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I added a couple of additional bart & babs frequencies, and reacted to one of them: had the (now) predictable two days of increased symptoms and malaise. It is Wed morning and it has passed off, so I'm gonna do the same thing this weekend. I still just get such a rush that it does something!
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Which frequency caused the reaction?
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I just placed my order for the new MOPA amplifier. The stubborn one finally gave the go ahead.
She was going to get the new DNA based Lyme test to confirm the disease, but since she is chronic, they would need synovial fluid from an inflammed joint to do the test properly.
The new test is only able to use a blood sample if someone has been recently bitten as the bacteria leaves the blood after about two weeks time, according to the person I talked to.
It will take a few weeks to get the MOPA device, but I should be able to assess its effectiveness quite quickly.
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Is there any limit to the length of time in a session you can use a Rife machine? I have been doing 15-20 minutes a day and thinking of doing 30 mins.
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Dan - thanks for testing the MOPA machine for the benefit of us all.
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So, can doing it more often be bad???? I did it for 20 minutes tonight using 4 different frquencies. Problem with doing it once or twice a week.....if you don't know which frequencies are working could take forever!!!!!
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I'm rifing around 2 or 3 hrs and then in evening again but I worked up to that.
It does make it hard to know which freqs are doing what but if I run a rickettsia program it usually affects my feet and then I can walk, etc.
Right now I'm more interested in getting better and being able to function than finetuning which program is doing whatever. My rife has programs that I suppose others have spent some time figuring out.
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Richedie -- I think that you need to up your time & change around the frequencies. If you aren't feeling anything, then you aren't hittin' anything.
If you did it for 20 mins last night and didn't feel anything, then I would try four more different frequencies tonight. If you aren't herxing, then it would be alright to try 4 different frequenices more often.
I agree, the fustrating part is in the beginning when you don't realize what numbers you need to rife.
It looks like from your tag line that you are dealing with Babs. Are you rifing on the Babs frequencies?
Also your question about the length of the rife session. It all depends on the machine AND the person. For example, I used to rife with a DT EMEM5a. I was not able to rife for more than 30 minutes then I would have to turn off the machine for it to cool down. Then I would do another 15-20 minutes later in the day.
But I worked up to 45 minutes in a couple of months.
What machine are you using?
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Dan: I think it was either 1584 (a babs frx) or 6878 (bart) cause I added them both: I did not think I had Babs (do think I might have Bart) but recently I have been doing more sweating, so my LLMD is thinking maybe that is Babs. I think it could just be die-off (I have really been improving on Bicillin.) Guess we'll see.
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I am reading a Rife book and it asks the question...."are you rifing too often?" How is that possible if one is not herxing?
Each night I try 2-4 frequencies and nothing. I mostly go for Babs and Bart. My doc thinks Borrelia is cleared and am almost done with Babs. Been doing Mepron close to a year.
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Keep the machine close to you, for maximum penetration. Since you are taking antibiotics, that will make it difficult to tell much from using frequencies. At least for Lyme it will.
You are constantly feeling the effects of the antibiotics and all you might get from the machine is additional die off.
I would try some Lyme frequencies just to see what happens, if you have not already.
789,000 Hz is an original Rife Syphilis frequency that works for Lyme also. 2016 Hz is another one I use a lot. They both seem to hit a form of Lyme other than Spirochete. You are not going to have much Spirochete form using antibiotics, but the cyst form is still going to be there.
I would try some of the Lymph stimulating frequencies, just to try get the garbage out of the blood stream.
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But I never noticed effects from antibiotics. I had pain when this started and still do....never noticed a herx. My doctor said she has countless patients who NEVER herxed.
What are the Lymph stimulating frequencies?
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Richedie -- since you don't generally herx, are you feeling better?
I agree with Dan and try the Lyme frequencies as well.
What are your lingering symptoms besides pain? Maybe rife on arthritis, or Fibro frequencies. If you have fatigue, perhaps rife for EBV, Strep, XMRV, HHV-6, Fungus, ect.
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I don't think I ever herxed on my abx treatment, with the exception of the short term of doxy at the very beginning. But I am getting better. The way I see it if you are getting better w/o herxing, it's a blessing.
When I rifed before abx I only herxed (if you can call it that) for about 45 mins and that was with the 1st treatment. I know it's hard, because you don't know if you got the right frx, if it's working, but keep on plugging away.
Maybe when we get off abx we will be able to tell better? Hopefully though, it won't be much of a herx due to successful abx treatment. Hopefully, the cyst form will come out slowly and our immune system will be up and running, and the rifing won't have to kill much.
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Tickbattler yes 357 seems to be hitting bart quintana. Started last night on coil for 30 secs. and shin pain increased and exhausted with massive headache. will keep you posted.
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Reporting back. I had a strong reaction after using a perl for 20 sec on 612. I ended up in hospital. Chest very sore, breathing very off, tachy. EKG, stress test, echo, several pulmonary cat scans and x ray... nothing of course. The breathlessness was non stop.
We had a pending mold remediation right before I used the perl. I dont know if spores had elevated between the testing and the remediation since we tested about 3 months prior to remediation. If so, no one else in the family was having issues.
I didnt think 20 seconds was a long time but guess it is. I cant say for 100% certain the rifing caused my symptoms (these were intense symptoms and lasted for weeks), but I am not using again for a while, the starting 3-5 seconds.
I'll report back when i start back up and have some clue what is going on. Im working a methylation protocol at the moment and taking herbs... which dont seem to be working.. extreme muscle fatigue, crazy acting nerves (tremors and creepies) and joint issues.
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R62--- You're alive! I thought you might have had a stroke or something from hypercoagulation.
Have you got your blood normalized?
I just read in Time magazine that women can have very narrowed heart arteries that appear perfectly normal in an angiogram; even after having a heart attack, their arteries can look clear in diagnostic imaging.
I also read in Ninah Sylver's book The Rife Handbook that rifing can encourage clumping of blood cells. Not good when you are already hypercoagulated!
What did you do to normalize the hypercoagulation?
Well, i'm really glad you returned to life!
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A while back someone asked for input on the DCoil
machine. I had the opportunity to try one some
time ago and it sent me into the worst herxes of
my life. Husband decided to purchase one - they
don't come cheap. I can only use it every other
week for about 15 mins. per session. I am sick
about 48 hours later for days. I don't know much
about frequencies - he's done all the research on
it. My hope is to get off these darn ABX and get
to a place where I can get better w/herbs and
rife. As I get to know more I will post but for
now I'm still green at all this. Just really
tired of being so sick.
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Both the Doug Coil and the PERL are more powerful than average. 20 seconds is a short exposure time, but if you have lots of Spirochetes, it is long enough to kill a pile of them.
I am glad you did not go longer than that.
Dan
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R62 -- Wow, what an experience from just 20 seconds. I am glad to hear that you are out of the hospital. Welcome back
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After a couple years of thinking about rife, I was finally able to try one last night! It was the one with the amplifier that attaches to your computer.
We ran the nerve(40 min) and also detox frequencies. I'm assuming that the more powerful the unit the less time rifing?
My left side back pain does seem better...placebo or does it work???
Does anyone else have experience with this unit? The family that let me try theirs has seen tons of improvement in Lyme symptoms.
It's the NoRiftRife. The electrodes were hooked up to my feet and also back/shoulders.
Some pain is gone, but as the day goes on I'm experiencing different muscle pain/strain in my shoulders, neck and back like I have had in years past (just from living) and also from the electro stimulation thing at the chiropractor. I think it's from the electrodes...
Now I'm confused again!!!
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I found this harmonic calculator on the Rife Journal site, and put the link below.
I have one already but this one breaks them down into smaller increments. It is called Harmonic Calculater vB.
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Can you get a herx with fever and body aches from babesia frequencies? Neither my LLMD or my PCP think it was the flu or a virus: I am doing Bicillin shots with Plaquenil but have been on that for over a month: would a reaction kick in that late? The frequencies I used were; 832, 570, 20, 27, 76, 379, and 10,000. Each for three minutes. On my primitive little TENS/Amplifier/Computer setup.
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It is difficult to determine what would cause this reaction since you are using more than one treatment method.
See if you can get some repeatability with the frequencies. If you have never responded to the medications with this type of reaction, odds are it is the frequencies.
It may take a certain amount of time to kill Babesia, and maybe the longer run time was enough to do it.
It does sound similar to the couple of times we treated for Babesia. It made her pretty ill, but it cleared up quickly. She felt it quite intensely while treatment was happening. This is not typically felt by users, but she responds this way for whatever reason.
Try get some repeatability, as that is the only way to know for sure.
Your mailbox is full.
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I actually did that same range of frequencies four times but never at such time lengths. Everything else - the Bicillin, etc have been constant for over a month. I guess we'll see. I cleared my mailbox.
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asummers I do not know all the specific rules about rife and traveling around to different countries. I do know that the man I bought my gb4000 from said if he is ever questioned about his machine while traveling he always responds it is a biofeedback machine and no questions are asked after that.
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The GB-4000 is simply a frequency generator, and that should not cause any problems bringing it into the USA.
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I have to say this thread has been helpful for me with killing this monster. With my gb4000 I used 432 for 15 min on my stomach front and back then used some of the Rickettsia freq on my feet for Bart pain. 129 632 1062 720 for 5 min each. Lots of gut herxing at first then today I have had a love affair with having to go sit on the potty. Thanks to everyone for sharing info on this thread.
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JarJar & Dan -- thanks for your responses. I will be taking my machine home with me
I have been using my machine for at least 30 minutes per day rifing for lyme, babs, bart, CFS, EBV, Toxo, CMV, ect...I am seeing results as well, and I have noticed a 'love affair' with the toilet also.
I think the love affair with the toilet is good, b/c it means my body is ridding the toxins out. I feel good after going to the bathroom.
I ordered N. Sylver's book and I will begin to read it when I am home. I am hoping it can provide more insight into how I use rife. I currently have Bryan Rosners book which was great as well.
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j_liz -- i am not 100%, but i think that all rife technology is not safe with a heart monitor. could be wrong...but i want to say i read that somewhere.
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I didnt want to report back until I had some clue.
I still am not 100% sure it was the rife. But I am not going to dare go over 5 seconds next time and I am not ready yet to try again.
They did test my clotting time at the hospital and it was actually a tad slow. That is interesting that rife can possibly cause some coagulation. Not sure how to address that other than taking nattokinase or some other such fibrin, coagulation buster.
Im not sure what I did and I am not convinced it was not mold spore exposure but what a coincidence if it was. It took a while for my body to settle down. It was hyperstimulated. I think the only way to know for sure it was the rife session is to try again, of course.
I'll report back when I do. Meanwhile, my methylation protocol is keeping life interesting. I think methyl b12 is helping quite a bit.
Thank you for your thoughts!
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I've had great success rifing. I have been lyme free for 3 years, after having it 13 years before that. Also ehrlichiosis gone for 1-1/2 years after infection with that in 2008, and finishing up with babesia, bartonella and mycoplasma. I use DP100 that covers all frequencies and whole body at same time, for 6 minutes 3 times a week. And colloidal silver. Only every used 3 weeks of doxycycline - no other abx.
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I haven't been on in a while and trying to read through all the posts and catch back up. I've been living in Colorado for the last 8 months and just moved back to Mississippi. The change in temperature and altitude seems to be bringing on a lot of symptoms, but I guess that's to be expected.
Oddly, I did better health-wise in Colorado than I've ever done. I lived about 10,000 feet above sea level - that high of an altitude can have adverse health effects on "normal" people because of the lack of oxygen. Once I adjusted however, I really seemed to thrive.
The humidity here in Mississippi aggravates my symptoms and let's not even mention the heat.
I'll be glad when my body readjusts and I start feeling better. Still rifing regularly - I'm sure without my machine it would be 10 times worse...
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In my opinion, the Atelier Robin line of function generators will work well as a contact device. You may be able to use it to drive a plasma device at a later time, if you decide to go that route.
You will want to use a carrier frequency if using it in contact mode.
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R62 -- I have a sneaking feeling that mold had something to contribute to your ER visit. I think we all need to listen to Dr. K when he talks about the importance of factoring in mold into the equation of lyme & co-infections.
Jasmin -- rifing daily is something that you would need to work up to and depends on the machine that you are using, and your sons lyme & co-infection load. I think the most that people are able to do on this thread is rife 3-4 times a week after months of working up to it.
aftonlight -- thank you for your success story! it is nice to read those stories, it makes the journey that much more manageable.
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Thanks to psr1 for telling about Babesia frex, 3 min each.
I had been doing the GB4000 group, where 8 frx run at once , but at 1/8 strength. I thought that was fine, efficient. I run my Babesia group almost every day--- yet i keep having low-level hints of Babesia symps, so i keep taking some Babesia herbs.
So i copied psr1 and ran some of the Babesia frx for 3 min each, 2 or 3 days ago ---- and i've had NO Babesia symptoms since!
I 've been taking much fewer Babesia herbs, in response, too, since then.
Maybe these "groups" aren't so effective after all. It's an important technique question.
I just ran some Babesia frx again at 3 min each, separately.
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Polly -- I have a question about your GB 4000.
When you run the pre-programmed frequencies for babs/lyme/bart/ect...and there are 8 frequencies running at the same time, are you saying that the strength is only 1/8 of running a single frequency all by itself?
On the GB 4000, can you run the grouped pre-programmed frequencies individualy(one at a time for more power) OR do you created a custom program for say...Babs and enter the individual frequencies so they run one at a time.
I love the idea of running thru 8 frequencies at once in order to save time, but if it isn't strong enough, then in the end it will be a waste of time.
Anyone else with a GB 4000 please feel free to answer.
Thanks
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HI All > not been here much. But not much changed.
I continue to be able to rife for all infections without a Herx anymore at all. But I still do them about once every week or two and test myself by doing it longer and longer and adding more things each time. It sure takes a long time to get that done.
Inbetween that I use rife for Detox and organ support as I posted in the beginning of this thread and am adding more programs as time goes on. This has been very useful to me and helps alot.
I am able to rife every day too and get no herx anymore. I only herxed for about two months after using rife but I used rife as aftercare to about 6 months of agressive integrative IV treatments.
I have bought an ionic foot bath and do the rife while I am doing the foot bath and that helps too.
I now am completely off abx. And yet still have no obvious difference while rifing. But will still keep an eye out for that.
I consider rife for me as a supportive therapy now and not for killing. I think it did only getting at some of what was left over from my other treatments but it took a lot less time than I figure it would?
I now realize my next steps are about figuring out what I need to do to get my immune system working correctly and regulating detox pathways and getting my hormone systems working too..
All of this I think I can do without drugs even though I will stay on my synthroid for now I hope in time I will be able to stop that too.
Still on pain meds and that will be last to go i am sure..
Rife still is a staple in my supportive therapy but I seem to be alone from what I read in someone who uses it for the reasons and results I get in organ support and detox.
Anyone else here this rings true for?
Blessings
Anyone doing AI drops along with rife? I am in the process of adding AI to my treatment and off all abx. I feel ready for this even though if you read many would say this might be backwards. It just worked out this way for me. And it seems to be where my path too me.
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Thanks for responding. I still am so new to all of this its a bit confusing.
I did want a contact device with portability. I am concerned over evaluating the power of different devices.
Is it important to have high range of frequency (htz)-- high range of power (volts) or both? I guess just some guidelines for evaluating would be helpful.
Thanks so much for any help!
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Just so you know
The BCX ULtra comes with a carrying case and all your parts and pieces fit in there fine for traveling and storing.
You can always buy yourself a suitcase of sorts for others that do not have that but I am not aware of thier sizes.
I wish I could afford their new foot bath product and the stand along tubes...
Cant have it all : (
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IF you did not see the actual generator is Dimensions: 11.0" x 8.0" x 3.0", 2.5 lbs
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Summer--- That's what Dan told me , here, on this thread; he said the builder (or something) of the GB4000 told him that each of the 8 frequencies in the group only gets 1/8 of the current.
Yes, you can autoprogram a channel with singles so that they run separately; that's what i did.
I'm not sure about the efficacy of groups. I think that is a question that needs some serious research.
I still use a lot of the pre-programmed group channels.
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