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Polly Thanks for coming by. I hope you come back or come around still and be here and keep on learning. I hope everything is ok with you as well..
Hope to see you soon!
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Springshowers did you do the long list of retroviral freq. that gave you such a herx? Once I clear out my coinfections I would like to start those. So start by doing all those freq for 1 min? Then work up to how many minutes for 20 days?
Asummers- since the xmrv virus is getting so much attention I noticed in my notes where I believe you mentioned 448 was a freq for the xmrv way back in this thread. Was that you or has anyone worked with this freq?
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Hi Jarjar Yes I did session one and I jumped in too fast because I have been over confident since not getting herxes for so long. So I did the 3 minutes of all of session I and then I did the follow up program. Yikes. Still recovering after 3rd day which is unusual for me. And During the treatment I could tell which numbers hit me more than others. The middle of the session numbers were stronger for me.
I may go back and split it up or go to 1 minute instead of the 3 minutes.
I am sure we are all different but I would be careful with that program and see how you do.
There are different techniques to work up if you read the link. One being to take notes to the ones that you get "hits" on and then run those only working up to 10 to 12 minutes each.
You may want to read through that link that I put up on the post. It takes you through how they came to those numbers and then more details on how the viruses act and then a paragraph on how to fight them effectively using the programs above.
Its kinda intense and they say you have to be aggressive and watch out because the virus will take advantage of weak spots in a host.. and will mutate en-mass within two days to something that appears completely different!
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where did the hemobartonella frex come from?
Spring have not tried the EDTA but plan on it. am a little afraid to but will.
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jarjar -- I have used 448 & seen it being used by other people. I think it did some good. The problem with me is...I am not patient. So I used 448 with other frequencies...I think I have to use it by itself to know if I get a reaction.
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Yes Spring et all......my practitioner says that often Lyme disease patients "become viral" when Lyme and co's are addressed....and that if they don't recover there is an environmental factor driving this.
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CD What environmental factors would drive this "viral" issue or situation? That does not quite make sense to me.
The hemobart numbers come from the frequency link list I posted right above that post. You have to click the link and download that list. And those two numbers came from that list.
Its a new list I found to work with.. Take a look.
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asummers - yes, thanks - I thought of that too and am going to try that frequency on the GB at the Vitamin shop in Gateway. We have been away for the past week. Just need to find the time to get over there!
Glad to hear about so much success on this thread. Very encouraging. The staph infection story from lymielauren is amazing!
Lymielauren - which frequency did you use for the staph and for how long did you treat? Which machine do you have?
Best, tickbattler
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Environmental issues he meant mold most likely. Or pesticides/toxins/metals.
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Hmm Do you agree with that idea that there could be viral issues that remain an issues after lyme and co infections are treated due to mold or toxins or environmental stressors?
I guess If the body is stressed trying to deal with the environmental issues and in turn the immune system is stressed and not able control viral issues then it would make sense ...
Is there another angle to that?
Today I redid the same session I and after session as well but ran 1 minute each instead of 3 minutes each. Will let you know how it goes. SO far its ok but many times my herxes show up 24 hours later or the next available morning!
Let me know if anyone chooses to try the viral sessions I posted? I cam curious how it would go for you
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I won't be trying them for a while - because I'm herxing hard on what I've been using (babs) but will defininately get to them at some point.
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LymeAware The most I have ever used my DC is about 3 freq. at 45 secs. each on vaious parts of my body.
I am going to my LD in 2 weeks so will talk to him about going off ABX for a few months and see what rifing will do along w/supps and lots of detox.
I have many CNS problems and need to try something new. We spent $$$$ on the DC and really feel its the answer and yet we are at a loss as to when to start. I am tired, I just need some relief.
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He said that Lyme patients become viral after treatment for Lyme and co's. And then if there is no recovery then there is an environmental component -- most likely mold.
Stress is huge also.
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I have been rifing all summer with the DC machine.
I am using Lyme frequencies and bart and babs.
Does this also kill the helpful gut bacteria?
I cannot seem to get a handle on the yeast. It's been one infection after the other. I took three days' worth of Diflucan but it came back after a few weeks.
Are there specific candida frequencies?
Help!
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464 Hz is one Candida frequency. I have never used it, but supposedly it works.
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You have to keep after the yeast. Diet and treatment.
I'll look for my frequencies and get them posted tomorrow.
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How often?
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I would guess every day, given that it is so hard to reduce in the first place. Coconut Oil may help with this also, at least in the intestinal tract. Oil of Oregano is also used.
I do think a diet that is low on sugar, and very little carbs from grains is really the only way to keep it down.
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I used these frequencies for yeast/fungus:
450,465,665,690,727,880,1550 and 1654
I don't do them anymore because I'm concentrating on other things at the moment. I didn't herx but my sister (who has a candida issue) herxed hard - and she was sitting farther away from the machine.
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JOLA: That makes sense. I really hope you can find the right path with this.
I am no expert by any means, so I'm interested in what others have to say, but I would start with one frequency at 15 seconds. Or maybe even less time than that if you have had serious herxes from it in the past. (Does anyone else have feedback on this?)
You said that the most you've done is 3 frequencies at 45 seconds each. What is the least you have done, and how was your reaction to it?
(Edited to add: I just went back and saw Digby's advice to start at 10 seconds with lower level of amps. My brain forgot to check that and this sounds like good advice. You get the idea that starting with just one frequency at lower time level is a good way to start.)
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I realize most of you guys have been rifing for longer then I have. Curious if most of you have rifed with the mycoplasma frequencies? I did the myco pneumonia frequencies and got a lot of delayed die off. I had gotten where I could rife every other day but had to put off my rife session yesterday. Will see later today if I feel up for another session.
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I want to report on my latest trial. I was revisiting the Shardt Protocol which involves Diflucan and Antibiotics. Dr Shardt seems to think that the Diflucan directly affects Borrelia as well as knocking out Candida.
So I ramped up to the full Diflucan dose and then did 4 minutes on my DC machine @13 amps and had a much stronger herx then I've ever experienced with it before. Not only that but the herx was clearly a major exacerbation of ALL my existing symptoms. There was no doubt.
So I am wondering if the Diflucan weakens the Bb and the frex finished it off. The only difference from Shardt's protocol is that I used a frex instead of Abx. Actually, that's a pretty big difference but I like it better. :^)
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I haven't posted on this thread before because I don't actually have a rife machine, but for those that have experience with photons and rife, I was wondering if I could get some feedback on treating retroviruses.
For the record, I've treated just about every non-retroviral infection with the Bionic 880 (including lyme, which I was IGM CDC positive for) and have done over 100 treatments in all, including treatments with blood. In light of the FDA/NIH confirmation of retrovirus(es) in CFS patients, I ordered a bunch of retrovirus vials to test energetically, and a whole score of them came up. I did test positive for XMRV on viral culture with VIPdx. It's been a long road but I can say with a high degree of confidence that this is the last piece of the puzzle for me. I'm no longer testing for lyme, EBV, HHV-6, mycoplasma coxsackie, heavy metals, toxins, cellular metabolism, you name it; yet I still can't walk for more than 10 minutes without hitting a wall.
I'm wondering:
1) has anyone else who hasn't responded to lyme treatment gotten energetically tested for the broad range of retroviruses and what have you found?
2) do you plan on treating positive hits with photons and if so, can you please get in touch with me so we can share results? or....
3) do you plan on treating positive hits with rife and can you also let me know how you respond?
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Hi There I just PMed You M0Joey.
I am where you are describing. I am sorry i did not read this post before I answered your PM so disregard some of the questions I asked.
I am also feeling I am done treating the Lyme and co infections and such. And though I still keep up on maintenence treatments with my rife machine.
I still have risidual symptoms that are coming from somewhere and it also drove me to retroviruses. I told you I am taking Equbilant / oxymatrine and am having a strong response.
I feel I also am still battling the protozoan bug and was told that oxymatrine could be hitting that as well. I though then reserached the restroviuses and rife programs. About a page or two back in this thread I posted what i found where a group did tetsing on various paitents and logged down what they responded to most on what virus and came up with a consolidated program of Session I and session II and also a session that you should run after each of those.
It is inteded to treat retroviruses using rife. So what a great place to start. And I started there and am responding heavily.
I am still working on finding out more but because of my response i plan on doing the full 20 sessions to clear these out. You may want to look back at my posts and also go to the links I posted that have more information and more detailed instructions and the results of the testing done of the other people that produced this program of frequencies.
I hope others venture out to try these out as I know many who have treated and are frustrated that they are not getting as well as they feel they should. They may also have the viruses and not know it.
I did not and do not even had test results to back me up but the rife response is good enough for me after all i have figured out with rife. It has not been wrong for me yet and is as good as a energy test as I feel i can get.
It does make it hard to confirm exact kinds but I am not interested in that and more interested in getting them treated and under control.
When you say you can not walk 10 minutes does that mean your main symptom is fatigue and post malaise? A CFS typical symptom? Do you have any pain?
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NJLymie.. yes I answered your PM as well. Let me know if you have other question and I will help all i can. I hope your doing ok and we have a lot in common since we have had the same therapy and using the same machine. There is also someone else on her C3Mom and I have not seen her in awhile who went through the same therapy and got the same machine too. I will have to PM her and see how she is doing as well.
Blessings
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Mojoey and Spring-- from what I have read ozone is great for viruses. I'm sure you've talked to Dr Pressman and dr Rowen about frequency etc....Dr P talked about doing it several times per day for a long while, many months.
Have you guys explored that as options?
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Hi There I just PMed You M0Joey.
I am where you are describing. I am sorry i did not read this post before I answered your PM so disregard some of the questions I asked.
I am also feeling I am done treating the Lyme and co infections and such. And though I still keep up on maintenence treatments with my rife machine.
I still have risidual symptoms that are coming from somewhere and it also drove me to retroviruses. I told you I am taking Equbilant / oxymatrine and am having a strong response.
I feel I also am still battling the protozoan bug and was told that oxymatrine could be hitting that as well. I though then reserached the restroviuses and rife programs. About a page or two back in this thread I posted what i found where a group did tetsing on various paitents and logged down what they responded to most on what virus and came up with a consolidated program of Session I and session II and also a session that you should run after each of those.
It is inteded to treat retroviruses using rife. So what a great place to start. And I started there and am responding heavily.
I am still working on finding out more but because of my response i plan on doing the full 20 sessions to clear these out. You may want to look back at my posts and also go to the links I posted that have more information and more detailed instructions and the results of the testing done of the other people that produced this program of frequencies.
I hope others venture out to try these out as I know many who have treated and are frustrated that they are not getting as well as they feel they should. They may also have the viruses and not know it.
I did not and do not even had test results to back me up but the rife response is good enough for me after all i have figured out with rife. It has not been wrong for me yet and is as good as a energy test as I feel i can get.
It does make it hard to confirm exact kinds but I am not interested in that and more interested in getting them treated and under control.
When you say you can not walk 10 minutes does that mean your main symptom is fatigue and post malaise? A CFS typical symptom? Do you have any pain?
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Hey all, Whats the XMRV frequency some of you were using and what happened for you? Im trying to search the archives but cant find the frequency.
Also,, have you heard of these frequencies? Any experiences?
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Someone just loaned me a "GW Instek Model GFG 8020H" and told me it is a rife machine but they didn't know how to use it. It seems rather old. It has two pedals and hand rods but no place to connect the hand rods to the unit. The instructions say to use wet washcloths on pedals and hand rods. This device is just so strange and it only seems to display 3 digits then a decimal point so I don't know how to get it to a 2016 frequency. I'm baffled. The whole thing is just beyond my mental capacity right now. Does anyone know if this is in fact an adequate rife machine? Has anyone ever used this model? I'm so lost. I am currently taking bicillin/zithromax/malarone and I want to stop taking the abx because I don't feel like I'm getting better. I would like to start rifing instead of abx but I have no idea what machine to buy or where to buy it. It would be great if I could get this loaner machine to work for me...
Any thoughts? Thank you!
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I posted this in another area of the boards- but was recommended to post it here too......
It's been a while since I posted here. I don't even remember my last user name (slymer??- any ways it stopped working & never was fixed).
I'm curious if any one has tried the HPMP outlined in the Rosner book- and how their results are. I got one and use it almost every night for 1-2 hours. When I first got it I ran it from 12v & immediately had herxing- deep body aches, headaches, etc. Since over around 2 months or so this has diminished so I increased to 24v this past weekend & it's kicking me in the pants- more achy, more headaches, weird spacey/ floaty feeling.
I have to say that the HPMP has helped me immensely. I will add that I'm on antibx & herbals- but they seemed to slow drastically in their effectiveness. At my worse I could not go in a public place due to anxiety, had to nap every day for 2-4 hours, extreme brain fog & was wishing all the time I would die- all the good stuff. Now I have a few weird brain/ floaty feeling, all over neuropathy, all over burning/ pins & needles, body aches------but I'm able to function almost normally, work out 5 days a week, fulfill by role as husband, dad, homeowner and architect-----sometimes it's tough.
I'll also add that last check my CD57 was 330 so my LLMD thinks my issue is either babs or barts-------which I told to my useless doctor when all this mess started.
So - back to my main reason for posting.....anyone HPMP???
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I've pretty done everything besides rifing and only because photons seemed to be sufficient energetic treatment when you can find the right vials to treat with.
I have an ozone machine at home from longevitiy resources, spoke with pressman many times. He is helpful but thinks ozone is a cure-all, and I certainly don't agree with that.
I've done ozonated blood, UVB irradiation, you name it. Nothing has touched the retroviruses. So far I'm convinced there the hardest pathogens I've ever had to treat; the fact that they're inside our own cells and rarely active in the bloodstream makes non-targeted treatment complicated. The question with HIv drugs is: they stop replication and entry, but Gammaretrovirus replicate much less than HIV, so in theory won't work as well.
Frequency treatment combined with gcmaf makes the most sense to me.
Sprinshowers-thank you for all that info. I have much to read up on. I have no pain--it's pure crushing orthostatic intolerance, cognitive impairment, and fatigue when I hit the wall.
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I have been writing the different frx recommended on this thread in the back of my journal for reference. Lately, I have been putting the author of the post, time and page, but still wrote down the frx.
I just went back to Spring's retrovirus post and instead of writing the frx down I just noted the page, etc., hoping I can count on this thread to be around when I need it. Is that unwise? Should I just go ahead and write them down (better yet, print them)?
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Liz I usually take notes of whatever I see that interest me. This thread should be around and in history for awhile but often I like things written down in my notes so I can thumb thru the freq. pages quickly.
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Thanks, jarjar...
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Guilford CT Lymer -- what is HPMP please?
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I copy and paste and have made sort of a long document that I have in both my laptop and desktop.
I need to reorganize it though!
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Hi Does anyone have the Detox Box?
I am curious as to I found this listing of programs for detoxing and though they are numbers proprietary to the Detox Box and I thought maybe they would know how to translate for us?
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I am fairly sure the XMRV virus frequencies from Char do hit the virus. This is only based on my reaction, my sons reaction, and my wife's reaction to the frequencies.
The frequencies triggered a Shingles outbreak in my wife. If they were not disturbing viruses, I cannot think of another reason this would have happened. Whether they were all destroyed or not, I have no way of knowing. I think they are worth trying, if you have reason to beleive you have the virus. I do not think my wife did have the XMRV virus, and she has Lyme.
I do think my son and myself did have the virus. We both had similar reactions and sensations during treatment. Hardly solid proof, but it is the best I can do.
Dan
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The takeaway from the FDA/NIH findings: there is definitely more than XMRV. XMRV is a variant of the MLV family, and there are polytropic MLVs, xenotropic MLVs, and ecotropic MLVs, and then recombinations of them. This is simply evolution at work to increase their tropism, or survival in the face of environmental change, just like lyme and company have evolved with biofilms.
That's why in my post above, I said "retroviruses" instead of "XMRV".
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In the FWIW category the Retrovirus,variant freqencies listed in my gb4000 book says to use these freq. which are low freq.-use square wave only. 2489,728,7270,784,7870,880,8020,10000.
I intend to clear out my coinfections before I start working on the retro freq.
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Just an update. The stomach problems that were plaguing my wife are gone now. Since I ran frequencies for Lyme, Bart and H-Pylori, I cannot say with 100% certainty that it was the H-pylori frequency of 676 Hz that cleared it up, but I believe that is the case.
The reason I think it was is because I have ran the others many times and the symptoms persisted, although they leave for short periods.
I cleared up my own burning stomach pain using the same frequency in contact mode with the GB-4000 a few years ago.
The first run using the MOPA with 676 Hz caused a very noticeable sensation in various placed of the body, followed by acid reflux that was immediate.
It took three treatments before she noticed her symptoms were gone. She has been eating normally ever since that time.
I will also mention that I tried this with the GB-4000 and the Rifelabs EMX with no results. Apparently it will work in contact mode with the GB-4000, or with a powerful plasma device, but not with a weaker plasma device.
I have run into this penetration problem before, and I suspect for any infection that is not limited to the blood,or near the surface of the body, more power is needed to clear the infection.
Dan
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D Bergy -- Great News! Thanks for sharing your success story with us. I agree with your statement about needing more powerful machines to reach deeper in the body.
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Hi all. I just could not keep doing the Viral Numbers I posted. I have stopped them and the equilibrant supplement too. I just feel so good without a herx for the first time in so many years that I want to enjoy it too and I am going to maybe pulse or treat every couple of weeks or something like that.
I just refuse to do anymore hexing after the huge year I have had treating this disease.
I do not think I am risking anything by putting it off or not being totally aggressive.. do you?
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Oh PS I am feeling really good now and though I know I will have to go get those viruses I can not help but be happy.. Esp after over a decade of feeling horrible and or horrible PLUS when I was treating.. I used to just feel bad all the time and so much worse on treatments so it was extremely EXTREMELY HARD !!!
No MORE No HOW!
I think I might know why many who feel better stop posting. For one I tend to be reluctant to post positive things after the first few posts that are positive because I feel kinda guilty or that it is not cool to post that in the midst of others who are still having so many problems and questions. I am sure this is just some human nature because its not like I have real guilt and I know people enjoy good stories to keep the hope alive. I know I always did.
So Here is to everyone who is frustrated and feeling stuck and horrible.
KEEP THE HOPE> KEEP On Trying and keep on reading and keep on learning and you WILL find what works for you.
DO NOT GIVE UP> EVER!
BLessings.!
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spring - you deserve a break! I think it would be good for your body, too.
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Spring I can understand wanting to back off a bit if you are feeling great and herx is intense. Just keep it up at a more spaced out time frame makes sense.
I do have a question though since we are all still learning here. Were you feeling great before you even started the rife freq. for the retroviruses. Or did the retrovirus freq. take you one notch higher?
Please drop in and share how you are doing anytime If anything it gives us encouragement to hear of someone doing better.
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