physical reaction. NO might be a bi-product of LED use and gets detoxed out of the body as long as our detox organs are working well. Citrulline might be a good supplement for converting ammonia to urea and removed from the body through the kidneys.
Citrulline has to be in balance in the body to manage the amount of ammonia. In summary, LEDs are like exercising, they create ammonia.
It could explain why so many haven't had a positive reaction to rifing or using LEDs. Or partly why there is such a powerful herxing / detox reaction using rife. Rifing may stimulate the same wastes as if you were aerobically exercising.
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R62 -- You may be correct about the therapy of an EDS session. Maybe the therapeutic affect is only as long as your observing. In otherwords, if the session could on for 10 hours that might be therapeutic but 5 minutes might not be. Its a hard question, because there is no real way of telling unless you try it.
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Joey, if citrulline combines with proteins, how would an excess be detected? The whole synthesis of ornithine and citrulline is interesting, but complicated.
I'm having some interesting results from adding more Himalayan Salt to my body throughout the day. For instance, for the first time ever, my morning urine is testing alkaline. And all I do in the morning is drink my 80% decaf coffee - I don't eat for several hours. That alone should trigger more acid urine. But I'm adding a sprinkle of Himalayan Salt to my coffee grounds, too. In fact, my urine might be a little TOO alkaline (7.0) much of the time. But that's so much easier to fix than too acid.
In some ways I feel better, some ways I feel worse. Something is changing, though.
I've also discovered a somewhat different type of salt..... found it in my own basement. (I forgot I had it.) It's called Bio Salt. It is a triturated combination of minerals with a `biochemical balance corresponding to the normal saline content of healthy human plasma.'
It was formulated by some `homeopathic doctors in England', and it was designed to preserve the proper mineral balance in and around cells for optimal generation of healthy electrical impulses. (RTBI - Reams Theory of Biological Ionization). Also, it was tested by Hulda Clarke and found to be pure (no sea gull poop or anything like you might find in sea salts).
Well, it sounds good on paper. I haven't messed with it yet.
Well, wish me luck. I go get my `electro-dermal' testing tomorrow. My back is well enough to make the trip. (Turns out she does NOT use the BioMeridian system - she uses EAV equipment and database.) In any case, this is my first time doing this particular type of thing, so it's all new to me.
The woman told me to bring ALL my supplements to the consult so if I already have something that will work for me, I won't have to buy anything. Ha! Now, I know most of us on this thread literally have boxes and boxes of supplements on hand.... taking even a fraction of all that is impossible. I don't think I need to bring any homeopathics - those are pretty universal brand-to-brand. I suspect her database is full of combination remedies anyway....
Maybe I'll just bring the stuff I'm already taking, and some things that I want to take but don't know if they are right for me. Any other suggestions?
I hope I don't overwhelm the woman or make her equipment start on fire or anything.
Well, I'll keep this short today.....
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Tracy when you go for your EAV eval, don't forget to bring marshmallows. If the machine catches on fire, you could put the marshmallows over the flame and they could become frequency energized. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I hope you find some good answers.
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Mmmm. Electro-thermally imprinted marshmallows - my favorite!
Thanks for the encouragement. This type of testing is a new adventure for me.
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How was your EAV, Tracy?
did you have good mashmallows there???!!
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I just tried to scan these posts....took an hour, did not do it justice.
Had my first bionic 880 treatment today by Dr. W. in Germany.
I posted a new thread about it, but wondering what the talk about negative bionic 880 experiences is referring to?
Did someone get harmed by this treatment?
I know I ran across a website not too long ago of a guy saying that bionic had harmed someone, and people were not talking about it, and some of the negative posts about bionic 880 were mysteriously being removed from the internet.
Thought that was pretty crazy... the entire idea of people hushing it.
Any comments?
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Selma and all.......
WOW.
I have to say that I'm impressed with the `diagnostic' part because it has confirmed SO much of what I already suspected or knew.
I'll have to see about the `treatment' part of it.
On the drive home - in the middle of the most AMAZING thunder and lighting rainstorm - I thought to myself, `This is what medicine SHOULD be.' This system not only looks at the imbalances, but it assesses what the CAUSE(S) are. The treatment is geared towards treating the CAUSE(s). Including miasms.
It's so logical.
I feel a bit like Robin, though - pretty overwhelmed with information right now. Ideas are flying around in my head like popcorn in a popper. I guess I've got to wait a bit until all my ideas get `popped' before I can really settle down to lay out my `plan of action'.
(Oh, BTW, this isn't exactly EAV, either. Well, it is, but because it's hooked into computer software and a database, they call it CEDSA - Computerized Electro-Dermal Stress Analysis. This lady also has am 'imprinting' plate interfaced with the software so she can make all kinds of remedies with mixed potencies, etc.)
Oh, and thanks a lot, Bob. Now I have this overwhelming craving for toasted marshmallows. I'll bet it's been at least 12 years since I ate one. I've waited long enough. I am a woman on a mission.......
Sorry, Mary - I only heard rumors about some of the same things you mentioned, but I don't know anything more. I'll have to check out your post about your experience, though!
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"I do wonder if the AI wouldn't treat the pyrool problem too, but I guess not, because we see people that are on AI still needing the KPU protocol..."
Selma, I am not doing the KPU protocol any more as the AI seems to be clearing it. Stopped the KPU after my first round of AI.
I did test positive for KPU, but my ND and I both energetically test now that I should only do the AI at this time.
Results are to be seen after completion of the AI, and I will report, but most that I know of who are doing the AI, are not doing the KPU.
I only know of two active posters doing both therapies together.
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Tell us more soon, Tracy! I wonder if zyto looks into causes.. want to know more what you mean by that. I have a list of stressors more pathgen toxin related..
Glad it all went so well:-)
LP and Selma.. when you get that KPU is cleared, do you also get a detox, moving of metals?
Thanks
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Robin, we may have to compare notes on the Zyto and CEDSA methods. Probably through PMs.
Perhaps stressors and causes equate to the same thing - just different terminology.
For example, 3 areas of my body came up as priority issues, and testing indicated that these 3 were all I could handle treating at one time. The causes for each were a little different, but they included: major pH balance issues and acidosis of my whole system, trace mineral deficiecies, heavy metals, toxins, and the Sycotic and Syphilitic MIASMS. (The miasms were inherited and who knows how far back they go in my ancestry.)
Note that 'infections' did NOT show up at all as 'causes' in these first 3 areas.... at least not at this time or not in these particular places. And the practitioner DID check for infections as a cause for each area - the list of possible causes was pretty long.
So, then the protocol - the products/substances/ homeopathics needed to balance these areas - is then put together and a final analysis is done to see how many problem areas - not just the top 3 - could be balanced or improved with the products. Isn't that very similar to the Zyto system?
Boy, if you ask me, we really need a thread out there where a number of these testing + treatment systems can be briefly explained and discussed, all in one place..... there are so many out there!
I'd start a thread myself but I'm still trying to find my fanny with both hands understanding this CEDSA stuff, plus I've received some fantastic information about my problems from another souce, so I'm on total overload.
When I think of all the medical 'tests' I would have had to do to learn what I have with the CEDSA, it seems pretty darn cheap.
As for treatment.... well, the practitioner warned me about detox symtpoms, etc. She has assured me that I'm not going to be lodging any heavy metals in my brain, that the support products I'll be using insure that the metals are eliminated, not relocated.
*gulp* Hope she's right....
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Tracy, great to read about your experiences with this testing machine.
Quite on the actuality, as I do think the AI does the same (with a computer, then create a remedy, probably something similar with Asyra or so?).
I wonder what kind of magical treatment your doc will give you to insure heavy metals are eliminated for good. That you GOT to share with us!!!!
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R62 - not sure about the movement of metals after the KPU clearing...neither has happened yet, but I am in anticipatin of metals and a form of detox happening with it.
I will post either way. This whole AI process could take a year's time. but I do see detox happening, but to what healing extent is the question.
This will be hard to compare individually, but so far I have experienced enough positives to say it has been worth it so far, no matter what else clears. It's fun to observe and get pleasantly surprised.
I'm interested in all each of you are investigating or trying, and love to hear all results. I will not do any other treatments until my AI is done, so I Know what treatment is actually ccomplishing what outcomes!
Although I am adding a few remedies for support when needed.
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I also wonder the difference if any between AI and Asyra/Zyto etc like energetic drops.. the saliva or blood has to be scanned and then "energetic" balancers or informers? are put into the water?
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Thank you, LP.
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Selma, when I sit down and figure out exactly what I'm taking, I'll try to sort out which is for what....
Robin, no, we didn't get into any investigation of infections as they didn't come up as a primary `cause' through testing (at this point). They might surface later or in another area - I've no idea. And I have no idea what this lady might have in her database of infections to look at.....
I wonder if all these testing methods are similar in how they `prioritize' individual malfunctions in the body. Do they all try to address the most basic, underlying problems first (the bottom of the pile)? Or do some of them work on the most obvious `top layer', and work downward?
In the case of the CEDSA, supposedly, it is MY body/brain that tells the machine what should be the priorities. In that sense, it's difficult to determine if my body is working from the top layer down, or from the bottom layer up. Or, none of the above.
I must confess, the treatment spooks me. Not only are there lots of homeopathics and potencies mixed together, but there's one remedy in there - Thuja - that I swore I would never take without the support of a homeopath. Thuja (and Sulphur, too) is known to `throw symptoms out to the surface'..... meaning that hidden or suppressed symptoms will manifest themselves...... it can be like poking a stick into a hornet's nest.
*gulp*
I haven't gone through all of the products yet to see what's in them..... and I don't have them all yet, anyway.
Meanwhile, summer is finally here and we are having incredible weather - not hot, not cold. I'd better enjoy it while it lasts. Could someone please pass the marshmallows?
Oh, one other thing....... ever since I started taking quite a bit of Himalayan salt - sometimes in water, sometimes I just lick it off my hand and then drink water - my urine smells REALLY strong, all day long. It's definitely related to the salt intake. Hopefully, it means that I'm releasing something nasty.
I keep looking around expecting to see a horse that has been drinking a lot of beer..... as if this smell couldn't possibly be from MY urine.......
Anyway, I've started backing off the salt late in the afternoon - give my kidneys a chance to clear everything out for a few hours.
(BTW, my `salt protocol' did test as something I should continue to do - all in keeping with the pH/ acidosis/ lack of trace minerals problem. The practitioner tested all of the supplements I'm currently taking, and everything checked out as being fairly `balanced' to my body, and compatible with her `protocol'. She suggested a small dosage change on a couple of them.)
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My daughter used Thuja so much. It's a common remedy here sold over the counter against viral warts. That's the ONLY thing that works, that I found so far against these warts that are very common here in Europe.
I also use Thuya for the immune system sometimes. I find it gives a boost for some types of troubles...
Which potency is the person suggesting you to take, Tracy?
It seems you had a BIG trouble with electrolyte imbalance Tracy. Congrats for your horse wee!!!
Funny that electrolytes is one of the FIRST thing followers of dr. K. check you for. Electrolytes, enzymes, heavy metals.
I've been using Himalayan salt then for about 3 years (I guess since I first saw my naturopath) and I love it too. I cook with it, it tastes so much better than any salt!
When we were still sick, we drank a water solution (sucussed!!!) with bits of Himalayan salt every day. Now this simply doesn't test anymore. I guess when the body is not anymore sick, it loses less electrolytes or we get balanced only by eating minor amounts of salt in food, so no need to supplement?
If I were you, I would buy a bottle of Rechtsregulat, do a D1 dilution with it and take one dropperful a day. A bottle will last the whole year, probably. I find that another simple but very effective way of balancing the gut.
This D1 dilution of Rechts always tests better for us than any probiotics so far. I didn't buy Progurt though to compare. But I never felt adding probiotics for a long time did a great deal when compared to these enzymes (I also took Pro Em San and Vita Biosa). I liked them too.
---- I was reading about breathing exercises today (dr. Mercola was talking about an interesting breathing technicque called 4-7-8) and provided some other links to read about.
I am wondering if such technique (and another about breathing from different nostrils) wouldn't help us to have more oxygen INTO our cells.
The feeling after doing these exercises is REALLY good!!
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Yes, oxygenation of our cells is another challenge. And when you think about it, most of the water we drink today is DEAD water; it has sat around in water tanks or pipes or bottles and lost most of its oxygen content. Maybe we need to buy those oxygenator things they put in fish tanks. Sometimes, I just succuss my water to put oxygen bubbles in it!
Rechsregulat, huh? I can't even remember what that's for..... well, one thing at a time. I'm working on the dog right now.....
Oh, and I think the Thuja is a 10x potency in the one product I have coming. Thuja is a wonderful remedy and some people handle it just fine. But if you scanned through hundreds of comments on homeopathic forums, you would notice that there are a surprising number of `HELP!' posts coming from people who have taken Thuja and they are having troubles. Good to know about the wart thing as I've developed a few small ones the last couple of years.......!
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Selma & Tracy -- a simpler solution might be prill stones. i haven't commented on it before, because I wanted to be sure, but i've energetically tested against "smart water" and is it's equal imo. One of my main issues last year was dehydration. I think this one little thing solved my dehydration issues forever for about 20 dollars, such a deal.
you don't have to agree with these gentlemen's methods for cleaning water. but at least agree who important it is for all our future.
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Bob!
Many thanks for posting a 'testimonial' about the prill beads...... I'd forgotten I even had them.
Are you still drinking the Prill water? Did you get your beads from Global Light (globalight.net)?
I guess I got mine well over a year ago.... I bought the Prill Beads + the Cosmic Energy Stones as a package. I also bought one of those basic Stirwands..... I didn't tell anybody I got this stuff because it sounds so woo-woo and kooky .......
Unlike you, though, I didn't notice any difference from any of them. I tried the Stirwand first for a couple of weeks, then I made the Cosmic/Prill Water and didn't notice anything from that, either. I can't remember how long I tried this stuff, though.
Bob, what kind of water did you use with your Prill Beads? (Distilled, filtered, RO, etc.)
I think I should try all this stuff again. I can't remember enough about what else I was doing at the time, so I should just start over.
There's a PDF file at Global Light about the Cosmic Energy Stones that got me interested. Here are a couple of excerpts:
quote:Cosmic Water emits infrared energy. Infrared energy energizes water molecules in the body and improves oxygen levels. Infrared energy warms fats, chemicals and toxins in the blood to assist in eliminating them and also improves the flow of blood. It also helps reduce body acidity.......
The Cosmic Energy Stones modify water in five main ways: - Making water more alkaline-producing when processed by the body - Flooding water with a wavelength of 656 nanometers (far infrared) energy - Reducing surface tension more than 8 percent - Increasing water's Life Force energy and changing water's atomic spin. - Removing deuterium oxide from water.
I thought it was interesting that one person at Curezone said the Prill Beads stopped working after awhile.
I'll go read the line from your second post.....
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Bob, I didn't understand something you wrote......
**``i've energetically tested against "smart water" and is it's equal imo.''**
``Smart water' is something you didn't test for, but the prill water is similar? I guess I don't understand - could you clarify for me?
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I took two bottles of water and asked the question which one would be more hydrating. Which one would be more nutritionally valuable. I got an equal response from both questions.
So economically speaking, the prill stone are far more economical then buying smart water. 20 dollars and you have the prill for life.
The water by itself isn't going to get you well. But it will aid in detoxification, but more important, you'll be hydrated.
I drink about 48 ozs of prill water every day. I also drink a lot of herbal teas, about 32 ozs of different varieties made with prill water. The teas are concentrating on the kidneys and bladder function.
As far as the cure zone comment on stop working, well how detoxified or hydrated can you get. In other words the water completed its job.
I'd say my hydration is perfect right now, I'm not quite sure I'm completely detoxified yet. But I believe the water does help.
It would be great now to see if a few others would try it and offer comments. I believe it has helped me over the months of using it.
And your right, its way too woowoo for most here. Especially the idiots who complain every alternative is MLM. I really don't care what folks think of me, to me its more important to try something and post the results if it seems to help. Which i did, so if I was guinea pig so be it. We all are guinea pigs whether we're using long term ABX or MMS.
I alway keep the eyes on the prize. Health not just for myself, but for all lymies.
No one has a lock on how to cure lyme for all of us yet. We may find we need lots of levers to remove this disease. Water, Air, Food, environment and desire to be well, might just be the most important levers to getting well -- not just killing some organism.
Water is very important lever, if this works for 20 dollars for life, seems like a modest investment. Then, why don't we as a forum have few people try it. And let are own testimonials guide us from people who have posted and those we respect.
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Oh, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification, Bob.
So, what kind of water do you use to make your `prill water' with? I'd like to know since maybe I wasn't using the right water to start with when I did this before.
And I wasn't sure if it would be wise to heat/boil prill water or not (for teas and such), but I guess you are doing that, too.
If I'd had any success with my Cosmic Water, I would have posted about it, too - kooky or woo-woo or not. It will be interesting to see if it works for me this time, now that I've stopped using regular salt, added more trace minerals (Himalayan & sea salt) and changed my diet a lot.
I started seeing signs of hydration problems clear back in about 1880, so I've had this problem awhile. Maybe that means it will take longer for me to respond to prill water. This hydration thing has to be a key element in toxin/waste removal and nutrient uptake....
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Amybody heard from Sparkle or Alv? Just wondering if they were okay.....
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Tracy -- prill can be used in teas as well. It took 2 to 3 months for prill to rehydrate me, I was extremely dehydrated. I can't say it was totally responsible, because I've taken sooo many things all natural though.
So you have to be patient, by the way I think you meant 1980.
I have an aquasana filter and use the water filtered from the tap.
A pinch of a good cayenne pepper and lemon every now and then might help as well.
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R62, I should probably stay away from the Epigenetics thread...... it is my contention that Epigenetics is simply `science' catching up with the homeopathic Miasm theory. Some people get all bent out of shape over that.
Thanks, Bob. I think I'll use filtered tap water, too rather than distilled (though I have a distiller if I want to change or do that from time to time.) I cleaned out my Cosmic/ Prill water jar last night - I had left water in there with the prill beads and stones for months. I had to use Limeaway to get the mineral deposits off the glass. But it was completely different than the stuff I have to clean out of my distiller. Interesting.
Ha, ha! Must have been my inherited Miasms talking when I typed 1880 in my previous post.
I can only tolerate a wee bit of cayenne - if I wanted to take much of it I'd have to put it in capsules. Lemon trashes my stomach. I can't figure that out. I can drink this hot, ultra-salty water all day long and never a problem. A few drops of lemon in water and my intestines tend to get all bloated and rigid. (Probably some parasite down there that just doesn't care for lemon. Though this can happen with Stevia, too. All these things I mentioned should be alkalizing...... - go figure.)
Nobody has heard from Sparkle? Do we know that she's okay?
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