I agree. As of 2 months ago (testing with neuroscience), my adrenal curve is still flat (it doesn't change throughout the day, whereas it should drop steeply from morning to afternoon and drop slightly more at night). My MD told me today it takes the adrenals about 6 months to correct themselves.. that's with proper adrenal supplementation. i've probably only done proper supp for 2 months.. .before then I was always hesitant to take high doses of any hormones, but I realized this is beyond necessary.
I'm sure within 3-4 months many of these fatigue symptoms will improve as long as I keep at it.
I ordered the ozone sauna today, so after 2 liver flushes it's a go. I'm extremely excited! About both! First one is today... wish me luck. I hope I get stoned like a heretic.
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Go get 'em, joey! Good luck - good to see you are excited about what you've found!
R62, I can't find squat on Brucella in any of my homeopathic books.... not even under other names used like 'undulating fever' or 'Malta fever' or 'Bang's disease'. I'm not turning up anything much on the Web, either. I find that very odd.
Looks like there are several species....
Didn't the Zyto practitioner have any suggestions?
Celletech has a 'homeotherapeutic' nosode with 4 types of Brucella in it....
Sorry.
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Just did the liver flush....and I just felt my toxicity level drop 10 fold today. Wow. Also had a legitimate spike in energy...which as I understand is the honeymoon before the toxicity builds up again for the next flush. Granted I did 2 of em back in 06 and didn't experience the same degree of alleviation, but that just means all this stuff has been building up for 3 years.
Can't wait for the next one!
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I'm not real enthusiastic about the Frequency Foundation... Had a kind of negative experience with them.
I do think that what we consider as stressful is damaging. It's all very relative, though. I stopped watching TV & it's made a big difference. Some people who are poor can be happy but the pathogens will make people ill regardless of wealth or poverty.
I guess we just have to adjust the way we perceive the dangers... Quit watching TV & limit exposure to the news, radio, internet, etc. They are sneaking in very violent, unnecessary descriptions even on NPR (which is sponsored by Monsanto, etc.). I suspect there's a reason but I'm prone toward to being suspicious about what "they" are up to.
Robin - what is picked up on the energetic readings may be "energetic" forms of the illnesses - not necessarily the full blown version. You may be able to do quite well with homeopathics. I did well with the mycoplasma remedy from Desbio.
m0joey - I've been thinking alot about the adrenals! I think that once you or I get the liver cleaned up - our adrenal function may become improved.
Taking an "external" remedy like a hormone may not be the key. We need to treat the root cause of the adrenal stress. I have to study it further. I think my cortisol levels are way out of whack. I feel like I was hit by a train in the AM.
I read that cholesterol has something to do with adrenal function or cortisol. It's connected with the liver, somehow - I just have to study it further...
Tracy- I do have a website but I didn't update it since 2006. I'm starting to re-do it... I was just too ill & stressed.
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Thank you Sparkle for the perspective. I need it.
I bought a kidney cleanse at whole foods and am starting there. Too many pathogens for me to bear. I just need to focus.
Decided to take the stress level down. I have been about to crack. That means as few nutramedix products as possible.. they are so picky about mixing and I know why, but it is so stressful.
Decided to make lists of anti fungals, anti microbials, anti blablas and take one of each and if one gets many, good for me.
Ammonia protocol, kidney cleanse, some balance with anti blablas.. move on to parasite and or colon or both.. are the colon cleanses too harsh?
Dr. Christophers to prepare for liver cleanse and then liver cleanse.
I have the ph sticks to test that and am going to start hydrogen peroxide baths (copying Joey) and Homozon... can I do that anytime?
KMT for lymph and cellular balance, parasites later.
Valkion at some point. ( I got a deal and cannot believe I bought it without more research but whats done is done and maybe its a good thing)
If Brucella still shows up as a problem, I am blood testing. Can nosodes hurt if I only have it energetically?
If gut bacteria still shows up a problem... MMS or CS.. although I read somewhere that folks with ammonia issues should not use MMS.. ??
A Plan.. I need a plan to make me feel I have some control over this mess. If my spine was not so unstable, and my head not so emotionally unstable at times, I think I could deal better.
For now I am afraid of the light. LOL:-)
Seriously considering Progurt for the gut.
Ive been thinking how much stress effects the terrain and how I have been feeling like a train wreck. Not good.
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I agree with you about the adrenals connection ...this seems to be why training programmes like the Lightning Process and the Gupta prog are really helping some people with CFS, in some cases to even fully recover, as they help the body to switch from the fight or flight sympathetic state to a healing parasympathetic state.
Thats a really interesting quote from Peter Chappell thanks for posting it Tracy!
Great news about the liver flush Joey!! I found the same when I did a couple in the past, my energy would skyrocket too... then I never did any more after that..
I have a very flat adrenal curve too with cortisol levels below the ref range so a non-adaptive response.. its been like that for a yr and I was hoping that the photon therapy would have helped a bit but was disappointed to find out recently that my cortisol levels are still below the ref range. Though from urine cortisol testing my cortisol is high, so its not like my adrenals arent producing it, rather something is blocking its utilisation at the cellular level.
Ive been told that I need to take hydrocortisone but Ive taken it before and thats partly what caused my adrenals to completely burn out tho I probably took too much for too long without treating the infections at the same time... I think I'd almost be well by now had I not done that.. but anyway I have been trying to get by without it so far and hoping that taking glandulars and other supps is enough..
I was in touch with a German Bionic practitioner recently who suggested some RNA supps for the adrenals so going to look into those... she reckons that you need good adrenal function to help utilise the photons properly.
Interestingly tho just the last few days I am finding that since taking the super wormwood blend and doing the MFT tapping, which seems to have worked on my liver/gallbladder, have both helped with energy which has had a knock-on effect on my adrenals, so similarly to flushing I'm feeling less like I'm about to crash and have had more consistent and better energy so thats good news.
Hormones are made from cholesterol but lyme uses cholesterol doesnt it and other infections too like chlamydia pneumoniae which I also have ... i notice that when I lower my cholesterol, my adrenals crash.
I'm impressed that you've stopped watching TV Sparkle but I can totally see why it would help as a lot of it is so negative and mindnumbing isnt it?! I live alone so its like company to me tho so dont think I'd be brave enough lol.
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The homozon by itself can be used as a colon cleanse. just make sure that you "fire" it with 1/4-1/2 lemon juice immediately after you take the homozon
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I'm going to research cortisol & adrenals in connection to the liver today - if I get a chance...
Shimmy - I don't have time to watch TV anymore. I like to listen to the radio or download podcasts from the internet. There are so many podcasts on interesting subjects you can get for free!
I can also get DVDs from the library or a video store...
I find that since I gave it up - when I do watch it, I can see how manipulative it is. The radio is, too - to some degree but TV is really bad since you get the images, sound, audio, story, neuro linguistic programming & whatever brainwashing frequencies they have underlying all of it.
Get some hobbies to replace the TV or read a book. It took up so much of my time before since I was ill & didn't want to think about anything. It really is a big tranquilizer.
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I have also drastically cut down on the bombardment of negativity via media. I used to just watch a ton of tv cuz it was the easiest thing to do with physical & mental fatigue, but now I'd rather go to a park and go through a deliberate creation process. I find that even if I have the worst brain fog, I'm still capable of meditating, saying what I want, and repeating that until I feel the vibrations of what I want resonate through my body.
IF im' watching tv, it's movies that I PICK, not those that are fed. IF i'm reading, it's books that I pick & match my point of attraction.
I haven't had a single day of depression in over a month. Before then, I was dealing with it almost on a nightly basis as soon as my head hit the pillow and the distractions were gone.
Shimmy--I would be very interested in the RNA product that helps the adrenals. Please keep us updated on that if you dont mind.
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PS - Bob- this parasite killing project is a long term thing... I have been feeling fatigued & a bit nauseous from doing it. I'm not sure if you are doing this but it may be why you are feeling fatigued.
I don't mean to be posting too much info but parasites are gross. If we don't share this than we can't learn... I'm passing at least 1 big liver fluke a day plus what looks like pieces of flukes.
The liver flukes are black & about a inch or 3/4" long. They look kind of like leeches. This means it was drinking my blood & turned black. The smaller pieces are red. I can't believe that these were in my liver along with all of the gall stones I passed. No wonder I was so ill!
I have also been seeing small white thread-like things, too. I'm not sure what these are but I'm looking into it. I'm just posting this so you will all know that these are not uncommon.
I had no idea after all these years of seeing doctors that I had anything like this in my body!
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curious..did most start passing parasites their first go-around on humaworm? So far I haven't seen anything, and before humaworm I'd done various other parasite cleanses that weren't as strong.
Nothing but gallstones with the liver flush either.
Not only that but nothing came up with energetic testing either. Lab testing as mentioned earlier is
I'm curious if it will show as I do more rounds of humaworm, or if I'm just one of those that doesn't have a huge parasite problem. my energetic doc says she doesn't agree with Hulda Clark on the ubiquity of parasites.
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I didn't see any parasite-like things until my 3rd liver flush... Some can be in various forms or microscopic.
I had something strange looking, floating in the bowl. It kind of freaked me out since it didn't look like anything recognizable. The guy at the Humaworm Curezone forum identified it. It was some phase of development of a liver fluke.
Since I started taking the herbs (not Humaworm - I couldn't wait for mail order so I bought some product at the vitamin store) - I have seen flukes & pieces of flukes in the toilet.
You may not notice a parasite unless you really get into it & explore... if you know what I mean.
At this point, I would assume the parasites are fairly prevalent... I think Dr. Clark is correct but you don't have to get paranoid or obsessive about it. It's just a fact of life.
If you have eaten sushi, pork, swam in a lake, walked barefoot, got a mosquito bite, cleaned out a cat litter box, etc. - you can get a parasite. Some people feel Lyme is more of a parasite than a bacteria...
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I passed parasites on garlic. I was not on it long before they came out.. in nests, bundles together some of them.
They were about an inch and half long, thin, almost translucent. Not scary in any way.. just dead debris. I had one that was teardrop shaped. It was obvious these were not food fibers.
Of course none of my doctors believed me.
A friend of mine was doing Dr Natura and got what she called a sting of christmas lights.. or seaweed.. the kind with the pods.. she figured t was the muculoid (however that is spelled) and possibly that some parasites had encased themselves in the pods.
She also had black little stick like things come out of her skin when she took an epsom salt bath.. she watched them come out of her skin. The got one and put it under a microscope.. I saw it..
You know how a bottle brush looks when the bristles are bent back as in the bottle? Thats how it looked. You could see the stick body with the "bristles" attached and shiftd backwards. It was dead of course.. so they were probably swimmers.
Dr Natura.
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I stopped the HH capsules and I think the scrape me off the floor depression could be gone.. knock on wood.. and does HH get more than bart because zyto did not see that as a stressor and no positive blood test.
Did you all see this on Connie's blog? Treating allgergies with bionic:
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Yes.. a stick and you explore, Sparkle. Thats the way to go. It also is fun to compare notes with a friend who is also purging. :-D
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The 2 she recommends are RN13 and something else called nebenniererindenextrakt, if you do a search for RN13 on the site you will find it tho you will have to google translate. I'm not sure about the other one, I cant seem to find it. I think they might be glandular injections but I need to clarify this with her ... they might be as they are in mls and she does recommend injections for weak adrenals.
Anyway if I find out more info or start to use them myself I will definitely post.
Cheers for the advice Sparkle I do do all that, have hobbies read tons but still end up switching the tv on .. tho try to watch mostly uplifting or educational stuff like comedies & documentaries..
talking of which I watched The Living Matrix yesterday thnx for recommending it Joey, or whoever else did ... really interesting. I was really intrigued by Eric Pearl and have found out that there are some practitioners near me who have trained under him so going to check it out and have a few sessions to see if it helps.. will keep you posted.
cheers guys :-)
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FYI - A very good article about the adrenals...
Hypoadrenocorticism rarely exists without involvement of other glands and organs. The liver must detoxify each and every substance in the body.
This includes not only medications and drugs, but also hormones produced by your own body. Thus the effectiveness of the adrenal in part depends on the efficiency of the liver.
The laboratory tests commonly called "liver function tests" in fact do not tell how the liver is functioning but rather only tell if the liver is inflamed or injured.
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shimmy - I think watching TV makes us feel connected to the world at large. It's kind of a drug... I know what you mean.
I moved, so - I physically don't have the cable connected (which is how it is in the US). I tried to get the local stations but they wouldn't come in for some reason. So, I just get DVDs if I want to see something.
It was weird at first but I'm used to it now. I mostly missed the news & weather. I can listen to NPR or the BBC on the computer, though.
Now, when I watch it - I see how manipulative it is. Even the history & science shows! It all seems geared towards thought/mind control. Alot of things are - like movies... What can you do?
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I was listening to an interesting interview with Steven Jacobson on the Conscious Media Network radio earlier...maybe you heard it already but hes talking about this very subject..
Yes I agree with you its all about being controlled by the big corporations and their agenda... Chomsky has been writing about this for yrs hasnt he.
Apart from political propaganda, medical advice progs really get my goat because you know its all biased towards the pharmaceuticals.
Well at least we are aware of it I guess..
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Thanks Shimmy - I'll check it out later...
We really do have to be more selective about what we watch or listen to.
I can't believe the stuff that in the media these days. Movies, radio, news, tv shows.... even when I go into Walmart - I see death head patterns on kids clothing. It all gets taken into the subconscious.
Stuff people take their kids to see in the movies would have been considered XXX rated when I was growing up - & not just for sex, it's the violence & graphic depictions of gore...
They seem to have gotten more graphic about violence even when I listen to NPR or the BBC.
Sorry to get so off topic of the PE1... It all seems to be working together in my mind. It can't be healthy for kids to be watching this stuff or adults for that matter.
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Well.. NMT therpaist cleared my emotional "herx" in about 2 hours. it was unreal. She said I had triggered old trauma and she worked on that pathway.
I also had stopped HH, cumanda and OLE.. so?? but.. had my session, took a nap and I was all better after being close to catatonic at times. It was scary. The last herb I dropped was OLE which I am starting back, so we shall see.
I tested for retro virus HTLV and EBV with the zyto and general retro, EBV and Zoster with muscle testing. Tested to start Brucella series in a month.. ??
I have been so tempted to use my lightworks on my back where the inflammation is on my spinal column area (on nogier).. but I am taking retrovirus homeopathics which I tested for.. not a good idea, right?
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What if we had a photon therapy thread just for photon accounts and then a photon therapy discussion for issues like we have been "off topic" on?
Hard to draw the line sometimes though.
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Very glad to hear your depressive situation was zapped, R62 - pretty amazing.
I know this thread is getting pretty huge.... but I guess I don't like the idea of having two threads to keep track of. My only thought is that maybe we (or Selma when she gets back from vacation) could start a new PE-1 thread, ``Part Two'' or something. It would be a continuation of the discussion here, but it would prevent this thread from getting any longer.
Wow. I'm actually envious of those who are getting parasites out of their `innards'. I SO wish I could do a decent cleanse right now...... I remember how good it can feel afterwards.
Sparkle, I don't know a thing about the Frequency Foundation..... I was tracking down something else when I stumbled across that blurb and just found it to be an interesting idea.....
If I don't watch or listen to some news, I feel like I'm intentionally putting myself in a vulnerable position. But if I had only NPR to listen to, I would probably shoot myself. One hour of that and I'm ready to go commit violence against some inanimate object. But I have the same reaction to most mainstream news sources, as well. I prefer to listen to news programs that are up front about any `opinions' given, rather than the insidious, subtle slants of so-called `news' reporters.
There has to be some way to care about what happens in the world without taking the consequences into our bodies! But I haven't much of a clue how to do that. I don't know how to compartmentalize and sequester strong feelings. And that translates into stress on my system.
Re adrenal issues: I did the hydrocortisone therapy for awhile years ago..... it was the wrong time to try it, probably - a horribly stressful period for me. The hydrocortisone prevented me from sleeping, no matter when I took it. Things are different now, so who knows.
But what are the consequences of hydrocortisone therapy when you have chronic infections? Do we really know? What Shimmy said sort of confirms my fears about it. I've wondered the exact same thing in my case.
To make matters worse, I was on topical steroids twice a day for like 3 years back in the early 1980s..... I didn't know any better. It was after getting off that when I started having lots of symptoms. So, I no doubt suppressed my immune system during that entire period..... NOT GOOD.
Re Crotalus Horridus and Babs: In the FWIW department, my rookie-dowsing with my bottle of Crot-h 200C indicates that Crotalus Horridus is a good remedy for Babs treatment, in both humans and dogs, but the 200C potency is not always appropriate (no big surprise there).
Re my heart issues: I'm still having too many palpitations, so I made up a 12C remedy of the Alpha Lipoic Acid (the substance that I think started the problem)..... but I'm not taking it yet. I'm taking something else right now for my L heel in lieu of taking anti-inflammatories (Ruta 30C). I'm in physical therapy for a possible micro-tearing and inflammation of my Achilles tendon in my L heel (they've used electro-stem therapies and some other `magnetic' stuff on me, which I think it may be messing with my dowsing, incidentally).
Speaking of PT, my physical therapist says he's not entirely sold on infra-red therapy to help `speed healing', as he put it. He hasn't seen enough information about what really happens with infrared therapy. The claims in the physical therapy world are that it helps to `speed' healing, but he says he wonders if that is even possible or if it's a good idea. Time is part of the healing process. So, he's taking a `wait and see' approach. (I was hoping to get some infrared therapy to see how it worked on my injury.)
This is long.... I'll make a second post about some thoughts on photon therapy at this point.
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Re the Bionic 880/photon and nosode treatments: Sparkle, you mentioned awhile back that reports on the treatment indicate that maybe it isn't a `full cure'..... that maybe it has to be used more or for longer.
Based on what I read on this board and some of the Bionic-user blogs, I have to agree that it doesn't seem to be a `cure' of anything. It's a `treatment' and may aid in dealing with Lyme (and other issues), but it isn't a stand-alone resolution of any disorder, even with using nosodes. Even those that had great initial results and continued to use the Bionic 880 at home for Lyme and other infections..... most found that they `regressed' at some point.
If anybody remembers what I wrote about nosodes awhile back, this really should not be a big surprise.
I was HOPING that maybe adding photons to nosodes would change something in the personal terrain of each patient so that the nosodes would become more `universal' in dealing with infections in various individuals.
But what I think now is that photons act more like an AMPLIFIER - or perhaps an accelerator - than anything else. They may increase the effect of the nosodes, but they are still just nosodes.
Nosodes have never been found to cure any chronic illness or infection, though they can be important adjuncts to OTHER appropriate homeopathic remedies in a case, but rarely do the job themselves. If they did, Classical Homeopathy would be all about nosodes. But it isn't. Nosodes are limited by their very nature. (Autonosodes are a bit different, but still fall into the nosode category.)
Here's what I've seen happen most often when reviewing homeopathic cases of chronic illness using the Classical approach:
1. An initial remedy(ies) is given, based on `the totality of symptoms' (which may or may not be the `constitutional' remedy for the person, i.e., one that fits both the personality and the physical complaints and tendencies);
2. If traditional remedies fail to act, or the person stops responding to a remedy that was working, or if the person gets nearly well but relapses, then a nosode (or sometimes an autonosode) is introduced;
3. After the action of the nosode is exhausted or it has done all it can do, then either the original remedies are given again, which now work, or the case is re-taken based on the current symptoms and a new remedy given;
4. Once the person is well or appears `cured', then a miasmatic remedy(ies) is sometimes given to alter the inherited and acquired susceptibilities that created the problem in the first place. (Sometimes treatment of underlying miasms is covered in the constitutional remedy or even by the nosode used, but not always.)
I don't think this `order' is set in stone, but these are the elements of treatment that I've seen used. So, my thinking here is that - at some point - traditional remedies MUST BE administered in order to treat the person + the disease. Even with photons, I'm not sure there is any way around it. I think photons open the communication pathways, but nosodes don't provide information about the PERSON for a complete eradication of an infection.
What I would LOVE to read about is someone who used photons with their constitutional remedy..... I would expect amazing things to happen, but no way to predict that.
That's my assessment at this point.....
More importantly, for those who have used photon devices, particularly with nosodes, what conclusions have you come to (if any)? What are your thoughts at this point?
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Tracy, what a great question.
I find that nosodes with biophotons are extremely effective in helping my immune system target and knock back or eradicate specific pathogens I treat for.
So with this therapy the degree of success depends on how you define the goal.
If the goal is to kill off most or all of my lyme and co-infections then it has been a huge success for me.
If the goal is to use this therapy to create total health, then it is a failure, in my opinion.
I believe I have sucessfully treated Borrelia Burgdorferi, Borrellia Garinii, Lyme and Viral Meningitis, whatever might have been left of Bartonella, TB in the eye and kidney, mycosporidia, Klebsiella Pneumonia, Strep Pneumonia, and several strains of fungals and mold. all with nosodes and biophotons.
I'm currently working on Babesia and other assorted molds and fungals.
Then there is the question about why my system was susceptible to all these pathogens in the first place, and how to remedy those issues.
I believe it had to do with a whole variety of things:
Antibiotics for ear infections as a child, that ruined my adult teeth, my gut, and my flora Mercury amalgams in every molar Root canal that went bad and untreated for years Serious spinal injury as a teen-ager Emotional abandonment issues preventing me from wanting to be fully alive in my body Lack of emotional an family support A competitive nature that kept me constantly running without rest Inadequate nutrition - running a marathon on a vegetarian pasta diet A baby who didn't sleep for more than two hours at a time for more than a year
Top this off with congested drainage systems from handling so much crap, And the result of allergies and sensitivities to all kinds of things my body won't recognize appropriately
I can kill off pathogens, but without remedying the above, I'll just make room for more.
Nosodes with photons are working for me along with:
Good nutrition and supplements Flora replacement Parasite removal Good homeopathic and herbal drainage Removal of mercury amalgams, and pathogen clearing Removal of toxins and molds from my home A full course in corrective chiropractic Bach flower remedies and emotional support Allergy and senstivity treatment Adrenal Support
I also think there is quite a bit possible with classical miasm treatment, but have not ventured there yet, so couldn't say if photons make them stronger.
I can say that with Back Flower Remedies, the light does not seem to make a difference one way or another. I can take them with or without the light. They seem to work at about the same pace either way for me.
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I think the statements made by GiGi that use of infrared light was a panacea where extremely misleading & even damaging.
I haven't used the LightWorks in quite some time due to the fact that my main issue right now is liver flukes.
I have heard that quite a few people have overtreated with infrared light & caused damage to their system. We do need to proceed with caution with this form of treatment.
I believe it is very helpful but not a miracle cure. We are all individual & need different treatments. The testing - especially the standard lab tests - is very poor. The energetic testing may be better but it's still not 100%. So, we just have to be careful.
If my main health problem has been liver flukes all of this time - I took alot of treatments that were totally off base. I'm not even sure I really had Lyme all of these years.
So, it's tricky. Just be careful & don't over do it in case you are treating the wrong thing or in case you don't know what may happen from too much infrared light.
There are many studies that suggest that infrared light is safe. I've read exposure to other colors may be damaging but infrared is pretty safe.
Just be cautious, though. We really don't know. Medicine is very individual. One person may respond well to a given drug or supplement & another might die.
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> But what are the consequences of hydrocortisone therapy when you have chronic infections? Do we really know? What Shimmy said sort of confirms my fears about it. I've wondered the exact same thing in my case.
Hi Tracy
I think if you test low it is ok to take h/c as long as you take it alongside treatment for the infections (I know some LLMDs prescribe it) ... cortisol (& thyroid hormone) is absolutely necessary to help the body fight off infections (see Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies) as long as the dose is not pharmacological... tho there are debates as to what is generally considered a physiological dose ... a lot of people say up to 20mg is ok (based on Jefferies' work - tho he used cortisone acetate which is weaker than h/c).. but I know in one study over 10mg h/c was found to have an immunosuppressive effect in a study of CFS patients.
I took betwen 10-15mg for 6 months and went up to 20mg for 10 days and I do feel it was immunosuppressive in my case as I had a terribly hard time weaning off tho like you I was under some stress at the time which didnt help.
However in my case I did not know that I had lyme at the time so I was obviously not under any treatment for that, which would have made a difference. I was taking h/c for support as I was chelating & I had actually tested high for both cortisol & DHEA but took it anyway due to my CFS symptoms ... so I dont really know if I truly needed it or not. Perhaps if I had just taken measures to treat high cortisol this would have been enough..
So I dont want to put anyone off taking h/c because of what happened to me. I suspect that when I did take it tho my adrenals were pretty much on the edge and taking it shut down the HPA feedback loop pretty early on..
I have just had my CD57 results back and it is pretty low - 22 and and I do suspect that this might be due to my low cortisol levels (and low thyroid) as I am not responding to all the photon therapy I have had done ... so now wondering again if I need to go back on h/c but still pursuing alternative adrenal support for now.
Bejoy I love the Bach flower remedies! I have used them for yrs, and I really like the Bush flower remedies too.
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I've been reading other posts about what "the real answer" is or isn't. I think it still depends on the "real question."
I think we need to differentiate between Borrelia Bugdorferi, and Lyme Disease, and dis-ease in general.
Bb is one bacteria. Seems to me that photons and nosodes are working to get it to back off and go away. Every report I've read so far confirms it.
Lyme DISEASE is something deeper than that one bacteria. It includes numerous co-infections, toxin buildup, and a predisposition for disease, whether genetic, miasmic, or life-style oriented.
Find me somebody who is free of all "dis-ease", medical, emotional, and social. I'll beg to go spend a week with them, and bask in the presence of that Bodisatva.
I'll want to know how they eat and sleep and dream and play, so I can emulate. But I won't want to give up my coffee.
We're on a rock hurtling through space around a ball of fire at 67,000 miles per hour, and we're all going to die.
I hope to live as well as I can before I crash six feet into the earth myself.
I don't expect to heal from all dis-ease in my lifetime, and ascend as a fully actualized being.
But it would be nice, and I haven't given up trying.
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Dear all, I'm writing from an airport terminal in South Korea...
I will try to read everything I missed these last weeks when I'm back home.
I've been about 2 weeks WITHOUT any photon therapy and almost the same amount of time without ANY killers. I left my PE1 with my daughter in Europe. It seems she hasn't needed it either.
My malaria stopped testing fast after doing reflex massages on liver, where it was hidden. Cloves and cardamon was all I needed. I'm still doing reflex massages there as the point is still in pain.
I may consider doing some type of parasite cleanse even though my tests say no for herbs contained in the humanworm formula for a few weeks.
It's been days without any clenasers as where I am, people eat so spicy and fermented that my body is not wanting any enzymes (even rechrsregulat tests as 'cant take'). I'm eating seaweeds in big amounts and realized that I test negative for chlrorella too!
I mean, I test as 'cant take chlorella' which is different that 'no need'. If I test 'no need' but test 'can take' I usually take chlorella.
But I'm testing 'cant take' for both chlorella AND rechts and all other cleansing stuff, thai ginseng, and all other things I was taking...
This is VERY interesting. I'm on HIGH consumption of sea food (either through raw fish) or cooked ones. Almost no cow or pork, no chicken either. So basically on carbs, veggies (loads of mushrooms), fermented foods and sea foods (ALL IMAGINABLE types)...
I thought I would CRAVE chlorella as sea products are conaminated, but that doesn't seem to be the case...
People here love garlic and onions, so I'm eating them too usually raw, but sometimes cooked...
It's a funny experience. People in general look very healthy and I see that, compared to Japan, people here look much better.
People hide from the sun as to have a clear skin is sign of beauty... Funny too.
I'm going to make a test and purchase some packages of dried sea weed (the ones used in sushi, makizushi) and try to compare these with chlorella. Not for myself, as I love chlorella, but for other people reading the thread that find chlorella much too expensive.
Let's see how it goes...
As for allergies, I've been also very surprised it is possible to get rid of them through balancing the body, using YOUR OWN saliva as a start point! It's not a fast treatment, like the AI, but it worths doing it, I think.
I wonder if this is not THE REASON (being allergy free from toxins, metals...) why my body started flushing these metals out? it's like storage places get open, metals get flushed out, then some bacteries or fungi get activated (as I suppose they were hiding there)....
Then you just kill the bacteries or fungi, and a problematic point stops to be problematic.
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I've been walking up and down the hills in South Korea, that is extremely hilly. Under strong winds but no rain.
And 2 supplements test: CGF chorella and my magnesium from Sanum... I take these on and off, just once a day. Amazing. Ah, and my saliva product early morning, round 5 (I think?).
I thought it was not possible that these saliva products would kill, but they test as killing SOMETIMES. After malaria went dormant, i got candida albicans testing (probably from the die off of malaria?), without symptoms. they tested in my GI tract.
But a new saliva product tested as enough to get rid of it. So I didn't take anything else against it this time. Specially because all my Sanum are at home, not here. Now no more candida testing.
No fatigue during the trip except for what's expected (as after 6-7 hours standing and walking, it is normal...). And first days of jet lag... as it's 7 hours of difference.
No pains either...
I don't know when I will need my borrelia through photons again, but it just ocurred to me that I could do a photon treatment before it tests? Just an idea I had recently...
Photons work great on borrelia, agree with Bejoy, but not on malaria. It works great on some bacteries, some fungi - candida, and on most viruses (?).
If I suspect any flu symptom (or cold symptom) after taking so many airplanes, I will certainly just collect some running nose samples, make a mother tincture with it with vodka or whatever I have in hands, and test for either PHOTOONING the homeopathic solution OR ingesting, spraying on my nose and throat.
I suspect that photons work VERY well on viruses. No need to panick with the actual swine flu, I suppose...
I feel like photons and homeopathy are a powerful gun against many pathogens (but not all, that is SURE)!
Some candida respond very well to photons ONLY, even. But with nosodes AND L-forms nosodes from candida, these critters have not much chance...
Have a nice weekend you all.
Mine will be hell inside airplanes and car...
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Great to hear from you Selma, and interesting to know how you are faring and what you are taking on your trip. Have a safe journey home.
Thanks for the further explanation, Shimmy. Like you, I had no idea that Lyme was part of the picture when I did the hydrocortisone protocol, nor the steroid cream. Your logic about all of this makes sense to me, and I don't want to prejudge the use of h/c either. At least until the body can (hopefully) get regulated on its own.
Thank you, bejoy - excellent points. There does need to be differentiation between ``Lyme Disease'' and whatever Borrelia strain(s) is involved - I even hate to call it Borrelia burgdorferi, since there are other strains that might be in play. And then there's dis-ease, in general.
And I need to clarify one other thing.... In my previous post, I said: ``at some point - traditional remedies MUST BE administered in order to treat the person + the disease.''
This is strictly from observation of Classical Homeopathy. Please, don't anyone construe this to mean that I believe that homeopathics are the ONLY way to treat ``the person + the disease''. I simply don't have a ready `model' to study that combines homeopathics and other modes of adjunctive treatment, whether its photons, herbs, acupuncture, or Rife, etc..... I'm simply supplying some info on the homeopathic side of things, perhaps so we can all better understand what to expect from photons + nosodes/ homeopathics.
So, it seems the nosodes + photons is great for knocking back some critical infectious organisms. But it doesn't mean they won't resurface.... they aren't eradicated, but they aren't operating at a level that causes dis-ease. Would that be a fair statement?
I love your list of what may have been `precipitating' events leading up to chronic illness/infections, and I think it is right on target. In each of us, a `perfect storm' was created as certain factors all came together to create our individual `imbalances'.
My list would have similar entries..... and I would list one other thing that maybe nobody else would think of:
Years and years of suppressing underarm perspiration with a high-powered antiperspirant (Mitchum). Unfortunately, it worked great.
Homeopathic literature is absolutely full of entries like `effects of suppressed sweat' or `as a result of suppressed foot sweat' as a causation for many, many complaints and states of illness. Obviously, suppression of perspiration blocks a natural path of detoxification, so it makes SO much sense. (BTW, I always wondered how you suppress foot sweat, especially back in the 1800's. I think it was with various powders.)
Anybody else use antiperspirants?
Sparkle, Gigi herself got the wrong impression about the Bionic 880 treatment. She construed `cured of Borrelia' to mean `cured of Lyme'. Dr. W's claims to cure Lyme were true, to the extent that his treatment eliminated certain strains of Borrelia known to cause Lyme. That's why his `Lyme cure' rate was so high. But that wasn't understood until later. It's an easy misinterpretation to make on anybody's part. The language barrier didn't help matters. The prevalence of co-infections in the USA didn't help either - Dr. W. didn't anticipate that. I think he was quite confounded when he encountered USA patients. I don't blame anyone.
Sparkle, I think your experience with the liver cleanse, the discovery of the flukes and maybe other critters has been very eye-opening for all of us. As you pointed out, this could have been a MAJOR problem for you all this time, and the infections simply piled on top of it. (I do suspect you have infections, but dealing with the parasite issue may make the infections much less problematic.) Thanks for allowing me to learn from your experience.
In fact, thanks to everyone for the same reason.
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Selma, so good to hear from you again!
Interesting about the seaweed. My chiro gave me Alaria seaweed in capsules to prevent hepatic re-uptake (instead of cholestyramine.) It makes sense that this would also lower cholesterol.
I decided to eat similar seaweed rather than buying so many capsules. My family LOVES it! They can't get enough.
I wonder what it is about malaria that doesn't respond to light and nosodes for you. I think babesia is responding for me, but hard to tell for sure yet. I'll have to ask a few more questions. Finally I can trust my testing again most of the time, since the mycotoxin load is down.
I need to learn how the tapping Selma does to open regulation when the toxins get high.
Tracy, good points about the initial claims regarding the Bionic treatment. Yes, it kills Bb very well with the right nosodes, but doesn't cure the whole disease. The confusion is understandable.
I'm inspired to do a liver cleanse and some of Selma's saliva preparations. It will be about another week for me until I add something new.
I'm still hitting the molds and mycotoxins from the air sample, but they test as probably just one more treatment. Then I'll need to go hunting for more strains to treat, and some more lower GI support as those symptoms are back.
I'm thinking I'll probably do an Asyra reading to work off of, since the computer has so many things programmed in.
I need to do a major leaky gut reconstruction. I think that's my main issue now, after years of candida and other fungals, popping Ibuprophen, hydrocortizone, some antibiotics, and loads of coffee.
Now finally, I am looking at Sanum for milieu adjustment.
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I don't mean to bash anyone but some people have a powerful sway over others since they seem to be well informed. It's just that we are all very different & there is no "one size fits all" treatment.
Someone PMed me & said that a number of people who bought the Bionic 880 over treated themselves & ended up quite ill from it. I don't want to say too much since it was a private message.
I just would like people to know that over treatment with infrared light can be dangerous. It's a great new modality but it's not a cure all. Treating more or longer may not necessarily be the best thing for everyone to do.
This is why I am posting that this treatment must be used with caution. GiGi knows alot but she's not a physician. Her advice & info are interesting but I don't believe anyone should be blindly followed. We are all very different. It made matters worse since she was getting a profit from sales of the Bionic 880.
I just would like to be clear about this. Playing around with infrared light is not a good idea. People have PMed me who have gotten ill from it.
I'm not against it but you have to be careful whether it's the LightWorks, PE1 or the Bionic 880 or some other device. I am not against experimenting with this - just be cautious.
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Sparkle, in my opinion, you do come across as bashing Gigi (your choice of words) and you have done this several times in the past. This does not reflect positively on you, it just comes across that you have some personal beef you are putting out here against Gigi.
If you think people need to be careful with light therapy, than say that. Gigi is not responsible for people experimenting on themselves and neither are you although you posted much information on the LightWorks.
We all need to proceed cautiously whatever new therapy we try and take personal responsibility for our choices.
Sparkle, you are not a doctor either are you? And yet you liberally dispense advice -- I look at you as one of the influential people on this board due to the amount of posts you make.
I don't blindly follow anyone on this board and I don't believe most people here do. I see it as everyone being kind enough to share experiences and I am glad to see people following up with info on their various treatments as time goes by so we all can see how it plays out -- good or bad. This may be how we will in time hopefully find new treatments that will be appropriate for our needs.
I apprectiate everyone's effort to share what they are doing and hope they feel free to continue to do so.
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Thank you, Looking, for your very wise post: we must all feel free to post any changes in our views of therapies we may have previously been enthusiastic about, otherwise we are misleading others simply to 'save face'.
As you say, ultimately we are all responsible for our own research and choices of treatment; ideed we are all perforce sharing a huge learning curve about a devastating illness: let's not waste energy and emotion seeking to blame other people for our decisions To do so means that we put people off posting potentially useful experience, good or bad,
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Looking - I never tell anyone what to do. I only write about what I do & what I find out. GiGi really insulted me on a number of occasions. I mean REALLY kicked me where it hurts at a time I was going through alot of emotional pain, as well as illness.
I believe she did this to discredit me since she was selling a product & it cut into her profits. I was trying to relate that there other approaches to using infrared light & posted my experiments on myself.
As it turns out, she was making money off of people buying a product she was endorsing. Many people were hurt by this.
I'm not selling anything & I don't care if people want to listen to what I say. I do feel what people have told me is very important since some people were mislead into thinking that infrared light is a cure all.
People have very recently PMed me about this & I'd like to keep them out of it since it was private. I do think it's important that people know that some people have gotten very ill by using the Bionic 880 at home on their own.
I'm sorry if my position is offensive to you. I'm just trying to let people know that there are dangers of using infrared light. I have expressed this in the past & I want to express this again to save people from being hurt or making themselves ill.
From what I understand, GiGi is no longer using the device that she told people to do everything that they could to buy - including bagging groceries to make money to afford it.
That's all I care to say about this. I'm just stating what happened. I didn't make it up. Aside from my own feelings, it was a betrayal of people's trust. If you don't feel that way, it's your prerogative.
I'm not making money from endorsing products. I'm just looking for a way to get well & sharing my experiences.
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Well, Sparkle, you've insulted Gigi back too and seem to feel justified about it. I wish for your own sake you would just move on, it is appearing a bit obsessive.
You can try to say you are saving people but if that's the case I haven't seen anyone post saying they have been saved by you.
I would like to see you post your own viewpoints & experiences without inserting "Gigi" in there somewhere. It just detracts from any useful info you are trying to share.
You did suggest above to Selma that she do a parasite cleanse and yet you are not a doctor. That is more than just sharing your experience. Are you then responsible if she has a bad reaction to your suggestion? No different than someone saying I suggest you use the Bionic 880.
quote "Selma, I would suggest that you do a good parasite cleanse before doing the liver flush. Hulda Clark has lots of info about it."quote
Sparkle, you have interesting things to say and I would like to hear them without you bringing up Gigi again & again. A lot of bitterness is coming across to me. If Gigi is no longer recommending a device you say she is making money off of, then she sure is a lousy salesman.
I believe your energy is better spent fighting lyme not other posters. This can affect your healing & I certainly wish you the best in that regard.
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A note about my experience with amount of time spent with photons.
At first I was testing as being able to use the Lightorks for only a matter of seconds at a time. Under a minute. As time went on it turned into minutes and the minutes turned into an hour. When it got to two hours I bought the PE-1.
Now I test for using the PE-1 on level 8-10 for under 8 minutes. Now light from Lightworks feels like a child's toy, compared to when I first started and a minute was too much.
Based on some reports I recall reading, I believe the PE-1 might be stronger than the Bionic. I'd love to compare some day, given the opportunity.
Everyone is different. I believe I read somebody say he used the PE-1 for hours a day and got well doing it.
Most of my photon time has been with nosodes. Timing may be very different without them.
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I'm not sure what kind of ax you have to grind in all of this, Looking. I'm not sure where you are going with this...
I'm sorry you have an issue with my opinions. Maybe you should just scroll on by if you find my comments distasteful.
I'm not getting a commission for selling anything. It has been disclosed that GiGi was. It's not a myth or fabrication. Isn't it enough to know that?
People here have made suggestions to me in friendliness because they care that I may like to try them. I can decide if I'd like to do them or not. I have some familiarity with Selma. She has communicated to me many times.
If she would like to follow my suggestion, it good. If not, that fine, too. She's a grown up & can make up her own mind.
I do take offense that people here misrepresent themselves. They seem to be offering their experiences but are only trying to make some money.
I'm not really sure why you would want to defend GiGi. She clearly violated the trust of some of the people who post here. I have a very good reason why I'm bringing this up. People are getting ill from over-use of the Bionic 880.
Some people may do well with it & it might not effect them but some do get ill from overusing infrared light. I believe it is a useful tool but one must take precautions.
Since I posted my experience with the LightWorks, I'm trying to be responsible & say that if you use these tools or devices - you really need to be careful.
I'm not just going to post that this is a cure all & then crawl into the woodwork & not say that there are dangers just to protect my ego. I can't ignore it when people PM me & say that the infrared light has made them ill.
It has made me ill on occasions. That's why I'm not using it right now. I was using the LightWorks which was about 8 times less strong than the Bionic 880. If the LightWorks can make people ill - what do you think something that is 8 times stronger will do?
The PE 1 also fits into this category. It is about the same strength of the Bionic 880 (or it may be stronger as bejoy suggested). People can start off feeling better by using these tools but it can change very quickly.
All of the sudden, people have told me that they ended up in the ER. Others, don't seem to feel a thing & it does nothing. So, this technology is unpredictable.
I can't have a clear conscience & not say anything about it. It does have something to do with GiGi because she has not shared with us the long term implications of using these devices. She's the one who started us all into researching the use of infrared technology.
She feels comfortable enough to post on the AI thread. Why doesn't she tell us about her experience with the Bionic 880? There must be a reason why it's collecting dust in her garage.
This is important to know. GiGi has used this technology longer than most of us here. We really need to know if there are dangers.
I have heard that people have gotten ill from using this technology but they don't want to post it here for whatever reasons. Maybe they are afraid of ridicule or getting emotionally involved in defending their reasons...? I don't know.
If this is all not true, fine... but if it is - it's really important that we know about it. Maybe people are PMing me to start rumors? I don't know. All I know is that the infrared light can be very strong & it can make you ill if you aren't careful - even if you have been to see Dr. W or have a practitioner.
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Carry: Thanks for your post, I also wish to know if anyone changes their opinion on treatment as they go along.
Bejoy: The info you shared on light tolerance increasing over time is very interesting, thanks for the update.
Sparkle: You are just repeating once again what you already said before -- I don't understand why you feel that's necessary. My point is let's move forward with this discussion on light. There is no lyme treatment that I have heard of at this time that is without it's drawbacks. People will get ill with overuse (misuse) of any treatment, why should light be any different?
Light therapy may or may not prove to be everything we hope it to be. Time will tell and at this point there are a few here who are sharing their journey with light therapy no matter where it takes them. Some seem to be doing better with it than others, but we see that in other treatments as well.
Maybe the allergie treatments first will be key for some, then photons & nosodes or progurt or even something we haven't heard of yet. It's all still experimental at this time. I believe those reading this thread realize that.
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Sparkle your still holding some emotional baggage from GiGi. Looking is quite right, it would be healthier for you to move forward. To do this, consider forgiving GiGi for those slights you've felt in the past. Not because GiGi needs your forgiveness, you should just forgive her for your own health.
In the mean time, think how highly folks see you now. You are a well respected and thought of person within our community and a good friend.
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Yes Sparkle. This is turning out to be a bit of a black eye. We're only judgmental of others because we ourselves feel a need to judge.
There is a positive and non-personal way to spin everything you want to say about the bionic. Making things personal only hurts ourselves.
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As kind as Gigi has been to share information over the years as it seems from looking at her standing on lymenet, she did come across harsh to Sparkle and she did to me as well when I was a beginner poster telling me to go do my homework after I had been online for hours searching the archives before I posted.
Hurts are real experiences. And we can hurt ourselves to death as Gregg Braden says.. dying of a broken heart.
When I felt hurt, someone took the time to contact me offlist and validate my experience and that helped tremendously. I am 47 years old and I need validation, yes I do. I am not a perfectly sewn up individual.
Sparkle was treated harshly. She was also right and is right. The bionic is not a cure all. The other photon devices may be at least beneficial or as beneficial expecially when looking at this from an individual standpoint. She is also right that we do not know the effects of the photons over time. (the building up idea makes sense, bejoy but still we do not know over time the effect.. hopefully we can read our bodies and know when enough is enough and that will be enough info)
As for forgiveness. Forgiveness is not letting the other person off the hook or covering up the truth of ones experience. It is walking away from that energy truth and knowing intact and applying compassion first to yourself. It helps if others also do the same. Then sometimes we are able to extend compassion, which is understanding that we are all imperfect, to the other.
Also.. there is a group mentality that takes over when something hopeful is being presented.. right? This bionic trip is what 10-12 thousand and although we are all adults here, we are all kind of vulnerable adults in ways. Thats why it is very important not to "sell" (and I mean that not literally) a therapy. I know most of the time folks are very careful about that.
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Hey guys, I'm inviting in PMs people who had bad experiences with infrared light to write me! We do NEED to know how they used, in which conditions, who built the treatment protocol, which device etc.
I wonder why they don't openly post as this is important.
We are ALL wanting to READ more about other people's experiences, no matter what they are. So, please guys and gals, post about your experiences, good or bad! I would like to know, at least!
Water... If you drink too much water, you'll get sick. Same for teas, any teas, too much is no good. WHATEVER you do IMPLY risks. Not to mention taking abx for years. Or ANYTHING ELSE.
As for advice, I'm open to everything. I had denied too many things in the past that proved to be good for me later. Even energetic tests.
But it doesn't mean I will follow the advice. Like most of us here!
Please, IF POSSIBLE, open another thread for parallel personal discussions, IF they bring nothing new but are just repetition. If they bring something new, it's fine though to keep them going on. I'm just suggesting that so that we don't get into uninteresting discussions for too long.
But as for the negative experiences, I'm VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW, as ALL OF US here, I suppose?
Only knowing in detail the conditions of use we'll know HOW does the Bionic or other infrared damaged these people.
Alpha lipoic acid can be miraculous for some, and very bad for others, or taken in bad timing, it could be bad, and taken in another time, wonderful. So is light. So is andrographis. Cumanda. Most chelators. Nosodes taken without light make very little impact, while taken with photons can make a huge impact.
Nosodes taken through light without right cleansers make more damage than good. Same for antibiotics or killer herbs. Parasite killing without proper cleansing, the same. Rife. Metal mobilizers can cause you permanent neuro damage. And so on.
Even taking sun can make some people feel sick, right? So why not infrared? Sunlight has infrared.
We know for sure that FIR saunas can mobilize metals all over, right? So people can actually feel much worse after a sauna. Does it mean FIR sauna is bad? The bad item in the FIR sauna is the infrared then?
Does it mean taking sun is bad in itself?
I don't know how many of you people still suffer from neurolyme, but I feel it's more than clear to me that nothing is 'neutral', nor even water.
In macrobiotic diet, water is bad, only warm teas are seen as good. Cold water is to be avoided and big comsumption of water too.
I don't follow macrobiotic but I saw a woman coming back from the dead only following macrobiotic. So even water consumption is NOT a one-thing-fit-all, good for everyone. At least, this water avoidance for a temporary period seemed to have helped this lady who is still alive today after decades having got cancer.
Probably not even sunlight is, in certain diseases, meaning, probably in some cases, at least temporarily, sun avoidance could be good for some in certain part of their treatment. Who knows Marshall is not totally wrong? I never followed it though and did supplement with Vit. D in my worst times just because it tested so and I felt better on it...
I mean, I hope this is clear by now. That everything from sunlight, water to expensive devices like Rife, KMT, photon devices, everything is not a GOOD x BAD thing.
People on the KPU protocol report feeling bad after it. Does it mean this is bad or good? Is it bad because it makes you feel bad or is it good because it is making you finally detox?
Herxes are good in themselves because it means critters are dying and making you feel miserable? Or herxes are bad because you shouldn't be feeling toxic and overloading all your detox organs?
Unfortunately, feeling good or bad temporarily is just one parameter, in my opinion. It's not a definite answer to if a treatment is good or bad.
I CRAVE for reading other people experiences with photons! And invite you guys to post, so that it will help us all understand the limits or wonders of this mode of treatment.
I feel people here in the thread were quite respectful of each others' experiences. I hope I wasn't intimidating anyone. Please post!!
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R62, what you say in your post echoes some of my thoughts too. I dont know a lot about what has happened here in the past but in my view and in my experience if someone feels the need to bring something up again and again, it is probably because they havent been or felt 'heard' in the first place. Sometimes a simple acknowledgement of the hurt can do wonders to help a person move on because it validates what has happened.
Ultimately of course as you say we have to manage our own 'energy' in any situation and choose to hold on or not hold on to stuff that hurts us, whether we get what we want from the other person or not.
Welcome back Selma!
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There is a tendency to see one person as being attacked and then to sweep under the rug all that is being said by the supposed "attacker." And that makes the situation worse.
When intentional people validate experience, they are not taking sides or causing more harm.
I think so...
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By "positive spin" I didn't mean sugar coating. I just meant not being personal.
I don't believe it it necessary for others to forgive us to forgive others, because that means the quality of our human experience hinges on the word of another. What I do believe is that when we give we shouldn't expect to receive, but rather we give because the act of giving (or forgiving in this case) is purging in itself. If we can't see that, on a macro level how in the world can we ever get better?
We are only in control of ourselves, how we construe others' words & behavior, how much of it we take to heart, our responses to those words. In fact, we are in utter control of all those things, and those are the things we should focus on. To think anything else about being hurt by words is reflective of our reputation, and that is nothing but the ego talking.
If we all learned to just worry about ourselves, much of this back and forth would be nipped at the bud. Unbelievable how much energy we sickies waste trying to diffuse conflict when the power is within ourselves.
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Light therapy may only be as effective as how much nitrous oxide is inside our cells and maintaining sufficient levels.
Hopefully Marnie can comment, but I believe our cells use nitrous oxide as the means to defend itself against invaders such as viruses and possibly cyst and l-form bacteria. This was something Marnie mentioned sometime ago. However if LED stimulate nitrous oxide release as a defense mechanism, it gets dispelled, then it needs to be supplemented to ensure sufficient stores.
I now have a suspicion the use of LED or excess sunlight depletes nitrous oxide in the body. So initially you feel well from the LED use then over time you are depleting your stores of it. This can make you feel worse.
I think this might be the link between feeling good or bad from light therapy. In either case having enough nitrous oxide in the body is very important. You can't move dangerous toxins or much of anything else unless our arteries and veins are dilated enough.
It could also explain why many lymies have high levels of ammonia and why are PH values become more acidic.
This may tie two discoveries together to rebuild the body's terrain.
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Nitric Oxide metabolism being UPregulated has been implicated in chronic fatigue, both by Dr. David Bell and Martin Pall PhD. When NO combines with superoxide it forms peroxynitrite. NO is a double-edged sword... it can do a lot of good (like bob mentioned about dilation) but it can also lead to a ton of bad (when it increases free radical production).
The key is to keep it in balance.
Bob, if you could kindly explain why you think low NO is tied to excess ammonia, I would appreciate it. From what I understand, there is a combination of the mutation in the CBS enzyme in the transsulfuration pathway that leads to excess ammonia & sulfite production in many of us (which can be a potential explanation for the high H2S just discovered by Dr. Meirleir). Also, ammonia is largely removed via the urea cycle in the liver (80-90% of it) so if the liver isn't functioning optimally, much will be left to endogenous ammonia recirculation. There is also protein catabolism going on since our aerobic metabolism is screwed...which creates more ammonia in the gut (and goes back up to the liver via the portal vein)
Also, there are many explanations for why the pH is high... anaerobic metabolism is sufficient by itself to explain via excess production of lactic acid.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts on this
-joey
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I guess it would be better to view arginine creating nitric oxide which binds to ammonia creating nitrous oxide, thus removing the ammonia.
So the excess nitrous oxide balance might come from using a combination of arginine with LED therapy.
If we look at this as a cycle, we become more inert due to disease. We create excess ammonia and due to pathological issues our arginine production falls off. Then we have a reduction of nitrous oxide inside our cells making them more susceptible to pathogens.
To reverse the cycle supplement arginine to create more nitrous oxide over time and reduce ammonia load on the body. At the same time use LED therapy to reduce nitrous oxide. At least this is the thought for discussion.
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