NanaDubo
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Hiker - here is my experience with hair tests and the like. I had one last year that showed zilch in the way of metals. The guy from the lab thought it was awesome but I knew it was not. They don't leave in a matter of months and I knew they should be showing up if they were leaving.
Since that time, I have seen a skilled ART practitioner and she knew instantly that I had a mineral deficiency and put me on KPU treatment - no test involved.
It wasn't until I had been on it for at least 5 months that things started to change. A subsequent hair test showed much more in the way of metals.
It's a real balancing act with the minerals - one that I am still working on.
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Skies, Giardia is a protozoa = parasite. Just one of the ones that can invade us. That is why it is important to treat parasites early on. Figuring out exactly which one or ones we are dealing with is difficult, because labs are inadequate. If toxic, parasites are part of it. I heard that from DK ten years ago. Most doctors are asleep at the switch when it comes to chronic problems. Sorry it is so. Glad you are getting tested.
AI is waking up the immune system.
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Is anyone using the silver-coated mosquito netting (sleep sanctuary)? I have been using it for three weeks and find my sleep is deeper and I get more of it. Am also working on de-EMFing my house.
Thanks Gigi for your reply. My hair is on its way to Eidon and I am upping the ante on the liquid minerals.
My gut feeling tells me the metabolic typing would just add more stress to the equation.
I know I'll be on the AI drops a while. As Robert Frost once said, "I have miles to go before I sleep."
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I had thought that it wasn't advisable to treat for parasites this early on. We are waiting for round 4 - are we far enough in to do a parasite cleanse?
Also - prior to a parasite cleanse - taking a food based mineral drink - is that just feeling the parasites?
Can someone reccomend a good parasite cleanse?
I'm also dealing with children - my 2 year old has diarhoea again.
RIght now we're giving the kids nutrabiotic and or oregano oil - depending on the day and the kid and what is easiest to get into them.
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Premier Research Labs has a good parasite cleanse -- Paracidin for the big guys and Parastat for the amoebas and giardia . . . but you need to take gall bladder complex with the Paracidin to kill the eggs in the gall bladder duct and you need to support the kidneys as well. One definitely needs to muscle test for doseage on this and ask the co. to send directions. Parastat is a 30 day cleanse and sheets and clothing must be washed using Oxyclean to kill eggs.
With Parastat a castor oil pack needs to be done three times a week (with heat) over colon area -- this hatches the eggs so the Parastat can kill them. Again kidney support a must.
The reps at PRL are helpful but please be aware that the doses on this stuff is higher than one might imagine -- Humaworm twice a day? I don't think that does much. It may kill some bugs but it doesn't make much of an impact. Also psyllium contains gluten.
Good things,
Lex
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Has anyone had IVIG while using AI? Anyone have thoughts on that. It's "physical", not "homeopathic", but gosh, it's DNA from a bunch of other people put in your veins.
I am on the path to be starting IVIG soon, but did want to do AI.
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Parasite treatment is probably not a good thing when barely started at AI.
I also would not use any killing agents, such as oregano oil or similar while doing AI. The natural forces of the body are taking over when doing AI and all else is too much.
I would Stick with binders, especially for children, such as chlorella. Pectin - make tasty deserts out of it. You can do this with a healthy juice every day or mixed into berries that are now fresh everywhere. You could make smoothies with chlorella in it - and apple juice an more fruits added.
Feeding children what they don't like backfires -- that has been my lifelong experience. It usually brings zero results.
AI is not supposed to be mixed with other therapies unless a doctor who can test or understands the protocol stands by.
If it were me, I definitely would not consider IVIG.
Take care.
No, I am not a doctor - and the decision is yours alone.
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I just wanted to chime in that between the BioPure p. chlorella and LiverLife, my pain level has dropped more than 50%! It is really amazing. (I'm not endorsing products here...) Charcoal helped with bladder symptoms, but chlorella has really helped with flu-like aches and joint aches. LiverLife seems to be helping with the tinnitis too.
The chlorella I had gotten from WHole Foods was totally useless and I was in horrible metals-recirculating pain until I got the better chlorella. I feel almost human again!
Got a long way to go, but I had to shout out the good news of feeling so much better. I'm still sweating like crazy, but at least I'm not hindered by pain and exhaustion from too much pain.
Round #6 is going much more smoothly. Even my vision is a little better. I still have discomforts, but they are so much more do-able. Thank you Gigi, Nano, LP and everyone for stressing the importance of the binders and liver support!!!
Best to all,
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Wise, that makes me feel better too!
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That's great news wiser. I had a feeling the chlorella you had wasn't doing you any good.
So glad you are feeling better.
Happy Father's Day to the dads.
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Hmmmm. Maybe I need to up the Chlorella?????
Anyone on the Bio Pure liquid or the Bio Ray stuff? the liquid sounds easier to digest.
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All Bioray stuff has other detox pushers in it, such as cilantro. You do not want to use anything that pushes more metals forcefully. You want only binders that bind what your body is now able to release.
For people who have never done effective detoxing to speak of and are still, as indicated by feeling miserable, very toxic, they should only be taking the chlorella tablets or powder at least three times a day, 1/2 hour b e f o r e the meal, plus - without fail - lots of chlorella of the same kind before going to bed.
Sometimes, if things are really feeling miserable, charcoal before bed - 3-4-5-6-7 capsules depending on how you feel and of course testing.
Liver Life is good for liver support. I would not do NDF or NDF plus if you have never detoxed for any length of time.
You should at least take a little hand full of chlorella when you feel out of sorts. 6-8 pills plus more.
Watch that you do not get constipated --- that would be counterproductive. Drink a tea or get some Trifal or meds from the chinese - anybody that sells some of the chinese herbal products helpful when constipated. Take digestive enzymes with it. You have got to capture the toxins or meet them again and again and again. That is the purpose for binders.
And throw in some Betasitosterol - it is not expensive and does a good job as a binder. And again the pectin that can easily be added to juices and does a good job binding.
T H E R E IS N O EFFECTIVE DETOXING WITHOUT B I N D E R S !
And/or use some of the clay products.
Take care.
P.S. The first thing Dr. K. would always tell me when I frantically called - "take a handful of chlorella - then we will talk". Please get the message. Sitting on your butt suffering is not the answer. Do something about it --- such as taking binders. If you don't do well with two chlorella - take ten. Read the Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol by Dr. K. - it's all over the internet.
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I wish I only knew then what I know now. Well, If I did I wouldn't have gone hiking on Shelter Island :} Okay,. the answer to the question is just up your dose when you feel like Hell. Gonna order mas more. THANKS
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About the chorella, if it is so important, I need to ask for more details.
I know someone who used to have a machine that could test mercury levels in things. From this, I know that chlorella sold in health food stores, at least as of a few years ago, all has pretty high levels of mercury in it. I expect this is partly because it is good at soaking up mercury. But, it makes me wonder how helpful it is to take that stuff.
Anyone knowing that a particular chlorella has really helped them, I'd love to know what brand it is, where you purchased it.
wiseforit--Which of the BioPure do you use--the pyrenoidosa? How did you choose which kind, and how did you choose the BioPure brand? I don't see much information on their website regarding their products.
GiGi--Care to share what brand you have found so helpful? Do you consider the chlorella as a binder, or helpful for some other reason?
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Gigi - I wouldn't be taking any oregano oil or GSE or anything like that, but I've had a bout of vomiting 4 times in the past month. If it's giardia then what would you recomend I do instead?
The rest of my family has had symptoms - including my aunt who is not on AI - I can't do nothing. This last round of vomiting really scared me - the pain was indescribable and there was blood. My gut tells me that there's is something else going on - that needs attention now.
I understand that taking these things routinely isn't advised, but this feels like a crisis. I really want to do the right thing - and I don't know what that is.
I just know I can't keep on with violent vomiting once a week.
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And Lex - thanks for the recomendation for the cleanse- I'll hold off until I have a better idea of what is needed.
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Skiesmama, please follow the advice of your doctor. This is not something to self-treat.
Hope you get through this quickly.
Take care.
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I have read this AI Thread repeatedly and have gotten so much wonderful help and suggestions from the people on the thread.
I also attended a Dr. K conference in NYC -- which is where I got a BioPure flier -- and he spoke at length about the different types of chlorella.
Even though Gigi, NanaDubo and LP have talked to me about different support products, having the BioPure ad in my hand helped me visually piece their ideas together.
I was slow to follow-up on the chlorella advice and used an inferior brand that did not help me. Boy, do I regret that!
The pyrenoidosa is supposed to be a really good metal detox mopper. I've been warned that the vulgaris may be less harsh on the stomach yet not as strong a mopper of toxins as the pyrenoidosa. I am not an expert on any of this, since I'm new to it, but to date the pyrenoidosa hasn't bothered my stomach.
I am thankful, grateful and relieved!
Good luck in your path,
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MichaelTampa,
I learned in 1998 about chlorella from Dr. K. I think he is really the one who learned about this through his research and because he treats only the sickest people --
He searched for years for the cleanest chlorella. Much of chlorella is grown by many everywhere and then taken to a collecting point as is done with much of the fruit and the cattle in Chicago! You never know where it comes from and how it is grown. He searched and found this years ago, the same as he searched for years for the best organic garlic. Biopure carries some of the products that he recommends to patients. He cannot afford to take a chance on bad products because his patients would suffer. They are constantly tested for purity.
I will take his word for it any time, because following his advice - that is how I got well from Lyme.
But please feel free to check out other sources. There must be others.
Take care.
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The BioRay site states that a very high percentage of the commercially available chlorella is contaminated with metals. As I recall, it was 6 out of 8 or so.
He doesn't recommend a brand of chlorella, however--only states that his products have chlorella in them that's been tested.
The only other site I've found making that claim is BioPure.
If anyone knows any others, it would be good to have the data.
Best,
Cass A
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My daughter and I got our first round of drops today!
Tra-la-tra-la-tra-la!!!
All of our test results are in the high yellow or red areas. Tons of energetic blockages in spine areas as well as subconscious and inherited blockages.
And of course, lots of recirculating toxins. No surprise there.
Will start taking this afternoon.
Tra-la!
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Good luck, thejoje: hope you both do well on AI therapy.
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Good news...welcome to the club thejoje and daughter! Let us know how you feel as you progress! lp
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psr1,
I have taken both Sun Chlorella and Biopure's various chlorella products. Both are good for me when I test. Recently I have been testing to use bioure's chlorella with electrolytes. They have different varieties to choose from. But I cannot verify purity, just going by what others recommended to me initially and what tests well energetically. So far so good.
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thejoje:
Yes, good luck!
I just paid for the therapy yesterday and also then sent in the sample. Curious how long it took you to get your drops from the time you sent in your sample?
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Michael, It took 18 days from the time we sent in our samples, but I understand that there was a big German holiday in there somewhere.
Good luck to you too!
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I'm out west...it usually takes 15 days from the day I mail the new sample to the day I receive my new drops and brief report.
Probably a little longer for the first sample and for the extensive report to be produced.
Good luck! Nutmeg
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We have been doing 14 bottles and not one of them arrived within the same time frame as the next. Mail within Germany takes one day. Mail between US and Germany can take as long as 25 days to 4 days. The US Postal Service and DHL (now only in Europe, no longer in the US) do not work well together. I guess we will have to live with it as is. We basically think of doing one bottle per month if you mail your saliva sample in on day 15. That cuts it close, but it averages out in the long run.
Take care.
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How far into the AI protocol should one consider doing a parasite cleanse?
Lex
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Since I have no idea what your situation with toxic levels (metals, chemicals, leaky gut problems) is, I would think relax and see what happens. Usually parasites are showing up when metals are starting to move. It depends how dysregulations have affected you. You can probably tell by your first test, and how much work your body now has to do to clear the errors. One thing at a time -- this is not the time to add more of a load. It's best in the beginning to just role with it and depending on your condition to add binders and liquids.
Take care.
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Hi all. Just taking a quick poll here. My test results showed 23 spinal energetic blockages. Daughter has 24.
Is this in the very abnormal category, or do most of you have quite a few blockages as well?
Thanks.
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Bottle #12 arrived today: 12 energetic blockades.
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It always sounds like everyone is blocked, allergic to everything, etc.
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Seekhelp, that is how all the problems started. Nothing in the body was working any longer and the immune system's gone to sleep.
This therapy changes that.
I just sent in for my grandchildren and daughters-in-law! One of my boys just finished the therapy and now the others get the message. Why suffer?
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Just completed Round #6 and have sent saliva sample.
Did anyone experience feeling overheated and dizzy-ish all the time? I'm not sweating as much, but feel overwhelmingly hot even in airconditioning!
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thejoje - I had 9 blockages in the spine. 3 lumbar which were involved in compression fractures.
wiser - my ND told me a long time ago that my feeling of feeling overheated related to too much liver heat (Chinese medicine).
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NanaDubo -- I started taking Liver Life and am up to a whopping 5 drops a day (not so whopping, I know..) Do you think that is tweaking the old Liver Heat? Should I back off a bit? I have a nagging back of head ache too with this.
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I just purchased Beta-Sitosterol -- which lists 392 mg Beta-Sitosterol, 200 mg. Campesterol and 144 mg Stigmasterol.
Haven't opened it yet since the other two ingredients besides beta were unknowns to me. The brand is manufactured by NOW BRANDS... the only brand the store had.
Suggested usage is 2 caps 3 times daily with meals.
Anyone familiar with this?
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thejoje,
As a whole we have 7 Cervical vertebrae
We have 12 Thoracic Vertebrae
We have 5 Lumbar vertebrae
Totaling together 24 vertrebrae in all
If your test shows C4 - 7: that means what you have a blockage in C4, 5, 6, &7 = 4 blockages
If your test also shows TH9 - 12: that means you have a blockage in thoracic 9, 10, 11, &12 = or 4 blockages
If your test also shows L4 - 5: that means you have a blockage in L4 and L5 = 2 blockages
Red x in Steissbein = 1 blockage
Red x in Kreuzbein = 1 blockage
Totaling 12 energetic blockages in the spine. These are energetic blockages which disturb the flow of energy and thereby generating pain symptoms
This is how it was explained to me. Just insert your numbers and you will get the total.
I have often heard that emotions are stored in the spine. I have also heard that memory of pain is stored in the spine. Probably a mix of both. In any case, the polarity was corrected in this area with your first bottle and the releases should follow. That is my interpretation of it, but the explanation of the numbers are from AI.
Take care.
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Patricia Kane's Elyte company sells a chlorella that is made in a test tube in Germany -- she claims it's the purest on the planet but alas, it contains mag stearate!
Has anyone tried Chitopower? It's supposed to be the most powerful type of chitosan, passes blood brain barrier, grabs the bacteria and takes it out the colon. I spoke to a distributor who had MS/Lyme and used to fall when she tried to walk but she said the Chitopower is what did it for her. I have started taking it two hours after raw egg yolks. If you tell the co. that you have Lyme, they'll give a discount.
Is anyone else taking raw egg yolks? Dr. K. said in his ART I DVD that the German remedy for heavy metals is 6 a day. Natural phospholid therapy.
I don't think there is any chlorella sold in a health food store that is really safe to take no matter how cute the packaging might be.
One last question, anyone using the Takara foot pads? I really like them. They are available on Amazon.
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Wise, The ingredients all seem to be the same in the different brands. I used Pharmax when I still needed them. Now was always a good brand. Compare size and price and you should be okay. If you find one without Mag stearate (to avoid more biofilm), I would pick that one. But I have not found one yet.
Be sure that you do not get constipated with any of the binders.
And I used to take more than just one. Wish you could learn to test yourself.
Take care.
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Thanks about the binders and the beta. I've been using Vern's bobber every day on everything I take. It's getting a little easier, but I'm not trusting it entirely yet.
I'll try the beta tomorrow; the bobber likes it for me today.
Best.
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Wise, I forgot - take the betasito one half hour before meals and at bedtime. Not with the meal! And it is a good idea to always alternate with other binders, so the body does not start to turn against it.
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Gigi, Thanks for the spinal info. I get it now. Daughter and I are both loaded with these blockages and glad to get the polarity corrected in this round.
By the way, how do we know what gets corrected in which round?
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thejoje, Everythingthat is marked in the first 16 page report has been corrected. All of them. Now the immune systems starts to recognize that good wheat is good wheat, that metals neeed to be detoxed, and that fungi needs to be recgonized as for what it is, some good, some badf. The leaky gut caused by any of these dysregulations, however, needs time to heal and the toxins will start to move. If you give it the proper support, liquids, etc. and rebuilding of your mineral base which is most likely not in the best shape because of malabsorption, you should start to feel better. Finding out what you are missing is important, because if you do not have the good minerals, you can't get rid of the bad ones (toxic metals/minerals).
When you get your next test back and it tells you a certain number of chemicals and/or blockages found, that means they were corrected. Some of the chemicals may play a part in many of the foods you eat or have eaten, and it may take time to find all that your body cannot deal with. Hayfever is not caused by pollen, but by chemicals in/on the pollen. That is why it will take probably a numbr of test/bottles to clean up and correct all the errors in your DNA. So it is a slow process, because not all can be found and corrected at one time. The body cannot handle all at once - the organs could not deal with all the fallout. You will be able to tell when your body is working hard when you get tired more easily and need more down time.
In short, whatever is found at the time of testing, is being corrected at the same time. It's like moving a switch, i.e. changing the polarity from minus to plus or vice versa, whatever it is supposed to be. Some day I am going to go overthere and watch it being done. The drops are infused with the correct frequency/polarity and your body makes note of it when you drink them. Energy medicine at its best. Energy first, then biochemistry. It's easier to understand why some people know to bless their food before they eat.
Take care.
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Wiser - I don't know if Liverlife cranks up the heat or not. I still use it sometimes but am taking a combo of Chinese herbs specifically for the heat issue.
If you built up to 5, maybe try backing down to 4 for awhile.
Headaches can be liver related but can also be a million other things. If you are releasing metals there can be aches and pains.
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Very encouraging information, Gigi. It helps me to be more positive now that I know that my polarity errors are being corrected with every drop I take.
I've started to get blisters on the tops of my knuckles. I'm assuming that there's nasty stuff inside. (I'm very tempted to pop them so they don't get reabsorbed.)
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Quick questions: Do metals get released in a certain order? For example, alumunum among the first and mercury last?
My hair analysis showed some release of aluminum and arsenic some time ago, but my biotensor has never wanted chorella even with the release of arsenic and aluminum. Now it is wanting it big time and I am wondering if mercury is coming out now as well? It would be great if this were the case as I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
However, the chorella is doing a number on my stomach!
Also intersting that AI did not show aluminum or arsenic as a problem.
Thanks. Lee
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