I just wondered if anyone here has used the Desbio drainage remedies for detox support? If so did you find them particularly effective? I'm thinking of trying them.
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Congrats Selma!! Wow... I want someone to measure my photon field =)
I hope you do better on the KPU now that everything else is in place. It's rough for a lot of us.
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I've been very cautiously optimistic about the Bionic from day one.. and due to my overtreating I was even more so. Later on, I used my lack of improvement with respect to CFS symptoms to substantiate that the machine is not enough for chronic lyme patients with CFS-dominant symptoms (or CFS patients--whatever you wanna call what you have). I stand by that point.
However, in my last 4 evaluations (my primary energetic doctor who uses muscle testing, 2 zyto evaluations, and 1 epfx/scio evaluation) I can actually say with confidence that infections overall are not a big problem for me. Borrelia only shows up on one zyto evaluation, and the area where it was showing up as a problem was refuted by my primary through direct testing...so I'm still unsure about that particular finding. In any case, it doesn't matter because I intend to use the Bionic for infection management anyway. If you'd only seen how many infections I was dealing with before I left for Germany. I was a hot mess.
As for a cure... I have yet to hear of anything that is a cure, unless you have straight lyme disease or straight lyme & co-infections, in which case any of these machines will do. Many of us deal with a host of other issues that need proper support through other treatments. I have yet to hear of any kind of eletromagnetic machine that chelates heavy metals. I don't believe heavy metals go as soon as infections go, because heavy metals are conductors. A very basic scenario is that emotions are harbored in organs(according to Chinese medicine). If subconscious conflicts aren't resolved or released, metals simply will not let go. Dr. Klinghardts talks often of subconscious conflicts being much of the basis of the altered terrain which attracts disease.I have been chelating aggressively with the best chelators money can buy for the last year, but my heavy metals & chemicals are still off the charts. As I've been working on detoxing gallbladder/liver more aggressively, these emotions have reared their ugly heads.
I also believe the ozone sauna + insufflation will be very beneficial because it should oxidize the intracellular metals/toxins. Do you guys know if any oral chelators on the market get inside the cells?
However, since I am now done with the AI treatment (and theoretically my immune system has begun recognizing metals & chemicals) I am considering treating these with the bionic. Any thoughts on this?
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Hi Joey, thats great to hear that your infections are not a major problem for you now and its encouraging for me too.
For chelators, Alpha Lipoic Acid is definitely supposed to chelate intracellular mercury according to Andy Cutler and Boyd Haley claims that OSR does too. Anyway you probably know that already..
Nothing else that I'm aware of (apart from FCT & NES remedies which are similar to AI), as DMSA & DMPS are only supposed to work extracellularly arent they.
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Shimmy, thanks!
I used the Systemic drainage a couple of times, but Bejoy used it more. I hope she chimes in.
I think my body still prefers the Heel products (the ones dr. W. uses and others) and some of Sanum (like rubbed Sanuvis). The magic mix Ubichinon Citro Coenzyme is also a must for us.
As for the camphora D200, that is another unexpensive and amazing product for lymph drainage, I use it only rubbed. My daughter also loves it as it relaxes her when she gets a cold.
--- Joey, I wished I could do the photon field 'reading' like he does... My hands have to go too far away to feel it, so I can't do on myself, or practice on myself....
Yes, IT IS amazing what photons + nosodes do to some infections!!! I can't agree more, this is for me the best killing method I ever encountered for borrelia!
As for metal chelators, that is mostly my impression too. No matter how much money you spend, you can't chelate MOST metals only through chemical products. Not from what I call 'storage places'...
the places that usually get infections often will be the places that store heavy metals, in my feeling. At least, that is how they keep testing for me.
I guess for me, 8 things helped to move metals so far.
1- Oral chelators helped the easiest load to go, binders like chlorella cleaned the general mess extracellular and in organs.
2- Then some type of psychological treatment unblocked some body parts, that's right.
3- Then there was neural therapy and accupucnture, they did some more. NT does some marvelous things to unblock blocked areas of the body and I do NT now only through tapping (without needles, fortunately).
4- I think things like switchings also keep metals blocked as we often have switchings on the places that have long term troubles (organs that had been infected or meridians that got 'sick'). Treating switchings helped too, I feel.
5- I did photon wave, another type of photon therapy with heavy metal vials through the eyes, and I did feel it moved metals too, as I had herx-like reactions after each session.
6- My PE1, I believe, helps to move metals only with Nogier, but also with the help of homeopathic vials of metals. I also used Nurse Andi's vial, but I can't remember exactly how (through photons, I suppose?). I need to go back to my notes.
7- The saliva dilutions unblocked other pockets probably because my body started to recognize some of the metals as being 'garbage'. I'm not done with it yet though.
8- Sanum treatments to get rid of fungi / candida also help as these infections love to live with heavy metals. I feel like while we kill parasites or candida and help our body to eliminate debris, it's like doing metal detox...
But I still test for the KPU... I wonder if I wouldn't add the KPU to my item 1 above, only as a sophisticated oral chelator protocol...
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Joey, I think Gigi did this heavy metal detox treatment with photons, if I remember well.
It would be interesting to test my heavy metal vials now AGAIN, BEFORE I start on the KPU, just to see if the fact that my body is not allergic to mercury, if it can FLUSH it out only with homeopathic dilutions THROUGH photons...
I'm too tired today to do that though, as it's almost midnight now. It would be too easy to be true...
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Shimmy, I use the DesBio Systemic Drainage in a vial, every time I photon. The times I have not, I get congested lymph and other herx symptoms.
I have not tried the products that Selma suggests for detox, but so far her ideas that I have tried have been all great for me.
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I want to try the camphora remedy, but can't find the pure substance or the preparation around here yet. I'll keep looking around.
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Joey, I seem to be clear of the major lyme and coinfection bugs, all but maybe some Babesia, but still have CFS.
I'm still working on some major fungal issues. I tend to wonder if these came first along with mercury amalgams, and made me more susceptible to lyme and co's.
My adrenals bounce back, and then tank again with fungal treatment herx, then continue to improve. It can be an hourly or daily thing, and usually comes with fibro pain.
So far I've made good progress with photons and DesBio FNG, also from a homemade remedy from a house mold sample, and I've started with some Sanum products. I'd hate to tell you the before and afters, but the progress is good.
So far I am a firm believer in doing something to help the body recognize the things we are trying to eliminate.
My response is much more rapid when the "sensitivity" issue is addressed first. I'm excited for your possibilities having finished AI.
I think Sanum is going to hold the key for dealing with fungals. And as Selma said, killing fungals releases metals.
My answers for clearing out metals continue to be chlorella, MSM, garlic, and sweat and exercise.
Gentle little flower remedies are the most powerful kick butt treatments I could possibly imagine for clearing emotional patterns. I'm hovering over an oldy but goody myself right now.
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At first I could only do seconds of lightworks. This week I did 20 minutes PE1 level 10. That's what I tested for, and it was good.
I used it with Nogiers while treating with nosodes. I find I don't need the Nogiers for nosodes, but they are an added bonus to the organs and connective tissues.
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What is photon field reading, I wonder. I think I see or sense photon fields naturally, and that's why I was drawn to this therapy. I don't know.
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Could we move away from the Gigi/Bionic controversy here?
Perhaps someone should start a new topic about `What is the truth about the Bionic and AI treatments?' Perhaps that would an avenue where people could post their concerns and negative experiences for all to read and see. Maybe some of those folks who feel they were harmed by the Bionic treatment will step forward there.
That way, if emotions or behavior get out of control - and most of us have seen that all too often in the past - it would be much easier for the Moderators to step in and restore order. (And in a worst case scenario, THAT will be the thread that gets deleted by the Moderators and not THIS thread. Let's have a little consideration for our fellow posters here who have spent time and effort posting what they hope might be helpful to others.)
Okay, back on track here.
Bejoy, it seems that this allergy/sensitivity issue can run in 2 directions: Either a hyper-reaction to a substance or pathogen, or a hypo-reaction where the body doesn't recognize a problem when it should. Both are inappropriate responses by the body.
Good to know about being careful when treating someone else. This properties of this light stuff just amazes me.
Since acupuncture points seem to be important here, this may be sort of related........ I ran across some information compiled by Dr. Auguste Weihe, a French homeopath..... he mapped out correlations between specific remedies and certain small points of pain on the bodies of patients. These are called Weihe Points (or Points of Weihe). This immediately made me think of the odd `tender points' that are used to `diagnose' Fibromyalgia patients! And what would photons do on these points?
Copies of original drawings showing the corresponding Weihe Points/remedies have been scanned and are available online. The remedy names are not always easy to read, but I found the concept rather fascinating. I don't know enough about acupuncture meridians to know if there is a correlation. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can dig out my links. The basic index to the anatomical drawings is in French, but I just used Google translator and saved the page (somewhere, lol).
R62, I like the idea of' balance' that your (one) practitioner is using. This makes so much sense to me.
Congratulations on your new `healthy' label! The past couple of years must seem like a dream to you now.....
Selma, what was the remedy and potency you used on the ants? I'd love to know that one........
Selma, if you can find a remedy to spray on clothes to repel ticks - that would be SO AMAZING! If you found one for ants, maybe you can for ticks! Wohoo!
Thanks, Selma, for your comment about the ability of homeopathics alone to heal Lyme. It CAN be done, although I'm not sure the current knowledge of homeopathy is sufficient for it to happen in every case. Too many pathogens, too many body mistunements, too many miasms - all these confuse the picture and choice of remedies for the average homeopath.
On the Camphora D200, you said you use this for `rubbing' only. So, did you order this as a liquid remedy, or make a liquid remedy yourself?
I'm looking at the Pyroluria thing, too.....
Is there more than one KPU protocol? Could someone provide a link so I don't have to chase it down?
Could the `photon field' be comparable to the `aura' field?
Good points about the subconscious conflicts, Joey. I think this must be key.
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) about did me in.... I had no idea what I was messing with. My heart still isn't right. I may have to try my `ALA Remedy' after all... use caution, caution, caution with ALA.....
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I dont know about the Heel products but they sound very interesting and the same for the camphora too..
Bejoy your post is very interesting as I have longstanding fungal & adrenal issues too and I know that fungal infections can put great strain on the adrenals, again I think its chicken & egg situation with cortisol and fungus..
I do suspect that in my case mercury & candida led to me being suscetible to CFS/lyme too, as I had had candida issues all throughout my teens, partly due to poor diet, and this was many yrs prior to me getting ill with CFS ... and I also had a few mercury fillings so I know my immune system was already under some stress and there were signs of weakness showing before I came down with CFS, which was eventually triggered by vaccines.
I'm hoping as I continue to chelate my fungal issues will be sorted out once and for all..
Its great to hear that the Desbio products have been so effective for you and its also interesting to hear your thoughts on the Sanum products too.
Best wishes.
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You're welcome, Shimmy.
I'm starting on the KPU protocol as soon as the supplements arrive. Again, another protocol for metal detox, let's see what is the outcome. It seems it is a powerful protocol though.
I had asked if Depyrrol homoepathic would be of any help, and got NO. So it's got to be the real substances!!
In fact, I don't know what kind of improvement of symptoms I can have with this KPU protocol, but I can test that with my daughter that is still not out of the microbial soup.
She's much better, but she still gets infections active here and then. I know she is still allergic to things like chemicals, so I guess I could see outcomes more with her now, than with myself. Let's see!
I'm going to try to convince hubby to do that. He IS certainly loaded with heavy metals, as he never really took chelators (only chlorella as binder).
--- Tracy, the Weihe points... Good to know a crazy doc was using points of the body for intake of homeopathy, if I understood well? This is sooo interesting!
It makes me think and re-think our bodies as energetic beings, not simply a large amount of skin and hair.
It has some correlation to the way nosodes THROUGH photons work, it seems! The homeopathy alone has small impact for very sick guys, I believe, IN COMPARISON to homeopathy through photons.
Very sick guys probably have a sick photon field (aura, whatever you want to call it, I guess the best name is still photon field as it is MEASURABLE with instruments, while aura is more woo woo stuff).
Homeopathy acts in this field, at least, I believe so. If the field itself is sick and weak, the homeopathic information is not as strong to heal IN COMPARISON to homeopathy with photon boosting!!
That is my impression.
Would you have the drawings of Weihe? I got the description of points, but it would be SO MUCH easier to SEE the points in drawings! It would be great!!!
I was only testing 3 points, solar plexus, mediastinum and 3rd eye for intake thought photons, but most simple homeopathics don't test there, usually.
Now that I see Weihe has done an extensive list of homeopathic products AND the correspondent accupuncture points, well, THAT GETS VERY INTERESTING!!
I will CERTAINLY try to find out if the homeopathics that test for me in the future could be taken through these Weihe points, WITH the help of photons!!!
People that haven't used the photons can't imagine what kind of technology this is, in relation to BOOSTING homeopathic messages in the body.
It makes a whole difference, like comparing taking one sip of wine or taking the whole bottle of wine. Whatever therapeutic effects you want to get from wine(!), it makes a huge difference.
It seems like a whole field of therapy in itself is open (homeopathy alone is huge, then coupled with accupuncture and meridians in TCM that is another huge field...). Fascinating!
If Weihe is right, and if photons can help those homeopathics to be taken through these accu points, well, this could be a big hit for homeopathy!
Ferrum metalicum C30, against small insects (sort of plant lice, I think in English)...
I am not sure what I used for the ants now... I guess it was Berberis D15. I keep trying things, and I didn't take notes this time. If not Berberis, it could be Abrotanum D4.
Let the ants come back again, and I can re-test them. So far, no trace of ants. They are really gone. My impression though is that each species tests different! At least, they tested different for plants as repellents, so I suspect the same for homeopathic repellents?
I got 3 dead ticks from my daughter last week, in a bottle with alcohol. They test pathogen free, luckily. When I ask, Senega LM4 comes as tick repellent. My lyme doc seems it is VERY possible to find insect repellents through homeopathy.
I'm only afraid to spray my daughter with homeopathics as she will get treated with it. But I was thinking on clothes, that could help... And anyway, Senega is testing for these 3 ticks. Whatever other species of ticks, I wonder if they will be repelled by a single homeopathic.
The safest product so far I found as tick repellent was the borrelia LM6. At least, we have not caught any new borrelial infection since being on them. But 'clean' ticks or ticks with OTHER pathogens than borrelia still bite us.
I thought I could reproduce the experiment taking bartonella nosodes in LM dilutions, but unfortunately, it doesn't work like that... I don't think that ticks containing bart would stop biting us with bartonella nosodes... Unfortunatelly, because many ticks have bart.
I ordered Camphora in granules, 200K. I could have ordered it in liquid, but I find granules more stable than liquid. Then I dilute it again into a sort of 201 C dilution, add alcohol and apply.
--- Sorry to know about your heart, Tracy. Crossing fingers for you.
KPU, I guess you got to go to the other thread. --
Joey,
Intracellular detox, the NDF Plus does that. If I'm not mistaken even, cilantro does that. ALA. Phospholipid exchange, I guess it does too. I also wonder if nanonised chlorella, nanonized zeolites wouldn't do the job.
I also think that anything that is turned into homeopathic dilutions can go intracellular: the chlorella homeopathic, cilantro homeopathic, MSM homeopathic for example.
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Tracy, sorryyou're still troubled by the heart symptoms.
Mine too have come to a big crisis [beginning of last week]: even had to cancel our precious holiday to Corsica.
In the early hours of Sunday, when we should have been getting up to go to the airport, I was in Casualty [A and E] having an ECG! Oh, the ironies of life!
Anyway, mine turns out to be thyroxicosis [causing palpitations, sinus arrhythmia, faintness etc], quite severe, though have been on the same dose for years;
so I wanted to ask if YOU are on thyroid meds and whether this could be a culprit for you, as we have had similar symptoms.
My doctor thinks my thyroid may have started to work again, perhaps due to antibiotic treatment.
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Thanks for your feedback, Selma. I know you've had success with the Borrelia b. nosode to prevent Borrelia infection.... but as you say, these dirty ticks carry so much more than Borrelia.....
Yes, I found Dr. K's KPU protocol this morning.......
I'll dig out the link(s) to the drawings of the Weihe Points/ remedies......
Carry, I was so sorry to hear that you missed your vacation because of your heart issues. I read that earlier and meant to post to you.
Gosh, it would be wonderful if your thyroid starting working better on its own, wouldn't it? (Though the way you had to find out has been pretty scary.) I'd say that is a good indication of something positive that has changed.
So, how much did they reduce your thyroid medication dose? Was it pretty far off? Did they say you should see improvement in the heart department fairly quickly?
I hope you get rapid resolution of the problem, and can reschedule your vacation.... sounds like a wonderful trip was planned.
I do have some thyroid issues, though I'm not on thyroid meds. And there was a definite heart reaction to the Alpha Lipoic Acid that I can't ignore.
A non-cancerous `cold nodule' (area of inactivity) was discovered on my thyroid back in 2000..... my doc at the time put me on a small amount of Armour thyroid (bovine thyroid hormone) to see if the cold nodule might shrink, see if thyroid might help my constipation, dry skin, fatigue, low body temp., etc. I increased my intake based on taking my temperature several times a day.
All went well for awhile, and then I began to have heart palpitations from taking any Armour thyroid. So, I haven't been able to take any thyroid since - it's probably been 5 years since I even tried to. And I never had another scan done of my thyroid either.
Just a few weeks ago, a small cyst was discovered on my thyroid during an ultrasound of the carotid arteries in my neck. The doc thought the cyst was something different than the cold nodule, but wasn't sure. And my annual bloodwork reveals that my TSH levels keep dropping slightly, which makes docs think everything is wonderful. But it isn't. I've gained 20 pounds, my bowels are barely functioning, I'm dried up inside and out, and I'm colder than I've ever been.
I probably should have my thyroid scanned, but I feel like I'm just going to get caught up in the `medical madness' again, with partial answers, treatments I can't tolerate or radical approaches like removing my thyroid altogether. That was strongly suggested when the cold nodule was discovered.
(My carotid arteries looked fine, BTW. The reason for the scan is that I have a very strong pulse and sort of a bulge around the carotid artery on the left side of my neck but a very soft, light pulse on the R side. But since my carotids look good, the doc just smiles and sends me on my way. No attempt to explain this any further, though he said earlier that the pulses should be fairly equal. This is why I go see a `medical' doctor so seldom. I'm usually no better off than when I started, but my wallet is a lot lighter.)
Gee, sorry for the rant there, and the long answer to your question, though my thyroid issues are a bit outside the box.
I hope you are feeling better already!
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I thought the Weihe Points were intriguing, too, Selma.
As you probably discovered, Auguste Weihe lived in the 18th century..... and it seems that perhaps one of the key indications for using the Weihe Points is that there is some PAIN when that point is pressed. Here's what one homeopath wrote about it recently on a forum:
quote:If you know the body landmarks of the abdomen, thorax and spine, you can find the points. The landmarks are the bony parts that are easy to palpate. There is nothing to it except when the points are sensitive to pressure, that is added information suggesting that that remedy might be relevant to the case. ..... A lack of sensitivity probably does not mean the remedy won't work. I am not sure, but like most homeopathic information, the information is meant to be used only as supportive evidence and as an elimination device [for other remedies].
Here's the index page for the Weihe Point drawings. http://homeoint.org/books4/weihe/index.htm Though it is in French, if you go down to the links/buttons below the word `Atlas', those are the drawings of various body areas. Here is the Index in English:
Publications: Chapter I: Introduction to "points of Weihe" by Dr. Robert S�ror Chapter II: Directory of points of Dr. Augustus Weihe by Dr. Robert S�ror Chapter III: How I knew the points of Weihe by Dr. Paul Chiron Chapter IV: Points painful homeopathic remedies by Dr. Andr� Rouy Chapter V: Clinical and therapeutic value by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Atlas: Head and neck left by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Head and neck right by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Region back by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Spine by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Chest, face by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Thorax left by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Right chest by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Abdomen by Dr Jean Daniaud. Dorsal region by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Right chest by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Abdomen by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Thorax by Dr. Andr� Rouy.
Here are some `interactive' drawings of the Weihe Points/ remedies so you can zoom in on certain areas. I'm not sure how many of them are included here - it's been awhile since I looked at all of these: http://www.harper.to/homoeopathy/weihe_points.html
By all means, Selma - let me know what you think about these Points, and if they seem to have any use with or without photons!
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Well, Tracy, you certainly do have thyroid issues!
In answer to your question, I am to take only a tiny amount of T3 [10 mcg], which is shorter-lived in the system] for several weeks, and then slowly build up the thyroxine in 25 mg increments.
In my research, I see that Levothyroxine contains lactose, which may be contributing towards my bloating.
Have you read about a product called Thyroid Throu [Chinese herbs]? It is quite an expensive programme that claims to 'unblock' the thyroid over a period of months, supposed to be for hyper- and hypothyroid people.
I can't make any claim for it personally, of course.
I know what you mean about the cold: I've had very cold extremities for 20 years, but, like you, am colder now than ever [though it doesn't prevent terrible bouts of night sweats!].
I do agree that ALA is to be taken with caution, especially with heavy metal problems, though it has some vg actions too.
Hope you can get somewhere with both the thyroid and heart issues,
Carry
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Interesting points on the photon field Selma.
When my crystal therapist first dowsed my whole body she said my aura was completely lobsided, very little on my left side but very wide on the right side. Also that it had holes in it all over the place. She said that she had not come across anything like it before apart from with people who smoke pot ... (I dont smoke!)
It was the same a few weeks ago too ... no change but it will be interseting to get tested again with the recent improvements Ive had from tackling the worms. Also I wonder if the saliva remedy will affect it..
I dont know if its true or not but she does seem quite gifted with the things she picks up so I kind of believe her.
She feels metals are the underlying problem with me.
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Photon Field. After my sister had her NDE. She had a photo take of her leaning down to her daughter cupping her face.
She glowed golden in the photo. She firmly believes this is energy and not a photo mishap. I dont know how it could be (a mishap) because it was only her that had this golden light eminating from her, though I dont know how a camera could capture that either.
I'm reading Past Lives Past Masters and the light was recalled as a Healing Light.
Interesting to consider.
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My son's aura was lopsided. I saw this one. First and last time to date to see auras.
I wasnt sure what it meant until I read Adam's book, Dream Healer. Its impacted energy if these kinds of things can be generalized.
The holes, my sister said I had. She got them in certain charka areas. She could feel holes and sharp spikes as well. Not sure what it means. This was before diagnosis and treatment.
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Has anyone looked into David Jernigans book?
He is using hers/flowers to balance the body as treatment for lyme and company.
Best I can tell, thats his treatment along with addressing ammonia and toxin removal, cleanses.
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I like the ideas behind his products, but used several bottles of Neuro-antitox without noticing anything...but that may just be ME!
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Leslie Feinberg, founder of NMT, is talking about the consciousness of the practioner being a key element.
He talks of energetic vials and the ability of the body to recognize as confirmed by muscle testing.
When the practioner was aware of the contents of the vial, the knowledge transferred to the "client." When not aware, the transference was not scientifically significant.
I hope you all follow the link and can find an hours worth of time to listen. Ive been hitting the interview 10 minutes or so here and there.
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Tracy, thanks a lot for the link!!! I'll take a closer look later, but thanks thanks. Much easier to know like that. The painful points, it's a bit like in accupuncture, we do feel pain in the points we need to treat, USUALLY, but not always.
I wouldn't take anything like real hormones or chemicals to correct any gland, but will try to go with homeopathy. Homeopathic T3 or any other sarcoides... but that's me.
Adding hormones, in my feeling, can shut the production by the gland, while homeopathic dilutions can help the gland working BACK again...
Tracy, you do seem to be in trouble... I hope this will go soon. Heart problems suc... Also Carry too. Sorry you lost your vacation for this reason.
Robin, interesing links, the interview is too long, but as you said, to go by bits...
As for aura, many people see it, and the holes or unbalanced shapes. I don't, but I feel it with my hands, it's ALMOST concrete. There's a whole geography around the body. That is also what I treat using the PE1 AROUND my body, not only on skin.
People think I'm crazy, but as we know the photon field go far away from our skin, why not giving some input there?
When dr. K. speaks of closed regulation, he is talking about incoherent photon field. The first thing he does, is to make this photon field be coherent. One doesn't need to see it, there are 'concrete' ways to check that and anyone can learn how to do that.
No need for too many magic treatments. Tapping alone can do wonders and I think that is what accupuncture basically does, it helps to organize body's energies and so, the photon field.
The more I go on with treating myself, the more I feel energy work can help. But it doesn't eliminate the basic treatments of metal detoxing and killing. Toxin elimination, specially heavy metals, can't ever be left aside, to my feeling.
Shimmy, your practioner thinks the same for you, right? I wonder how many of us aren't sick BASICALLY ONLY FOR THAT SINGLE REASON, heavy metal intoxication.
I do wonder if my daughter didn't have the toxic burden I passed to her from birth, if she would ever be allergic as she was. If she would have been so vulnerable to tick born diseases as she was.
I'm investing now on the KPU protocol with her, to see if it will do the 'final work' with her.
I start to have the impression that most treatments I did, about 90% were like correcting the mistakes caused by heavy metals. Correcting hormones, eliminating cysts or fibroids (benign), cancelling allergies, balancing all chakras or accupuncture points, even killing. How the heck the ballet of infections now suddenly stopped?
I keep asking myself and it seems my body reached now a point of toxicity that it can handle, while before, these heavy metals simply couldn't stop messing with my CNS and causing me all sorts of allergies and imbalances, ...
...GI symptoms one after the other, then the infections that added toxicity and made me down the hill with all elimination organs blocked or in trouble, plus the pains on muscles, joints, then brain fog, the rise of parasites, my constant fight with fungi and candida etc.
90% of the treatment was then to go trying to clean the mess, lower symptoms, kill, but while in fact, the main culprit was basically heavy metal toxicity...
These are just my thoughts, but I start to believe on this heavy metal story more and more... I'll put daughter and husband on the KPU too and will let you know. We test for 3 months, each of us in different dosages. I'll let you all know.
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Around minute 38, the NMT founder talks about using NMT to treat cavitations and restore bone.
Around minute 27 he starts explaining treatment, though not in detail.
The body is being instructed through very specific language as the practioner muscle tests (or uses a type of EDS) to test the body's response.
I don't mean to sound impatient, which I am:-)... I dont understand why folks dont find this absolutely fascinating.
They are using language, specific language (as we are talking of doing with muscle testing) to bypass the conscious mind to access the unconscious mind to instruct the body, cells.
Quantumly speaking.. remember the experiment where the photons had to shift from particle to wave to mass through the wire mesh? This was the experiment (as I understand) that began Quantum Science.. marked the beginning.. the scientists came to the conclusion that it was the THOUGHTS or AWARENESS of the scientist thats indfluenced the photons. WHEN WE OBSERVE, WE CHANGE REALITY.
Same thing here. The "patient" does not have to comprehend or even hear the instructions to the body.
Is this quackery or right on (I include myself wondering if it is quackery,though I am experimenting with NMT)and are we more comfortable with the idea of ingesting drops of information over ingesting them in the field?
Does the info have to be in water and put into the body?
No.. actually.. just thought of that.. with the photon therapy, we place the vials of homeopathy on the solar plexus, in the field close to the body. Some test to ingest. Some test to place in the field close to the body.
The difference is language.
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Selma, all medicine is energy medicine. Its the form that differs, right? Even abx, herbs, they all work to change energy in some way. Its the form, I think.
I also wonder if metals can be addressed with different forms of energy. Like the energetic, regulatory forms as opposed to the chemical forms.
My husband played with mercury as a child. He has two or three amalgams. (I have 4) His father participated in above ground nuclear experiments. I think this was after he was born. His entire family has to have been infected with many TBDs. They lived with ticks, squished then betweent their fingers and then probably stuck their fingers in their eyes, nose, mouth.
They are all in their 50s now and none of them, including my husband who was tested is sick. My husband had several IgMs positive and a low cd 57. His worst symptoms are headaches and muscle pain in his thighs, possibly from sitting all day in front of a computer screen.
Every one of my SILs all tested positive for Bb (not with LLMDS btw)the summer before I was diagnosed. All of them were treated for less than a year and *seem* to be ok. Nothing like what I am going through.
My question beyond why is is this all based on genetics and beyond that the informational system in the body.. how the body is regulated.
I know my whole family is sick. Sister bedridden as I have reported, parents in chronic pain.
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If most of the chelators I took do go intracellular, and yet my metal load hasn't changed much after several months of aggressive chelation, I think the missing link has to be emotional frequencies.
Heavy metals are conductors right? So maybe they have a more direct relationship with emotions than do pathogens. The relationship between pathogens & metals might be more of a purely physiological one..symbiosis for the sake of survival as opposed conductance of energy.
I don't think I'll be trying new chelators. I don't believe it's the chelator that's the problem. I also now believe, as Brussels said, that most of (at least in some of our cases) this disease has to do with toxicity, not pathogens.
In light of my recent evals that showed a very low pathogen load, I'm even more inclined to believe that.
R62--I think it's not that we're not interested. There's always a wall of resistance when it comes to new therapies...and even more so when they're hard to explain. It tooks months for the rage over AI to catch on, and having a long-time veteran of the board propose it helped build momentum.
I'm really interested in it though, and I see no reason why it wouldn't work. The only variable is the practitioner's skill & bias, as is often the case with these types of therapy.
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Reposting my post because I added more to it. Something in my mind is cranking away with questions:
Selma, all medicine is energy medicine. Its the form that differs, right? Even abx, herbs, they all work to change energy in some way. Its the form, I think.
I also wonder if metals can be addressed with different forms of energy. Like the energetic, regulatory forms as opposed to the chemical forms.
My husband played with mercury as a child. He has two or three amalgams. (I have 4) His father participated in above ground nuclear experiments. I think this was after he was born. His entire family has to have been infected with many TBDs. They lived with ticks, squished then betweent their fingers and then probably stuck their fingers in their eyes, nose, mouth.
They are all in their 50s now and none of them, including my husband who was tested is sick. My husband had several IgMs positive and a low cd 57. His worst symptoms are headaches and muscle pain in his thighs, possibly from sitting all day in front of a computer screen.
Every one of my SILs all tested positive for Bb (not with LLMDS btw)the summer before I was diagnosed. All of them were treated for less than a year and *seem* to be ok. Nothing like what I am going through.
My question beyond why is is this all based on genetics and beyond that the informational system in the body.. how the body is regulated.
I know my whole family is sick. Sister bedridden as I have reported, parents in chronic pain.
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I am riveted by what you are observing for yourself.
I am reading Past Lives, Past Masters. I am not sure what I think about past lives (leaning in that direction), but.. the concept at least does make me think about present lives and what is genetically, energetically (however: biologically or socially) passed on in the family line.. not just polymorphisms in genes responsible for this or that, but "blocks" and dysregulations.
Add to that my sister's recovery which was all non chemical energetic except for a few herbs here and a colon cleanse.
It just doesnt add up that these pathogens are all that for some people and not all that for other people. Same for toxins.
I agree.. the potential problem is practioner skill and bias. For NMT, I think the script stays the same unless the prationer adds something in that comes up as relevant. I think the bias and skill comes in with the queries.
Since AI is more controlled by blood.. more mechanical in a sense, it is probably more thorough and of course unbiased.
NMT.. has the human element but it also seems to be able to flex to address situations such as regrowing bone in cavitations and possibly addressing the bacteria as well. (if of course it is legitimate)
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After I got my amalgams out and did some pretty good chelation, metals just have never come up for me again. They should be, by all reports, but they have not whenever I have checked.
I wonder if my problems now have more to do with chemical solvents hiding in the cells. What do you think, Joey? Ever had heavy exposure to solvents?
I used to dip my hands in paint thinner to refinish furniture, silly child.
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(personally I am interested in all three (AI, NMT, Body Talk) as well as a few other modalities, understanding the differences and strengths of each one and how each one might contribute to my healing)
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This NMT stuff is pretty fascinating, especially in light of your posts about it, R62. Time will tell if the effects are cumulative and permanent.... I guess you will have to be the main Guinea Pig.
I did some checking and as I suspected..... all practitioners are at least 150 miles from me. Not the end of the world, but I'd have to make at least one trip in person.
David Jernigan seems to have some good ideas and products..... but I got turned off by the fact that he charges top retail price for all kinds of supplements that you can get elsewhere far cheaper..... which indicated to me that his `proprietary' products were probably overpriced, too. Maybe that isn't a legitimate reason to boot his protocol out the door, but I just found other avenues that looked better to me anyway.
Joey, you would think that the Progurt would have that Candida on the run, though I know Candida goes everywhere, not just the gut. Are your heavy metal issues connected to, attached to, or bound up with the Candida?
Re thyroid issues: I don't remember what my old tests indicate - I have the tests but they probably wouldn't be applicable now. I know that lower TSH levels don't necessarily mean that the thyroid is producing adequate thyroid - it could mean that the hypothalamus or the pituitary are not functioning properly. Or, I could easily have thyroid hormone resistance, which was the theory my doc and I had many years ago. Then we could factor in some adrenal dysfunction and mineral imbalances. In any case, these are all `part' of the picture, and not necessarily the deepest level of where the problem originates.
It's very difficult for me to look at these problems from both a biochemical standpoint and an energetic standpoint at the same time. Sometimes the data doesn't mesh very well. I guess that's why energetic testing is so helpful.... when in doubt, ask the body. (With the right questions, of course.)
Well, I left a phone message for one of the local BioMeridian practitioners. I think I'll go ahead and get tested. I'm very curious about what it might show. Besides, it's only money and I can afford to gamble $100 at this point. I'm also very curious about what these practitioners sell to treat problems that show up. I've been told that this practitioner DOES NOT use muscle testing, though many of them do. That's actually preferable to me than someone who doesn't muscle test well. So, we'll see.
I've taken several different remedies the past week or so to see if any seemed to touch my bowel issues. I've had no reactions to the remedies at all - none. That's unusual for me. The one I took yesterday was one I was just SURE I would react to - it fits many of my signs and symptoms, not just the bowel issues and I've responded favorably to it in the past in a somewhat higher potency. Well, other than making me a little sleepy before bed and a very, very vague version of my usual `vibrating' sensation, not much is happening.
I'm really wondering if some of the treatments I'm getting at Physical Therapy aren't messing up my body `electronics'! I'm getting electro-stimulation, ultrasound, and some other electro-magnetic therapy (not all at once). It would be worth it if my heel/foot was getting much better, but it isn't. I plan to stop the PT next week. It's expensive.
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regarding progurt: No at this point I don't believe it is enough for candida. Maybe for some where the pH imbalance is mainly in the gut, but for those with chronic fatigue, the pH imbalance is often if not always systemic, which will foster systemic candida.
in this case, no amount of probiotics can fix cellular metabolism issues.
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Hey Robin, you are right, everything is somehow energy 'remedies'.
My opinion above is just made based on my own experiences. I haven't tried all types of energetic treatments that exist on the market to compare... I'm glad there are people like you that are open enough to try and post!
NAET certainly works for short period (but not for all allergies, and not for everyone). But not for a long time, the allergies may come back (and do come back for many, for us at home many did come back).
Same as for homeopathic dilutions of the allergen, it will not necessarily work (in the same way a nosode has its limitations to 'kill' a pathogen).
I would like to see how a practioner treats with NMT or get a session to know... If I see or experiment concretely, I can have a quick idea of what type of treatment this is. But only with the years we will know if this is really effective or not.
Only then we can compare. What matters is what works. If you feel beter, why not sticking with it?
I'm still experimenting with Bach flowers now and with some sort of energy from the earth (don't ask me details as I can't really explain), but now things are more like a game, and I do that REALLY only like a hobby and to 'learn' something new...
the BAch flowers seem to be indeed powerful and go very inside our 'souls'. They are PERFECT for the phase I am, where there's no more visible sign of disease. Where the whole needs to be addressed. I'm really enjoying getting to know the essences of each flower. Nothing too sophisticated, these are JUST flowers, but with amazing 'properties'.
I've been busy with cleaning the roof this weekend, my body is tired of being crouched, under strong sun, and loads of bad things I sniffed through cleaning the tiles...
Days are so much longer when I'm out of the internet, when I don't need to cook 3 times a day with crazy diets and special products I need to buy in special shops, ingest remedies every 2 hours, tap the whole time, etc.... I even forget to give my daughter chlorella every day, so she's also on a sort of treatment vacation.
I'm not even 'taking' the Bach flowers!! I'm just in a sort of 'communication' with them! Similar to the treatment with nosodes and photons, but WITHOUT the PE1.
I just keep the flowers close to my body and do a sort of massage around my body with it. I don't claim this cures anything, but I'm just experimenting.
I again stoppped testing for the KPU protocol. My supplements haven't yet arrived, but the test vial I got simply stopped testing after the last days energetic experiences. Things are changing because I see I'm breathing deeper. Even the question, 'do I need Depyrrol to detox?' stopped testing...
All due to some type of energy medicine too. I may test later for Depyrrol again but only these 3 treatments I'm donig are enough for the time being (saliva, Bach flowers, and some sort of meditation using the earth energy)... Even magnesium stopped to test these days.
Robin, I remember when I fell so sick that I had an intuition that any disease could be cured with meditation. The only problem is that I was so sick I had no energy to concentrate.
Today I do believe it's possible to cure almost anything (heavy metal intoxication, borrelia, any infection) with meditation.
But the problem is that a sick body can barely do it's daily activities (poop, eat and digest, sleep, breathe well, eliminate well etc) that it gets impossible to meditate in practice. The sicker the body, the most difficult to concentrate and be in peace, at least for me.
I remember a guy in Germany that simply went to a meditation group in Greece to cure his lyme disease. I never heard of him later as he was totally cut from the world, no telephone, not allowed to take any killers not even herbs... I wonder what was the outcome for him. He might be cured or dead, I suppose?? I hope cured!!
Then I got in contact with a lady, who was dying, extremely thin, with seizures many times a day, MCS, under oxygen almost 24/24 to survive... She had lyme and was in the Buhner forum. Once she took a sort of holy water from a sage in India, she said she dropped her oxygen bottle and went for a walk in the woods and sea.
Her husband took a photo of the event (it WAS AN EVENT, that she could climb rocks hours after letting her oxygen bottle...). She was SO thin. But smiling. She still sends me some emails, and hasn't been sick anymore since that day of the photo. I believe her, she got cured from a day to another almost LITERALLY.
I believe her, because I had contact with her before and she still seems to be well now, months after the 'miracle'. No remedies at all. She stopped posting too, no need.
She's back to being in close contact with the forest around her house and in nature, the same nature that made her sick (I mean, ticks in nature).
This means a lot to me, that someone is then not afraid of lyme anymore after having being so sick, close to death like she was. There's inner confidence that there are cures for this awful disease. It's a beautiful story, her story.
I'm not discarding any type of healing that works... I'm just saying that for most of us, that are not so lucky like this lady, that heavy metals seem to be an important issue (whatever the reasons why some seem to hold them more than others, specially women in comparison to men).
I wish I had the holy water to drink! Or that I could meditate for a week or a month to get rid of sickness while I was very sick. I have the impression NOW I could go on such a project of long term meditation.
But before, I think I wouldn't be physically able to have started that. My brain barely worked, I could barely sit as I was sofa ridden, my daughter was not starving but kept crying the whole time because I had no energy for her, so how could I have started meditating to cure me?
I had to go through down-to-earth treatments for that! Loads of killer herbs, homeopathy, cleansers, heavy metal chelators, tapping, etc etc.
It seems both Bach and the earth energy treatment I'm doing are still addressing my pockets of heavy metals TODAY. My saliva too. My previous psychological treatments addressed it too. Neural therapy too. Chelators helped too, but far from enough.
But while infections get addressed 'easily', in my opinion, with various remedies (in comparison to heavy metals), heavy metal pockets inside us are less sensitive to treatments and need a much more sophisticated and comprehensive approach, in my feeling.
I did some quantum-type of treatments for it too, if you consider psychological work this way. I did tapping, I'm doing saliva for it, now I think either Bach or the earth energy is still helping... So ALL quantum treatments, to my view...
While borrelia can go dormant with a single protocol and and single remedy (like this dr. W. protocol), I'm still to see a treatment that addresses mercury in a similar effective way. Dr. K. now is betting on the KPU, but who knows its limitation?
I want to believe that things like NMT are the solution for all, but guys like you have to test for us and report!! I believe everything is quantum energy, but what I can't believe is that all treatments saying uses quantum physics heal everyone. I know many quantum type of treatments, and I just see them as one more instrument for healing.
I MOSTLY use 'quantum' treatments, right? Let's say, the nosodes through photons, homeopathy, accupuncture, psychological tappings, talk to past lives (whatever that tests for me...), suggestions with sort of 'magic' words, trasmitting treatments from one person to antoher without touching the person, etc etc.
All the time, I use some sort of quantum techniques, even if no one believes. Even suggestions, words in my mind that I want to talk to someone else to send healing, etc... Aura massages, even if the person is not present.
But I know I'm limited. I know I am unlimited entity in the quantum world, but I'm just a limited person trying to help myself and other people, in a limited Newtonian type of world. So are my practioners, so are my ozone injections in my cavitation...
My practioner is in quantum world for ages I think. He looks at me and say a word like 'sadness', or 'you got to talk to your husband' or similar things. He sees the aura around my body, and keeps telling me, treat this part, that part because the color or shape is not good. But he still uses ozone injections in my cavitations. Before that, he still asked me to pull off my teeth.
Before the KPU, he was still building metal detox protocols for every one of his patients.
My only rule of the thumb is 'stick with what works', no matter what it is. I wished there were holy water all over for all of us, so that we wouldn't need to spend time and money with so many types of treatment. But I'm 'almost' sure that the same holy water that healed the lady above will not heal every person with lyme disease. Any quantum healing technique is also limited, like non-quantum treatments, fortunately and unfortunately...
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I'm really just grasping at straws, Selma. I don't have doctors knowledgeable enough to address these more progressive treatments.
One LLMD I had just gives abx. Suggests burbur, maybe chlorella. Suggested none of these to my husband, just had him on abx for a year until he developed cdiff. Now he is on transfer factor, but he's not very symptomatic. The treatment did not put a dent in the symptoms he does have. I left that doctor when I lost 30 lbs in a few months and crashed. My gut was a total wreck. He told me flat out he didnt believe in systemic yeast when I told him I had fungal patches on my legs, which I did. Wanted me off myers cocktails because certainly I could get the magnesium from pills.
One LLMD has a handful of alternatives up his sleeve and can order tests my other doctor would not. I left him too.
My alternative doctor (today) has biases and will not test for antibiotics at all. I'm not sure of her muscle testing, dont trust it because of that.
My new allopath is the sweetist doctor I have even met and will order any test I ask of her. Wonderful, compassionate, but she does not know what to do beyond abx therapy. She told me I know more than she does and is extremely supportive.
I do not know how to energetically test myself well. I try, but I just cant get a hold of it. So I guess, and that would be fine if I had some sort of instinctual feel that I could trust. Goodness knows I have files and files of information literally in files and in my head, but I dont know what to do with it.
I have my sister as a glaring example of someone who gave up on medicine because she had to. She was on 30 prescription meds at one point. She eventually gave up, I mean on the medical profession. She had a stroke in eary 30s and a NDE. I'm not willing to have a NDE experience to get better. I am not willing to be bedridden, lose the use of a leg, lose time and pass out constantly, deal with wildly fluctuating pulse and BP so bad that the lead in the field of dysautonomia diagnosed her with the most severe forms of it. Severe narcolepsy where she was frozen n bed and unable to attend to her children.. and just imagine being frozen in bed.. unable to move but your mind is alert. This also happened to her in her car once, fortunately while parked. She learned to count down from 100 until her body released. I cannot imagine the strength that took. She said if she paniced, it made it worse. I'm not willing to go that far to have a miraculous healing like she did.
This is the most frustrating, scary, life sucking illness.. not that others are not, but this one sure can be.
I wish I knew how to do i/4 what you do. I feel stuck and hopeless some days.
I gravitate toward these quantum-like therapies because something in me (possibly something really stupid and naive) will not go for the long term abx treatment. It feels very wrong for me. And I know that people do heal.. I've seen that first hand. How frustrating is that? To have a sister that did heal in a miraculous way and not be able to touch it. Yet to know.. yes,, it there, its possible.
I need someone to tell me it gets better this way and that way. I dont know when to do what. When to do this herb or that abx or what. I dont know if toxins or pathogens are causing this or that. I just know after 12 days of flagyl, my body fell apart and has not been the same since. I have the dreaded gene, the chronic of chronics gene, I dont methylate properly, I am missing a glutathione gene. Why the heck am I still alive? Why dont I just get with the program and take the blasted abx and push through it?
At this point, I dont know what works for me. I am lost. The NMT did though seem to raise my temp and stop my hair from falling out.:-)
I have a pile of tests from holistic heal that cost me almost 2000$. I cant bring myself emotionally to get them out and start the process. Its overwhelming. The process is overwhelming. The idea that I paid amost 2000$ is overwhelming. And I dont know if I am doing the right thing.
I wish I could muscle test, use the pendulum, trust my instincts, had a doctor who felt comfortable treating me when we find out the results. I feel stranded.
I cant tell a herx from a flare. I dont know if I am coming or going. Two years this fall and I feel like I am at the beginning and no savior doctor by my side.
Bad night.
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Joey, I was thinking about you when I read in a blog that lots of other bloggers post about something newish (well, not absolutely new) about cfs.
Professor Kenny de Meirleir and his team has been researching ME here and now they announced that they have a urine test, and that there are bacteriae that make H2S in the gut, and that causes lots of things, and the accumuation of mercury, and there is a very leaky gut, because og lack of energy or something, and on top of it all there are prions that they found that add to it all.
These prions are quite contagious.(according to several comments on websites) I was thinking what about homeopathics + light for prions, but then one must get ahold of homeopathic prions and the gut bacteriae that make H2S...
Lots of people on the forums here have been to see Meirleir, or he has come home to them if theya re too ill.
Yeah I've considered getting checked for prions, but even in the study it was showing up in only the severest 20% of patients. I might test myself energetically test for it when I get the vial though.
The study is illuminating, but more for political purposes (legit diagnosis & pathophysiology) than treatment. Most alternative doctors that are up to snuff already know we have plenty of hydrogen disulfide release, and not just from one type of bacteria & heavy metals but as a result of all our bugs, toxins, metals, & genetic polymorphisms. This is a downstream effect, not causative.
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Just a note, as the prions are present in high amounts in saliva of the very sick ME people, I suspect that a good saliva nosode will do something to correct it!!You just got to find the right dilution to use.
It's 'funny' to read that ME is so similar to fibromyalgia that is so similar to lyme...
Glad to know this Belgian doc is using microbial killers to fight ME. Finally!! I know a woman with ME in Belgium, she's so young, mother of a child, but unable to take care of him. I don't think her doc ever used microbials to treat her ME.
She looked at me in surprise when I simply suggested her to try some microbial killers (herbs) as though I made no sense.
If the gut is THE problematic point for ME sufferers, I guess what we've been 'proposing' here (parasite cleanse, allergy elimination, killing bad pathogens, eliminating heavy mercury in the gut and overall) is already a VERY good starting point for ME treatment too?
I'm really wondering if the same issues (sick gut, excess of toxins, bad pathogens, excess of allergies and sensitivities...) are not the main cause of cancer too...
Since I started visiting LN, I've seen so many lyme sufferers saying they got cancer that it DOES make me think. --
Robin, I hope you are feeling better. I sent you a PM a few days ago.
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Very sorry you feel a bit overwhelmed, Robin. I know what it's like when you don't have a practitioner to work with that has all the qualities you need. It sounds like you have some mixed feelings about abx, too..... I guess I look at it as a `last resort' treatment. But it's still an option, of sorts, and I don't get too panicky as long as I have options. At this point, I've got to keep things pretty simple - there's too much that my brain and body won't tolerate right now. There seem to be too many things going haywire..... so, I'll see what the BioMeridian testing comes up with, and what the `treatment' consists of. It will either be enlightening or confusing..... it could go either way for me.
(BTW, I have an appointment on July 1st with the BioMeridian person. It's going to take 2.5 hours. Sheesh! And it's $150.00, not $100.)
Selma, Robin - thanks for sharing these stories. I love to hear these accounts of `spiritual' healings, of methods that go beyond the physical body. I've witnessed or experienced too many events myself to doubt the reality of these `miracles'.
We live in a supernatural world, but have little understanding of that world. As humans, we seek control over our existence as a means to attain `security' in our lives. Thus, we attempt to explain our experiences by reducing them to simple mechanical processes which can be altered or manipulated by us. But clearly these `miraculous healings' show us that illness does not lie solely in the physical realm (as we understand it).
Personally, I tend to believe that though we have found `cures' for so many killer diseases of the past - Syphilis, Plague, Tuberculosis, etc. - we only cured the physical manifestation of these diseases. The diseases of today are still those same diseases, but now they are in a more energetic form. They exist on a level that science and medicine don't understand or acknowledge (and they have no desire to!).
I'm all for physical medicine that addresses the biochemical malfunctions of the body. I just don't want to see it forced upon the world as the ONLY acceptable option for getting well. That's manipulation of the worst and most dangerous kind. We will all pay for that polarity of thinking, and so will our kids.
Speaking of polarity..... Joey, yes I see what you mean about a systemic pH problem. The whole `cellular polarity' and systemic pH issue is linked to mineral imbalance, I'm just sure of it. Heavy metals and anaerobic issues are in there, too. Cellular dehydration is a result in my case. I just am not sure exactly which came first...... the old chicken-or-egg problem.
I'm sure that years and years of drinking distilled water had something to do with all this for me...... I washed out too many intrinsic minerals and it isn't quite so simple to add them back. It's like my cells learned to function with a deficiency - which compromised a lot of normal processes - and I'll have to `teach' it to revert back to a more normal way of doing business.
I've never been exposed to the Bach flower essences. Bejoy certainly seems to think they are powerful. I don't know anyone personally who has benefited from them. But I also wonder if you need your physical system `cleaned up' before you can fully experience what the flower essences have to offer.....?
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Good luck Tracy with your biomeridian practioner! Crossing fingers for you. I hope your heart issues have slowed down now and that you are able to try new treatments!
Interesting point about diseases boing more energetic now than in the past. I never thought about that....
Mineral imbalance... I guess that's the theory behind the KPU protocol? I would add some electrolyte imbalance to the theory too, I suppose...
Talking about energy and KPU, I don't test for it anymore. My body tests with a big negative now for Depyrrol and so does my daughter.
She stopped needing chlorella and ALL other cleansers, so suddenly. I wonder what did that, I'll post about it as soon as I understand better.
We even DIDN'T start taking Depyrrol, and I had already ordered a 3 month full protocol for all 3 of us at home. They will sit in the closet when they arrive....
As for the Bach flowers... I guess you are right, a bit like homeopathics, I feel they are more efficient the better you get. The better you get, you feel their effect stronger, I feel.
Or maybe they work in different ways depending of the stage of disease you are (same flower essence doing different things?).
I had a WONDERFUL experience today with water violet, it was a whole 30 minute experience, one of the best I felt with a plant, I think.
I'll send you an email to tell about it, Tracy.
Yes, I am also FOR physical medicine and biochemical 'corrections'. We all have used this medicine for a purpose or another, right?
The same way bichemical remedies help some but don't help others, miracle cures apply too. Some will get miracle cures while others will NEVER get one!!!
Until we wait to get a full miracle cure (that may never come for most of us, unfortunately), we gotta try everything IN BETWEEN to get well!!!
Biochemical medicine, chiropratic work, energy medicine, praying, holy water, whatever feels 'right' or meaningful. What matters is to keep improving, in my view.
In a way, homeopathy is for me a miracle. It is amazing what it does, the way it does. Same for accupuncture. When I see what people that did the Bionic keep reporting about putting borrelia either dormant or very low profile SO FAST, it makes me really feel a sort of wonder.
No biochemical treatment so far can reach what homeopathy through photons accomplish for borrelial infections, not in such a fast pace, for what I understood. Isn't that also a miracle?
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Thank you Tracy and Selma for your well wishes. Tracy.. I'm all ears! Cant wait to hear of your experiences with the biomeridian.
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I had my second zyto scan. I dont have the numbers in front of me. Here is the general gist:
Dont have the numbers yet. Just a general report.
Lyme and company are not my major stressor this month or last month. Brucella did show up as the major of the lyme clan, but it seems again, as with last month, gut is the focus and that has improved with OLE. We shall see how much when I look at the numbers.
I hve what looks like inflammed nerve endings and still ammonia issues. The report indicated that my problems are more bio-chemical than emotional .. not sure what other measures where included in this panel, possibly pathogens. This supports looking more deeply into the yasko tests.
Immunity, lymph, nerve rots, strep in nose and gut.
This seems like a good tool for assisting what to focus on. When pathogen killers were put in, there was no improvement in balance. The improvement came with charcoal and horsetail (for ammonia most likely)and a digestive enzyme with pancreatin. OLE tested well as did GSE, noni and cats claw. Only not all at once, just options.
I think I understood that pancreas and ammonia/sulfur somehow play a role with each other.. not sure. ??
Spine C1-C8 have issues which can be bacterial but we did not get into that or I missed it..
Oxalates came up as a high stressor.. this can cause pains in joints. I hope NMT will address this for me.
I am having a hard herx on vitamin A, OLE, and transfer factors lymeplus and EB (virus) and a retrovirus homeopathic. We found indications of HTLV-1 retrovirus (which can inflam lining of brain) and EBV first zyto. Not sure those numbers with the second. Hard to get it all on phone without looking at numbers.
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I'm sorry for the post above. I hit a little bottom.
I have a slew of yasko tests here to take to take a look at the bio chemical aspect.
I am not testing (per zyto) for the methylation protocol.. either I am not ready for it or I dont need it. My COMT++ indicates I would. We shall see as we move on.
Something is not right. I didnt feel this way two years ago. I am fortunate to have the help I do..
I just get tired of all the work to piece this together. I cant just take abx. I realize my issues are more than that.
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What does dormant Bb look like on a zyto scan? Is it a zero or a low insignificant stressor number?
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Tracy the recommendations for broths etc sound very familiar to the GAPS diet. Have you looked into that? Bone broths are used for minerals. I bet this helps with hydration.
CFS Dr. Cheney has a drink he recommends for blood volume that is equal parts no salt (potassium) and sea salt.
GAPs has you live off of stews, bone broths, homemade apple sauce with ghee (its really good), then move into juiced carrots adding more veges to juice as your gut improves. Sounds also like a good way to hydrate and very similar to what Gigi is talking about over on the AI thread.
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Robin and for all, I agree R62 that ammonia is a big issue. Part of the problems we experience is our chemical make-up as we push to homeostasis and to becoming symptom free. I've been supplementing with l-citrulline specifically for ammonia reduction.
This amino acid seems to fly below the radar. But I believe it is extremely important to supplement. I've noticed great benefit from it in a little over a week of using it.
My believe is based on experience of using it to reduce ammonia and at the same time increasing nitric oxide. I've reasoned that if nitric oxide vasodilates arteries it is essentially putting fluids in the cells lining the artery walls. Which I believe translates into hydration. I also think once hydration has occurred in the artery walls it increases the arteries ability to push blood through. By increasing blood flow you increase the transfer of O2 into the body. And we all know the importance of O2 in maintaining the balance of friendly bacteria to pathogenic bacteria.
Just a thought, if you feel dizzy or have lots of headaches, isn't the cause poor circulation? Maybe this is how we can tell we don't have enough nitric oxide in the body.
I've been taking a lot of cayenne pepper before meals in water. I can tolerate about 1/4 teaspoon before meals. I think this to helps increase blood flow but more importantly helps to increase metabolism and overall body temperature. I think I've gone up 1 degree in my basil temperature readings.
The cayenne I'm using isn't just the cayenne you get at the super market. It is the 90,000 HUT variety.
While I'm doing these things, I'm using herbs to support my kidneys and bladder.
I've just started using acs 200 and acz nano, more for mop up of any pathogens left over or any detoxification still required. I really like these products, there is something very good about them.
One more thing, I have just started to notice the viagra like benefits, I wish I knew about this along time ago.
Sorry I haven't posted in awhile, been a little busy for many reasons, and my sister just had a baby and I spent some time with her and the rest of my family for a week.
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Very weird.. my skin smells like burning skin. I had my kids smell and they smell it too. Esp if I scratch my skin first. What the heck is this???
I have felt really bad lately. Taking OLE, 30,000 IU vit A, retrovirus homeopathy, Renew Life Kidney cleanse.. burbur, redroot, wood betony (last 3 are not new for ,me).
I was smelling burning skin and finally thought to smell my arm and there is was.
I am hoping in the sauna. What the heck could cause this?
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The smokey smell is still in my skin. First time I noticed it, I smelled smoke.. wondered what was burning.. then I smelled my arm and it was my arm.
I had a strange sweat that day.. actually same day as zyto and while having the zyto consult.
My kids checked and smelled it too.
Sauna.. shower.. better. Today.. no shower yet and I have to scratch.. but when I do, I can smell it and so can my son and my daughter.
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Any clue? sulfur, ammonia, chemicals releasing???
I was taking BH4 and ornithine for ammonia. Stopped everything (for tests coming up and all killers because of such pain I am in.. this is the worst I have ever had.. joints, muscles, fatigue)
Any clue what to do??? I've been taking 30 chlorella a day and 6 modifilin.
This is a bit scary.
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Robin,
No idea, but do you usually smell when you sweat? I was odorless before, and since my body has been learning how to detox (or when I took stronger detoxifiers), my sweat now smells something yucky.
I keep changing T-shirts, while before I could keep on the same for a week without any trouble, no smell, no sweat. Even for longer. It felt like clean.
Now, it's different, and I'm HAPPY I smell. I think my body is learning to throw things off through sweat.
I hope it means your body is detoxing nasty toxins. (?)
I had very awful joint pains while detoxing heavy metals. For me, arthritic pains were different or herx pains were different. The metal detox pains were VERY ACUTE but didn't last the whole day. They came and go in cycles.
Muscle pain could be lactic acid too? Or infection (borrelia)?
As for the recipy, it looks like an electrolyte recipy, if I understood well.
I merely use Himalayan salt, in small quantities, succussed in water. The sucussion give to it a sort of homeopathic imprints. I find we all lack electrolytes. Dr. K. is always remembering we all need these electrolytes for a number of things.
And the bone broth, I also do that in winter, very often, with chicken. I just put the whole chicken in, the more inner organs I can find too, and let it cook with low fire for a long time.
The Chinese have a VERY old recipy with chicken brooth for a variety of problems, they also add some of their magic herbs in for different problems and let it cook for a loooong time (about an hour minimum,if my memory is good).
A chicken at home will be used to its bones, literally. When the meat is eaten, I just continue to use the bones for other purposes, specially for soups.
And also the fat that comes from a healthy chicken is very good for the immune system. So I'll just keep that fat in the refrigerator and add it to all veggies I usually cook on steam in the next week. The fat tastes for me wonderful. But mostly in colder seasons.
Now that is warm, I don't feel much eating these soups and fats...
I read that ghee butter is used for detoxing in India. People would even rub it on skin, and ingest at least two full table spoons of it a day for helping the body to detox.
When I ask it energetically, it comes as a good detoxifier. Even for heavy metals.
Anything has to be done for some time to have effects. So long term chicken bone soups, long term ghee consupmtion, long term electrolyte consumption... That is how I feel.
Crossing fingers your pain goes better soon. I hope it's 'just' a herx and that you'll feel better soon, Robin!
---- Bob, how do you feel with supplementing with that aminoacid?
What do you think made the aminoacid missing? And would you need to supplement it forever? ---
I just bought Ecklonia cava, an expensive weed known as one of the best antioxidants in the market. Millions were spent researching its properties that is why its extract now costs a fortune (patented). Dr. K. consumes that himself.
I'll let you know how this feels...
I also got my Depyrrol for the KPU protocol plus some of the vitamins that my doc told me to take, but they simply don't test. They test as 'can't take it', so I'm not taking it. Nor my daughter...
we're on a sort of Reiki massage 'trip', I think, that made our bodies finally detox by themselves.
We're off everything, except for the saliva products that continue testing. Everything else, simply stopped testing. I'm still trying to wonder what happened, but I think the sort of 'reiki' massage did the job of opening our own detox pathways from within??
I don't think Reiki or some type of chakra therapy is enough to heal anyone SOLO again, but I think it can help some of us in some issues...
What I want for both myself and my daughter is that we don't fall sick again. And for that, we need to have our bodies to learn how to detox by its own, not to depend on dozens of supplements like we were.
We're off everything. First trip I ever did WITHOUT KILLERS, without a box of supplements, only my saliva products and we even forgot to take it.
It was only a 3 day trip, but that's a BIG STEP for us!!! I wouldn't feel comfortable to travel even for 2 days without taking my PE1 and all killers before, first for me, now for my daughter... Now, the PE1 stayed at home and so everything else.
So, I'm crossing fingers my daughter's has entered lyme remission with me. With a difference from before, we're on detox supplements 'remission' too!!!!
What I'm treating for myself now: the color of my fingers are still not like a healthy skin color, so I'm trying to move energy into it. Same for the tips of toes. I'm trying to avoid future infections there.
I think my EMR sensitivity dropped to the point of symptomless too. But it's still early to say. I attribute that to a Bach flower, but I will never know for sure.
I don't feel hungry or uneasy or excited in front of this same computer in the last days... VERY strange for me.
My daughter, I will still do this sort of reiki massage on her daily until it stops testing. We both still have heavy metals to release as they are being released through stools (at least, they test so)... I feel herxy on and off, but nothing too big. I'm overall more energetic.
I still feel colder than most people, not to an extreme like before.
I can't say much for my daughter as I'm not in her body. She's just not having her normal cycle of recurring infections for the last weeks.
She's got 3 tick bites this last month, not treated against it, but still fine. I'm testing a new homeopathic preventive treatment for her, to see if ticks don't bite her anymore.
It's been just a week on the product (it's a mix of about 10 different homeopathic things). So far, no bite, but who knows. She just takes a couple of drops once a week for it. It's a vet product (!) and animal owners seem to like it.
The product in fact, is a parasitic killer for animals. I tested my brother who got a liver fluke (I think it was that) and he tested good for it (sufficient to kill it).
I'll continue testing her for mercury until I can't find it anymore. They are still there, but flushing out. We are both having more bowel movements than usual even WITHOUT chlorella.
Maybe because of heavy metals?
I'm also definitively not allergic to dust anymore. I was, since my early childhood.
I'm cleaning nasty stuff at home that I was afraid to touch due to dust BUT I didn't sneeze even a single time. No runny nose. It doesn't feel like my nose, or it doesn't feel like dust!
gotta go now.
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I was just told on a list that ammonia die off can smell smokey.
I dont smell it when I sweat or smell much when I sweat.. just in my skin or coming off it. Thats whats so strange. Maybe this is the beginning of good stinky sweat to come!
I started smelling this burning smell.. like hair gets when you are around a fire pit.. then I thought, its me! I've subjected my kids to smell me many times.. and yeah.. its me, in my skin.
Scratching my skin makes it "come out" more. It is like smoke coming from my skin.
I did start taking Bh4 for ammonia... and ornithine since I had some handy.
I'll take it as a good sign.. try to, anyway.:-)
Joints may be heavy metals.. if I just had a die off with Olive leaf, then it could be. It feels like residual like or arthritis like pain.. sharp, like shards. Not like herx like achey pain. This can be in jaws, in hips.. everywhere.. all over, both sides of my body.
Muscles could be lactic acid or Bb, but this is right off the OLE which I think hits Bb. Im wondering if it is a cyst buster or if it hits a layer of other things that brings out Bb. But Bb did not come out as a major stressor on my zyto scan.
Its the use of arms, of lackening use that scares me.
Figuring the puzzle out is half or more the battle...
Ghee has butyrate in it. I did the GAPS diet for months and am thinking of going back to it, at least incorporating the stews and bone broth.
There was something mentioned about a synergenistic effect with coconut oil and ghee that I have forgotten.
We did the same with duck fat... stored and used. It helps the cooking to feel functional. Kind of a catch 22 there.. :-)
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Robin, I had loads of awful pains in my arms (back muscles and arms) the last time borrelia showed up.
It was a nasty pain and it took me many months cleaning that area of my back muscles AFTER borrelia went dormant. Loads of neural therapy to get the toxic load out of the muscles.
I hope your joint pain IS heavy metal detoxing symptoms then! If the pain doesn't last more than a couple of days in its acute form and after you feel the joint got some mobility back, that is exactly what happened to me. Heavy metals flushing out.
A herx had a sort of rhythm after ingestion of killers. The pain came and went like clockwork if I took the right killers. This was when I was using herbal intake before the PE1 though.
If you are using the Bionic or similar devices, then it will be hard to know the difference between a herx and heavy metals flushing out in my opinion... because the way we herx with infrared is continuous, non-stop BUT lighter than with ingested killers.
And heavy metals flush out when THEY want to (in CASE you're NOT on oral chelators but with things like psychological treatments, AI-like products or something else...).
Have you tried Nogier on painful muscles and joints?
I thought ammonia was a chemical NH3 or so...? Is it also the name of a critter??? (you speak of ammonia die off...)
You CERTAINLY said right, the worst is to find out what is this puzzle. If we had just one or a couple of symptoms, that wouldn't be a problem to be guessing. But with dozens or MORE symptoms, it starts to be worrisome...
That's why I love energetic tests. They are not RIGHT all the time, but they give you a much better idea of what's going on than pure guessing.
---- We're on day one not testing for saliva dilutions anymore. Not me, nor daughter, now it's only hubby needing it!!!
So it took us about 5-6 months of saliva treatment. Hubby didn't take his last dilution due to trips. I'll prepare him a new one when he's back.
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I took one 50mg minocycline and woke up with more relaxed muscles. Just one. I have heard that minocycline has other effects besides antibiotic that help people with ALS and or MS. I cant imagine such a small does would knock out active Bb symptoms.. ??
Or, I am just getting coincidental "break" in symptoms.:-)
I would love to be able to sort out some sense in these symptoms and get comfortable with the energetic testing. I was doing pretty well for a while with it.
Keeping in mind the possible sequence:
Die off from pathogens, followed by release of metals (probably from biofilm)and candida (not sure how it relates except know there is a symbiotic relationship with the Bb and yeast and/or the mercury and yeast)
Die off from parasites, followed by Bb and pathogen flares (metals and candida too?)
Chelation of mecury, followed by release of Bb. You pull the mercury out of biofilm, that releases the Bb..
The ammonia is either from die off from Bb, I think candida or from a faulty methylation-detox thing.. see I dont understand that yet. I think Yasko does call it or something NH3.
We don't know yet since tests are pending or sitting here for me to complete at home. Zyto is picking up ammonia. I have a feeling the ammonia is what has caused my hypersomnia as it has been associated with African Sleeping Sickness. I feel like a thick fluid is passing over my brain when I feel like I cant stay awake.
I've been afraid to do the nogiers. I gave in and did once while taking a retrovirus homeopathic a few weeks ago? Not sure how to use nogiers and not start light treatment for pathogens.. not sure I am ready for that until I have a better understanding of how all this works.
I would love to be able to without starting a light treatment protocol yet.
With the photons, the herx is less severe but more continuous, therefore the pathogen herx and the metal flush can coincide? The effects of the light last longer, so the actual "killing" could still be taking place while the metals start releasing?
Less of a line between the actions in the body?
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I don't know exactly how the candida and other critters co-exist together. I just know most of us lyme sufferers have candida and other fungal infections.
When we look at nature, the main decomposition process from dead insects, dead flowers, wood, fruits, dead leaves, dead animals, every single thing passes NECESSARILY through fungi and candida to get decomposed. So they are all over, in all fresh stuff we consume (and in many other non fresh stuff, of course).
A healthy, clean and 'alive' body will fight candida and fungi to avoid decomposition / sickness.
There seems to be a perfect symbiosis in between candida-fungi-borrelia-heavy metals, I also agree.
As for low doses abx working on borrelia, why not? I never took any full dose of anything and improved this way for years, and reached remission quite a few times (until re-infection or relapse).
High doses 'kill' me, shut my body, I feel literally sick from 'poisoning' when I take high doses of anything. I could only improve with little doses of COMBINED things, be that homeopathics, herbs or supplements.
Abx (I don't know if all) are also chelators according to dr.K.
I think you are right on the die off of parasites and Bb flares. But other stuff can also follow, like other pathogens and CERTAINLY candida and metals.
Chelate heavy metals well, and yes, you may get a come back of Bb and MANY other nasty critters. Watch out not only for candida but many other critters.
I am not sure if it is merely like a ballet of pathogens by their own, a sort of ecossystem balance, one pathogen goes dormant, another comes up
OR
if it's like you are saying, layers of problems holding others (parasites holding metals holding candida and so on), passing always through the main 'streams': Bb, heavy metals/ toxins, candida/ fungi, (probably add bartonella, for others mycoplasma...)
I guess it's a bit of both.
If you start photons, be sure to make the AI, in my opinion. Any dissentization technique would be good simultaneously or before it.
I wonder how amonia homeopathic would test for your problem. Sometimes I got a sort of regulation with taking the problematic substance in the right homeopathic dilutions...
the main advantage with photons, to my view, is that you put the damm borrelia behind and it stops showing up ALL the time and creat�ng symptoms.
It will still be there, but low profile, probably, if you still are full of parasites, heavy metals and biofilms...
But really, I feel the photon protocol helped me skip months of AGRESSIVE treatment against borrelia. I could then concentrate on something else, heavy metals again, my teeth, my photon field, allergy dissentization, etc. Before photons, I had to put a lot of energy and time into Bb mainly, due to massive symptoms and the rest became secondary.
Bb kept blocking my body all over, so I spent a long time unblocking parts of my body too. Then I got food allergies, one after another. It's been like that EVERY time I get active Bb with full of symptoms. So I had to shop different, cook different for me than for other people at home. Another BIG waste of time, but I couldn't skip that.
With photons, killing Bb becomes secondary, if you see what I mean. Ther's much more time to treat other things then, that WERE the cause for my body to fall so sick with Bb.
But of course, you got to detox continuously too, as your body doesn't rest from the killing. It does kill night and day and you lose the herx cycles to 'rest' (I mean, when the herx is finished).
At the same time, I think that's exactly where this photon + nosodes win from ANY other approach to kill: borrelia has no single moment of rest!!!
But so does your body, it can't fully rest to eliminate Bb debris!
I meant that with photons I can't see the clear cycle of herxes like with ingested killers. Depending on the killer, I felt I could almost say the TIME of herxing, if it was a couple of minutes after ingestion, or if it was an hour after the intake...
With photons, I lost those cycles of herxes, so whatever I felt, I didn't know anymore if they were from chelation or herxes.
Unless you rely on an open regulation and your energetic tests. But often we get both testing together, probably because critters release metals while they die off. At least, that is how I saw in our case.
I think my body never stopped killing Bb while on the photon protocol. There were some hiding places of more difficult access, but the GREAT load of Bb is like 'shut down'.
But anyone that doesn't test all levels of detox organs can get in trouble when a single organ gets stuck. For most is liver, intestines, kidneys and lymphatic system. You're sort of stuck with killing if that happens. Your body won't be able to do anything well and your condition gets worse due to toxicity IF that happens.
that is the danger of any protocol that involves moving metals or killing, but a bit more with photons + nosodes, because there's simply no rest and the body continues trying to kill, even when you don't want it anymore.
With other killing protocols, you merely can interrupt killer intake and take a rest. But that's impossible with photons, in my feeling. It takes MUCH longer for the photon effect to wean, specially if you add a message 'nosodes'.
NOt sure I understood what you meant below, Robin:
"I've been afraid to do the nogiers. I gave in and did once while taking a retrovirus homeopathic a few weeks ago? Not sure how to use nogiers and not start light treatment for pathogens.. not sure I am ready for that until I have a better understanding of how all this works."
did you have a bad reaction after the retrovirus treatment? I usually don't use Nogier with nosodes, but I think Bejoy is using like that...
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