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Razzle, my belief is that it depends on the amount of toxic burden from mercury the person has.
I have seen examples of people who had a few amalgams but did not have lots of amalgam replacements (where they were subjected to mega amounts of mercury when their old fillings were drilled out and replaced with new ones without safe removal procedures). They did not have a lot of buildup of mercury over the years, so mercury was not a heavy factor in their illness.
In my case, I had lots of fillings since I was a kid. Some of them very large, and replaced a few times without safe removal procedures.
So I have had a LOT of mercury exposure over the years. I think mercury was a major causative factor in my illness. I was never bit by a tick, but we pulled dozens of ticks out of my dog. I think I got the disease from him through saliva (he used to lick my face). I believe the Lyme has been in my system for decades without presenting a problem due to a strong immune system. When that last filling was removed unsafely and put my toxic body burden over my body's tolerable threshold, that's when all hell broke loose.
In my case, I don't think it's possible for me to get well unless I get the metals out.
On the naturopathic side, the docs will tell you you won't get well without the mercury out.
Medical docs don't even mention it. Some people get well on abx without amalgam removal, but they're very much in the minority. I think when that happens, it's because the person didn't have enough fillings for long enough and enough overall exposure.
I think relapses occur for two reasons: 1. the bugs come out of cyst form. 2. the body's immune system is not strong enough to fight it on it's own due to the toxic burden. Get the toxicity out, get the gut healed and healthy and that's the most critical step.
What can be at least as bad and according to many, worse than amalgams are root canals.
Root canals always harbor pathogens of all kinds, bacteria, viruses, etc. The dead tooth blocks energy meridians essential for the body's immune function, furthermore the pathogens themselves cause problems. NDs correlate many cancers and other life threatening diseases to root canals.
Root canals represent another "fleecing of the public" because they are such a threat to health.
Some people have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on herbal and other therapies for Lyme, and when they don't work, they're told that it's because they didn't get rid of their root canals and/or amalgams.
I was just speaking to a member of a local Lyme community who has had Lyme for many years. She knows people who have recovered and people who haven't. She shared with me that all the people who have recovered have had their amalgams and root canals out. Those who haven't recovered, didn't. She has been through the same therapies (and more) as several of the people who have recovered. She has gotten better twice and relapsed both times. She now believes (she didn't before) that the amalgams in her mouth are to blame.
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Here's one thing about metals and rifing:
All the time i was rifing, a year and a quarter, i never had any metallic taste in my mouth.
Selma says the PE-1 moves mercury.
In the last week, using the PE-1, i have had a metallic taste in my mouth, and felt forced to take chlorella and cilantro extract to try to get rid of it. Actually did get rid of it today and felt very good.
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Hey guys - I think I'm having some liver issues (body odor, urine smells, some pain on right side)
Anybody have good success with certain detox frequencies? More specifically the liver?
CAFL says treat E Coli and parasites if liver and foul urine issues.
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April 3rd, 2011 12:00 PM: This was my 69th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. I continue this session based on the frequency of 306hz from February 21st 2011. Symptoms seem to be worsening gradually rather than improving now. It is time to change up the routine I suspect.
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 27 2: 306 3: 612 4: 920
1: Dose: 10 min each
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration:48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, 20 dp of each x 1.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
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chaps, Ya - I do em once a week. They definitely help. As does taking ornithine.
But if I stop doing either the smell comes back pretty quickly.
chaps do you know what John did to support his liver during his rifing?
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Hi - I had acute lyme for 14 years before discovering frequency therapy. I started with a coil for 13 months and had very good results. Then I progressed to the DP200/DP300 from Meissnerresearch.com which was clearly more effective for me and I believe I have rid myself of just about all CNS symptoms for the last year. The DP series scans all frequencies in one session. It now takes me about 10 minutes to do a session including set up, vs. about 45 minutes to an hour plus
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quote:Originally posted by Razzle: So does this mean that a person who has metal fillings cannot recover from Lyme at all?
Also, if a person is allergic to the alternative filling materials, does this mean they should just have all their teeth with metal fillins pulled instead?
Just trying to understand the implications of this...
This is exactly what my Dr. believes and it's the first thing he addresses in treatment. Personally, I don't think it's impossible to heal with the mercury fillings but makes it more difficult.
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When I asked J. about detoxing, all he mentioned was Welchol, and he didn't even do that until he was almost done.
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Juli,
How would I know?
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chaps,
I have some good detox supplements - but quite honestly I'm hesitant to use them because I don't want to mask the herxes. (especially early on with doug coil)
How would I know what I'm hitting or if it's successful : )
Do you use anything?
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Are you taking milk thistle to protect your liver?
You should!
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I was on Pekana products for a while, giving that a break. I take milk thistle and kidney essentials from Swanson. Other than that, the coffee enemas and FIR sauna.
I have Welchol on hand in case I get a bad herx, but haven't had to use it yet.
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If you don't want to go to the Doctor you can buy Azo Test Strips if you want to test your urine yourself.
I have found them to be pretty accurate. You can buy them at any drug store and most Wal marts.
Can't hurt to check.. the smelly urine would be my concern. Are you having pain in your back or is it just the front Liver area?
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I was having pain in my lower back when it first started.
But honestly I can only conclude that it's caused by Lyme and Co's (or parasites)
There's nothing I'm fundamentally doing wrong to harm my kidneys. (I drink tons of water and eat good proportion protein)
But for sake of the topic let's say there were issues with my kidneys - it has to be caused by Lyme, Co, parasites. And I'm treating all 3
*shrugs shoulders*
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You don't have to be doing anything wrong to get a kidney infection.
Drinking lots of water is good but doesn't always ensure the prevention of a kidney/Urinary infections. Could very well be due to your Lyme and or Co's but sometimes I think we have to be careful not to blame everything on the Lyme.
A few months ago I thought I had a urinary problem do to my Bart and it took me months of suffering to find out it had nothing to do with it Juli
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Yes but how do you know it wasn't caused by Bart or Lyme? : )
I get your point though - and I'm usually not so quick to blame everything on Lyme - but the fact of the matter is it's causing about 95% of my health problems lol
An easy target you could say.
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In my case I tested positive for a different bacteria other then Lyme or Co's.
Granted the Lyme/Co's can suppress the immunity and may have indirectly contributed to this other bacteria as I'm sure it did but once I dealt with that other bacteria I was completely better and haven't had the problem since!
Good Luck and hopefully you'll get to feeling better real soon!
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Thanks
Out of curiosity - what was the other bacteria you tested positive for?
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I'm not sure what the name of the bacteria was but the Doctor seen it under a microscope. Doc told me it was caused by the 5 1/2 months of abx's I was on months earlier.
I guess I knew this could happen but never experienced it before. That's the bad thing about abx's they kill the good bacteria also and it's not just the yeast we need to worry about.
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I started back with my Doug Coil yesterday going after Bart with 832Hz. I've decided to work on it for a while as I know I've been exposed to it and I can't handle the herx from 432Hz for Lyme.
I got my first "hit" while coiling during this session. When I placed the coil over my liver it reproduced a liver pain that comes and goes. Same exact pain.
I only did 5 minutes. Will continue to do daily sessions for a while and see how it goes.
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FWIW, I got my amalgams removed in the mid 80's and have chelated with various methods since. I am still sick and I think if I had it to do over again I would have spent the money/energy on a different approach.
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432 hit me pretty hard to in the beginning so I took it really slow and it is getting much better now.
I'm not so sure I could have handled a more powerful unit such as the Coil or MOPA in the beginning.
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I have XMRV on the CDs' used by Dr. K. can be used in sound or with ART or muscle testing.
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April 5th, 2011 2:00 PM: This was my 70th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Today I'm switching up therapies since I'm actually going backwards and not seeing any further results with the Lyme_4 routine or the Harmonic routine of 306, 612, 920. Today I'll be going after Bartonella Species.
1: Purpose: Kill Bartonella Species
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 357, 2: 832, 3: 1518
1: Dose: 10 min each
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration:48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, 20 dp of each x 1.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
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Does anyone have any suggestions for using the Doug Coil, running 832Hz @ 12 amps for Bart? I am currently keeping the coil only on my abdomen for 5 minutes.
What about moving it to other areas, frequency of treatment or other useful treatments for Bart?
Thanks
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I'd run it at 13 AMPS
and after 5 mins on gut do 2 mins 12 different spots...
feet, shins, knees, thighs, hips (rt & lt), low back, mid back, upper back, neck, shoulders (rt & lt)
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Hi All,I would appreciate it if someone can give me numbers for overall viruses. Eyes hurting & hard to search here. I have EMEM 5A. Thanks 4 help. Posts: 905 | From Santa Cruz,Calif | Registered: Aug 2005
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Thanks Cane, I'll give that a try. Now I understand why your treatments run 29 minutes.
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GB 4000 w/amp and shortly adding the MOPA to finish the job
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cane, a very high percent of urinary infections are e-coli. I got a urinary track infection when I was on rifampin for over 2 mths.
This is what I learned about how this could happen...ex: you're taking rifampin to control bart bacteria.
Rifampin gets the bart attention and starts to kill off some of that bacteria. All of a sudden E-coli decides it's in control and it takes over.
Now I recognize the urine smells, lower back ache and into hip and I use my rife several times on E-coli freqs and within a few days smell and pain are gone.
The abx my Gyno gave me for UTI caused me to break out in a total body rash. So I decided to try treating with my rife machine.
It's happened about 3 times in the last year with me. I don't know who this E-coli dude thinks he is, but I can knock him for a loop. lol
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Lol @ Pam (E Coli dude)
What freq did you run? I'd like to run one that hits others as well.
I see 800 is a common E Coli freq (I like the idea of that because it hits EBV & bart as well)
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: Metallic,
That's pretty good that you can ride the bike that long, do pushups.situps.pullups @ 35% function.
Keep at it!
It's very hard. I give everything to just waking up, sweeping my kitchen, feeding/cleaning up cats, washing dishes, doing my therapy (taking meds, Rife) and then riding the bike each day to keep my heart and lower muscles strong.
Increasing my training with the other things is really pushing it to the max. Now I'll do easy days in 48 hours, and then if I'm fortunate, I can do a medium training day in 96hrs.
Sleep is awful, I wake up over and over. The fatigue is crushing but it's not the type of fatigue that it used to be where just getting up to use the bathroom would destroy me. It's the type of fatigue that is suppressive and wears you out over a few hours.
It almost reminds me of the fatigue that comes with depression. You have to really force yourself to move, to perform activities, etc. A lot of it is psychological because the energy level is so borderline.
A good night sleep could increase my health up to 45% if it was perfect. That would be substantial.
If I did just one or two more reps beyond what I carefully plan, I'd pass out or get awfully sick. That's how borderline everything is in my life. The neurological symptoms, sleep, and fatigue are all it takes to disable me down to that 35%.
A lot of people say "Oh well if you can do that, that's more than most normal people can do."
That's not a compliment, that's comparing me to a society that doesn't take care of themselves on average. Every single healthy human being should easily be able to ride a bike at a moderate pace each day, and do what I do. It should literally be "easy." I work my ass off to do it, but for someone healthy, if they were to follow my training and methods, they could do 10 times more than me if they took the time. Like other people on this site, some ran triathalons, marathons, track, bodybuilding, -- many of us were very serious about taking care of our bodies as well as competing. I could never do that.
If I forced myself to sustain a low to moderate level of physical activity each day, including driving, walking outside, working - the inflammation would gradually erode my muscles, guts, and nervous system and I'd end up in the ER like I used to.
Everything has to be done in a very controlled measured manner. I also have to be totally in control. I couldn't wake up everyday at the same time to do it. For example, it's 2 a.m. right now and I can't sleep, even with high doses of sleep aids.
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Ya I'm with ya.
In my opinion it sounds as though babs and bart are major players for you.
I've been through that sleep spell you speak of & it wasn't until recently coil'ing for Bart did I (for the first time in 10yrs or so!) sleep 7-8 straight hours without waking up once.
I can't wait for you to get your Coil in the mail.
Let us know when you do
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Metallic,
Are you taking Eleuthero (Eleutherococcus, Siberian ginseng) for energy? How about D-ribose, carnitine, and carnosine? CoQ10?
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Cane, wait till you see my e-coli dude info. lol E-coli came preprogrammed on my Beam Ray rife. This is the program I use.
I will tell you it's set up to pulse on some of these freqs, but also to sweep 2 on some and both sweep & pulse on some. I'm not including that info, but if someone wants it I will.
22, 176, 250, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8001, 16002
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How long do you run these for and how often? I'll give these freqs a try next time I feel a infection coming on.
MB,
Believing you'll get better results once you get your coil machine! I was very sick to and I am feeling great these days. My MOPA is coming Friday
Hopefully, your machine will arrive soon!
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: Metallic,
Are you taking Eleuthero (Eleutherococcus, Siberian ginseng) for energy? How about D-ribose, carnitine, and carnosine? CoQ10?
I've tried quite a lot of things under the care of Dr. H when I was in NY. I also did the D-Ribose recently, as well as Siberian Ginseng.
Nothing removes the type of fatigue I have, rather instead I just get anxious. Something in the nervous system is causing the problem I think rather than an actual lack of stimulation. Stimulants of all kinds just make me feel sick, whether natural, gentle, or synthetic.
I'm going to try to come off the Bupropion to see if sleep improves. Chances are energy will decline with it, but I want to see what happens.
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April 7th, 2011 2:00 PM: This was my 71st Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. After treating Bartonella 48 hrs ago, I had no response, so I'm trying a frequency recommended by John Stoller. He told me one of the most powerful frequencies he's seen used in non-responders was 790hz. I looked it up on the CAFL, and here is what it attacks. 1: ALS_1, 2: ALS_5, 3: Alzheimers_TR, 4: Cancer_prostate, 5: Lyme_1, 6: Lyme_2, 7: Lyme_tertiary, 8: Mycoplasma_fermentans, 9: Mycoplasma_general, 10: Viral_complex_TR
1: Purpose: Non-Respondive Unknown Infection
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 790
1: Dose: 30 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration:48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
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First off, i'd like to thank everyone for their input/knowledge in this thread.
I've been dealing with lyme for 2.5/3 years (probably had it since i was a kid).2 LLMDS, 3828282 pills later, thousands of dollars later..i'm better but have mainly neuro sx and relapse evenutally. I decided to go the alternative route.
Decided on herbs or rife..but chose rife first because of stomach issues,cost, and the fact that there are one too many herbal protocols for me to choose one.
Ordered a machine from DT and got it in the mail yesterday. I plan on rifing tonight with the 612 or 432 frequency. What's a decent length to run? I dont want to over or under do it. Instructions say 2 minutes and I've read as little as 15 seconds on here.
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I would go one minute, just to be safe.
Wait a couple of days before you try again. You will get a feel for what you can handle in a short time.
If you have no active Lyme currently, it will not do much, but you will not know until you fire it up.
Let us know how it works out for you.
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It depends on how much you have your Lyme load down.
When I started out 10 seconds made me herx but I forced 1 min. Some people can take more some even less.
It is good to do one freq at a time so you know which one you are reacting to and how it effects you. I journal all my sessions.
With Lyme my reactions have always been delayed by 24 hours and as I go even more. Reactions were pretty bad for me in the beginning so I have learned to start with lower times and work up.
I'm now running 5 mins rifing Lyme freqs but my improvements came very quickly once the herxing stopped. I feel wonderful and I am amazed how well rifing has worked for me.
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You beat me to it! (answering the above post) We must of been typing at the same time. Lol!
Got my Tube yesterday now waiting for the MOPA to come tomorrow!
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Update on Bart:
I still run 832 (29min) twice a day. I started 842 (5min) 2 days ago and felt very crappy for 2 days. Much stronger reaction than 832 gave me.
Did I CE this morning and now feel really good.
I'm going to wait a few days (since I work fri & sat) and run 842 again.
Bart is a tough booger to eradicate and my early impression is that 832 won't do it alone.
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I have not got the MOPA back yet. I sent it in to be updated. I hope it shows up pretty soon.
It makes me nervous not having it around, but she is doing fine without treatment so far. A few bouts of ankle pain, but not any other symptoms.
It takes time, and some experimentation to figure out what is causing problems, and how best to treat it, but I think many people can get to the same point we are at now.
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I use the higher harmonics of 357 and 832 when treating Bart. I reacted strongly to 357 and 832 was no picnic.
I haven't searched for other Bart freqs because I am getting such good results using just these two.
I'm up to 6 mins now with no herxing. I never thought I could say that. I know that's not much rifing time for many of you but it is for me.
Dan, I hope you get your MOPA back VERY soon it will be interesting to hear how Cindy does/feels with that 3.3 carrier freq. (I think that's what you called it)
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