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It's been two weeks off antibiotics and I'm impressed by what rife has to offer so far. The typical bartonella relapse that turns me into a psycho has not occured.
I'm running the GB-4000 in contact mode with amp just below highest setting. I was getting heat through the hand cylinders, and the manufacturer suggested turning it down a notch.
832 and 1518 have resurfaced a lot of old symptoms. Twitching everywhere, unbearable foot pain, neuropathy in face and hands, hotflashes etc. Some of these symptoms are so old I forgot about them.
These symptoms peak, and then disappear in a nice period of almost no symptoms. I can tell this from the steady, slow decline of relapsing from no treatment and the associated mental decline. I'm not getting the mental part and having nice clearings, this tells me I am treating this disease somehow. I should also add that twice a week I use the foot pads on the forehead and neck, and hand cylinders on feet. Thanks jarjar for the suggestion.
The shortness of breath is still fierce at times, not sure if that's Lyme or high Bartonella load, but I'm fairly certain it's not Babesia. Will see if it diminishes with Bartonella or lyme freqs, or even Babesia.
Either way, I'm hopeful that this is the course to take for the dreaded Bartonella that seems uncureable with antibiotics.
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A note to all: Don't do a Rife treatment during a Flu. Wait until the Flu entirely subsides. I haven't treated in 120hr because I still haven't recovered from the Herxheimer reaction. I didn't recover because my body was still trying to fully recover from the Flu.
So, 120hr later, I'm ready to do another Rife treatment.
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September 27, 2010 12:58 PM: This was my Seventh treatment. I waited 144 hours as a result of an excessively strong reaction. I'm not clear on what caused the reaction aside from still having the flu and having added the Vitamin D. If I had to choose, it was likely the flu having impaired my system and I needed more time to recover. A new frequency was added. Other data which is new is in "bold".
I am attempting to hit borrelia burgdorferi:
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
2: Purpose: Detox & reduce inflammation
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 612 hz,
2: Frequency: 10,000hz
1: Dose: 3 min
2: Dose: 1 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 144 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, INFLAMYAR 20 dp of each x 3.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 5dp x 3 in 4oz Fluid, Trace Minerals Research Iron 22mg x 1, Trace Minerals Research Vitamin D Liquid 5,000IU. Post Water: 16oz filtered w 1 tsp Sodium Bicarbonate.
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment -- Pressure in head and ear. 1: Ear buzzing, 2: Itchy
Health Function Scale: 30%
After my last treatment I continued to struggle with strong herxheimer-like symptoms, though I can't be certain exactly what was causing them. I had added Vitamin D, but I'd also had the Flu during the sixth treatment, which wasn't the brightest idea. A number of changes have been seen. I rested 1 min between frequencies, I increased Sodium Bicarbonate to 1 tsp Orally, and I added a new frequency of 10,000hz for 1 min. I added a new Pekana product to help reduce inflammation in muscles, joints and tissues in general. It's called Inflamyar. 24hr: Depression, irritability, Sleep issues, night sweating. 48: Fatigue, sleep issues. 72hr Fatigue and night sweats. 96hr: Herxheimer Ended
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LymeAware, since you took interest in my comments about rifing for Bart first, I'll expand on it a little more.
I was told by another Lyme patient who has been successful with Rifing for Lyme to treat Bart first since I had some of the symptoms (constipation and foot pain).
The general principle is to treat the things giving you the most symptoms first. For a person without any Bart symptoms at all, it might not make as much sense to treat for it first.
If someone has Bart and they treat just for Lyme, they are opening the door to Bart really taking over and doing some damage. Some people believe that Bart is more dangerous than Lyme because it can reproduce much faster and cause heart valve and other serious problems.
In my case I'm treating Bart first because of the symptoms I mentioned. It's also possible that my constipation could be due to lack of activity (I just started working on that) or other digestive issues such as fungus and parasites, maybe even candida. The foot pain is located where I have Morton's neuromas. I had neuromas removed in '04 but I still had smaller ones between other toes that were not removed in '04 because they were not as big as the others and you can only remove one neuroma at a time (it's pretty messy and invasive surgery).
So there's a possibilty that these Bart symptoms are not from Bart. But I'm treating Bart first just in case they are.
I recently did two minutes on 832 with the coil pressed right up against my abdomen. I then put the coil on each foot for 45 sec each. All I felt in the way of a herx was some minor dizziness and sort of a "head rush" feeling within several min. after treating. It clears within a matter of a few hours. I don't know whether or not to interpret that as a herx because it seems so insignificant.
Meanwhile, I think I'm starting to have a fall Lyme flare, so I might switch to 432 for Borrelia pretty soon.
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Chaps--- 432 works for some people, but i never noticed any reaction from 432. I always react to 612, for lyme.
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Thanks pamoisondelune for the tip. I'll have to try that fx.
Not to change the subject, but there's another thread on here regarding EMF's from cellphones. There are many who feel that EMF's from any source are dangerous to our health, perhaps cancer-causing. The author of the book, "Sleeping Well" and a self-proclaimed pioneer in the area of "frequency-specific acupuncture" considers electromagnetic and geomagnetic fields as noxious. He believes that many ailments, particularly cancer can be attributed simply to most people's beds being positioned between two electrical outlets that feed the alarm clocks and lamps on their night stands. He's not just referring to the current supplied to these electrical devices when running, but also the live Romex wires sitting inside the walls that lead to the electical outlets. He believes that the fields generated by these wires, although inside the wall contribute greatly to many health problems. He recommends either shutting off the circuit breaker to the bedroom while sleeping at night, constructing a "Faraday Cage" around one's bed or wearing his patented "Sleep Shield" when going to bed for the night to protect from EMFs while sleeping. Another option according to him would be to place the bed at least 6 feet away from walls with electrical outlets, which is virtually impossible in most cases.
And here we are pumping mega-doses of EMFs into our bodies with our Rife machines. Cellphones and house current seem to pale in comparison to this kind of exposure.
Then on the other hand, this physician's treatment is what he calls "frequency-specific acupuncture." It's essentially an LED-based Rife machine. Maybe his gismo uses light-based frequency rather than electromagnetic?
The beginning of Rosner's book warns of possible EMF risks and says essentially that it is not known whether or not the use of Rife machines is harmful over the long term.
Frankly, the uncertainty on this issue scares the heck out of me, I don't know how the rest of you feel about it.
I chose this route because the known, proven risks and lack of efficacy of long-term, high-dose abx were more scary to me, not to mention the expense when insurance decides to stop covering it and the cyst formation, relapses, etc.
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Do any of you rifers get this auditory effect where you can hear an oscillating noise? I have been getting this lately. Different from tinnitus or ringing of the ears, it's like an echo of the frequency. Crazy.
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And re: Chaps. About the EMF risks. A couple years messed up from these bugs, and a year sick from various antibiotics...you can parachute me right into Chernobyl if it gives me some relief from this mess.
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I think the big difference of EMF exposure from the frequency devices we use, and the ones we are surrounded by are two fold.
Other than household electricity which is 60 Hz, most wireless routers, cell phones, and cordless phones operate at far higher frequencies than what we run. Audio frequencies do not have any history of causing problems for humans, but some of the higher gigahertz frequencies are of some concern.
Another factor is duration of exposure. Treating with frequencies is generally a short exposure, while these other "always on" sources, are more or less continuous.
On another subject, I have determined that Char Boehm's Lyme DNA frequencies have one undeniable effect. They cause conversion of dormant Lyme into active Lyme. No matter what machine I have used, I always get conversion within two or three days of running these frequencies.
This would normally be several weeks, if not months to get symptomatic from the bacteria's normal rate of conversion, to the point of causing symptoms.
This is beneficial for me because I can kill Spirochete form far easier than any other form.
Now I run Char's frequencies to activate the Lyme and use the 612 Hz harmonic autoprogram and 2016 Hz to kill the converted Lyme.
What I am not sure of is whether the DNA frequencies kill Lyme. It does not kill all of it, that much I know. However, it may be even more important if these frequencies can convert all dormant Lyme into active form, to be killed by the known working frequencies for Spirochete form.
If this conversion process is complete enough to change all of the dormant Lyme into active form, it may be easier to eliminate it. Further use will either confirm or debunk this hypothesis.
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Dan, how do you determine that you have achieved conversion into spirochete form? Thanks.
Toppers, what kind of machine are you running? I use a Doug Coil machine and the coil puts out an audible sound of the freq.
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I have ran thes DNA frequencies with the GB-4000 in contact mode, and the Rifelabs EMX, and now the MOPA.
I always get the same result no matter what machine I used, but it was more pronounced with the more powerful MOPA.
She will get symptomatic two to three days after running the frequencies. She has had no symptoms previous to this. Not that she is cured, but in order for any symptoms to appear it takes weeks or months without treatment for even the slightest symptom to appear.
a A couple of days after running the DNA frequencies she had shooting pain down the whole left side of her body, he guts felt upset, and back pain. Not a little pain, but enough to slow her down considerably.
A milder form of this reaction happened several times before after using these frequencies. I was not sure of what was going on, but I suspected the Lyme was converting into active form.
I treated that night with the normal frequencies I use to kill active form of Lyme. The 612 Hz harmonic autoprogram, and 2016 Hz. All symptoms gone the next day, except she did have some slight stomach upset in the morning, that went away later in the day.
I can't think of any other logical explanation for the repeatable reaction, and then the ability to stop the reaction with the regular Lyme frequencies.
I ran these DNA frequencies two days ago again. By my estimation, she should start getting symptoms tonight or tomorrow. We will see if that is the case. I would expect the reaction to be less, since the previous batch of Lyme that did convert, should be eliminated.
There is always the chance there is another explanation, but I cannot think of any off hand.
I also have the past experience of running XMRV frequencies on her, and causing a Shingles out break. It that case, there is no other explanation other than coincidence. Either the XMRV frequencies caused activation the Herpes Zoster virus, or it was just sheer coincidence.
I generally do not find that coincidences like this, happen very often.
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Question for anyone with thoughts: At what duration in a session do you decide that a given frequency is no longer helpful? 10 minutes? 15 minutes?
I plan to return to past frequencies occasionally, but wonder how long a given frequency should be used before changing it up. I use a doug coil. Thanks.
Chaps: Thanks for the more detailed information on treating Bartonella first. That makes sense. I am not certain if I have this, although I have reason to think I might. Main reason being that my symptoms of a strongly neurological weight to them, which I've heard is reason to suspect Bartonella. We'll see.
Thanks for the information.
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Dan, Thanks for the detailed answer. Something in the logic doesn't seem right to me. I will think about this when I don't have a headache and I'll get back to you.
LymeAware, My guess is that those of us with the Doug Coil (DC) should limit the time on the abdomen or spine to 5 minutes and then sweep the rest of the body focusing on problem areas for another 15 minutes. If that isn't causing a herx it is probably time to move on to another freq. I am assuming an amperage setting of between 12 and 15 amps.
BTW, I have experimented with the coil on the spine as you suggested and I seem to respond the same as with the abdominal placement. I suspect the reason is because the DC EM field penetrates the body so well that we are essentially treating the same area. The few times I treated just on an extremity, I've never had a herx.
FWIW, I am no authority on Rife technologies. I have been playing with my DC machine since May of this year and although it does have an effect on me I am not doing any better so far. I have been sick for over 30 years so I am in it for the long haul. I figure I should give it a year to start feeling some improvements. Anyone have an opinion on how long to treat before giving up?
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I am not ruling out another explanation, but it is the best I have at the moment.
I just asked my wife if she is having any symptoms. She is having ankle pain, and has since yesterday. The ankles have always been problematic. I think this is a particularly difficult area to clear. She also has some Bart, but that only causes swelling of the ankles, as far as I can tell. She has no swelling now.
I think the second most important part of feeling better is to quell inflammation created by lyme, and its destruction. lyme thrives in an inflammatory environment for some reason.
Krill Oil, Ginger, turmeric and magnesium have been staple supplements along with our frequency treatments. Krill Oil in particular, I think is important to help Arthritis pain.
Otherwise the body pretty much remains in a constant inflammatory state. This makes any improvement hard to notice, as the disease and treatment results have much the same symptoms.
This is my take on it anyway.
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Dan, can you get some other testing methods to corroborate Cindy's sensations?
Darkfield microscopy? Or, can someone try to find borrelia inside skin cells? Do you have a microscope? Can you get a PCR test of ankle fluid?
It certainly sounds useful to get some corroboration to build a stronger support structure. It seems you're going awfully far out on a limb of logic.
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I am going to purchase a microscope in the next couple of weeks, but I doubt that it will help much with Lyme. It apparently is not very easy to isolate, or there would be more of this done.
I really cannot think of any way I could prove this conclusively by any means. I can produce symptoms in a couple of days, and then eliminate them. If I keep repeating this cycle, the symptoms should be less and less as I do it.
The only way to know for sure, is if I can get rid of all of the Lyme by doing this.
I am going to use the microscope to test out killing frequencies on some E-Coli and record the results, if I get any results. Basic, proof of concept stuff.
It is now known exactly which frequencies Rife used, and his method, and the MOPA can reproduce all of it. This was confirmed in the last couple of weeks. It is now time to prove or disprove Rife's results, once and for all. He worked with E-Coli, and if his method works with that pathogen then there really is no reason to doubt his other findings.
I just have to figure out what particular microscope to buy, and how to record the process. I am going to look at some of her blood samples, but I am not too hopeful I will be able to isolate anything of use.
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I'm wondering where to find the numbers for enzymes and nutrition. My naturopath would like me to bring them on my next visit. So far I haven't been able to find any. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
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Hi Dan, With the understanding that we are all just guessing as best we can and that all that really matters is if it "works" or not...here is what is confusing me...
Is there any evidence that symptoms would appear from the process of converting from cyst form? What you wrote suggests to me that you think that the symptoms appear at the time of conversion. If not, perhaps you are figuring that the delay of 2 to 3 days is enough for the newly converted spirochete form to cause active lyme symptoms. That would suggest a rather fast response.
Then the relief after about 12 to 24 hours after treating the spirochete form...Does she always clear a herx that fast?
In the spirit of generating hypotheses out of thin air, I would suggest that the DNA frequencies are actually killing and she is experiencing a typical delayed herxheimer reaction. I can't help but wonder if the sypmtoms would clear up anyway, without the follow up treatment with the "normal" frequencies. Might be worth trying.
Good luck with your experiments!
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I have a microscope but have found it daunting to learn microscopy from the internet. The "stuff" I see in my blood is fascinating but I can barely tell a cell from an air bubble and don't have a clue about staining. Of course most stains kill bacteria anyway so the kind of experiments we need to do wouldn't work.
Anyone have any suggestions on how to learn this without going back to college?
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I need to learn also, but as you said, information on microscopy is thin on the internet.
I think the DNA frequencies both kill and convert, but I am not very sure about the kiling part. That is a good idea, to not treat for a while and see what happens. I will try that out. It may help determine what is happening with more certainty.
What it would not explain is why the regular Lyme frequencies clear up the symptoms. It could be the cysts are damaged, and might die over time. It almost would have to be cyst form that is being hit by the DNA frequencies, or else the other frequencies should do the same thing.
She basically has no Herx from treating any more. She has in the past, but I think the amount of Lyme is too low now to cause much reaction after treating. She does feel discomfort when active Lyme is present, but not otherwise. For instance, I treated her last night with my regular Lyme frequencies. She is fine today other than a stiff neck.
If I treat her again tonight, she will have very little, if any reaction.
Dan
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October 01, 2010 2:00 PM: This was my Eighth treatment. I waited 120 hours as a result of feeling sick as well as interruptions with electrical power in my home. The new frequency of 10,000hz from the last session was increased from 1 minute to 3 minutes. I wore cotton boxers instead of PJ's today.
I am attempting to hit borrelia burgdorferi:
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
2: Purpose: Detox & reduce inflammation
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 612 hz,
2: Frequency: 10,000hz
1: Dose: 3 min
2: Dose: 3 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 120 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants or Cotton Boxers
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, INFLAMYAR 20 dp of each x 3.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 5dp x 3 in 4oz Fluid, Trace Minerals Research Iron 22mg x 1, Trace Minerals Research Vitamin D Liquid 5,000IU. Post Water: 16oz filtered w 1 tsp Sodium Bicarbonate.
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment -- Pressure in head and ear. 1: Ear buzzing, nausea, lightheaded, 2: Dizzyness, trouble focusing eyes, nausea.
Health Function Scale: 30%
24hr follow-up. No change in symptoms.
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What kind of Microscope do you have Digby? Does it have enough magnification to see bacterium?
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Dan, it's amazing that you have got so far without testing; it's like physicists doing thought experiments; Einstein did them.
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I have never heard of thought experiments, but I do know some people have the ability to engineer things in their heads, and build a flawless design from their head.
I have to also say that I am not nearly that intelligent. I am very persistent, simply because I do not believe there are too many unresolvable problems in the world. I do think it is possible to eliminate this disease. It is a matter of finding the way to do it.
I would have preferred positive testing, and standard treatment. I did not intend to be involved with any kind of medical treatment, nor did I want to.
I guess we all have to do what we can, and hope for the best. I just use cause and effect, symptoms and results, and patterns, and a hypothesis to go along with it.
It is all I have so I use it for whatever it is worth. I still have not cured the disease. I am amazed at how tough it is to cure.
My Crohn's took about one year for me to get well under control. Lyme continues to beat me at every turn.
One of us will figure it out, I am sure of that. I am not sure how long that will take. I have found lots of good ideas here already.
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I have an old Nikon Type 102. It has 40x, 100x, 400x and 1000x magnification. I can adjust the light from a bright focused field to dark field. I'm pretty sure that's enough to see bacteria including Bb IF you know how to set things up.
Re: the book. If you read the product description they say you can download a scanned copy for free. I haven't checked it out yet.
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but did you realize that the original date of publication is 1873! I think I want something a little more up to date. Actually something from the 50's would probably work better for our purposes.
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Dan, in the Rife Frequency Handbook, there is a section where pictures of the machines are located. She recommends a Microscope called the Ergonom, which apparently is similar if not better than that of what Dr. Rife used. It requires very little preparation to view the slides.
Check your book.
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The lowest price Ergonom Microscope is $20,000.00
That just became available, and the higher end models are something like $200,000.00
Some of these are capable of viewing live viruses, as they magnify to the degree that Rife's own microscope could. The Ergonom is by far the most powerful light microscope in existence today, but the price is well out of my reach.
Nikon is a top notch brand, and I was looking at some of there stuff yesterday. The more expensive Ergonon uses Nikon lenses. They are recognized as the best lens maker in the world.
I might order that book. I need something to give me a basic understanding of what I am trying to do.
I would like to get a Nikon Microscope, and I think I will look into it more.
Dan
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Let me know what you decide Dan. I'm interested in following up as well.
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Some of these are quite good but I gave up out of brain fog frustration. I may pick it up again.
Dan, you can't go wrong with a Nikon scope. I would check out ebay before buying new as they were often used by medical offices back in the days when docs would do a culture and sensitivity or parasite check right in the office. There are probably lots of them in closets these days.
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I would rather get a quality used scope, rather than a new one of questionable quality. They really have not changed that much in the last 40 years or so.
I am scoping it out right now.
The ankle pain keeps coming back so now I am hitting it with everything I got. DNA frequencies, Lyme harmonics, the works. I am doing something positive here, just not sure what. It seems to be crawling out of the wood work at this time. It is like it is trying to escape. At least that is what I am hoping it is trying to do.
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Yup, a used scope is what I was suggesting. That's what I did and it works great.
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October 03, 2010 2:42 PM: This was my Ninth treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Nothing new to report.
I am attempting to hit borrelia burgdorferi:
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
2: Purpose: Detox & reduce inflammation
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 612 hz,
2: Frequency: 10,000hz
1: Dose: 3 min
2: Dose: 3 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, INFLAMYAR 20 dp of each x 3.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 5dp x 3 in 4oz Fluid, Trace Minerals Research Iron 22mg x 1, Trace Minerals Research Vitamin D Liquid 5,000IU. Post Water: 16oz filtered w 1 tsp Sodium Bicarbonate.
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment -- 1: Pressure in head and ear. 2: Dizzyness, trouble focusing eyes,
Health Function Scale: 30%
After treatment: 24hr: Irritability, sleep problems/waking, feeling hung over, fatigue.
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I've noticed some talk on this thread regarding detox frequencies. I'm not a doubter, but the analytical in me is trying to figure out how generating frequencies into the body can cause it to detox more efficiently.
I understand that vibrating a pathogen at its mortal oscillatory rate will break it up and kill it. But a toxin? What effect will vibration have on a toxin? I can't see how it would make the body detoxify more efficiently. The only thing I can think of is that certain frequencies might stimulate a body's organ that is inactive into more activity, but that only seems logical for the gut, not for toxins floating around everywhere else.
I certainly believe in the concept of killing pathogens with frequencies. I'm not sure I buy the stuff about detoxing, supporting organs, etc. The companies that make these machines provide a disclaimer on the one hand that essentially says, "we don't claim that it can really do anything, this machine should only be used for experimentation." Then on the other hand, they turn around give you organ support and detox frequencies and make it sound as though the machine can do EVERYTHING. Some of the things just don't seem logical. I realize why they have to make the disclaimer, but it seems as though they use this disclaimer as a quasi-license to make all other kinds of outlandish claims.
I wonder if anyone has done an experiment where they've controlled the variables to be able to prove whether or not these frequencies really work. For instance, if someone says "I used the detox frequencies and they seem to work" but at the same time, they were bounding on a rebounder, using a FIR, taking epsom salt and bentonite clay baths, and taking detox supplements, then how do you know that the detox frequencies were responsible for the progress?
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I for one can say Detox Frequencies have worked for me
When I started Rifing I did ONLY the organ and detox numbers and nothing else because I was quite nervous about the whole thing.
I also was on IV abx at that time. The first time I rifed for the Organ Support and Detox (That I listed at the beginning of this thread)..
I was amazed. My whole gut area was literally gurggling and moving and I had to even run to the bathroom quickly after the session.
I think it does stimulate that area and I sure can not tell you how they determined what frequency is used for what organ such as liver, kidney, lymph etc.?
But it sure works for me.
When I started the rife of the killing of bugs I did it two ways.. one without ending it with my full organ and detox programing and then with it.
It made a big big difference for me.
I had stopped doing the other detox modalities during this "experimental time" I wanted to not have something else blurring what I was trying to find out.
I still use the Same Organ and Detox numbers after my sessions or sometimes just those. I have tried other numbers and programs since and never found anything as good as my original ones I was given.
I also gave this same machine to my mother who has cancer and I had her try the same things for detox and organ support. She also reports the same thing.
At first she was just doing the treatments and I told her after big herxes that I could help her reduce those if she would run these programs.
She did and was amazed how well they worked.
I can literally feel the frequency in the area sometimes even. Such as when I am on the Kidney programs I can feel the kidneys aching during the treatment or after.. and then it clears out.
When I first ran these I think they were quite stagnant and blocked and stressed
Now after running them consistently I get no more feeling and more more obvious response...
I can only assume they are clearer and stronger now.. It sure feels that way too....
I was someone who had a hard time with herxes and detox and it took a lot of work. And so I think that I may be more sensitive to it too and also I was backed up and loaded up with toxins and nuerotoxins and die off...
But the rife helped a ton with it and when I rifed the herxes were so much more tolerable and shorter when I ran the programs for Organ support and Detox.
For me it worked and works and even if I can not prove the how I still am stating it. If I had been doing a ton of everything else at the same time I would admit to that and say I am not sure if it was the rife or the other things.
But that is not the case.
I would not minimize the effectiveness and I would for sure make sure to at least try. It sure made a big difference for me..
I also have used cold laser treatments at one time and guess what. They dial in Frequencies that target the lymph system!! So that is the same concept they apply.
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"Dr. Wilcoxson The special microscope he invented allowed him to vary frequencies until the pathogen he was viewing exploded. Lo and behold, everything winds up being frequency oriented -- not only killing pathogens, but also supporting organs, enhancing organ function, and treating diseases, whether they arise from infection or not. I've seen clients who after a single treatment have benefitted, for problems like shoulder pain back pain, psoriasis, ears opening after being stopped up two years, all things not traditionally considered to be caused by infection."
From an interview
also said
" placing your feet on metal plates in small tubs of water. Sounds crazy but it was perfectly safe. "
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PS I would take too long and too much explaining to do but if you read up and research you will better understand how frequencies and this technology affects our whole body including organs, brain, tissue, cells, blood, and more.. Even including our whole being that is emotional and psychological and more.. I do not want to go too deep.
But just remember. Everything is energy. And it all can be affected by energy.
If you read up on the specific mechanisms of how cells gather up and hold onto toxins you will find it has to do with the voltage of the cell and if that is not correct or balanced it will not work correctly..
And the story goes on and on...
So the simplicity of the poster above to say that it makes sense to kill bugs but does not make sense for other things.. does not makes sense to me...
Keep your mind open and keep it broad and not always so literal....
There is always more to things that we first may see or think.
Blessings all
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Due to springshowers being so big on detoxing freq., I started using full body detox after many of my treatments and I can tell it makes a major difference in how I feel the next day.
No headaches less gut herxing et al. It is obvious to me that it helps my body clear out the die off and relaxes me after a treatment. I didn't do the detox freq last nite as I wanted to to take a break from the machine and do it before bedtime. I ended up blowing off the detox and could tell the difference today. I have the gb4000 so I just use the auto channel for full body detox as it helps prevents headaches for me as well as supporting the rest of my body to clear out the toxins.
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Yeah!! So glad to hear it.
I think people do not take it seriously enough and thing ah well... whatever...
and just go for the kill kill kill... and you do have to Kill Yeah..
But as you do ... the detox and organ supports really make it go faster and smoother and with less suffering...
You can not argue with that..
Have you done the organ supportive programs??
Anyone else with feedback>??
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Here are those program numbers again for anyone who wants them and could not find them in the pages and pages ... I am sure it will get buried again fast.. but here it goes
Liver Support (1 min each programed) 337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546
Lymph Support (1 minute each programed) 146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846
Kidney Support (1 minute each programed) 248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-516
I do all 4 of these after each treatment. I noticed on some other programs I have seen they have people do it first? Not sure what is better? Anyone with ideas on that?
Give it a chance.
There is not one number that I Would recommend like the 10000. I know that is a well known general number and I have tried it without much success or difference and it has not been noticeable to me.
I even used just it for a good while going up in time up to 30 minutes or more at one session.
I did notice a little bit of relaxation but I did not get the benefits of the programs I wrote above at all...
Anyway...
Hope everyone is well. I have still been doing well.
Now do not freak out anyone.. BUT I read this online and got the idea off a site that someone recommended a technique for rifing to get a bigger benefit when you feel your not getting as much as you used to and want to dig deeper..
They said to put each of the foot plates into a container of water and add some sea salt. Then put each of your feet into each container and then along with holding your hand cylinders or whatever then you run your machine.
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Hi again
It took me awhile to figure out all what it takes to make a rife machine and how it works and why etc.
Now here is a page that shows you how you can order accessories individually and buy a generator and make your own rife .. So Easily and So cheaply..
This one does not have any plasma or ray tubes etc and it just foot and hand plates and cylinders but many are just that.
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I saw people are either using or thinking of using microscopes to view blood and compare while using Rife Machines.
Take a look at this example of blood before and after the use of an Ionic Foot bath - Which I also own and very much like
Ionic Foot Bath: Many clients that I see in My Therapy Room enjoy Reflexology followed by an Ionic Foot Bath. The Ionic Foot Bath energizes the water with negative ions, using Direct Current (DC) to create an energy field, which research has shown, is compatible with the human body. Studies have shown that an overall balancing effect occurs along with a significant increase in the number of negative ions. Your body absorbs the energy it needs from the ionized water you have your feet in during a Ionic Foot Bath. One result of using the system is stimulation of the Lymph System. The Ionic Foot Bath System I use works by breaking the Ionic Bond of toxins that clog the Lymph System and allows them to be pulled from he body through the pores in the feet. Once the Lymph System begins to clear the toxins, it starts to drain the toxins into the GI Tract just as nature intended. It also increases the T Cell production which gives the Immune System more cells to fight illness. The most important benefit is something that few Ionic Foot Bath Systems on the market offer, however, is the differences you can actually see! The system I use was created by a physicist. The array he created is stainless steel and is patent pending due to its uniqueness.
Blood Cells BEFORE Ionic Foot Bath
Blood Cells AFTER Ionic Foot Bath
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I am somewhat of a purist in the sense that I do not know how you would prove a frequency is supporting an organ. Possibly someone has actually tested this in some manner, but that is unknown to me.
The only non killing frequency that I have used, that did have an effect that I could actually measure in some way was 10,000 Hz.
It would reduce swelling, and it did it pretty reliably. I can only assume that is stimulated the Lymphatic system in some way.
Other than that, I cannot say organ support does not work, but I am at a loss of how you can determine that with any degree of certainty. It may have effects, but those effects are difficult to quantify.
Just running the device for any reason seems to have a stimulating effect on the people exposed. I have gotten jittery on occasion when sitting in the same room, as my wife gets treated. I am not the jittery type, so I am fairly sure it is from the frequencies.
In general, if running this or that frequency improves your condition, it would not matter to me if it is for organ support or bed wetting. As long as it helps you, use it.
Dan
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Now do not freak out anyone.. BUT I read this online and got the idea off a site that someone recommended a technique for rifing to get a bigger benefit when you feel your not getting as much as you used to and want to dig deeper..
They said to put each of the foot plates into a container of water and add some sea salt. Then put each of your feet into each container and then along with holding your hand cylinders or whatever then you run your machine.
Very interesting, has anyone tried this? I think the saturation point of contact units is so random as to cause issues and this could alleviate that end of it, if it works.
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Public Domain Information Regarding Experimentation with Resonant Frequencies
1. In general, the frequencies pass through the path of least resistance between the electrodes. This pathway may be:
A. Directly between the electrodes. B. Along conductive paths such as acupuncture meridians. C. Through conductive body fluids such as blood. D. Through body tissue containing saline fluids. E. Through the area directly under (touching) the electrodes.
2. Experimentation, therefore, is a combination of knowledge of these pathways, as well as a good deal of common sense. ie: an organism circulating the blood would be best encountered at a place in which the blood circulates in large quantities. Many experimenters have tried using electrodes on such places as:
A. The feet, in order to resonate microbes that may reside in, or pass through the legs, feet and crotch area. B. The arms, in order to resonate microbes that may reside in, or pass through the arms or chest area. C. The buttocks, in order to resonate microbes that may reside in, or pass through the lower abdominal area. D. The back, in order to resonate microbes that may reside in, or pass through the chest area. E. Directly on surface lesions, in order to resonate microbes residing in the infected area. F. On either side of the neck, or throat, in order to resonate microbes residing in the throat or neck area. G. On both cheeks, in order to resonate microbes residing in the mouth area. H. On either side of the stomach, in order to resonate microbes in the stomach and intestine area. I. On either side of the nose, in order to resonate microbes in the sinus area. J. One electrode wire split off to two electrodes on the arms, and one electrode wire split off to two electrodes on the feet, in order to resonate microbes residing below the neck. K. Lying down on two long electrodes that are side-by-side, separated by an insulator of duct tape or similar material.
3. Several application methods have been tried using stainless steel electrodes, such as:
A. Electrodes bare against the skin. B. Electrodes covered with separate washcloths damp with epsom salt water. C. Electrodes covered with separate sponges damp with epsom salt water. D. Electrodes submerged in separate pans of warm epsom salt water. E. Use of a large and a small electrode, for concentrating the frequency at the site of the smaller of the two electrodes.
4. Several timetables have been used by experimenters in various circumstances, including:
A. 5 minutes per frequency, with several or all suspect frequencies being used. B. Several frequency applications per day in the case of microorganisms that would normally "run their course" die out in several weeks or less on their own. C. 3 to 5 minutes per frequency once every third day for 60- 90 days on microorganisms that will not die out on their own.
5. Several general sources of information that may be helpful are:
A. John F. Crane's Polarity Research Manual.* B. Any acupuncture books with meridian charts. C. Any literature regarding electrode placement of galvanic stimulators.
IMPORTANT NOTES AND CONSIDERATIONS:
If damp cloths or sponges are to be used with the electrodes, take care to use separate cloths, for each electrode. If this is not done, and one cloth is placed over both electrodes, the frequency will pass directly from one electrode to the other through the damp cloth or sponge, and bypass entirely the tissue that is the intended target of the frequency.
This same principle applies when using pans of epsom salt water. Do not place both electrodes in the same pan of salt water. If both electrodes are placed in the same pan of salt water, you are shorting the electrodes through the epsom salt water, and the frequency will pass through the water, and not through the intended tissue.
Do not touch the metal electrodes together while the frequency is turned on, or you risk damaging your equipment.
Many experimenters do not realize that it may take 60 to 90 days to reach most or all of the targeted microorganisms with an experimental electrode system.
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This person uses a zapper to create an ionic foot bath...
"I have the same zapper. You can also use it as an ionic foot bath. Just get two tubs for each foot, add some warm water in each tub and a 1/2 tsp Sea Salt in each tub, hook up your zapper alligator clips to a stainless steel fork or spoon and put them in the water of each tub. Turn zapper on and soak 30 min a day, it should give you an energy boost. Zapping the feet this way you get lots more crap out of your system and kill the bad guys faster. "
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Hey Dan, if someone wants to run the GB4000 through a Plasma device and use the amplifier (MOPA?), which parts can be interchanged with the GB4000? I know Rife Labs no longer makes EMX or anything else for that matter.
Eventually I had planned on upgrading so now seems like a fine time to look into it.
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October 05, 2010 11:40 AM: This was my Tenth treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Nothing new to report aside from removing Vitamin D from the routine. It was making me sick. I woke up feeling hungover whenever I took it.
I am attempting to hit borrelia burgdorferi:
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
2: Purpose: Detox & reduce inflammation
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 612 hz,
2: Frequency: 10,000hz
1: Dose: 3 min
2: Dose: 3 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, INFLAMYAR 20 dp of each x 3.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 5dp x 3 in 4oz Fluid, Trace Minerals Research Iron 22mg x 1, Post Water: 16oz filtered w 1 tsp Sodium Bicarbonate.
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment -- 1: Pressure in head and ear. 2: Dizzyness, trouble focusing eyes, Itchy eyes
Health Function Scale: 35%
It is important to note that I have exercised for 45 to 60 minutes on an exercise bike after every single treatment. This is when I drink the water with the sodium bicarbonate, usually 1/2tsp. My body absorbs it much faster this way and should speed detoxification, or at least reduce symptoms.
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I'm going to make that my last journal entry on the forum unless others wish for me to continue. I don't want to clutter up the forum anymore than necessary.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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