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Dear Wiser and JoJe
Thanks for the tip on who would know about the recording of the seminar Dr. K gave!
The brand of dermal magnesium I got from my MD is DermaMag, a magnesium chloride oil. I find that I need to thoroughly wash the areas where I apply it at least every 2 days, or it starts itching. Otherwise, no adverse effects at all. And, I don't get the horrific leg and foot cramps, either.
Joje, I've personally used some killing agents between rounds, as needed. Parasite cleanses and more binders are OK while on the drops.
You should actually ask the AI person about your specific ones. Get your questions written up as simply as possible, use an on-line translator, and then email them.
I don't think there's any specific point where lead is tested for with AI--it comes up when it comes up. After I was on the drops for almost a year, I got a Doctor's Data urine test that showed high levels of lead coming out of my body. Just because it's there doesn't mean your body is ready to deal with it.
Hope this helps!
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I am interested in this discussion, especially because of GiGi's recommendations, but I am not really sure what this is all about. Are there some specific posts that summarize the discussion here?
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I really could kick myself for erasing my last dozen posts because someone on the site told me if I mentioned Dr. K I would get my wrists slapped.
I am not a happy camper when I'm gagged and from now on I will not take such advice.
I'm on Round Nine -- I don't like it.
A colleague tested me with ART and I tested well for for all four parasite drugs (six week program). Now I just need a dr. to prescribe them. I was supposed to have a phone consult with my doc last nite at 5 but he never called.
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Hi Lex,
It was me who sent you the PM. I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying...... You can mention Dr. K as much as you like (I do!! and nor will I stop talking about him:). I was just suggesting to not type his full name because you can get in trouble, instead only use Dr. K.
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In all of the AI reports I have gotten, heavy metals were only listed in the first report. That was January of 2009. However, I hung on to some lead until January of 2011. It may not come out all at once. I thank God that I haven't released the metals any faster than I have or I would feel truly horrible.
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For those of you adding Pekana Detox remedies to your journey, I have questions....
I recently added Renelix and Itires with Liver Life to help stuck detoxing drainage. I test for half the amount suggested and it is somehow really kicking my behind.
I am totally weak, weepy and muddle-headed with blurry vision. I don't feel well enough to walk around muchless drive my kids places. I also can't organize thoughts well, feel nauseous and need to sleep alot.
Am I getting flooded with junk getting unstuck? Junk as in blocked lymphs unloading?
What the heck is going on? Maybe I shouldn't take the drainage stuff twice a day and should try once only?
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I started on the biltricide yesterday. Also need Core and a few things in the cocktail. . . the color orange came up -- I am using the orange glasses as my mother who has dimentia is a real drain on my energy. I have to disconnect from her often. She forgets everything but remembers when I do not call as often.
Testing showed that I need to be on the freeze dried garlic. ART testing said I don't need the other parasite drugs, ivermectin et al.
Great thing about biltricide is that it's only for two days.
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Tammy N.
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If anyone has time, could you please help out on my last post.
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Wiser - Maybe Dr. A would tell you to build up to the suggested dosage?
I would hang in there with them one way or the other. If you have needed this type of drainage for a long time, there is probably a lot of junk to deal with.
I have been using those remedies for a long time and have never had a problem with them.
Had my appointment with her yesterday. Lots of chronic viruses have come to the surface.
Lead and mercury levels have gone down consistently and now other metals are moving out. I attribute this to the drops as hair tests done a number of years ago (prior to AI) never showed anything leaving.
Have prescriptions in hand for parasites!!!! Have to get them filled out here as NDs on the east coast are not allowed to prescribe and I don't want any hassles.
I asked about herbal protocols for parasites and she said her experience is that herbs kind of make the parasites mad.
I know some will disagree with that but I think both Lex and Gigi mentioned something similar. I know Dr. K says there are usually more die off reactions with herbs. I am happy to go the pharmaceutical route for this one.
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Tammy - I hope I am responding to the correct post.
If so, I'm pretty sure it's been written somewhere here that HG does not suggest going off thyroid medication. Maybe at some point you will no longer test for it?
Methylcobalamin (sublingual B-12) can be calming for the nerves.
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This topic has 47 pages. No one can read all that, I can't. Perhaps everyone who has had extensive involvement in AI could post a very short summary of their experience. e.g. did it work for you? What has your journey been like?
A BIRDS EYE picture rather than 47 pages of minute details. Would anyone be open do doing this? WOuld only take you 5 minutes to post a short summary.
You could do it in this thread or start another.
Perhaps label your post with SUMMARY at the top in capital letters so we can identify it. Thanks!
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Everyone has a different experience with AI. For me it helped eliminate my food allergies and helped my leaky gut go away. It has helped me release chemical toxins and metals and thus my nervous system is slowly healing.
AI does not kill borrelia or parasites, but by regulating the body systems, it helps strengthen your body to get rid of these pests (although you may still need some "killers" at some point).
I found AI made me very tired and sometimess made my symptoms worse. It has not been easy for me as I work fulltime as a teacher.
However, I feel AI has helped me in my journey to health.
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dan67 I agree with your take, and i would hope those here would consider responding to the request. I don't think anyone expects some universally consistent story to be presented in order to create a summary
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SUMMARY
I'm on bottle six now.
The theory is that it helps the body identify things and react to them propertly (heavy metals, bad so detox; food, good to digest not allergically react to; bugs, bad so fight).
It has helped me a lot with detox. Upon starting, I immediately was doing much more detox. I didn't take anything else more to generate the detox, the AI drops caused the detox.
My body is fighting less foods as well. This is great. It still fights some, and that's too bad, maybe that will change with more treatments.
I can hope also that it has helped me better identify and fight bugs, but I cannot say that it has or has not, as I have been taking so many other substances to fight bugs during this time.
Well worth the money and effort for me.
Most useful category of thing I've done for lyme treatment is antibiotics. Close second place is the AI drops. Done plenty of other very useful things, but they were not as great as AI.
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Quick question: does the $395 (or whatever) price include ALL the future bottles of AI? In other words, what is the total cost if someone does multiple bottles?
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dan67 the price includes all futures bottles of AI. You do have to pay a small amount each time for shipping. I have done 10 rounds and have not had to pay more than the price on the website.
Hiker53
P.S. While a summary is nice, it really is worthwhile to read this entire thread. You can scan it pretty quickly and pick out what is relevant to you now.
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Great idea dan67 - I would really appreciate this too.
MichaelTampa and hiker - thank you so much for your posts. Gives me a lot of hope.
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Dan and others, re. SUMMARY, one of the difficulties in summing up the effects AI has had is that the idea of the therapy is that the body should go on getting rid of what it has been holding onto for quite some time after the therapy ends.
I understand that, as a rough guideline, a year after the therapy for every 10 years of illness....so ask me again in a few years' time!
I did 10 rounds and have just resubmitted a sample after a 3 month gap, as Herr G suggested, so I don't know yet if I will need to take any more drops.
I have been having uncharacteristic nausea, extra mucous, constant bad taste, so hope these are all signs of draining going on continuously.
I have recently done a number of tests through a UK private hospital, blood, stool, urine, hair, all relating to detox capacity, genetics and mineral status, so may be in a position to add more comments when the results come through.
AI is a big time commitment, so may not be for those who want to rush through treatment, attacking in every direction at once. I would recommend wading through the whole thread, making notes if necessary: at a rate of 2 or 3 pages per day, it wouldn't take that long, compared to the commitment of doing the therapy,
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I agree with Carry -- none of us has time to wade through all these pages but our health depends on it. We can't rely on a summary, which by the way, there are plenty of them sprinkled throughout by GiGi. If you just read posts by GiGi you'll get the information you need.
By the way, Biltricide is not one of those parassite drugs that knocks one on their fanny -- while I feel it for sure, it's tolerable.
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I recommend really trying to read through all of the pages. I did--took me quite a while--but I feel it was necessary to get the full grasp of the commitment and treatment protocol.
After reading through and not being able to find the answer to my pressing question, I've decided to hold off on treatment until more success (or not) stories are posted on this thread.
That being said, if I was considering it for myself, I would probably go ahead and give it a try. And perhaps, once Lyme expenses for my child are finished, I might.
However, right now, this would not be for myself but for my child, and I'm not convinced yet that this is something I want my child to go through until I've learned even more about this, and she is at a much more comfortable place in her treatment.
That is just my decision, others have decided otherwise--but I don't think I could have come to that decision if I hadn't read all the way through the thread.
p.s. Once one is finished reading through this thread, there is also AI's website that needs to be read as well--it is a big time commitment, but very important to know all the details before committing--at least that's how I feel. It is not a quick fix.
I look forward to hearing more and more AI success stories as the months go by.
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When hearing in these recent posts about the big commitment involved, I am not sure what people are referring to.
Certainly the cost is substantial, but the cost is mostly upfront, and pretty easy to understand what it is (okay, after translating the euros into dollars). So, I am guessing people are referring to something else.
Mailing the saliva about once a month? Taking 5 drops 3 times a day for a couple weeks about once a month?
Has it been very painful for some people to go through this? The binders a lot of effort/money?
Tossing aside the money, I have not really found this AI treatment to be much effort for me. I am on bottle 6 now, have had some good results. I probably did take more minerals/binders than I would have without this treatment, but I still would have done some. I have been a little extra tired sometimes due to the treatment.
All in all, though, it's been a pretty smooth ride, and looking for the perspective of others saying it is a lot of commitment. (Not criticizing, but just reading those comments and puzzled as it's not my experience, and don't even know what it's referring to.)
Will admit, I started trying to read the whole thread, probably read the first dozen pages, but after that skimmed it, and then read the last few pages whenever that was. Felt that got me as much info as I was looking for.
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I would say that it is a commitment OF TIME.
While doing AI, you're pretty much committing to NOT do such other treatments as antibiotics.
Anti-parasite treatments can be done simultaneously. Detox cleanses can get you into trouble, as AI is already getting the body to release what it can, according to GiGi. So, binders are needed to mop up what is coming out.
I've been taking the drops for almost two years now. Some symptoms have disappeared. Some I still have. But, I was undiagnosed for 9 years (at least) prior to starting any treatment at all.
With recently doing some simple Dr. K metal detox help for the brain now, at least my thinking is finally clearing up! This is one of the most vital for me, personally.
For me, part of the importance of AI is that any other treatment needed after completing it is more likely to actually work.
Best,
Cass A
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I actually have been doing antibiotics and other treatments (antihelminthics, herbs, vitamins/minerals, detoxers, NAET acupuncture, massage, oxygen concentrator) during my AI.
One thing I have done is schedule my NAET acupuncture to be outside of the 2-week periods where I am actually taking the drops.
I wish that issue was clearer regarding the antibiotics. They will say it is better to not do antibiotics with AI. But then they say it is okay if you want. I do feel pretty confident AI has been extremely helpful for me and so have the antibiotics. Perhaps they are interfering with each other some, I don't know, but I feel I'm getting a lot of good out of doing both at the same time.
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Antibiotics wipe out the immune system and many of us got into trouble because of abx. AI is trying to revive it.
People who had to resort to abx because they came up with an acute infection of some sort, or people who did too many other treatments alongside AI reached the end or had to wait a few months before the body would reveal more errors that needed correction.
I was told, in German, why would I want to take the very thing we are trying to unload with the AI therapy. Much of it is not needed or helpful and often cause blockages. More is not better. The body is extremely busy and working hard to set the changes in motion. I certainly would not do NAET because AI is an attempt in itself to clear the passage ways in a certain manner and I am not sure that sending the body different signals is a good thing. I did NAET for months by DN in LongBeach herself and I had to live with the brain fog it caused me for a couple of years. Metal and toxin distribution into the wrong areas and overactivation - maybe your body can handle it - mine couldn't. Many dysregulations are at levels that are treated much later in the therapy. The train got lost somewhere in the jungle and AI is slowly directing it to find its way back.
More is not always better.
The body, once it receives the new information via the drops, will keep regulating constantly while on the drops, in the weeks in between and long after the therapy is finished years later.
The issue about abx is very clear as far as AI is concerned. Maybe have them send you or find the text of the booklet in English "Information for Clients". It is also contained in this thread - probably going back at least a year or so.
Take care.
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I definitely want to try AI, but right now my body is dumping TONS of metals with KPU -- and thanks to Gigi and others advice I've learned how to mop up these metals with binders, etc.
So, as long as my body is doing this, I think I'll wait on AI. Some people say that after a while on KPU treatment they have a "breakthrough" where the zinc, etc., has got all the metals it can get, and after that, taking the minerals and KPU supps doesn't make you feel bad anymore. Right now the KPU stuff makes me feel like I'm on a roller coaster, some days good, some bad. So I want to allow this process to unfold for a while.
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Just posted on the other thread about KPU.
Dan67 said "Dumping TONS of metals with KPU" - but where are they going?
If you are feeling bad on KPU, chances are your body no longer recognizes the heavy metals as toxic.
I did several rounds of AI before starting KPU and did not experience any ill effects.
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Well, the biltricide is under my belt but at full moon mid march I will whack the bugs again with another dose.
I was able to attend the annual craft show in baltimore -- something I haven't been able to do for the last four years. It was a zoo but I had a great time even tho my recent insomnia has been a real drag.
Suddenly I start to feel better and the nights are a bear to deal with. Trazadone, which always worked before, no longer works. Tryptothan doesn't do anything.
Today I'll start on a Lyme cocktail -- with about five items in grapefruit juice -- will also start with freeze dried garlic dissolved in water for one minute before drinking. This is what showed up on ART testing.
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Lex - glad to here the biltricide didn't kick your butt. I'm starting albenza for three days and then moving on a different one for 5 days around the full moon for the next three months.
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Lex, sleep problems = metals. You are killing a parasite here and there and you now have to support metal detox. You are right on. Add microsilica if you test for it, add quintessense if you test for it. Babuschka Principle = http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/101357?
Wish someone would teach me to show the five dolls here without having to show the link. But those dolls tell such a story and I remain yours truly, the computer nerd!
Take care.
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Thanks GiGi . . . I start the Lyme cocktail today.
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Lex - Just curious, what are you putting in it? Everything Dr. K recommends (which are a lot of ingredients) or creating your own version? I know there are several versions of this cocktail (revised by Dr. K over the years). I have a recipe from Sept. 2010. Is this the one you are going by?
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You really only put in the cocktail what you test for. In mine I put acai, quintessence, microsilica, turmeric, black pepper. I am waiting for the beta rizol to arrive. And somewhere I have Enhansa which I'll use when I find it in place of reg. turmeric.
Later on today I will take some freeze dried garlic in water (let stand for a minute) before swallowing.
I had some bad stomach cramps earlier today after the biltricide which I attribute it to.
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Does anyone else burn or itch from transdermal magnesium. It is very unpleasant! Brand name is Swanson-- Dr. Barbara Hendel's
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GiGi
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Re Magnesium Oil - read instructions. It is supposed to be rinsed off after 20-30 minutes.
Re Tumeric - more is not better. It tests sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. When your body doesn't need it or gets too much, don't take it or cut back.
Take care.
There is not a single supplement that we take constantly and not without testing frequently or daily. That applies to everything.
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K. says that there are many people who are allergic to curcumin.
Woke up with a huge headache -- it's that garlic headache, after having broke open many biofilms.
I find if I load up on chlorella before bed sleep improves. I had a dream of going into beautiful department stores with clothes so beautiful I was on a spree.
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I am also having some headaches from treating parasites.
That was a nice dream Lex - hope you have many more.
Thanks Gigi for keeping the reminders going about those critters. Wish they had shown up with earlier testing but it is what it is.
Glad I am parting ways with a few of them and looking forward to going after them again at the full moon.
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Lex, when you drink the freeze dried water with garlic does it upset your stomach at all? Do you take it on an empty stomach? Freeze dried garlic and me have never gotten along which is unfortunate because I want so much to be able to take it. Stomach upset always happens when I take it.
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One takes the freeze dried garlic before meals -- you break open the caps, stir for one minute, then drink Says BioPure the best. It doesn't upset my stomach but even if it did, I'd just take it.
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I use Biopure. GIGI told me to take the capsule at the last bite of my meal. I did do that and it helped, but still get an upset stomach. I might try the garlic in water and see what happens.
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gwb many times the critters who live within are going to react negatively to the stuff we take . . . it's like a tug of war sometimes -- whose gonna win? If a tape worm gives us an upset stomach, are we gonna just give in or find a way around and sock it to em?
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Anyone not able to take garlic, do the AI test at least. Most likely you are allergic/cannot regulate the sulfhydrils which garlic is a part of. Anybody who cannot use sulfur may have major problems detoxing, especially toxic metals.
For the people who miss the fd garlic taking right after a meal, you can dissolve the garlic capsules in a bit of warm water and drink it within seconds - and that can be done between meals getting similar benefits.
Most people who have taken the AI test are allergic, i.e. the body cannot regulate sulfur and thus have problems with penicillins, mucor, etc. Study the connection - I am not a doctor, but know if you cannot utilize sulfhydryls, you are in trouble detoxing. I have yet to see one test of any Lyme afflicted who do not have a problem in this area.
The total enzyme production is often affected also.
Do the test, at least, and find out.
Take care.
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just finished Round 9 -- and am pleased with the results. It's not a walk in the park but this sure beats where I was last year.
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Gigi -- what if you've done many rounds of AI and still test poorly for garlic?
Also, when I was given Augmentin last month for an infection, I broke out in a full body rash almost instantly. Yet, aren't I past the penicillin, mucor correction phase in AI?
I know proper detoxing is a thorny issue for me, but I still must question whether AI has been able to correct those dysregulations.
Best,
wiserforit2
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An update on my end---- I'm just about finished with Round 2 and doing well. Except waking up most nights for about 2 hours.
I'm no longer on meds, and I'm holding well. Was having a lot of struggles. But since doc gave me a Vitamin C drip with Magnesium and B-complex, wow, what an improvement. Also started methylcobalamin B-12 injections twice per week. Supplementing my body with these things has made a HUGE difference in how I feel and has been a tremendous help in allowing me to break the bond with meds. I am so happy about this. This has put me on the path of where I want to be..... working on building myself up in a healthy way.
Looking forward to good things.
Best wishes to all, Tammy
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Tammy you bring up an interesting point -- no amount of AI can replace nutritional deficiencies, which is what is neat about KPU. You are refilling the minerals.
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Most of my family is finished now after 6 rounds. Myself and my 10 year old aren't finished, my teenager is behind us and hasn't finished the last round yet. My husband will need to be retested tho, as he had to take antibiotics last round.
Lots of improvements - my 5 year old had many many woarts on her hands that left with the last round. SHe and her 3 year old sister are sleeping so much better. The 5 year old who was very gluten intolerant and super skinny has really filled out and feels quite sturdy now.
Many people have commented on how much my 8 year old has changed - he has many ADHD symptoms, as well as a few spectrum ones as well. I can see that he still has some more issues to work through - I may get him retested with my husband actually, but overall he has definitely improved. Time to move on to rebuilding his mineral base.
It's a bit of a relief to know that so many of us are done 7 of us at once was a wee bit overwhelming, but I'm so so glad we did it.
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