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Haley
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Would you remind me what type of mask to buy?

I need to buy some masks. I know that there is a post on it, but have no idea where it is.

Also, how many hours does the concentrator go before it starts to go out?

Thanks

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Haley...

It is called a "Simple Hudson Mask". (NOT a non-rebreather with a bag).

Here is a link:
https://www.amazon.com/Hudson-Medium-Concentration-Oxygen-Tubing/dp/B0015TCVB6/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1477886445&sr=8-1&keywords=hudson+mask

Quality oxygen concentrators can go 10's of thousands of hours. They should be checked yearly just to make sure they are putting out normal 02 and pressure.

Usually, an oxygen supply/repair will do a check for free if you bring the unit to them (call first to make sure they can do it while you wait, so you won't be without your concentrator).

Are you having issues with your concentrator?

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Thank you Phoiph.
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Is anyone having tooth pain? I am having excruciating pain in one of my root canal teeth. I have had pain in other teeth as well. While researching I noticed there is an entire specialty called aviation dentistry. Apparently, pressure on the teeth can cause cracks and other issues. I think I'm going to have to have a large molar pulled. Yikes. Any help appreciated.
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Omgosh Haley, I just had a dentist visit yesterday and was told I might have a crack in one of my molars.. the same tooth that was giving me excruciating pain a couple months ago... also the same tooth that has a tiny amalgam filling I am going to have taken out early next year....

My experience has been that I get awful migrating nerve pain and pressure moving around teeth gums jaw that becomes excruciating while I'm in the chamber.

...help?

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OMG Spinning. That is crazy.

Unfortunately, I have about 8 root canals, one of them done for no reason. I was having pain in a filling and the dentist did a root canal.

My entire face hurts. It's also my sinus and my ear. I'm not sure what to do.

So heads up for anyone with fillings or root canals, pay attention to any pain you have.

Spinning - Does your molar have a filling in it?

[ 11-02-2016, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Haley ]

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Here is a link about teeth and diving for anyone interested:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1834-7819.2011.01340.x/full

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Yes Haley, the molar (that might have a crack in it) has a small amalgam filling in it from about 20yrs ago :-(

Thanks for the link above. Ugh this dental and parasite situation is driving me up the wall. I honestly think I would be healed by now if it weren't for these issues...

Phoiph... I would love to talk to you on the phone whenever you are free!

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Haley, I would encourage you to be in contact with your dentist about your face, sinus and ear pain. I look at pain as a warning sign. Please heed it.

I actually have a tooth right now that probably will end up with a root canal. But it seems that diving is keeping it calm at this point.

I have a lot of cracked teeth, especially molars. But I grind and clench my teeth. Have for years. And it was years before anyone suggested a mouth/teeth guard. So I did quite a bit of damage before I started using one.

Thank you for posting the dental article. The article does not indicate the depth of the diving that was being studied. But I bet it is deeper than our 9 feet below the surface that mHBO represents. So I am not sure it is applicable or not. It will be interesting to hear Phoiph's opinion on it.

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Hi Phoiph,Peimomma, Haley and all Mhbot warriors! It is so good to continue to see so much progress made here! Forgive me as my work life as a college consultant went nuts after I finally got over a 4 plus week virus that had me very congested- my chamber has been waiting on me and I've decided it's time- things are beginning to calm down. My rife has kept things doable; however, not to a place where I am happy being- but thankfully, doable! I want to profoundly thank you all for your help- Phoiph and Peimomma especially! You both are angels on this earth! I will be in touch soon Phoiph to get started [Smile] . Thank you so much for bearing with me! Hugs!
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Spinning, glad things are leveling out for you and getting back on the right track. Does the mepron continue to be helping?Thanks for sharing Koco800.

Yay Peimomma and Digby, glad you two are doing so well.

Haley, thanks for sharing the article about teeth. I also have tooth pain that comes and goes in a molar with a large filling in it. Was surprised to see that article, but makes sense and good info to have.

Excited to see you here Me and willbeatthis!

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Haley and I spoke, and she is going to have her pain evaluated by a biological dentist. It will be good to know the results.

The only cautionary information I have ever come across about dental issues and hyperbaric, is that it is a good idea to wait 24 hours after restoration work before diving in the rare instance that any air is trapped under a filling.

The report cited above does mention issues reported by scuba divers at depths of 33-80 feet (which equals 1.97 - 3.36 ATA; we dive at approximately 11 feet, or 1.3 ATA) , and experiments in vitro on crowns, etc. at 3 ATM (which equals 4 ATA; and we dive at 1.3 ATA). So, there is quite a difference there in terms of depth and pressure.

Unfortunately, chronic illness, especially when it involves nutritional deficiencies and acidity (due to malabsorption, etc.),can generally weaken teeth, as the body will pull minerals from the teeth and bones to maintain homeostasis in the blood, etc.

Maybe this, plus other factors (e.g., quality & age of previous restorations, etc.) makes certain people more vulnerable...I don't think this has been researched.

As usual, we're pioneers in this...so Haley...please give us an update when you can...

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Hi Haley and all: When I was in Germany doing aggressive photon treatment- I had terrible molar pain to the point where after treatment I was up all night and went to a German dentist that couldn't find anything wrong. I then got back to clinic to tell my doc and he had me direct photons to that area and said something to the effect of Lyme liking teeth and the jaw. His thought was die off. It did resolve. I thought I'd add this in the event it may help someone. I think the advice from Phoiph is the way to go - covering bases. Looking forward to joining you all! Hang in there Haley!

Me- are you one of Dr. J in DCs patients- he was my first Lyme doc. I'm glad to hear he supports mhbot! Hope you are feeling better!

Peimomma- I pray your move is going great! Look forward to your being all settled in your new sunny home! Hugs!

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Spinning- have you tried a zapper or rife for parasites- Haley too? That's something photons didn't do either and I use a zapper every day as well as hit them with rife when they show up via zyto scan. Trust me, if I wasn't doing pretty darn well, I would not subject myself to these other means- daily for the most part! Feel free to message me if I can answer questions. No doubt there are many pieces... thank you all- especially Phioph for the knowledge and support given and shared here. Hugs!
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I haven't read through this entire thread, so someone may have already made this suggestion concerning Hyperbaric Chamber treatment; I highly recommend the HBO clinic in Chico, California (assuming it's still active).
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Welcome, lymedad...

Thanks...good to know.

Most of us here are using home chambers, as it is much more cost effective in the long run for daily, long term treatment

That said, some people do elect to do a number of sessions in a clinic initially to make sure they can tolerate the treatment before investing in a home chamber...so good to have an endorsement.

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Thanks Jolley! I'm actually not doing Mepron, I took it years ago and it didn't help. I was taking some Crypto for a few months but my Babesia is no longer bothering me atm so I am not on any herbs or abx. Just oxidative therapies and binders (which help a lot!!!!) while I plan my next move...

Willbeatthis, thanks for the input [Smile] I have not tried a zapper but I read somewhere that it only agitates the parasites... I do have a violet ray now that I want to test out, after I get my amalgam filling out...

I do think the teeth and jaw facial skull pain business has to do with toxins and/or die off. I can control it as long as I swish with binders as weird as that sounds...

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Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

I wanted to share an article I came across today. It lists the top 10 songs that a study found to reduce anxiety up to 65%.

The author also created a free 50 minute playlist that can be downloaded.

If you are able to listen to music (I couldn't), I thought this might be a good arrangement to play while in the chamber...

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1DUBii/:1CeUWdu@C:U-HhBcOA/www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/neuroscience-says-listening-to-this-one-song-reduces-anxiety-by-up-to-65-percent.html

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Thanks, Phoiph! I hope you and all of the MHBOT warriors had a great Thanksgiving! I think this playlist will be very helpful. Looking forward to connecting Phoiph when it works for you!

Spinning-I have had great success with a zapper for parasites. I work with someone that scans me and so far, so good. I've come a long way and it seems all of the modalities I've used have helped. I'm just hoping beyond hope- mhbot will be the most helpful piece and I can get back to living fully! Peimomma- I hope your move has gone well! And Jolley- I hope your doc is figuring out if there is a heavy metals piece. Haley- I hope your tooth pain has resolved as I know that has to be very disconcerting. Hugs to all!

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Greetings mHBOTers

I arrived in AZ 31 Oct and have been a very busy bee to include interviewing for a job. We drove in a Penske 26ft truck for 3 days and then began a week long unpacking and decorating party at the new house. I survived it all with no issues.

Now for the great news

********I'm going back to work********

Yes, I got offered a job last Wednesday and should be starting in the next 2 weeks after sorting out all the paperwork. It's a GOV job so there is lots of paperwork:)

Completed 693 dives to date.

Will make a video in the next week with my updates and still on track to do labs this spring with my doctor in WA and report back.

I did get my labs tested for hormones a few weeks ago and was very very very low on testosterone, about half of what I should be for B12 and Vit D3 and slightly low for estrogen and progesterone. I decided to go with the BHRT testosterone pellet and it has definitely made a difference in the moods. I'm rechecking those levels in 2 weeks to see where they all stand and make adjustments.

Life is Great!!

I love you Phoiph and mHBOT:)

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Yay Peimomma, that is so wonderful! New house, new job, wow, you burst through the other side of this thing. So happy for you.
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Awwww...BIG congratulations, Peimomma...SO very happy for you!!!

Also, many thanks for contributing to "the cause" by sharing all your videos and lab results with us...it is such valuable information.

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Congratulations, Peimomma! Great things are going on. You give us all hope. Thank you
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Hello, all -

It has been quite some time since I last posted here, but Phoiph asked if I would share the update for my husband, Mofarmer.

Mofarmer has been ill with tick disease for 12-14 years - but has really gone downhill healthwise in the last 3 years.

He was finally diagnosed with Masters disease (the Midwest equivalent of Lyme) in September 2015. After rounds of antibiotics (with very little gain), we decided to go the mild hyperbaric route, with coaching from Phoiph.

Mofarmer has now completed 138 dives (on his way to 730 - the total for 2 solid years of diving), and is definitely making progress.

One encouraging sign - the slow but steady return of his personality. Mofarmer was an energetic, full of life, quick to laugh person before the tick disease robbed him of his ability to think and interact well with others. Over the years, he drifted into "yes" and "no" as his primary conversation, as he was self-conscious about slurring his words, or trying to talk through the brain fog (with no success).

This year, for the first in several, he is excited and pleased about Christmas, participating in Christmas activities and thinking about/buying gifts. As his caregiver, I feel like I'm having my Christmas right now just seeing him come back to life and to me.

We give the hyperbaric chamber all the credit - and it is truly creating results! At a recent doctor visit, we were astonished when his red blood count, white blood count and platelets all came back in the NORMAL range! Literally, it has been years since that last occurred - he is definitely healing internally.

Phoiph asked me to share this good news with you - because I read this forum every day, and search for things that cheer me up on bad days, and encourage us to continue on the long path. There is hope, and there can be progress.

Mofarmer and I wish you all the very best for Christmas, and the hope of "BETTER!" for us all for 2017!

Mofarmerswife

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Congratulations Mofarmer for your re-entry into life again. Isn't it wonderful.

So happy for both of you. mHBOT has given me back my life and I know it will for others if they commit to Phoip's treatment plan.

I start full time work on January 9th, my first job in 4 years.

Merry Christmas

What a wonderful gift to have your husband coming back to life💚

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mofarmerswife...

Thank you for sharing...:) It is a gift for all of us!

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Mofarmerswife...thanks for sharing your success.

There is getting to be quite a few of us that are seeing benefits. It is hard to hang in there for the long term but well worth it.

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Mofarmerswife, thank you for sharing. Kudos to Mofarmer. I am thrilled for you both!
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Congratulations! Thank you so much for sharing!!!

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Just sharing my experiences, opinions, and what I've read and learned. Not medical advice.

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Hello every one I am wondering if I will get any benefit from mild hboc because I live at 6400 feet elevation.

Anyone with knowledge or experience?

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Hi dan67...

As you know, as you increase in altitude, you decrease in atmospheric pressure.

Home chambers (originally portable "Gamow bags") were designed to treat altitude sickness for mountain climbers by increasing the pressure inside just enough to reduce the relative altitude by a few thousand feet in an emergency situation (not necessarily to bring the pressure down to sea level or below).

If I am calculating correctly, in a home chamber that reaches 4.2 psi/1.3 ATA (atmospheres absolute) at sea level, you will reach only 0.95 psi/1.064 ATA at 6400 feet (a loss of approximately .5 psi per 1000 feet of altitude gain).

Since 1.0 atmosphere of the 1.064 ATA includes the 1.0 of natural atmospheric pressure at sea level, you would actually only be reaching a fraction of pressure above sea level (.064 ATM) using a home chamber at 6400 feet.

Although this would be more pressure than your body is used to, and combined with supplemental 02 may still signal some healing reactions, I would not count on this being enough pressure to be totally effective for treating Lyme/chronic illness.

Hard chambers can adjust the pressure higher to compensate for altitude, while still treating with mild pressure. Unfortunately, it is not affordable for most to do long-term mHBOT in a clinical setting.

Any chance you could move to a lower altitude?

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Phoiph,

You are so damn smart!

Could dan67 use the OxyHealth Quamvis with the outer jacket?

It's designed to go to a higher pressure with the jacket and high pressure valves. It's still expensive but not like the hard shell chambers.

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Haha Digby...I consider that high praise considering I'm always asking you the tough questions...LOL

Yes...I PM'd dan67 about the Quamvis. It is a soft/home mHBOT chamber (more often used by practitioners) that is rated for higher (mild) pressures.

That said, the manufacturer is still required to state that it is against FDA regulations to sell/raise the pressure of any home chamber higher than 1.3 ATA, and that doing so by the consumer will void the warranty.

In the past, other entities sold "pressure kits" which included release valves that could be interchanged so the pressure could be raised. These entities were warned by the FDA, and required to stop selling the kits (although it is likely still being done).

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Today was dive number 600! That is over 2 years, so it's obvious that I missed quite a bit.

Most of my missing dives were due to hospital visits, surgeries and an accident. The latest was because of a vacation. How cool is that?

I haven't had a vacation in almost 30 years. I hope to miss more dives due to vacations in the near future.

Hang in there folks. It takes a long time with setbacks along the way but it is worth it!

Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to all.

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Merry Christmas Digby

And congratulations on your new level of health.

This therapy is definitely worth the time and commitment it takes to see the results.

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Years ago, a doc in Sarasota claimed HBOT *AND* (along with) Pycnogenol (1mg per pound of body weight) per day could heal Lyme disease.

I've recently been researching Pynogenol - again! You may find the following interesting (I hope).

We know Bb makes use of Mn-SOD - an antioxidant enzyme. It is manganese superoxide dismutase. It helps superoxide (a dangerous free radical) become H2O2 (a little less dangerous free radical).

Bb and HIV may contain similar proteins that impact Mn-SOD levels.

First, this is what Pycnogenol does:

Prominent biochemical alterations

induced by PYC (pycnogenol) were the

***elevated expression of an intracellular antioxidant protein, manganese superoxide dismutase (Mn-SOD),***

and the inhibition of phosphorylation of the ribosomal S6 protein.

Interestingly, ectopic expression of Mn-SOD

inhibited HIV-1 replication as well.

Inhibition of HIV-1 replication associated with induced expression of Mn-SOD in cells treated with PYC suggests the potential of this natural antioxidant inducer as a’

new anti-HIV-1 agent.

PMID:18653969

HIV has a "TAT" protein. TAT means transactivator of transcription. HeLa cells are cancerous cells that can contain HIV (virus). We know - I posted a long time ago - that Bb also can lock onto and even invade HeLa (cancer) cells.

Look at what the TAT protein triggers:


This study demonstrates that human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) Tat protein

amplifies the activity of tumor necrosis factor (TNF), a cytokine that

stimulates HIV-1 replication through

activation of NF-kappa B.

In HeLa cells stably transfected with the HIV-1 tat gene (HeLa-tat cells), expression of the Tat protein enhanced both TNF-induced activation of NF-kappa B and TNF-mediated cytotoxicity…

In both T cells and HeLa cells

HIV-1 Tat ***suppressed the expression of Mn-dependent superoxide dismutase (Mn-SOD), a mitochondrial enzyme that is part of the cellular defense system against oxidative stress.***

Thus, Mn-SOD RNA protein levels and activity were markedly ***reduced in the presence of Tat***

Decreased Mn-SOD expression was associated with decreased levels of glutathione and a lower ratio of reduced:oxidized glutathione.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7859743

Similar protein in Bb:

One intriguing possibility that remains to be explored is that perhaps BB0250 somehow substitutes for a functional Tat pathway in B. burgdorferi.

http://jb.asm.org/content/192/23/6105.full

Tat stimulates HIV-1 gene expression ***during transcription initiation and elongation***

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3879180/

Does Bb’s TAT-like protein * suppress* Mn-SOD -> beginning of cellular destruction -> increased nutrients for Bb to use to replicate?

Mitochondrial ***MnSOD-deficient*** cells exhibit decreased oxygen consumption and increased O2•− production, suggesting a key role in the response to pathological stressors.

For example, in response to acute alcohol binge in mice,

MnSOD overexpression prevents,

and ***MnSOD deficiency exacerbates,***

NOS expression, plasma nitrites/nitrates, nitration of complex I and V proteins, and

***mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) depletion.***

In a transgenic Alzheimer's disease mouse, MnSOD *overexpression* led to

increased catalase protein levels,

decreased total oxidized proteins and amyloid burden,

and improved spatial memory.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3258656/

(Catalase is another protective antioxidant.)

Personally, I'd try HBOT daily AND take 1mg per pound of body weight also.

(If you weigh 150 pounds, you would take 150mg of Pycnogenol, for example. That dose is considered safe and is used in many trials. It looks like Pycnogenol alone helps many persons with other medical problems in about 3 months/12 weeks time.)

Restoring Mn-SOD levels in our immune T cells is a way to support their function which is clearing the infection WHILE preventing injury to self (loss of mitochondrial DNA).

Near me in FL...MILD (!) hyperbaric treatments are available.

ALWAYS take probiotics.

Where there's a will, there IS a way.

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Hmmm Marnie, VERY interesting!! Thanks so much for sharing!

I have been majorly studying L-arginine and its effects. I read that taking an antioxidant along with l-arginine and l citrulline is very helpful in maintain the endothelial cycle that is broken in people with babesia. (and other diseases)

Since hyperbaric produced nitric oxide as well, I really wonder if taking an antioxidant wouldn't enhance the effects?!

I say this because from what I read, antioxidants don't negate Nitric Oxide, rather they support it.

So weird, because I always thought they were at odds with each other.

If anyone want to put me straight or have something to add, I am open minded! [Smile]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjso8SYmJPRAhUk4IMKHQLDBTYQFghlMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2F171776 23&usg=AFQjCNE7KVFtdlClDLwLOTaS7C2CkoFuPA&sig2=gJcdzXnDE1pQV-yYtmWwrA

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2oaLAmJPRAhVC5YMKHVTpB5cQFggaMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcircres.ahajournals.org%2Fcontent%2Fcirc resaha%2F92%2F1%2F88.full.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGKUvsRMXqcqdbsI5XsFDbPPrOxtQ&sig2=ah5_mRnaT-ZEqv0NAhmRwQ

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Here is another oddity!

"HBOT not only

increased antioxidant enzyme expression,

such as Cu/Zn-superoxide dismutase, catalase, and glutathione peroxidase, but also significantly decreased pro-oxidant enzyme levels, such as iNOS and gp91-phox, thereby

***decreasing net oxygen radical production
by means of negative feedback.***

Furthermore, HBOT decreased the expression of several MMPs while simultaneously increasing tissue inhibitor of MMP (tissue inhibitor of metalloproteinase)."

http://tinyurl.com/zuewcn6

Metalloproteinases cleave (chop apart) proteins…such as those that are precursors to the Vitamin D binding protein…uhm…GCMAF…

HBOT and Pycnogenol look to act in synergy.

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Thanks Marnie! Can you look at my thread on l arginine?

I would like your intelligent opinion on this! I am very interested in Nitric Oxide and its effect on infections and immunity...

BTW l arginine is way more effective when used in tandem with pycnogenol. hyperbaric oxygen and l arginine are similar so I am not surprised they like each other! [Smile]

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That information is very interesting...also in Florida)

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I have always been hesitant to supplement with l arginine because of its impact on viruses. I have been supplementing with l Lysine for years to suppress viruses. I would encourage you to do some research on l arginine and viruses before you add it to your regimine.
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I agree with kgg...be sure to do your research on the impact of l-arginine on reactivation of herpes viruses, including Epstein Barr.

Other possible concerns I have regarding the combination of L-arginine supplementation (outside of dietary sources) and mHBOT/HBOT is that mHBOT has a vasoconstrictive effect (initial) during treatment. This effect serves to reduce inflammation throughout the body, while oxygen is infused into the tissues.

L-arginine is a vasodilator. It is unknown if this would affect the positive anti-inflammatory effect of mHBOT, or would result in a possible stalemate.

Also, because of the vasodilation effect, the dose of oxygen delivery may also be altered/increased, which could have an unknown effect on sensitive individuals.

In addition, be aware that both mHBOT and L-arginine lower blood sugar. It is unknown if this could have a concomitant effect, and what the effect on an individual might be.

Since mHBOT/HBOT alone increases Nitric Oxide levels in the brain, I would (and did) only supplement with dietary sources. High dietary sources of L-arginine include, cage-free eggs, cultured goat yogurt/kefir, grass-fed beef, pasture-raised poultry (including turkey and chicken, liver and organ meats, wild-caught fish, sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, seaweed and sea vegetables, spirulina, brazil nuts, walnuts, almonds, coconut meat.

I am of the camp of "more is not always better" when it comes to dosing, and am more interested in what can be removed and simplified in a mHBOT protocol, rather than added, as this is how I became well. In retrospect, I believe it worked to my advantage to have become too ill to tolerate medications/supplements, otherwise I would never known what actually got me well.

Foxy...I am not trying to discourage you from researching and doing what you feel is right for your body. I just know from your other posts that you are taking a lot of drugs and supplements. Remember that healing the gut is a non-negotiable part of becoming well. IMO, it is important to not lose sight of this, as sometimes, "less can be more" when it comes to allowing our bodies to heal.

It astounded me that in my case, the answer turned out to be a very basic protocol, when I had been searching, analyzing, and overthinking things (with a very impaired brain) for so many years.

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Can people comment on Babesia and Mhbot? I have observed with some clarity that my Babesia gets re-activated when I increase oxygen therapies.
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Dan67, Can you please elaborate on your comment that you have observed with clarity that mHBOT reactivates babesia? I am very interested in this topic.

I am having a significant babesia relapse, and it happened after I started mHBOT. However, I went up on time waaaay to quickly ( my own fault), even though people warned me, in a sprint to feel well. I stopped mHBOT for now.

Have you observed this personally, do you have info on other people experiencing this, or do you have any other info regarding mHBOT reactivating babesia?

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It didn't happen from mHBOT for me. It has happened with other oxygenating therapies such as breathing pure oxygen without pressure, and intense aerobic exercise. I can't claim for certain that it is a cause and effect relationship, but I would state it at 90% certainty.

With mHBOT, though, maybe the Babesia "coming out" of hiding is necessary to get well? Maybe it is a part of the process? If it is always right there under the surface ready to relapse, that's also not good or sustainable. I'm speculating here...

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Thanks so much for that info Phoiph! That was very helpful... but very disheartening. I was hoping they would work well in tandem. I am not sure what to do....

Dan67 and Me, I am 100 percent sure of this. After I started mild hyperbaric my Babesia symptoms become predominately worse.

In fact, after only a half an hour the first time in my tank, I suffered the next few days, with very suspiciously babesia style symptoms.

I never had air hunger before and months after hyperbaric, developed this.

I have been doing mHBOT for over a year now. I have dived as consistent as can be.

I am off antibiotics, but I am not sure they were ever doing me any good anyway.

I must admit, I am becoming discouraged with mHBoT. I have increased it after many months of one hour to two hours and have felt zero change.

I am not saying the mHBOT feeds babesia or anything like that. I have no proof. All I know is that I have heard several people say their babesia got worse on it for whatever reason. Somehow, I don't think the "coming out" of new symptoms is a good thing! but maybe...

I am currently on a stout antibabesial regimen and it appears to be doing very little. I sometimes wonder if the mHBOT is inhibiting progress.

I will say that my head does feel "funny" in the tank at times. (it feels strange and gross all the time but....) Once when I had a bit of a cold sticking in me and when I deflated I had a spell where it felt like my brain froze and I couldn't think at all.

Also, sometimes I can feel the blood pounding in my skull, almost like a blood pressure problem. (this doesn't happen in the tank, but like when I get up, or drink water.)

I also know that my blood is very thick and my veins are small. SOmetimes when my head feels really bad and I shake it like an etch a sketch, it seems to help... (while it is in motion) I guess that made me bark up the arginine tree.

Now, that I have been taking arginine, I have had a mild headache for about six days. My air hunger is worse. My head feels really thick" and "full of blood" today.

Last night, it took a while to sleep, and usually I'm so exhausted I feel narcoleptic.

The Arginine has DEFINITELY done something. I just can't tell if it is for the good or not. UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHG this disease is SO frustrating!

Phoiph, I KNOW that you would love to see me go off medications. Who knows. I guess if they aren't doing much, maybe I will!

To be honest, I don't really know WHAT to do anymore.

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Maybe mild hyperbaric makes babesia worse in SOME PEOPLE but not others. Maybe it's the strain, or genetics, or immunity. Who knows. But it does seem like it only does it in SOME cases.

Maybe ozone therapy would be another oxidative therapy that would NOT make babs worse. Not sure.

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=24&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj59qjw9pfRAhUP24MKHYlxDjg4FBAWCDMwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgtuem.praesentiert-ihnen.de%2Ftools% 2Fliteraturdb%2Fproject2%2Fpdf%2FBitterman%2520N.%2520-%2520EUBS%25201994%2520-%2520S.%252067.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGsf-CpVpNKv-U1KLXBmOlf_jmwJg&sig2=5l-hhBZQRkZjK2v-ZpKkoQ

Well, I guess it won't give me seizures! I was worried the most about that, like a possible overdose of nitric oxide, but it looks like it has protective properties.

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Thank you, Dan67. I know some people with babesia have had success with mHBOT and others feel like it caused a flare of some kind. As for me, I'm currently laying off of it bc I think my medicine regimen is too intense to combine it right now. I wish I would have increased the mHBOT time at a slower pace . . . I was forewarned. Silly me. Sigh.

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me...I am on Dive #244 as of today...it took me 2 months to advance to 1 hour per day with the 02.

My Cardiologist mentioned the heart monitor was positive with small signs of extra beats....this happened mostly during the first 2 months?

These situations occurred while I tried to jump right in with mhbot....1 hour...sometimes an extra 30 minutes at the end of the day...WOW...did I pay the price (Phioph warned me,lol)

Looking back,after all the drugs and herbals and so on....I wish I stayed the course,1 hour per day...let my body do it's job.

I wish you all a Happy New Year and wellness for all)

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