Cass A
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The cost is a one-time fee, plus $10 in cash for shipping charges each round. I just staple a $10 bill to the letter that goes with my sample.
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MichaelVenice - Not sure if Gigi will respond here but since she is a close friend of mine, I will attempt to reply.
She is a very intuitive person. She has been posting here for a long, long time and was speaking up about amalgam fillings, toxicity and the like before many had made the connection to those things and illness.
She is a close friend of Dr. K and many fine practitioners and has gained a wealth of knowledge from them and from her own research. She is not trying to play doctor to anyone.
She found Allergie-Immun before Mr. G was bombarded with American clients and as she speaks German has had the opportunity to pick his brain to some degree.
She was well long before she started Allergie-Immun but was still looking for ways to help her husband.
Antibiotics were of no help to me and I did not stay on them for long. Through my own research and common sense, I decided that my issues were due to toxicity and that lyme was only a small part of the picture which probably would never have emerged if I hadn't had such a nice, toxic terrain for it to establish itself.
This was the reason I did Allergie-Immun - to get to the bottom of "how could I have gotten so ill?"
I know plenty of people who have had repeated tick bites and never got sick. These same people also happen to have no amalgam fillings, no root canals, etc. etc. etc.
When I sent of my first saliva sample at the end of 2008, I did not feel I was dealing with active lyme anymore but neurotoxins left behind along with who knows what else. I wanted to know what the "who knows" parts were and I had not found a different way to discover this. Having a look on a DNA level made sense to me.
I was quite shocked to see all the issues on my report from AI and it truly was an "aha moment."
I know people who have never heard of Lymenet that have done this therapy and never really felt a thing. Some have completed and some are still on it, still not having any real problems with it. A runny nose or some emotional days have been it for them.
These people are also not obsessed with disease and thinking everything is lyme. Not saying you are but there are people who live that way.
I went through many of the same things that are talked about here - heart palps, anxiety, whatever. But I also experienced (somewhere after the first round) a glimpse at an inner joy and sense of power that I had not felt since my 30's.
The fact that it was alive and well somewhere, waiting to be free, was enough for me to endure whatever AI would bring. Some days I wanted to throw my bottle of drops in the trash and then I would remember that glowing ember in there.
When all was said and done, if I had compiled a list (and I wish I had), the benefits I received far outweigh and rough days I had.
There are plenty of complaints on here about emails not being answered and questions about why the heck he doesn't hire some people that speak English. He could hire a hundred people but how in the world would he teach them the knowledge he has gained and the gift he has.
I think I would rather have waited for an answer or had to write a few times, than to have had a reply from someone who might now really know what they were talking about - but were in training.
I don't think it's like teaching someone to drive a car, too many variables, so many people and a gift that has been passed down through his family.
So, is Gigi an employee? No, but perhaps she should be for the time she has spent making phone calls for people and helping people get their questions answered when it feels like an emergency.
I don't know why some people have had success with this and some have not. Again too many variables. Energy follows thought. "I think I can"... will take one further than "this is a hoax but I'll try it."
This is in no way directed to any individuals who post here or read here, just my thoughts about this therapy and about a woman that none of you really know (only one or two that I can think of).
I have no way of knowing where my life would be without her help and friendship but I have a feeling I would be sitting around making a list of symptoms and trying to figure out which co-infection it could be.
The first strained, English words I ever received from Mr. G, alerted me to his feelings about the tick vs the terrain.
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This is just a support thread for the AI therapy...so new readers...don't expect to get individualized info here about the AI therapy for your conditions....only suggestions from those who have gone before you.
We are all just reporting what we personally experience and this varies by individual...
I am not selling anything...just reporting to my friends here on the same path. I end up editing my posts several times after i re-read them...as I am ultra concerned about trying to not offend " anyone with my written word...but it gets tiring.
As we can all attest...sometimes what we write does not come off all "huggy- feely". ...but I cannot take people "reading into" my dialogue...so know I only have good intentions to all...or I wouldn't post my private info to help others compare!
I would prefer the respect of a private message if someone takes offense...rather than venting about me here on this post...please give us all that respect. If for fact I have led anyone astray...then by all means post it...but false accusations are not respected. We need to give each other the benefit of the doubt before blasting someone here on this support thread.
I suggest you look for the common thread of regulations that others have experienced, and PM those you feel may help you individually that have a similar situation.
Some here took care of lyme before starting the therapy...and others still had full blown symptoms before starting it...hard to compare if you do not know each persons situation. Because of this, there are varying degrees of how people feel while doing the drops. The more toxic the body load...the more to clear...
Many posting minimal regulations are ones that still have mercury amalgams in their mouths or have continued other on going therapies to keep their unique symptoms at bay....that may disrupt the complete possible regulation of the AI therapy.
This is an individual choice.
Understand who you are taking recommendations from...use your common sense.
I have had a very positive outcome as I have posted, and have been on no other therapies while doing the drops. Although I had already been detoxing well before starting AI.
Treated co-infections successfully before the AI as well. I did not know about the Ai therapy when I first began lyme and co-infectin treatments. Timing was right for me when I began. Got rid of mercury metal amalgams prior to starting.
Still lyme positive with symptoms after long courses oif antiabiotics...was ready for a break...but found lyme symptoms were very manageable after I had detoxed several months to rid myself of the die off and antibiotic residual...and my co-infections were gone.
I decided to set myself up physically, mentally and emotionally to get the best outcome of this unique therapy. I do not like to waste my time or money...and like to do things in a methodical way...to get the best results possible.
I was ready for this "experiment". I did not feel I needed any additional lyme therapies to get through the year.
I suggest you prepare yourself as well for the best possible outcome if you decide to go this route...before beginning so you are confident and can maintain the course of treatment to the end.
From my observations...those who prepare themselves emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually, are the ones who benefit most and have the positive responses here on this thread. Only you know what needs to happen...take some quiet time daily to meditate and pray about your unique situation...and clarity will come.
If for some reason you are questioning...there is always a reason. It may not be your time. My advice: Do not try anything you do not feel good about. No rush!
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Cost? One price for the complete therapy! I love this. So refreshing to know what the expenses will be for a therapy from start to end! Not the American way for sure!
For me..I did not need to see my "out of network" LLMD anymore nor need loads of supplements or antibiotics during the therapy...so the cost was excellent for my budget...it was a savings on my yearly medical!
Although I did learn about binders and liver support natural remedies...which I did purchase on line or at Whole foods....
I will use this education the rest of my life...so valuable! Thanks friends!
I suggest those who have read the threads to glean what you can about detox and support remedies...you will not find this wealth of information in one place! Gigi is to be thanked for sharing her gifts with us all.
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quote: you will not find this wealth of information in one place! Gigi is to be thanked for sharing her gifts with us all. [/QB]
Ditto!!
Even my LLMD has benefitted indirectly from Gigi's posts.
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quote:Originally posted by Michael_Venice: I have a concern...I mean, I don't think I'm too eager to stop antibiotics for months and months, indefinitely....in order to do AI therapy.
Michael_Venice - If this is how you feel, then, please don't stop the abx. I didn't stop them and am very grateful that I went all the way with them, into remission.
There are many tx's and agendas pushed on this board, some harder than others, some work for some and not for others; abx, Bionic 880, KPU, PSP...It's mind boggling. Bottom line - It's your life and you have to deal with the consequences of whatever actions you take. It's very difficult deciding, I know.
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Thanks to everyone who wrote. Again, I did not in any way mean to write anything that should be perceived as an attack.
I am trying the therapy. I am a bit frustrated that the couple of questions (regarding cost and taking antibiotics during tx) have gone unanswered by the AI people themselves, when I've emailed them. And I sincerely had difficulty with this thread often seeming as though Gigi was a doctor-patient liason. It IS unusual.
The best way I understand my own situation is that I've had multiple infections, some metals issues and a 'terrain' that has been compromised.
As far as optimism or a positive/winning attitude about beginning AI...I've learned not to get my hopes up too high with ANY treatment now. The troubles with treating this disease run the gamut from the IDSA's nonsense to some genuinely exploitative snake oil cures. We've all been through this gamut, and it's always difficult to sort out what is what in order to try to make the best decisions to help ourselves get well.
thanks again.
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I may or may not comment on the above -- after I have breakfast -- . First things first.
Here is the portion of "The Patient Information for Bioenergetic Blood Analysis" which I received as many of you have telling about the do's and dont's when doing the AI therapy. I believe it has been posted on this thread already drbrtsl months ago.
It's good to remember that any translation may lose some of the finer nuances. Babylon!
Bio-energetic therapy - how to Proceed
Indications Disorders of the bio-cybernetic system Physical and psychological discomfort of any kind that do not stem from disease, ailments or physical injury and that may not be causally be explained by medicine, especially: - degeneration of psychological and physical performance - allergic discomfort, intolerances, painful conditions - anxiety, psychological false reactions, general psycho-somatic discomfort
Absolute contra-indication
Acute therapy with antibiotics or chemotherapy; non-functioning immune system; severe psychological disorders with suicidal hazard.
Relative contra-indication
Maintenance therapy with cortisone or insulin, modification or reduction of medication only with medicinal consent (doctor or naturopath).
Risks, side effects, complications
Test A drop of blood is required for the test. It can be drawn from the tip of a finger and is to delivered to the lab together with the accompanying document. Please use a sterile lancet only. If you should use alcohol on the injection site, let it dry completely before drawing blood. In rare cases it may come to skin irritations at the injection site if hygiene is neglected.
Therapy
The body �s synergetic uptake of energy has a broad effect, aside from desirable effects it may also have some undesired ones. The essence of this method is to change undesired aspects of the bio-cybernetic program. It is common for psychological and physical conditions to become more intense during therapy. That applies in particular to negative conditions (fatigue, depression, pain). Normalization and improvement usually happens during or shortly after therapy. Reprogramming (altered sub-consciousness) may lead to situations that can leave you reacting differently and unusually.
Therapy �s goal is a brand new bio-cybernetic regulatory circuit. In a few cases, especially if you do not drink enough fluids, it may come to circulation problems. They are usually harmless. During therapy or right after it may come to overactivation of physical and psychological functions, e.g. rise in blood pressure, increased perspiration, urge to defecate and urinate, sexual arousal.
Bio-energetic therapies and other methods
Bio-energetic therapies and cortisone
A bio-energetic therapy together with cortisone is only possible to a limited extent. Cortisone is a hormone that the body normally produces itself and that is a transmitter to control the immune system. It filters and relativises the body �s alarming messages about the need of immune system activities. Cortisone� s purpose is to stop the immune system and to not fight every small disorder with full force.
When cortisone is added from the outside, adequate production of the body �s own cortisone is ceased completely (command center gets deprived). Depending on the dose and duration the immune system may be either disarmed or completely immobilized. Now it is clear that for instance all measures to strengthen or stabilize the immune system go come to nothing.
What is worse: they lead to confusion of information in the body. The body then cannot deal with this contradictory information.
A cortisone therapy should not be discontinued abruptly since the mechanism of the body �s own regulation and production does not restart to ensure an adequate cortisone therapy. Depending on each individual condition, the immune system may be impaired partially or completely or it may come to overreactions. One of the most well known overreactions is the prevention of new cell formation in the dermal areas that leads to the effect of �thin skin�.
One alternative is to specifically on preventing the body �s own production from being stopped and to restart it. Tapering off the cortisone drug therapy would be a lot easier and without consequences.
Bio-energetic therapies and diabetes
Diabetes needs to be treated and is therefore basically not responsive to a bio-energetic therapy, although diabetes has quite an effect on the bioenergetic state of the body. A complementary (supportive) bio-energetic therapy is recommended though.
The problem in diabetes is the diet recommended by doctors that is contrary and counterproductive to a bio-energetic therapy.
Even according to the latest findings in conventional medicine, diabetes is viewed a lot more complex than a few years ago. It is widely understood that diabetes (especially type 2) is not a �sugar disease� but a bio-energetically induced disease of the cell metabolism. Since conventional medicine has not yet found a bio-energetic therapy method, diabetes remains an incurable disease where one can only prevent (bioenergetically induced) long-term damage.
If, in accordance with the attending physician, a diet can be abandoned then a bio-energetic therapy is possible - even when resuming the use of medication (conventional method for diabetes). Intervals between doctors visits may be shortened however and once the bio-energetic condition has improved, medication may be corrected accordingly.
Bio-energetic therapies and cancer
Cancer needs to be treated and is therefore basically not responsive to a bio-energetic therapy, although cancer has quite an effect on the bioenergetic state of the body and a bio-energetic therapy usually has a therapeutic effect on the body, especially since cancer is most likely a disease that makes for loss of energy. A complementary (supportive) bio-energetic therapy is therefore recommended. This refers to all levels, namely follow-up care after operations. We need to consider though that chemotherapy builds up irreparable blockades so that bioenergetic therapies are useless at the same time of chemotherapy.
Bio-energetic therapies and dietary guidelines
In bio-energetic therapies basically no certain foods are forbidden. There is no advice either to avoid certain foods but it requires uptake of energy-relevant foods.
Elimination diets (abandonment of certain foods or substances) and supplementation (high doses of supplements) should not be taken during the bio-energetic therapy.
Bio-energetic therapies and Homeopathy
Homeopathy works on a bio-energetic level. Our therapy however works on the information level. High potencies are especially effective. The reason: certain information becomes available by massively diluting substances (electromagnetic conditions with longlasting waves - coherent conditions - are produced). Those high potencies need to be prescribed by doctors or naturopaths. Principally we welcome a simultaneous homeopathic therapy.
It is easily conceivable - although not proved yet - that it may come to conflicts when the bio-energetic Energetika and a homeopathic medium convey different information, both effective in its own way. We exclude this possibility though, otherwise homeopathy would have already cured the disorder. Self-medication with homeopathy can be tricky though. The risk to block bioenergetic information is a lot bigger.
Bio-energetic therapies and Acupuncture
Acupuncture is also a therapy effective on the bioenergetic level. Homeopathics and our ALLERGIE.IMMUN �s Energetika use fluid to be distributed in the body. Acupuncture uses meridians to distribute information (non-material pathways)
It may also - although not proved yet - may come to conflicts because the bio-energetic REGUIMMUN- Energetika by ALLERGIE-IMMUN and acupuncture might send different information. It is not unusual that different information can reach the same target because our body uses the redundancy principle. This means that certain tasks can be applied by various information systems. Figuratively speaking: one can send an invitation by letter, fax, email or sms. The information `june 4th, 4 pm, my place` is the same, no matter what means. Depending on each medium it may arrive at different times though.
Bio-energetic therapies and Reiki
Especially if you have unsatisfactory results in the diagnosis areas 2, a supply of Reiki energy could support the bio-energetic therapy. Reiki has different approaches. It is important that the Reiki therapist is able to master and modulate. A lot of people doubt that Reiki is purely a channeling energy. When Reiki is linked to fasting and cleansing rituals, bio-energetic therapies are counterproductive when used together.
Bio-energetic therapies and psychotherapy
Our diagnosis comprises psycho-somatic parameters, cybernetic programs of the conscious and unconscious and the transmission of information, as well as behavioral imprint on bioenergetic processes. We assume that essential psychological processes can be displayed in bioenergetic parameters. When psychological diseases are caused by bio-energetic disorders then the bio-energetic therapy can have a positive effect on the client.
A psychotherapeutic treatment is never part of the bio-energetic therapy though, not even if a naturopath, doctor or psychotherapist implements it in his/her capacity of bioenergetic practitioner. Usually a psychotherapeutic treatment and a bioenergetic therapy do not exclude one another.
You can get a copy of this if you write AI. If you wish, mail me and I will send you the complete copy of my document.
Take care.
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It has been brought to my attention that it sounds as though I went straight from short term abx to AI, excluding bionic treatment.
I believe I have mentioned on more than one occasion that I was treated with the bionic and that I felt it helped me with lyme.
I have also mentioned the negative affects I experienced with the bionic.
I hope that clears things up.
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Thank you for posting that. It occurs to me that it would make everyone's lives easier if the AI people or the admins of their website would make some of these things clear and accessible in well-translated English. I know they're a German company, but with any enterprise that works in different territories, it's best to provide clear, well-translated information to consumers. Their info that already IS in English is pretty clear (except the cost / cycles of treatment thing, which I had trouble understanding)
And especially with nuanced or technical type writing, Google translate leaves way too much open to confusion.
Even my LLMD's office had trouble knowing whether it is necessary to discontinue antibiotics and other things for the duration.
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MV...most of the questions you have are answered at length on previous threads...as many others have had the same good questions over the past year.
The responses you have gotten are from the same people, like me, who have been the main people who have been responding from the beginning. We are repeating ourselves many times here...making us look like we are "promoting" this therapy...when in fact we are just wanting to share responses to the therapy and compare with others. We do take a lot of personal time to answer others questions in detail...while others do not. We are learning oursleves, and are not here to be promoters...but here to heal.
and in general, just happy we have something positive to share that can help others who suffer.
So please do not take offense if we sometimes have shorter and quick responses that come off snippy or bad in print. Totally not intended!
We are not irritated...but just weary of responding to the same questions that have been posted earlier. I would never recommend anyone do this therapy without reading the entire thread.
Sometimes better to ask PM's as the rest of those who regularly are reading this thread, also had to read all the previous posts to get their answers...and did their own research...and then can post questions that have not been asked or posted previously to help all for clarification.
Individually in PM's we can all give individual help on the basics.
As you are aware, the therapy is German and mostly has been done by Europeans...Gigi has brought this to us and I believe we on this board are probably the first to be doing this in the USA in mass.
They are not totally up to speed with the American demands of an English informational website that fully meets our needs...but when we all started there was nothing in English at all...so the ones posting and finished now with the therapy, did not have the advantage of all that is posted on their website now in English. We translated the German into broken english and worked form there!
It is evolving and will get better over this year to be sure.
Hope this helps... Glad you are part of the AI club!
blessings lp
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I just spoke with my German fried who is totally healthy and lives in a pretty small town with fresh spring water and few toxins. My friend did AI and had to do 7 rounds, despite no symptoms of any illness. So the number of rounds does not necessarily reflect symptoms.
My friend called Mr. G and he said the bionic is not likely to affect AI.
I will not be posting much as I feel as helpful as forums can be they can also keep one too focused on illness.
I will let you know when I resend my sample to AI.
Best wishes.
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Thank you for writing. Yes, I mean...this thread is thousands of posts long. I spent quite a bit of time reading, but just got lost in the multi-subject, cross-subjects and etc. You can pick a page in the middle of the thread, and find yourself in the middle of 20 responses to a question about almagrams from 2 pages before. Easy to get lost.
I do wish the AI people were more on point in responding. If it's a therapy that asks people to stop pharmaceutical treatment for an extended period of time--that's quite a big thing to ask, and it should be more clear.
Thanks again
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ok..back to reporting interesting regulations.
I have found in the past month that each time I test myself...and also when tested by others with ART at the 4 day seminar...I have completely open regulation. While others being tested have the traditional blocks that we were practicing learning to open.
Even today...feel like I am in the healing mode...and the balanced yin state for those who have taken ART....although it is hard to test yourself...and be accurate.
Anyone else with this...feel now as being very open , versus the past, always needing to do something to get their regulation open to test with the biotenser? Is this a possible AI regulation? I"m curious.
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LP, you said it well - to Michael V 5/14 at 11:08. I don't have the time to be as patient as you are - and I just say - please read the thread.
Open regulation: When the body and disease has become chronic, the autonomic nervous system is in chaos. The longer, the worse. Now you had many of the errors corrected with AI and there is order back in the system, you are open most the time and it is easy to test. It's like driving a car in a strange city - you make one wrong turn, and then follow it with another change in the wrong direction, and then again, and before you know it you are so totally lost --- you stop and turn ---- to AI and have them guide you back mile by mile, bottle by bottle. The mudd you collected by driving in the ditch and country road will have to be ---- detoxed, with some guidance.
When I first met Dr.K., I was blocked for a solid two years. He could open me temporarily for testing, but I snapped back into it very quickly. I was still too damaged by root canals and their toxins, etc., which was my major problem. A lot of what we know today was not known in 1998; it is a constant evolution. It took him much time to be able to open my regulation: to find the frequency of the toxin, or the frequency of the bacteria of the cause, or to find the remedy that would open the regulation because it is a good medicine.
Yes, you are well on your way. I don't know what you mean by "is this a possible AI regulation?" Every error that is removed with AI brings us closer to where the body is able to cope with exposures and then start to shed the toxins and start healing.
Now I am only blocked when some toxin comes out of hiding and I have not prepared by having enough binders on board. It is usually caused by metals that are being mobilized and can't find their way out quickly.
Take care.
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One thing that should be mentioned: If you continue to take supplements of any kind, since most of us were allergic to wheat/grains/soy/corn, many chemical groups, many mucor, fungi, many metals --- it stands to reason that you will have the symptoms that you had when taking them before AI also during some of the stages of taking AI.
Not all of these, especially the chemicals (involved in the process), can be eliminated with the first bottle. The damage caused by the leaky gut has to heal. All of that takes times. I was told it can take months and longer than a year to heal the gut.
If people who have done the therapy and have not adhered to the recommendations from AI, i.e. added more of the disagreeable substances to the body, rather than stopping them, that is their responsibility.
People who entered the therapy and did Bionic or other photon treatments probably hurt like we did when we finished photon treatments before AI. we were allergic and the body therefore unable to regulate any of the toxins the photons stir up. And do they ever stir things up!! I know because I was tested by the best following photon treatments and I had awakened every sleeping dog in my body, every virus that had gone dormant, I was pushing metals with the accompanying symptoms that nearly drove me insane. I vibrated for many months, day and night. I warned about photons on Lymenet, I warned the people who asked me, and most of you know how I was persecuted.
Let's just say- I know who I am, and whatever your attitude toward this or any other therapy, do your own thing. But don't blame others or the therapy, especially if you have not adhered to recommendations. AI will not ever tell you tonot do this or not do that. Common sense is applicable. You may need some help by a practitioner who can identify what is happening in your body, i.e. the metals are moving and you need to get busy with binders, etc. Read the Information booklet. It is very clear on the subject of life-supporting medications, or acute situations.
You may have some "deja vu" experiences - at least I had them, but they are short lived, seconds, minutes, 3-4 days that feels like an old ailment, but really isn't. I relived a hip pain that I had experienced years before. No reason for pain, just memory flashes.
Some of you entered this therapy still heavily loaded with toxins, and that does not make it easy if you add more to them. AI will start to clear things out, but you will need to help and support your organs. Make sure you read about liquids, about binders to catch neurotoxins of any kind, rather than tons of plain water. Plain water runs right through you and flushes out the few minerals many of us are lacking badly. Detoxing heavy metals without a good mineral base is impossible, even if AI is finished. You still need to make sure you do.
I copie a portion of the AI ``Patient Information for Bioenergetic Blood Analysis'' a day or so ago, where it is clearly explained what AI thinks about homeopathics, etc. Read it closely, read it twice. Anything translated from another language often loses some clarity.
It is very clear to me, AI has nothing to do with homeopathic type treatments, and it is better not to use them to avoid confusion for the system. Our system, after a few years or months of Lyme is very confused, and that means the chaos in the autonomic nervous system needs to be corrected before we can really heal.
All I can tell you, I feel superb and the toxic metals are still flowing out, with my help plus the various information I get from Dr.K., Dr.A.D. and their assistants. My major attention now continues to go to my husband. We had our second visit at www.pushing-boundaries.org for the first time today to hopefully rekindle some of the lost motor functions. Mr. HG told us within a months or two of starting AI that there are certain motor functions which my husband has to learn anew, just like a little child would when first learning to raise the shoulder, bend a knee, make a sawing motion, etc. He has mastered how to open a jar again! Infections can destroy.
I very much disagree with Ping's statement made earlier. That very question was the first question I asked HG. The corrections are permanent. All. Wheat, gluten and all. The healing starts with the first bottle and continues while all errors found are corrected and long thereafter.
In today's world, however, it is quite possible that the chemists will find a few new formulas that our body is not able to deal with and that may cause a new dysregulation. Vaccinations. I you have an accident and suffer something the body cannot deal with. New medicines and concoctions. That would be the time for me, if I noticed any such thing, that I would get a new therapy. Some people, I was told by another practitioner, do that a few years after the first therapy to be on the safe side. I asked this question regarding permanency at least five times from HG and others. Answer ``permanent''.
Take care.
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Gigi, what I meant to say is..."has the regulations with AI been what is now allowing my body to have open regulation more as a norm...now that my therapy is complete...? As I have not found myself blocked since then when testing..
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Hi J-Dog, I paid with a credit card about a month ago. Not sure if they have changed their policy. Could it be a problem with the credit cards you are using won't work for foreign purchases?
That's the only thing I can think of. Sorry no one has answered before this. Keep at it. I think it's worth it.
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I used paypal. I have heard of other German companies have problems with Visa for some reason.
I also used paypal every time I sent money for postage.
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I used paypal too - and my paypal is credit card funded if that makes any difference. Might make things simpler to just get a paypal account and then you could use your credit card that way.
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Question for anyone who has a child on AI -
SO far I haven't been giving my little ones anything for support - I'm wondering tho if other people did, and what they used? Or did you find it wasn't necessary? My 2 year old has started having quite extreme temper tantrums, so I'm wondering if it might be related. IT's a bit tricky to get anything into her regularly tho.
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My teenagers use no regular support...but I"m sure need some at times. although they do not complain or think any minor issue is related to the AI...but they are kids.! Hard for them to know.
You can test them with the biotenser...when you are sensing they may need something.
The times I "made them" take a support product...the items were either for liver support or detox support. When they had very bad symptoms of needing detox...and said they felt sick and were looking at over the counter meds...
When they complained about a headache, seemed dehydrated or when I saw unusual acne breakouts, or changes in their stool patterns. Those were signs for me to test them.
I suggest to have on hand some milk thistle, chlorella, apple pectin powder, electrolytes and liquid minerals. You can add some of these items to apple sauce or smoothies to get them to take them when you deem appropriate. Those were the most common items that tested well for them when I chose to test them.
Biopure's matrix minerals is used by many. My kids also test well for the Mango flavored Intramin mineral supplement. This was helpful to my daughter during the last few months. She felt great when she started that...took it once a day for a month or two as she was feeling low on energy previous to her taking it. I tested her and she was moving metals...so it was the right time to start that...at least 6 months after beginning AI.
In the beginning...my teens did go through some emotional issues, lots of tears, that I believe were related to AI. They are very even tempered now...months later.
During the therapy over the past year I have noticed them becoming more wiser...growing up...and making good choices...communicating so much better...and they have become free of past hurts that have weighed them down. NO more big melt downs when having to deal with big issues!
They will not say that this is the AI...but I can say that this is more than a coincidence....I am very please with their results so far...and they are not complete yet. I will be sure to post in the end of their treatment when I reflect on my observations.
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I have a 5 and 3 year old on it (finished our 4th round) and have been giving them 1/2 tsp (it comes with a small scoop) of Microsilica, some chlorella, fish oil, Vitamin D, Matrix Minerals and Vitamin K. I was thinking about giving them some of my Quintessence for support too, but need to read about if it can be given to kids, etc. I did notice that my son (he's the 5 year old) had a lot of tears while on the second round which is odd for him. His stomach gets upset sometimes on it too. My daughter was very sleepy the first round. I have not noticed a change, yet, in their food allergies, but my sons skin condition that came on after the chicken pox vaccine (yes, NOW I know that he shouldn't have ever had it so please know that!) finally went away after round 2 so we are thrilled.
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Thanks for sharing - my teenager has obvious detox symptoms, but isn't interested in taking anything else, so I leave her to it. My 2 youngest - 2 and 4 have definitely been more emotional, especially recently for my 2 year old. She wakes around 3 am almost every night for toast - but never eats it. Mainly just wants to hang out and chat with dad, who is a bit too comatose for conversation at that early hour. I do hear him talking sweetly to her, but I'm guessing he's not taking in much of what she says in her 2 year old lingo I wondered if waking at that time was a sign of liver stress? DIdn't someone say that in this thread somewhere? IF so then - Milk thistle? Is that ok for a 2 year old? I could probably get a tincture into her if needed. SHe's been quite the cling on child lately - just like velcro Also not her style - I've got a cold tho, so she may have a bit of one with no obvious symptoms. I'm fairly certain it's a cold too - came in on a passing teenager and now a bunch of us are sick. Passing bugs can create quite an interesting time around here with our big family - 7 + and extra teenager and my aunt. Once one goes down we just hope like heck that my dh and I don't both get hit hard at once.
One exciting improvement that came with the 2nd round (forgive me if I already posted this - my memory is terrible) My 7 year old has stopped wetting the bed. THere is a huge family history of bed wetting - 12 years old for both my parents, and both my brothers. WIth the first round he went from wetting frequently, but with some dry nights, to wetting every single night. SOmewhere in the 2nd round tho he just stopped. I think he's wet once only in the past month. Laundry mountain just got a little smaller
our third round has just arrived - I was thinking of waiting to get over this cold, but I don't know if I want to wait that long - coughs often hang around for me - I have tended towards an asthma cough - only having issues when I get sick, but then having trouble kicking it after. I may just jump right in.....
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Dear Friends,
Waiting to send a sample to AI for a new test, as I was supposedly done, but was taking Intrinsic Factor, which could have skewed the results.
I've been taking the BioRay Liver Life for about two weeks at a very low dose, and added BioRay NDF Plus a few days ago. I also decided to use their CytoFlor product to help with getting bad bacteria out of the intestine and good bacteria re-established.
It's been kind of rough--still need a nap every day at an unpredictable time, easily upset at times, a couple of patches of nausea (meant I was at too high a dose, according to their info), brain fog rolling through.
I've been taking chlorella, charcoal, ground flax seed, Bentonite clay, and pectin as binders as often as possible.
Hope things improve soon!!
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Often when you think "cold", viral bits often surface when we start detoxing -- detoxing anything, because virus is also part of the total ecosystem. I would not worry about it. I can tell when testing, if Vit A tests (I keep that in my test kit for that purpose), you deal with a viral flare-up. I would not worry. So are caughs. The toxins have to find an outlet somewhere. We have never stopped drops to wait out anything. It is all part of the AI event that will be going on for weeks and months. I was concerned when I dislocated my ellbow recently, because an injury while in the middle of detox (AI) is tough. And I felt it in my joints and bones. But that is past. Detox while a physical injury is not recommended. The body needs all efforts to be directed at the injury. But, it took me a while to figure that out, I can't stop the process once it has started with AI -- it is ongoing.
Sounds all good, Skiesmama. Emotional release seems to be a dominant factor and I think emotional conflicts are at the base of most disease. Dr.K. invites all patients to a place once a month or every other when he is in town where he does Family Constellation. That is one of his favorite treatment modalities. Everybody pays a small fee for the room and people participate as family stand-ins. Read up on it everybody, if you are not familiar with it When Bert Hellinger, the founder of this, holds a seminar in Germany, easily a couple thousand people come.
Dr. K. asked me to transcribe a DVD of such a program once, so that he had it in written form. I could barely make it through this display of a family history - and now I think DK asked me to do that for my own therapy because I avoided Family Constellations. Some of the corrections made with AI is the memories that has been engraved onto our DNA - fear of Lyme, fear of any new/old symptom, and it's best to stay away from this exposure, especially here on LN - where there seems to nothing exist any longer in this world but Lyme. It took me a few years to realize how I ate, slept and lived Lyme 24/7, every minute. HG has mentioned that fact to me and his concern many times during various talks, that people are so entrenched in the situation. I am certain that is part of the reasons that we begin to lose friends and sometimes family ------ HG tells me he has had many tickbites - ( he would be the going- fo- a- walk-the- woods person-)--- Also one of his family members had Lyme a few years ago. Couldn't attend school and sports, but is totally fine now.
Just talking a bit and getting ready for bed - we cut down a huge Laurel that was taking our small vegetable garden ---- Lot of work - and desperately waiting for my husband to be able to take part in the garden again.
Hoping everyone will wake up to a sunny Sunday!
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Gettin, let Dr.K. tell you about the smoothies his students make for their chlorella babies in Germany. Add fruit, sweet, with chlorella. Children on chlorella develop beautiful dental arches - and chlorella is a most complete food. I posted a week or so ago about the nutrient value of it - can't remember which thread it was. Sorry. Children detox much, much easier without a lot of extras. It is easiest if you are able to test them (tensor, pendulum, muscle), as LP does. Though I only offer testing to my children only if I am asked!!!! (I know better.)
You could make a lot of "jello" with pectin and different fruit juices and top it off with some whipping cream. That takes care of binders.
I make jams with pectin and don't feel guilty about it. We cannot live without glucose - our brain cells die!! I have never avoided sugar throughout our Lyme/abx process and never had a problem with candida. Everything in moderation.
I grind up an apple in a little blender, add a bit of juice and pectin - we have that often with breakfast.
Take care.
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Lovely ideas for children's natural detox, Gigi!
Cass A, I sympathise with how you are at present....soooo familiar: hope you come out the other side soon,
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I understand about not being on an elimination diet while on AI, but what I don't get is, while your body is re-regulating and trying to clear itself of a wheat or egg allergy, for example, do you still consume wheat or eggs as the gut is trying to heal while you are on the AI drops?
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If something is bothering you...do not eat it! But you do not need to avoid the offending substance altogether for regulation to happen...or for your gut to heal.
Eating wheat or egg will not stop your gut from healing...but may cause you some symptoms if your body is not recognizing those substances yet...I believe. That is our experience.
Things that used to bother us...(foods)...we found did not by accident! When the only food was pizza...my daughter who was allergic to tomatoes, cheese and wheat...ate it...and had no bad reactions...no hives or open sores on mouth nor no stomach ache or diareah...
She still does not make a habit of eating the things she remembers as harmful. But notices she does not have bad reactions anymore to dairy, wheat, gluten, or acidic fruits.
WE find the best choices...are always the whole food choices...not the processed choices that our kids crave. You will do well to add more of the whole foods...instead of the elimination diet when you feel they can handle them.
IN previous threads there was in depth discussion n what is actually lurking in our food supply...and the problem with what we feed our cattle and poultry...causing disruptions eventually in our body when we consume unnatural things thinking we are getting wholesome food.
So stay as natural as possible in what you consume I would recommend.
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Don't avoid the substance, but don't binge on it either.
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Another thought about foods...
I found as our guts were beginning to heal (they are still healing), we were not able to digest foods correctly, and needed digestive enzymes regularly for a digestive aid.
At that time, in the beginning of the therapy...we were taking lots of smoothies and found that my kids were able to digest them easier and feel better immediately with "liquids" versus solids.
This has finally changed...over time. Although liquids are always more easily absorbed for them...as they are athletes...they utilized their storehouse of energy/nutrients very rapidly...so they would literally feel the smoothies that I made for them with all my "green" juices, etc....very beneficial. Immediate mental focus and strength...in 15 minutes.
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Can you share a smoothie recipe made with "green juices"?
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Yes, LP, I'd love a glance at your green juice smoothie recipe.
I am having terrible GERD right now along with anxiety and fuzzy thinking. This was very much part of the beginning of Lyme for me, so I hate it.
I wonder if in the beginning of AI, the terrain is being swept into order. Now that I am probably dumping heavy metals in Round #5, I wonder if the tougher gut symptoms are from that dysequilibrium.
Physical energy is a little better than with the flu, but mental energy and gut are yucky. The symptoms are not passing quickly.
Any one have similar experience with symptom flares?
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Wise, please take chlorella, chlorella, chlorella of every kind. Plus pectin, pectin, pectin. I had to take from 1 - 9 capsules of activated charcoal, for a day or 2, and then zero. The toxins feel miserable when they are being recirculated. Gut takes time to heal until things can run more smoothly. You cannot, cannot take drops and go without binders.
You can grind the chlorella into apples with some pectin. Add apple juice to liquify it. Let the apples start turning a little brown (helpful enzymes).
I use a 3-cup chopper EHC650 Black & Decker for under $20. Last ones I got at Walgreens and Amazon. Walmart carried it for years, but not lately. It is the simplest one, small, easy to clean in a minute. Dr.K. has asked me for another one because he gives them away. I use it for all, adding fibers (veggies) to smooth soups, for raw potato pancake batter to detox concoctions. Fruit/pectin/organic whip cream deserts - takes seconds (unless you want fruity butter).
You can start with a basic organic chicken broth (I make it or get it at Trader Joes) and grind raw veggies into it (or steamed left overs) and warm the soup a bit = lots of absorbing fiber.
This type of liquid gives you the nutrients and liquid (instead of plain water, which runs right through you taking the few minerals that you still have with it) that you need.
Let your imagination fly!
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I have a vitamix blender...that pulverizes all fruits and veggies., minus the seeds or core...so we get the fiber..this is helpful to the body. I highly recommend purchasing one of these type blenders. Very easy to use and practical. Especially if you need more than one serving.
I also use it to make instant soups....right in the blender...it gets hot!!!also can make healthy slushies in minutes! (this is not an infomercial!)
I use the whole produce in my mixes.
It is not recommended to mix many fruits and veggies together as digestion is harder...but apples and lemons are no problem mixed with veggies.
I make two varieties...one is mostly fruits and the other mostly vegetables...I also change it up depending on what I have fresh in the frig. But secret is to always have frozen fruits and the vitagreen powdered mix in your house for the days you dont have the fresh veggies.
My kids like the fruit one the best.
1 cup of purified water 1 cup of frozen blueberries(or fresh) 1 cp of frozen strawberries (or fresh) 1/2 apple banana optional(if I have one in) I find the banana/apple hids flavors of the vitagreens. 1 scoop of vitagreen...(from Whole food) 1 scoop flax seed 1 tbsp omega 3-6 oil electrolyte mix or selectrolytes 1tbsp.
Green Veggie Smoothie
one cup purified water several leaves of Organic Kale(rip off center tough stalk) large handful of organic spinach 1 stalk of celery (or 1 scoop vitagreen if no fresh vegies) 1 scoop flax seed and/or 1 T omega 3-6 oil 1 organic carrot 1/2 red apple (cuts the strong green flavor) 1 whole lemon...no rind or seeds electrolytes...1 tbsp selectrolytes or whatever you use.
I don't stick to quantities....I just whip it up...taste it and adjust to meet the kids tastes.
You can also add some binders etc...use your own imagination...
I add fresh garlic to my own smoothies...but that flavor is not good for the kids tastes.
We tend to drink these in the warmer weather with seasonal fruits.veggies. I used to pick my kids up from school and give them each a smoothie on the way to their second swim practice of the day...they swam great with this...and recovery was excellent after practice when they took these. They made me bring my blender to all their travel meets...so they had their energy smoothie before big races.
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Thanks for the recipes, lp. Can't wait to try.
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Thanks for the recipes, lp. Can't wait to try.
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Gigi -- thank you for the binders reply. Did this reaction happen to you too?
I had stopped taking any form of supplement because my gut is so sensitive and I feel so awful. Really achey and woozy and nauseous. Part of this is the flu; the other part, no doubt, is not the flu. My boys are just now getting better.
I'll keep you posted in what I hope will be change for the better.
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Wise, I suggested the small blender because you can use it to make your cocktail of the few things you can take. A little juice (a few Tbsps) into it open any type of capsule, powder, pectin, artemesinin for biofilm, interfase, microsilica, phospholipids, most of it would get lost in a big blender container. Whatever tests and fits the purpose, goes into the cocktail.
As of this time, I do most everything with grapefruit juice as part of the cocktail. Prepared for AM and PM - all in one, and it's done and also avoiding the gelatine capsules.
No, I rarely had these difficult reactions. Because starting with the first complaint, I was told to "get a handful of chlorella and then we will talk about it". I learned that it always, with few exceptions, always came down to being careless with binders. The pattern: we feel not too great, rest and do nothing, rest some more and do nothing. And by then we feel really bad, or really wake up feeling worse. Now before I take my husband for physical training, I load him up with binders. Because I know, the body will start screaming for them before he is halfway through the training hour.
Plain water is not doing it. Neither does lemon water much, except over-alakalinizing. It's fine for the moment, but the binder is what is needed.
If I take an agent that turns the detox on, if it is as effective as the AI drops, the binders need to follow rather quickly throughout most of the day and before going to bed. Not preparing for this will backfire. I think I finally learned at least this.
Feel bad haven't made it back to you -- our children came this morning bringing us Sunday breakfast! With babies and dog and prepared food ...... there went half the day with some great fun!The shoebox size dollhouse of my childhood was unpacked and Thomas' train started to buzz over the carpets --- tiny little daisy heads were picked from the lawn and brought in to be put in little vases --- while a raccoon slowly moved across the garden as if it owned the place -- what a glorious Sunday!
Glad your boys are doing better and I know you also will get over the rough spots soon. Just remember the arsenal of binders!
Take care.
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Wiser...
Sorry you are experiencing those flu symptoms! Daughter just got over the flu after two weeks...(since we met at the seminar)...and it was a brutal strain...very high fever...severe body aches...dehydration...diarea...headache... was quarantined at school and missed her final exam.
Had to try her on homeopathy to stop it finally. I was hoping it would just run its course without adding anything. In one day fever dropped with the homeopathy treatment. But now, as she is home, has a lingering deep chest cough...the cough has been over a week. So 3 weeks of lingering effects...
As you say...I believe part is flu related and part is not...She is nearing the end phasae I believe of AI, and was thinking this possibly may be a part of a final clearing? Seems that many report a big reaction at the end...like a final push.
This flu reminds me of in her childhood... after her first tick bite...she had severe flu symptoms with croup.....that lingered for many weeks. Interesting I had that memory...not sure of any relationship to AI...but want to report what she is experiencing.
She now tests for loads of binders...and Apple cider vinegar!
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I'm chomping more chlorella and apple pectin like a madwoman. Too early to tell how it will work; I'd stopped taking stuff when my gut was in such pain. Guess that was the wrong thing to do.
Is is okay to take charcoal simultaneously? I was thinking of adding it tonight before bed.
Gigi, a couple months ago I invested in a Blendtec blender which has a flat bottom that makes it very easy to rubber-bowl scrape into a glass as well as clean. It sounds like the airport, but boy can it blend! THanks for the information on the three cup chopper; I'll look around for it. I'm geared up for the raw veggie/chicken soup blending festival!
Gigi, what is "interfase?" Also, I have very good Artemesian capsules from Dr. Zhang -- do you think they will be okay to blend into a drink? I also have Zhang's Allicin capsules which cause one to smell strongly of garlic -- perhaps the chlorella will counteract that. I cannot drink grapefruit juice due to skin reactions, so I'll put it into cranberry water with frozen fruit.
My stomach is protesting about the Matrix minerals right now. Guess that it's okay not to take them while I'm popping so many binders -- they might get absorbed anyway.
I am ordering phospholipids and microsilica despite the $$. I have apple pectin tablets and have had to order the powder that no one seems to have in the stores.
LP, I'm having my first green shake tonight!
So, I'm still in the game, but I feel pretty rugged, flu-ish and spacey. Herr G wrote and said "It is the changeover of the body..." Oh boy is it ever!
Once again, thank you LP and Gigi for your clear support. I'm surfin' on the chaos and hoping for the best,
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Are you still on the AI protocol yourself or have you cleared. I understand even if you are done with AI, it takes time for the body to get "back to normal."
Just wondering how many rounds you have had to take.
Thanks. Have a great day.
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Good chart to have on hand. Maybe add your own discoveries to the different sections.
Be back tomorrow - heading for dreamland now!
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Hello all,
3 months, no drops. It has been up and down, mostly in terms of energy. Pretty much a roller coaster. One day up, next day dragging.
If you have malabsorption, leaky gut, digestive issues, have your mineral base checked.
I just got my hair test results and although I have managed to dump some heavy metals, my mineral base is practically non-existent.
With the exception of zinc, molybdenum, germanium and selenium, they all look pretty bad.
I have been supplementing with the Core and Matrix Minerals but there is much work to be done in that area. Dr. A. D. is adding more minerals to what I am taking.
As I write this there is a Baltimore Oriole hanging upside down, trying to drink from my hummingbird feeder. If you know birds, it doesn't fit. Very comical.
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Wiseforit, since you mentioned artemesinin -- the following is the reason for the grapefruit juice. Excerpt from Dr.K's "A look Beyond Antibiotics (2004):
"Artemisinin provokes the intestinal wall to secrete an enzyme which destroys the medication before it can be absorbed. This process builds up over 3 weeks. After a one week pause the enzyme has disappeared and takes another 3 weeks to reemerge. Grapefruit juice prevents formation of this enzyme."
Back later.
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I wondered if waking at that time was a sign of liver stress? DIdn't someone say that in this thread somewhere? IF so then - Milk thistle? Is that ok for a 2 year old? I could probably get a tincture into her if needed. SHe's been quite the cling on child lately - just like velcro ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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