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Hobo, I would suggest you go to their website and contact them asking your question about Dysbiosis. Their products are usually first class and maybe they can suggest and send you a test sample or samples that may be right for you. Then you have a chance to use a pendulum or tensor!! Or just take a drop of the sample when you feel you are having a day where you need it. Sorry and glad at the same time that I am not bothered by Dysbiosis and can't answer you. But I am also certain at the same time that once you get your dysregulations corrected, all of them, which may take more time, that Dysbiosis may correct itself also. Don't forget that the body has to also heal gut/tissue, etc. and that will take a bit more time than just doing the corrections with the drops. That "damage" did not happen overnight and will take some time to heal. I am sure you can heal if you stick with doing the right thing.
All the best to you, Hobo.
P.S. Yes, about that book, maybe once I have nothing else left to do, I will get to that. Friends suggested that also. Right now, if just one person got better or was helped, that is all I want.
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Hi -- I start Round #6 today. Round #5 has knocked me for a loop with flaring symptoms, emotionality, fatigue and rashes. It's been rugged.
So, I have been trying to increase my consumption of binders. But need some advice on when to take minerals and vitamins.
I start the day with a fruit smoothie with apple pectin. two hours later I take chlorella; I take chlorella before dinner too. I take charcoal before bedtime.
So when should I fit in my minerals, resveratrol and vitamin D3?
Also, will the AI drops be affected if taken too close to binders?
Best to everyone,
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Wiser, Have you been able to work with your tenser yet? This would be helpful when figuring all this out? Contact me if you need some help. lp
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Minerals should be taken with meals - they're supposed to be in our food but probably not much there anymore.
I don't know about resveratrol but I take D3 after I eat breakfast.
Dr. A D's office told me chlorella won't grab up the good minerals the way charcoal and some other binders do.
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All I can tell you is what we do: Chewing food creates enzymes which are lacking in many people and smoothies therefore have never been a favorite for us. If your smoothies contain vitamin C, it will negate the effect of chlorella, especially if the digestion is slow. And chlorella is taken too close.
The first thing, half hour before breakfast. I would take chlorella, as many capsules or tablets you can take. Or chlorella powder in a liquid.
Then Breakfast with protein (the brain functions much better if it gets protein).With breakfast take vitamins and mineral supplements you think you need. If still very toxic, taking a lot of these concentrated things is not a good idea and Dr. K. is trying to get people away from doing that. But if you take them, they should be considered as food and taken with food.
Take more chlorella or other binders one half hour before lunch. Then lunch with supplments if needed.
The same 1/2 hour before dinner and supplements with foods.
We only take charcoal if really feeling bad (at bedtime). If feeling really bad, I would take them no matter when. Feeling bad accomplishes nothing. Otherwise before bedtime take as much chlorella and other binders that you like. I used to take quite a bit of betasitosterol at that time, either with more chlorella or not. Avoid constipation at all cost. Take teas and products that help things move.
The AI drops are not affected by anything because they are simply frequency information stored in water. There is no biochemical involved at all. We take one load in the morning, one 5 drop load in the afternoon, and one load in the evening.
Rashes are also a sign of overload and organs not able to eliminate. Consider colonics. Dr.K. would say get three in a row. Sometime that is the only way to get rid of the backlog. Do Chi machine or get lymphatic drainage. Now more important than ever. Trampoline if you can manage. Your body is mobilizing and you need to get active and help it out. It cannot do it on its own yet. That will come later once you start regulating better.
Testing oneself energetically is difficult when so unstable. I used to have open regulation one second and blocked the next, even under Dr. K.'s guidance. Am not sure I would depend on self-testing when things are as you describe. Tapping does not last in this situation. But you could still try to learn testing, any kind, and eventually it will help a lot if you do.
This text is from Dr.K. Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol available everywhere on the internet.
"Chlorella: Dosage: start with 1 gram (=4 tablets) 3-4 times/day. This is the standard maintenance dosage for grown ups for the 6-24 months of active detox. During the more active phase of the detox (every 2-4 weeks for 1 week), whenever cilantro is given, the dose can be increased to 3 grams 3-4 times per day (1 week on, 2-4 weeks back down to the maintenance dosage). Take 30 minutes before the main meals and at bedtime. This way chlorella is exactly in that portion of the small intestine where the bile squirts into the gut at the beginning of the meal, carrying with it toxic metals and other toxic waste. These are bound by the chlorella cell wall and carried out via the digestive tract. When amalgam fillings are removed, the higher dose should be given for 2 days before and 2-5 days after the procedure (the more fillings are removed, the longer the higher dose should be given). No cilantro should be given around the time of dental work. During this time we do not want to mobilize deeply stored metals in addition to the expected new exposure. If you take Vitamin C during your detox program, take it as far away from Chlorella as possible (best after meals). Side effects: most side effects reflect the toxic effect of the mobilized metals which are shuttled through the organism. This problem is instantly avoided by significantly increasing the chlorella dosage, not by reducing it, which would worsen the problem (small chlorella doses mobilize more metals then are bound in the gut, large chlorella doses bind more toxins then are mobilized). Some people have problems digesting the cell membrane of chlorella. The enzyme cellulase resolves this problem. Cellulase is available in many health food stores in digestive enzyme products."
You are in the active phase of detox and need to take as much chlorella and other binders as you can manage. Try a drop of NDF (get a sample from Bioray and see how that feels). We love the Biologo, but that is not readily available yet. NDF is very close. Check some of the self-help protocols from Klinghardt-Derksen. I have posted a number of them.
Running for an appointment!
Take care.
Take care.
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Trying to keep switching my binders around. Anyone know the doasge for macuna Bean and when to take it. Friend gave me theris.
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hobo...
Mucana bean powder is to be mixed in a cup of warm water...1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon, 2 -3 times a day...or energy test it for yourself.
My notes say:...good for neurotransmitters, enhance mental alertness and increases muscle mass and strength, lessened numbness, fatigue, joint and muscle pains, and disorders of the reproductive tract for male and female, as well as spasms associated with Parkinsons or Bells Palsy. Has L-Dopa content. A mild laxative effect aiding digestin. Also an Ayurvedic Aphrodisiac!
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LP, Nana, Gigi -- thanks for your replies. I've stepped up the chlorella quite a bit and woke this morning to the worst metal taste in my mouth! They're on the move in my joints and bones and brain and in my mouth...wow! Round #4 & #5 kicked detox up a major notch.
The past few hot days exhausted me, but today is lovely and cool and I feel a bit better. This detoxing makes me feel like my body thermostat is broken and I get really hot and really cold in the snap of finger with no rhyme or reason.
LP and hobo, that Macuna bean sounds like I should git me some! The neurotransmitter enhancements and the aphrodesiac effects sound far too attractive! Actually, I'll keep Macuna in mind down the road in the future -- I've got enough on my plate to try right now.
Gigi-- thanks for the protein breakfast advice. I have been pretty nauseous in the a.m., so my smoothies help start the engines at a more gentle pace. I throw raw apples, strawberries and a carrot into the blender with a splash of cranberry water and a 1/2 teaspoon of the apple pectin powder.
Glad to be on Round #6 as it also appears to help calm the detox frenzy just a bit. Most of all, everyone's support, reading suggestions and replies has helped me to piece things together slowly but surely.
Best to all,
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For anyone interested: "I have been pretty nauseous in the a.m"
"Nauseous" means your liver most likely needs more support. And that you should also help with colonics. Try Liver Life from Bioray, or Ayush Livit 1 and Livit 2. Or any thing that you know supports this important organ. You may want to try Unda 243, a homeopathic supporting both liver and kidney. Pharmax has it and they also carry a Betasitosterol.
Castor Oil packs help.
You are not alone in this - Done all that years ago because it is impossible to detox successfully and not feeling sick without these aids. If you were Dr. K. patient, you would get colonics for sure! It was never my favorite thing, but once used to it, it became a relief. The more toxin you have stored, the more you have to lend a helping hand.
Take care.
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Hi Gigi -- Thank you for the reply...more pearls!
I am going to check out Betasitosterol in addition to the Liver Life that I already have.
My question is this: I just called an energetic practitioner about lymphatic drainage and she uses The Light Beam Generator from Tesla/Tech (rife-like)? It sounded like photons and made me worry about what some had experienced in Germany.
Am I correct in thinking that I should avoid this type of photon-oriented lymph drainage? I don't want anything messing up AI signals!
Thanks,
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"My question is this: I just called an energetic practitioner about lymphatic drainage and she uses The Light Beam Generator from Tesla/Tech (rife-like)? It sounded like photons and made me worry about what some had experienced in Germany."
Wise, I am very familiar with the Light Beam Generator. I think it is a great instrumeht unless you are loaded with toxins (sorry, to put it that way). It would mobilize way too much for what your body seems to be able to handle. We have talked a lot privately, so I think I know where you come from.
I am not familiar with Tesla, and I would put it in the same category as another mobilizer. All you want right now as far as lymphatic drainage is a "light feathering" over the skin, hardly touching the body, just feathering into the direction of the lymph exits. Anything stronger or forceful is too much for many who are doing AI.
"Am I correct in thinking that I should avoid this type of photon-oriented lymph drainage? I don't want anything messing up AI signals!"
None of these machines would mess up AI, but you should not be shaking the tree any more than you are already doing with only AI itself. It activates plenty, and super plenty for you.
No machine can replace the hands of a well trained lymphatic drainage therapist. You would be better off simply helping yourself: take a very soft brush, very soft, or your hands and gently move over the skin starting at your feet, step by step, up to the middle of chest; Reach as much of the back as you can also brushing upward; Then do the same thing starting at the top of the head, down behind and in front of ears to the same middle of the chestm gently stroking over neck (lymph node) area to middle of the chest.
Pull up a lymph chart on the internet and see what that network looks like.
A chi machine (we bought this one years ago for under $100. http://www.imarketcity.com/susptabhesws.html) and if we don't use it, our grandchildren bargain over who goes first! It works very fine. And you can use it every day and relax on it while things are moving -- most gently slinging sideways like a fish in the brook.
Take care.
P.S. Yes, Photons cold turkey, onto a toxic metal- loaded, chemical-loaded body must turn into disaster. And note, I am not saying "may turn". It takes preparation and knowing how to deal with the fallout afterward.
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Does anyone know if the AI team is on holiday?
A friend is trying to contact them for the past two weeks unsuccessfully by email or phone to see if they received her sample or sent out her second set of drops. She doesn't post here. Just want to give her some guidance.
Thanks lp
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I think I'm going to take the (AI) plunge- at least with my 4 year old daughter for now.
I've been considering this therapy for some time now and it doesn't make sense for me at this time, but my 4 year old has extensive food sensitivities and celiac disease. She has dark circles and intermittent diarrhea. We cannot figure out what else is going on with her, but from everything I've read here I feel like AI is the right thing for her.
I'm really hoping it will clear some/most of her food sensitivities and allow her body to get nutrients from her food instead of fighting it.
I feel like this is a huge leap for me to try this. My husband is extremely skeptical but allowing me to make this decision. It's also a lot of money for us right now with all the other health expenses with have relating to lyme, etc.
Very unexpectedly we were give a very generous sum of money from someone anonomously, and I feel strongly that AI is one of things that we are supposed to do with it.
I really hope this is the right decision for her and that we're not wasting money.
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kateaton,
Please keep posting and asking questions when you start your daughter. I will give you support! My daughter has improved tremendously during her treatment in a variety of ways, not all physical, but emotional issues have improved. These are the most noticed by us both!
AS your daughter is so young, she will not be able to tell you much, nor hopefully will she have to go through what my daughter went through pre treatments. The teenage years can be rough with chronic illness. I wish I knew about this when my daughter was 4...that is when she was first bit by the tick and things started to progress.
My thoughts are that your daughter will get rid of those food and chemical sensitivites and inherited miasms. Great beginning. Although as she ages, after AI, she will most likely acquire new environmental things that are unavoidable...chemicals pesticides etc. can newly accumulate over time. Outside activities always bring the risk of tick bites, etc...so...She may need to do the AI or somethng like this in the future in her early adulthood...this is to be seen.
But you are giving her a gift and a great head start, in my humble opinion!
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Hi, I just posted this under another thread and thought it would belong here also:
"I saw Dr. K. today on an after hours friendly basis. He told me that he is no longer allergic to wheat, after having suffered from it most of his life. This came about during the first three bottles of doing the Allergie Immun therapy.
He also told me that he is recommending to patients where he finds an autoimmune problem to do the Allergie Immun therapy because a major problem is thereby being eliminated.
I am of course delighted to hear when he says he can now sleep again like he has never slept in many years and that his wheat problems are gone. I have known him as a human being for 12 years and always wished that the man could get a good night's sleep because he literally works all day and late into the night.
I thought this would entice some people to pay attention to what I have been posting about Allergie Immun. It's all right to ignore it too. We all have a choice.
Take care.
(and no, I don't get paid by anyone for promoting this fantastic therapy. I just know that it works, and to know that it works for others besides me is great.)" --------------------------------------------------I think I will call HG soon and tell him because Dr. K. has not had a chance to ever exchange a word with him.
Get better, get well and take care.
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thank you LP- I definitely needed that encouragement. I swear that sometimes these therapies feel like you're jumping off a bridge (kind of terrifying).
I just really know that we have to get her immune system to straighten out.
I'm so glad to read what Gigi posted above about Dr. K recommending AI for anyone with autoimmune problems. Since my daughter has celiac she fits the bill.
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The numebr one binder I'm taking now is Dr. Jernigan's basic Anti-neurotox formula. ANyone chime in? I really don't know if it's doing the job. Also take apple pectine and occiaonal charcoal. Is this the best product?
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Hobo, would you list the ingredients, all of them, including the fillers, please.
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WOW!!!!
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Chlorella Molybdenum Beta sistorel Siphinum Lacinatium Rice owder as filler and gelatin cap
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I posted awhile back that when we opened our 4th round of bottles they were all smeared and I accidentally mixed up mine and my sons. I emailed HG and never heard back as to whether to take these (not knowing whos is whos), but a new package showed up today so I guess I'm re-starting my 14 days with these new bottles just in case (hope that's a good assumption). Anyway, wish us luck!
I do have a question though...I honestly feel that my food allergies are getting worse (that makes me feel better though Gigi about Dr. K) for some reason. I'm going to ask Dr K about why he thinks this is happening when I see him in 2 weeks. Not sure what is making my leaky gut worse. Things that I never reacted to before I'm now reacting to and things that were mildly reactive are now really reactive...I am frustrated :-(
Anyone else experience this prior to getting better or has everyone else seen a steady positive direction in regards to food allergies?
Thanks!
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Did you write to HG and tell him. With our son we always thought his allergies were wheat based. They were not, it took the elimination of many different chemical groups that caused his symptoms and it was a very gradual process. It did not happen until later in the process. He just finished his therapy and I am sure he will experience changes from hereon out. The body does not release all the stored up toxins immediately. It is gradual and can happen over a long period of tiem.
You are doing another protocol and that may have a bearing on it. I don't know.
What are you reacting to? If you are releasing toxins now, these events are not always pleasant. I certainly had my share of it and was doing no other treatments at all, only binders and support. I had some form of inflammation, but it was very brief, a day or two, and understanding metal detox, I knew what was happening and why. And I did not have the leaky gut problem which I am sure takes a long time to heal.
Some of my symptoms were definitely caused by a combination of allergies toward different substances.
I hope you find the answer. Dr. K. has not nearly the number of allergies that most of us came up with. That alone makes a huge difference. After all, he has been detoxing for ages and entered the therapy in fairly good condition. My own treatment went quite well because I had no single food allergy.
Again, I hope you find out.
Take care.
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I did not. He doesn't seem to respond anymore. No worries though.
I did do MMS for about 2 weeks, but not during the 2 weeks of AI....I do not test for anything but binders so that's all I'm taking.
I just want to ask Dr K why my leaky gut may be getting worse. Garlic for example used to only cause minor indigestion and now I look like I'm pregnant after eating only spaghetti sauce or hummus with garlic added. I also, now, no matter what I eat get red blotchy hot skin after eating. I never had that before either.
Not sure if it's related, but also for whatever reason the "bartonella rash" seems to appear very very frequently now unlike before.
I just seem more sensitive all the way around. I know that I am detoxing a ton, but I wish my leaky gut/food allergy symptoms would improve and not slide backwards.
I know that what I'm doing cannot be bad so that keeps me going, but just eager to check in with Dr K at the end of the month to make sure.
Thanks!
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GettinHealthy -- I am experiencing similar food sensitivity issues. Suddenly, eating brown rice or peas or beans bring on intestinal pain. These foods always used to set off my mother, not me! I started having problems with them on Round #4. I'm on Round #6 and have to be very careful with garlic and onions too. Again, these were my mom's issues... genetic review? Chemicals? Metals?
My Lyme rash of bullseyes is reappearing on my left hip in annoying itchiness just as your bartonella rash seems to be doing. In addition, chemical sensitivities are cropping up along with my feet/shins aching again.
I am choosing to trust that this will pass in time and that alot is being stirred up as metals release. I just went through intense sweats for three weeks. The sweats are starting to subside now.
Round #6 is not as tough as #5 was, but then again I'm only one week into it. I believe I've stepped fully onto the Detox-O-Rama Ride.
Thanks to the folks on this thread, I'm doing chlorella, pectin and charcoal. I have to say that hobokinite's mention of Jernigan's Neurotoxin Formula has my binder curiosity peaked. So far, binders take the edge off of things, but I am not out of the woods of discomfort by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm trusting this process as going through the fire rather than building a toxic dam that antibiotics had become for me. Onward and upward, eh?
Best to all,
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Garlic is antiviral, antibacterial, antiparasitical anti metal. So are onions - all in the sulfhydril group.
Maybe you are doing too much too fast without having really disposed of a lot of toxins yet.
Also be aware, that once the metals are stirring up and ready to leave, so are the parasites. The list of symptoms of awakened parasites is endless. I have just been posting about that - maybe you should check that out.
I definitely would not do MMS - especially being on AI where everything is - all of a sudden - being remembered by the immune system. Many people on this program underestimate this. The body starts working like it hasn't worked in years!
So if you think you can get the toxins out of the way with a couple of chlorella, that will not be working. You need to do binders before every meal and at bedtime; make sure that you do not get constipated. There are teas and remedies to help with that. Even when doing charcoal, you will have to counteract it. Do colonics - do lymphatic drainage, rather than more anti-agents. Do trampoline if you can handle it.
And watch for parasites. Get tested or test yourself with parasite testers or artemesinin or any antiparasitic in your testing kit. If you test for artemesinin, think parasties. If you test for garlic, think parasite.
Parasites will escape through the skin if they feel they are being chased. They do not want to leave and/or get killed. Most are not visible to the naked eye in the stool.
When tensoring or testing, you may alternate from metals to parasites back and forth, one day this, the next day that. Don't ignore it. Parasites feel as uncomfortable when threatened as metals als Lyme and co.
When metals are stirred up, parasites are also stirred up. One eco-system. They do not have their sweet individual cottages. They enjoyed the run-down laidback existence and weren't prepared for AI.
That is how I experience it and that is how I look at it. This is confirmed 100% by Dr.K. AI is not an aspiriin that has no consequences. We have to be aware of that. It may be easy for people like my son, who feels little or nothing and disposes of the bits of metals automatically.
But we have more to get rid off, especially after abx and lots of capsules with fillers and such.
MMS can be very irritating to the gut and I am not sure what happens when it meets parasites! I have never done it.
You are trying to get through the toxic dam and are probably not doing enough to help that.
And remember, the leaky gut has to heal before you expose it to strong stuff. And your immune system is now zeroing in on everything - neurotoxins produced by the old infections, by candida die-off, metals, many chemicals, fillers, all the reasons that made AI necessary, and why HG didn't want us to load up more on any of these.
Just my thoughts as I listen to your "suffering".
Be sure you replenish your missing minerals.
Take care.
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Wow, Gigi you are a wealth of knowledge :-) I always read your posts hanging on every word because it is so interesting and always hits it on the "head" - how do you do that? :-)
I am taking 2 parasite meds currently: Albenza and Artemenisin. Maybe that is what is happening that they are being stirred up?
I just ordered a book on fiber and am going to try that route to get things to exit quicker :-) Hopefully some combination will work. I have Hashimoto's which is low thryoid which is terrible for having things exit quickly.
It is a good reminder to do more binders because for some reason if I don't feel the need I often forget, but should just write out a schedule so that it becomes a checkmark rather than trying to remember.
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Can someone tell me if it is ok to start AI before mercury fillings are removed? I'm trying to come up with a game plan. Also...does metal toxicity cause your face to ALWAYS have an orange glow to it. My face has been very orange for a long time.
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I am sure it is okay to start AI, just make sure you pay a lot of attention to binders when you get going.
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptoms/orange_skin/causes.htm I was curious myself - remember the organe skin on some infants when eating lots of carots. Maybe the "orange glow" is an allergic reaction - the "glow" makes me think of that. Get your iron tested and talk with your doctor.
Good luck, Rob.
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GIGI wrote: "And your immune system is now zeroing in on everything - neurotoxins produced by the old infections, by candida die-off, metals,"
yes, yes, yes!! Almost five months since I finished the drops. I have had hardened white crystals (dead parasites?) coming out of my skin.
Coughing up what tests to be yeast coming out of my lungs... and the metals just keep coming.
Seems as though my immune system is on high alert now and going after everything. Not always comfy.
Thank goodness GIGI is here to remind us.
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I've been having those hardened white crystals for years, wondering what the hell it was. i thought it was salt or minerals were coming out.
Anyone???? Any ideas.
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Hobo - I'm not positive that's what they are. I actually saved one but have no idea where to get it looked at - maybe the local vet.
My Mom removed one for me as I couldn't reach it, it left a hole where it had been.
I am treating for parasites now and one of my arms has completely broken out. I suspect they are on the run!
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Hi -- I wanted to ask a question. I have been taking Electrolyte Enhanced Matrix Formula thinking that it was minerals I needed to add for rehydration, etc. I bought it for the Rehydration Formula drink.
When I looked at a BioPure ad that I picked up at the Klinghardt seminar, it also lists Matrix Minerals (different from Electrolyte Enhanced one.) Are the same minerals included in each formula? Does one just have Electrolytes added?
Should I be taking the Matrix Minerals as well?
I really want to understand this stuff....
Best,
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Gigi -- thanks for the Betasitosterol reminder along with the Pectin amounts.
I got my BioPure chlorella and it is so much more powerful than the Whole Foods junk I was taking while waiting!
I also am awaiting my new Chi Machine and really looking forward to swimming like a fish.
"Keep on swimming, keep on swimming..." said Dorey of "Nemo" fame.
Paddling along,
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Wiser - Matrix Minerals contain many, many, many minerals. The electroyles contain a few for rehydration, Matrix minerals is for minerals supplementation.
Often when we lose heavy metals, it takes the good minerals out with them - if you're not careful or aware.
Chlorella will not take the good minerals out but some binders do and are best taken far away from minerals.
I certainly think it's wise to supplement with Matrix minerals. My recent hair test showed I was quite depleted.
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Has anyone had vomiting that they felt was AI related?
We've had what I thought was a stomach bug - tho a visiting relative who isn't doing AI has had the same symptoms - it's just so odd - leaving and then returning within a week. SHort bouts of vomitting that come on quickly - Usually not more than a few minutes of nausea followed immediately by vomiting. I've had 3 rounds now. THis last one had me quite scared. I had pain all the way around my middle - sort of an odd pain mixed with the nausea - reminds me of the feeling I had once doing a liver gallbladder cleanse - only much worse. This time there was also mucous with a little blood - (sorry - gross - I'm trying to not go too heavy on the icky details)
It scared me enough that I ended up taking a combination homeopathic for tummy upset - it stopped the vomiting - which may have prevented a trip to the hospital. Now I'm wondering if takign the homeopathic has caused possible problems with the AI?
I've got us all taking oregano oil, and will add in digestive enzymes, and maybe GSE as well. IT was suggested that it may be giardia? I'm hoping that taking these things won't interfere with AI, but at this point with 8 people all just getting sick over and over again it's really making life frustrating. Our visiting relative and myself have been sick the most times, but everyone has been affected in some way - with most of us having it come back again.
And we are not ones that ever get tummy flus - until recently I could count on one hand the number of times I'd had to deal with vomiting in 15 years as a mom.
If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear -
Thanks,
Heather
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I have not experienced those symptoms with AI. But we have never been prone to that before with any illness.
The only things we have had come up, are past type symptoms, that seem to revisit us when regulation is occuring in that area.
Also when our immune system is finally working and awakened, we were finally getting colds and my daughter and son did get the flu...at different times. My daughters was severe which did include vomiting which was unusual, but she had severe high fever that lasted a week, dehydration, muscle aches, typical flu symptoms, that later developed into pneumonia! A complete month of severe illness during her final exams period. She is on round 10 of the drops. She did not take the drops during that very ill time.
Interesting that the only other time she had anything like this was after her tick bite...where she contracted Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever at the age of 4.
I tell you this, as I am still not certain that this was a new flu...or was it the "leaving" of old hidden past infections. AS things are always on the move out while on AI and during a time after.
For your situation..if many have this at once..I would guess it is a new bug.
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New symptom...or possibly regulation happening for me.
I have no back issues usually.
for the past three days, with no injury or bad movements, I have severe pain upon moving my lower back from sitting to standing or tossing in my bed. Out of the blue!
I did have an old pain , in the exact area about 10 years ago, that also came from no where...went to a physical therapist and they did some heat and stimulation treatments for a series of two weeks...which helped the pain temporarily at the time, but did not make it go away...it eventually resolved in a months time on its own, not re-occuring until now.
The unusual thing about it at the time, is that the pain moved from the left side of the spine, over to the right side...the therapist said this is unusual, and does not happen...pain should not migrate...this was before my lyme diagnosis.
Anyway, this is the kind of pain I am feeling again, but it hasn't migrated yet. So I tested myself today to see if I resonated with metals...NO. But I did resonate with some dormant, non-active viruses and Bartonella and Babesia! I was never diagnosed with Bart nor Babesia, but do know I have had mild symptoms of those things most of my life. Always thought I did have it at some time...but no extensive tests were ever conclusive. At one time with my second ART testingk, Babesia showed up, but as in remission. So I never treated for it.
I do not have symptoms at all now! Except this painful area is resonating with this now.
I believe I am moving these...old dormant viruses, and bugs out!!!! My spine is testing positive to EBV and Herpes 6. I test to take nothing with my test kit...to let my body just work on its own.
I will be tested by an ART practitioner this week.
Thought I'd share this...as I am done the drops, but still regulating it appears.
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Dear LP! Have you treated parasites? If you have, would suggest you do it again in a serious longterm way. You have the ability to tensor test yourself, if you test for anything such as artemisinin or even the babesia slide (one day you test positive, next day not!) protozoa/parasites are a factor. Get some parasite vials - I have one for parasite mix with ovum - if it tests, even yes or no sometimes, concentrate on treating parasites.
To start with, do it the Klinghardt way: Test the 5 Levels of Healing: Problem in Physical Body? Problem in Energy Body? Problem in Mental Body?
Then test for details - the seven factors:
(1) Heavy Metals, neurotoxins, chemical compounds? (2)Test asking if Nutritional Deficiencies, biochemical imbalances? (3) Structural Problems? (4) Interference Fields (scars - dental infections) (5) Geopathic and Electromagnetic Stress (6) Food Intolerances (7) Psycho-emotional or systemic Conflicts or Trauma
And go from there. Honest neutral testing will point you in the right direction.
My hunch is - if you have not treated parasites seriously, they can cause plenty of back problems and shifting pain. You have done the metal game, now the parasites are becoming homeless.
Good luck.
P.S. Parasites can be a major problem stalling total recovery! Do not ignore it - there is a good reason why Dr.K. treats these early in the process. If you have eaten in a restaurant, you have parasites that you do not want to keep for long. Organic foods? Who knows? Pets in and on your bed? Children and puppies? But they are a huge problem for many people.
P.P.S. Even if you test for Freeze Dried Garlic - think parasites? 4 Capsules opened into warm water - drink any time - twice a day. It's a good start or in between the stronger Albendazole, Biltricide,high dose artemisinin, long term Alinia
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I wonder if it's possible that AI brought up giardia for me - (suspect looking back that I may have had it undiagnosed) and then passed it unknowingly to my family?
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Thanks Gigi...great input. Will do my homework! lp
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Could you have had a norovirus--it's a virus that affects the digestive tract, but not the same as a flu (influenza) virus.
It causes nausea and vomiting like you mention, plus digestive/cramping pain, diarrhea, fever--some or all of these symptoms. Highly contagious.
It's been going around WA state, and probably other areas too. I had what I assume is norovirus twice in April--I had no nausea or vomiting, but had severe intestinal cramping and pain, plus fever, chills, tender to the touch all over.
Hope it's gone now and you don't have a recurrence.
Take care, Nutmeg
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I have been in touch with Gigi while trying to figure out how to post on here; hopefully this will get thru.
I am on round two of the AI drops and am also studying Dr. Klinghardt's DVDs. I have had ART in the past and recently went to a practitioner four hours away who insisted that he do a metabolic profile (Nutrispec) which showed anerobic and parasympathetic problems. Aside from not being able to eat anything sweet including fruit and no dairy including butter (I am already on a gluten free diet) and Dr. K says no nuts, no tea, no coffee or chocolate as they open BBB and the spirochetes ride them in and may stay there forever) . . . my food options are dwindling.
Anyway this ART practitioner's report suggests four supplements that are just loaded with Bs, magnesium (which Lymees are not supposed to ingest) and a ton of other items that he didn't even test with ART. I can't believe that someone who is so well known in the field wouldn't pick up on at least the magnesium part.
I told him l0 times that I'm on the drops which he obviously has almost no familiarity with. When he tested me with ART (before metabolic testing) I tested for four products -- one a homeopathic, one a liver complex with a lot of detox items in it like turmeric and methionine, androphagis (which is not just a liver support with is a big detoxing agent).
So I'm not taking any of that stuff -- I know Dr. K says he recommends metabolic typing early on and I see that he thinks highly of Real Time Functional Medicine (Timothy Ray's metabolic program). Has anyone tried it?
My main symptom is wobbliness/dizziness which has been exacerbated since starting the drops. According to HG's latest report, there are only two chemicals that I had not cleared -- all the heavy metals and miasms seemed to have cleared -- which doesn't make sense in view of my symptoms.
ART testing (and every other testing) shows Lyme and mercury (systemic).
Any comments appreciated.
Blessings, Lex
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Metabolic typing for some does well. I do not believe in it. BTM is great help for some - it was a waste for us. There are many things that were tried years ago that Dr.K. does not bother with any longer having learned more and finding the missing links. AI for me was a major missing link even though I made it through Lyme without it.
When the corrections are made with AI, The body will start to recognize and mobilize unwanted metals as well as many other deposits that are in the way. So of course they will test with ART as will any neurotoxins remaining in the body.
If you are watching DVD's from six years ago - a lot more has been learned since then and that is what you should concentrate on. People still need to take magnesium - some may not. If you are deficient you need it. Now you need to make certain you are no longer deficient in minerals and concentrate on that. That is a big eye opener for many. Possibly do a hair test that will show you what is happening as AI starts to become effective. You are probably a long way from having cleared all errors with AI, as testing continues into deeper areas.
Many are bothered with KPU that does not disappear overnight either and you may look at replenishing some minerals in that manner as you go through AI. Look up KPU in http://www.klinghardt.org/ning/KPU09PX.pdf or in some of the longer protocols. And paying attention to binders is probably another most important thing as you go through AI. A hairtest will also tell you if KPU is a problem. Your practitioner should be aware of that. It has been a major discovery for most Lyme patients
Glad you found your way to posting.
Take care.
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Hair analysis report from Hiker53: I am happy to report that the results of my hair analysis from 2 different labs show no metal toxicity. I think that may be why I rarely test positive with energy testing or the biotensor for chorella. I have used the bionic, so perhaps the idea that the bionic moves heavy metals around is not correct for everyone.
I do lack a few minerals, but KPU does not appear to be a problem.
I am still exhausted, but think I am in the healing stages and that will take a lot of energy.
Blesings. Hiker53
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Hair Analysis results for Hiker53: Two labs show I have not heavy metals. That may be why I rarely test positive for wanting chorella with the biotensor.
I have used the bionic, so the idea that the bionic simply moves metals around is not true for everyone.
No KPU indicated either!
I do lack some minerals and will work on correcting that. I am still exhausted, but have trouble sleeping. I cannot take binders at night due to my seizure meds at night. I do think I am finishing up killing Lyme and entering the healing stage which I know will take a lot of energy.
Blessings. Hiker53
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It doesn't feel like a virus - there's no body aches, no cramping - the pain I had was different - kind of a gnawing ache mixed with nausea that went all around my front and back. The vomiting comes on fast and furious usually in the middle of the night - and it doesn't usually last longer than a couple of hours.
I saw a Dr yesterday - and surprisingly enough they agreed that it sounds like giardia. I'll send in a stool sample for testing today. They did blood testing for liver, kidney and pancreas as well since it's been going on so long.
We have chickens - I hadn't known that you can get giardia from chickens - no more roaming the property for them - they'll be contained. I also live in the country - and it's been raining alot, so risk of giardia is higher - a lot of people have water sources from creeks - ours is a well and is clean/been tested. WE may have drank water at a friend's house - I don't know.
THinking back tho I wonder if I've had it for a long time and it's just come in and out or dormancy - not sure how it works exactly.
I was remembering interestingly tho that there was a brand of enzymes that I couldn't take without having extreme sulphur belching. They were enzymedica brand. THe practitioner who recommended them was always stumped by it -
I've gone through periods in my life too where I had unexplained nausea and low low fever - coming on for an hour or so and then leaving - often for an hour or so every night.
ANyway - we'll see - tho I know that testing for giardia doesn't always pick it up.
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I am not responding to your private e-mail, Hiker, because I feel my comments here may benefit the group. And it appears that you feel like you have no problem in that area and that is good.
In general, when doing a Doctor's Data Hairtest, it shows which metals are leaving via hair and which ones are not. If none of the toxic metals show or only little, they are not getting into the blood stream and therefore not into the hair and thus are still somewhere in the body . As long as there are neurological problems and symptoms of almost any kind, metal roxicity is a major factor not to be ignored. I have never heard of anyone having seizures and/or sleep problems without having a toxicity problem. It goes hand in hand. If I were to ask this question of Dr. K., I am certain he would say ``detoxing, detoxing'' .
KPU is tested with a specific test, not a hair test. See protocol. And many doctors are treating it if zinc and an array of other essential minerals are showing up as deficient, without even doing the KPU test, and simply energetic testing. It is easier to decide when a practitioner knows the history of a patient well.
If you are lacking minerals or the balance is thrown off between the ones you have, they need to be corrected, and it takes months to do that, especially if the absorption/leaky gut was a problem for a long time and probably still is not quite up to what it should be in a healthy body. Minerals are not easily absorbed and it is tricky to find the ones that work and get absorbed. We are doing several different ones at a time. Rehydration cocktail has a reason. Drinking tons of water is not a good idea flushing the ones out that you still have, etc.
I would encourage anyone that has unidentifiable symptoms to seek a practitioner who is familiar with these problems. Any ND can order a hair test. I am sure even the ones you have heard of will do it via some telephone consult if you cannot get to one. It's worth a try.
So again, if the hairtest shows N O toxic metals or little, that is where the problem is buried. It cannot and is not coming out, because the hair is one of the best barometers of what is happening with the metals. Without the essential minerals to tie up to, the bad ones (toxic metals) are stuck. Pay attention to the bad hair days - I think mine correspond with metals leaving! My husband's hair gets frizzy.
Very often it also indicates that untreated worms/parasites are the problem and are holding up toxic metals, etc. Often with parasite treatment, toxic metals show in testing. It is almost a daily back and forth. Test energetically for parasites one day, metals next. Sometimes both at the same testing. Releasing biofilm is another factor.
All have to be addressed to make it work.
The Bionic did not give me seizures, but it almost killed me because of the metal circulation. It certainly put my autonomic nervous system totally out of sync. Bad, bad, a time I will never ever have to go through again. It took me a whole year overcoming this problem. So anyone playing with certain photons, beware. Red, green, blue, all have different effects. THE TOXIC METALS DO NOT COME OUT ON THEIR OWN. IT TAKES A LOT OF SUPPORT. READ THE PROTOCOLS OF DR.K. READILY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET.
Take care.
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I am not responding to your private e-mail, Hiker, because I feel my comments here may benefit the group. And it appears that you feel like you have no problem in that area and that is good.
In general, when doing a Doctor's Data Hairtest, it shows which metals are leaving via hair and which ones are not. If none of the toxic metals show or only little, they are not getting into the blood stream and therefore not into the hair and thus are still somewhere in the body . As long as there are neurological problems and symptoms of almost any kind, metal roxicity is a major factor not to be ignored. I have never heard of anyone having seizures and/or sleep problems without having a toxicity problem. It goes hand in hand. If I were to ask this question of Dr. K., I am certain he would say ``detoxing, detoxing'' .
KPU is tested with a specific test, not a hair test. See protocol. And many doctors are treating it if zinc and an array of other essential minerals are showing up as deficient, without even doing the KPU test, and simply energetic testing. It is easier to decide when a practitioner knows the history of a patient well.
If you are lacking minerals or the balance is thrown off between the ones you have, they need to be corrected, and it takes months to do that, especially if the absorption/leaky gut was a problem for a long time and probably still is not quite up to what it should be in a healthy body. Minerals are not easily absorbed and it is tricky to find the ones that work and get absorbed. We are doing several different ones at a time. Rehydration cocktail has a reason. Drinking tons of water is not a good idea flushing the ones out that you still have, etc.
I would encourage anyone that has unidentifiable symptoms to seek a practitioner who is familiar with these problems. Any ND can order a hair test. I am sure even the ones you have heard of will do it via some telephone consult if you cannot get to one. It's worth a try.
So again, if the hairtest shows N O toxic metals or little, that is where the problem is buried. It cannot and is not coming out, because the hair is one of the best barometers of what is happening with the metals. Without the essential minerals to tie up to, the bad ones (toxic metals) are stuck. Pay attention to the bad hair days - I think mine correspond with metals leaving! My husband's hair gets frizzy.
Very often it also indicates that untreated worms/parasites are the problem and are holding up toxic metals, etc. Often with parasite treatment, toxic metals show in testing. It is almost a daily back and forth. Test energetically for parasites one day, metals next. Sometimes both at the same testing. Releasing biofilm is another factor.
All have to be addressed to make it work.
The Bionic did not give me seizures, but it almost killed me because of the metal circulation. It certainly put my autonomic nervous system totally out of sync. Bad, bad, a time I will never ever have to go through again. It took me a whole year overcoming this problem. So anyone playing with certain photons, beware. Red, green, blue, all have different effects. THE TOXIC METALS DO NOT COME OUT ON THEIR OWN. IT TAKES A LOT OF SUPPORT. READ THE PROTOCOLS OF DR.K. READILY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET.
Take care.
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