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I've felt rife more or less wipe out spirochetes in my body. I think they are all gone. What I'm wondering though is - what about L-forms, babesia, and other co-infections. It doesn't seem to have done as much for those.
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quote: Could i use the frequency generator and amplifier from my GB4000 to hook up to a Doug coil?
That's a question for the guy who makes the capacitor unit. You might be able to, but you probably won't get the same power and results.
The frequency generator that's presribed is an Instek SFG-2004 and the amp is a QSC RMX1850-HD.
That's a pretty powerful amplifier and I don't think the amp typically used with the GB4000 provides the same power. Don't forget, we're dealing with a sizable wire coil as a delivery system.
If you want to see what they look like, there's a video on YouTube. Just search "Doug Coil Demo."
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I'm treating Babesia right now with 570 and getting a pretty good herx from it.
Frequencies for all the common coinfections and viruses have been posted on this thread if you want to go back and look for them.
I can tell you this, 448 works for XMRV big time.
One thing about the doug coil, it doesn't do sweeps or run multiple frequencies simultaneously. And I think that's a good thing.
If you run a bunch of frequencies at once and you get a herx, how do you know which fx worked? You get better results in the long run by just nailing the bugs with the right frequency, concentrated and sustained. Sure, it takes a little bit of trial and error and patience, but what's it worth to you to get well?
I know there are frequencies that are supposed to coax the bugs out of cyst form, but I don't know what they are, 'cause I'm not there yet.
I'm not too worried about how effective rife is against cyst forms because rifing doesn't send them into cyst form. All you've got to catch them when they come out of it (the seasonal flairs) and nail the spirochetes. By doing so, you won't be scaring them back into cyst form. They don't recognize frequencies. They don't encounter them in nature, so they don't know what to do about them except die.
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We have managed to eliminate Babesia using Char Boehm's DNA frequencies.
I am not sure yet, but I think we may have eliminated Bart as well. I can find no indication of it now, but I will wait longer before saying for sure.
Some Lyme still let, but not much. If the Bart is gone, I will be able to spend all the treatment time on Lyme, and that will help.
James is still symptom free using his treatment method. He still runs the frequencies, but he has not had any reoccurance of symptoms yet.
Some people are making good progress, and maybe even a little faster than in the past.
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Thanks, Chaps. I'm ready to move on this.
How long have you been coiling? How often? with what results?
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D Bergy -- where can I get Char's Babesia frequencies? Thanks.
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You can go to the site below to find the list of pathogens she has frequencies for.
She charges a small fee to support her research, which is quite important, in my opinion. They are for the user only and not to be shared or distributed.
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I should also mention that for treating Bart, I used mostly 39936 Hz which is a higher harmonic of 832 Hz. I also use Char Boehm's DNA frequencies occasionally.
The last month she was also taking Cumanda, until her Stomach start to bother her. I think the Cumanda helped a lot. It helped to keep it from multiplying in between treatments. The combination seemed to be quite effective.
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My boss today at work (I work at a healthfood store) told me he has a Rife machine and uses it every now and then. - not for Lyme -
All of a sudden I'm interested in rife (might ask him if I can use his for some Bart/Lyme treatments)
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No point in buying a machine, if you have the ability to try one out.
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I've been doing it for 3 months. Got Bart down to no herxes. Still maintenance treating and trying alternate frequencies, but have moved on to Babs as well.
For Bart, I started coiling every other day. It actually took 24hrs for the herx to present itself. Once I got going and knew I was hitting it, I increased the treatments to daily, then twice a day. Bart reproduces quickly so you have to hit it at least twice a day. I continued to coil for 3 more weeks after the herxes stopped.
Babs, every other day is enough as long as the herxes clear that quickly.
Haven't gotten to Borrelia yet. That one produces bigger herxes that last longer and binder use will help shorten the distance between treatments. The idea with Borrelia is to get over the herx, let yourself feel good for a couple of days, then treat again.
Already feeling stronger in general.
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Chaps, you seem confident that certain frequencies hit certain bugs. While I believe rife does work (it has whittled down my borrelia) I've always been skeptical that we even know which frequencies to use, and I've wondered if perhaps frequencies don't matter.
So on that note, I have to ask: which frequencies are you using for each infection, and also, you are certain you can tell the difference between various reactions??
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If I were to dive into rifing... where would I find frequencies?
I know Bryan Rosner has a book on it - but didn't know if lymenet.org had some good frequencies going around
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Frequency lists have been posted on this thread. All the frequencies that i'm using now, i got from this thread.
The CAFL list is online, i think just google CAFL list. Actually i have evolved away from the CAFL list.
I started using 612 for lyme, my head really felt that. Recently my head has been reacting to 613 and not to 612, i don't know why.
So i do what Dan does, multiply 612, or 613, by 2 until you reach a number close under 40,000 (for the GB-4000). Not all machines go that high.
I'm using Dan's harmonics for lyme, Babs, and Bart.
For Bart i'm using 26626 and 26627. I think i got them from Dan.
For Babs i'm using 34656. I don't guarantee it works. It's 5776 multiplied by 6--- is that allowed?
For Lyme i'm using 39263 through 39274, from Dan. Also 36720 and 36780. That's 612 and 613 multiplied by 60. Am i allowed to multiply by 60?
The good frx going around have been posted here on this thread.
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Just for the record, I did not have any specific Babesia frequencies other than the ones from Char Boehm. I used what was listed on the CAFL which did reduce the Babesia and produced some real nasty herxes at that time. I ran these with the GB-4000 in contact mode.
Before using the DNA frequencies, it would go away symptomatically for months at a time, and pop back up later.
I was still pretty green at this then, so I am sure I did not treat long enough after the symptoms were gone. It is possible the CAFL frequencies alone could have rid her of this, if used properly.
She has not had symptoms related to Babs for quite some time. Does that mean for certain it is all gone? I do not know. I just know symptomatically, she does not have it, and she does not feel or respond to the Babs frequencies in any way.
The first time I ran some CAFL Babs frequencies, I almost had to stop. It put her in that much pain and discomfort. There are not many of these, and if converted to a higher harmonic, they may work even better than the lower ones we ran. Some one will have to test that out.
Babesia - 76, 570, 1583, 1584, 432, 753, 5776
Symptomatically, she still has Lyme, but not Bart. I did get a brief response to the Bart frequency of 39936 Hz when I started running it last night. It lasted a few seconds. I am fairly sure that means there is a remnant left, even though there are no symptoms.
You can see how I am gauging my result. Then you can decide if my assessment is valid or not. It is all I have to go by.
I will continue to run the Bart frequencies as I do not want a reoccurance due to under treating.
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January 18th, 2011 11:30 AM: This was my 37th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Repeating the last Babesia therapy from Jan 14th. No changes in health noted, and night sweats remain minimal. Occasional shortness of breath noted, but that appeared when I began using GABA, so it is uncertain that it is Babesia.
1: Purpose: Kill Babesia Species
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 76, 432, 570, 753, 1583, 5776 hz,
1: Dose: 5 min each
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Full
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, 20 dp of each x 1 in morning.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered Exercise: None
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1 - 6 produced No effect[/b]
Health Function Scale: 35%
24hr: Felt much better. Positive attitude, more energy, higher ability to focus.
48hr: Better, but unknown as I just woke up.
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quote: Chaps, you seem confident that certain frequencies hit certain bugs. While I believe rife does work (it has whittled down my borrelia) I've always been skeptical that we even know which frequencies to use, and I've wondered if perhaps frequencies don't matter.
So on that note, I have to ask: which frequencies are you using for each infection, and also, you are certain you can tell the difference between various reactions??
I use frequencies that have been determined to be the most effective by people who have been successful using the same machine I use. Those frequencies have been listed on this thread and are identified as "strongly suggested."
When those suggested don't work, there is a degree of trial and error to identify a person's individual differences that might be due to different strains, etc. Thus far, all of the suggested frequencies I've tried have worked.
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BTY, I noticed that people on this forum seem to run multiple frequencies for two minutes each for the whole body.
Coil users run one frequency and eventually work up to treating 5 minutes on the abdomen and two minutes each on the feet, calves, top of thigh, bottom of thigh, each hip, each shoulder, 3 points on the back, and the back of the head.
This makes for a total of 29 minutes treating with one frequency. If you want to treat with multiple fx for a particular coinfection, you'd be there all day coiling. So coil users try to find the fx that works and then stick with it.
When I say start slow, a heavily infected person might start with just 5 seconds on the abdomen and then see if they get a herx. I've been told about people who just coiled for 5 seconds and had wicked 10-day herxes.
So it could take months for a person to reach a 29-minute full body session. It's said that when you reach the 29 minute full body session and you don't herx any more, then continue that treatment for 3 weeks before moving on to the next fx or coinfection.
I'm assuming that this methodology was passed down by the inventor of the Doug Coil, who cured himself and his family.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by canefan17: If I were to dive into rifing... where would I find frequencies?
[QB] If I were to dive into rifing... where would I find frequencies?
The two books I purchased of Bryan Rosner did not mention any freqs to use. I spoke with Bryan Rosner over the phone one day and he told me to go to the "forums" to find the freqs I needed.
I have followed D bergys advice right down to my machine and using the higher harmonic's as he has suggested and within 2 weeks I am symptom free! (4 weeks ago I couldn't walk a half of block)I was in constant pain.
I still herx hard when I rife and I can't rife my Mycoplama more then 1 min per week because I'm herxing so hard from my Bart & Lyme sessions but I'm gaining ground.
I would suggest you go back and read as much as you can on this forum there is a lot of good information posted by many that I have used.
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Chaps, thanks so much for the coiling protocol! I never heard of it!
But what a heavy time commitment! What do you do for entertainment---- not even audio cassettes allowed within 8 feet, and hands full?
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quote:Originally posted by D Bergy: Just for the record, I did not have any specific Babesia frequencies other than the ones from Char Boehm. I used what was listed on the CAFL which did reduce the Babesia and produced some real nasty herxes at that time. I ran these with the GB-4000 in contact mode.
Before using the DNA frequencies, it would go away symptomatically for months at a time, and pop back up later.
I was still pretty green at this then, so I am sure I did not treat long enough after the symptoms were gone. It is possible the CAFL frequencies alone could have rid her of this, if used properly.
She has not had symptoms related to Babs for quite some time. Does that mean for certain it is all gone? I do not know. I just know symptomatically, she does not have it, and she does not feel or respond to the Babs frequencies in any way.
The first time I ran some CAFL Babs frequencies, I almost had to stop. It put her in that much pain and discomfort. There are not many of these, and if converted to a higher harmonic, they may work even better than the lower ones we ran. Some one will have to test that out.
Babesia - 76, 570, 1583, 1584, 432, 753, 5776
Symptomatically, she still has Lyme, but not Bart. I did get a brief response to the Bart frequency of 39936 Hz when I started running it last night. It lasted a few seconds. I am fairly sure that means there is a remnant left, even though there are no symptoms.
You can see how I am gauging my result. Then you can decide if my assessment is valid or not. It is all I have to go by.
I will continue to run the Bart frequencies as I do not want a reoccurance due to under treating.
Dan
Hi Dan, I see you list 432 as one of the freqs for Babesia. I haven't gotten a chance to check for this pathogen as of yet but I do know I herxed very strongly to 432 and 612 when testing the Lyme freqs.
I don't think I have Babes but I do want to check it out when I can. I was wondering do you know is there a "single one freq" that will confirm if I have babes or not?
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quote:But what a heavy time commitment! What do you do for entertainment---- not even audio cassettes allowed within 8 feet, and hands full?
It's not really that much of a time commitment if you're only treating one infection at a time which is the best way to go about it. It's a half-hour on the day that you treat. If you're treating Borrelia, that's a half hour per week or more, depending on how fast your herxes clear.
For Babs, a little more than a half hour every other day. That's because Babs hangs around in the blood and bone marrow, so you treat all the bones and 10 min over the liver. I add some time on the sternum too since there's bone marrow there.
For Bart, a half hour twice a day.
I read while coiling. I can watch TV, too as long as I don't get too close to the TV or other electronics.
Lately, I've been stopping mid-session and putting a large fan on the coil for about 5 minutes to cool it off. I don't want the insulation on the coil wires to get too hot.
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Chaps, How can you read? Is the coil heavy? Does it take two hands to move it around?
Thanks for the fantastic detailed description!
I have to treat Lyme, Babs and Bart. I wouldn't want to neglect any of them. I don't herx much. I treat all three now.
Maybe i could treat one by coiling, and keep the other two under control with the GB4000? or the PE-1? Musiclady did both rifing and PE-1.
Juli--- Do you have Babesia symptoms? What are your possible Babesia symptoms?
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: Chaps, How can you read? Is the coil heavy? Does it take two hands to move it around?
Thanks for the fantastic detailed description!
I have to treat Lyme, Babs and Bart. I wouldn't want to neglect any of them. I don't herx much. I treat all three now.
Maybe i could treat one by coiling, and keep the other two under control with the GB4000? or the PE-1? Musiclady did both rifing and PE-1.
Juli--- Do you have Babesia symptoms? What are your possible Babesia symptoms?
----Polly Polygonum Cuspidatum
Hi pamoisondelune, I really don't think I have any of the symptoms of Babes that I have read about. No night sweats, air hunger etc. I just want to rule it out.
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The coil's not that heavy. All coil positions can be done either laying or sitting, reading in all cases.
If you get one, you'll figure it out.
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Keep in mind that no one today makes a Rife Frequency Machine like Royal Rife's machine. His unit would flash for milliseconds to 1/2 minute and kill whatever specimen he had in the field. His machine could be detected miles away. The FTC would not allow a machine like this in our modern day world.
Here is a list of important features to look for in a frequency unit before you purchase one:
1. The most important feature to look for is a Rife unit using a RF carrier (Radio Frequency). Royal Rife and Hoyland used RF which was a big part of their success. The reason is very simple: the audio frequency range is carried further with a high frequency range generally in the meg range. Certainly, any frequency over 1 meg is in the range that can be used as a carrier wave. Most units on the market today don't use RF. 2. It is very important that the unit you choose has ray tubes. Royal R. Rife used ray tubes and so did Hoyland. Find a unit that has hand held ray tubes because they complete the circuit by running through the body between the hand held tubes thus guaranteeing that the frequencies flow through the body. The ray tubes produce a much higher voltage than pad devices to push the frequencies deeper into the body. There is the magnetic effect produced by gas filled tubes (that can be tested) that especially used with RF penetrates deeply into the body. Most people prefer the "soft" "energetic" "warm" feel of the glass tubes compared to the electrical tingle felt from the metal electrodes. Many people report that watching and feeling the glass tubes "glow and flow' has a relaxing, calming, softening effect on their body 3. A unit that comes with light emitting diodes (LEDs) is a great feature. Great health benefits can be attained by using LEDs, such as better eye sight and clearing up many skin conditions. Faster healing from the LED's and the healing effects from the Rife frequencies combine as a powerful, effective tool. 4. There can certainly be an advantage to a unit that can do the feet and hands at the same time. Many units will come only with hand cylinders, which are good for dealing with an upper body cold. However, someone with circulation problems in the feet and legs would greatly benefit from using a unit with both hand and foot electrodes.
Consider the cost. Units can range from $500 and much higher? Years ago units sold used modified function generators off the shelf, which were mass-produced. Rife machine manufacturers generally build a relatively small number of machines so the cost goes up enormously. A function generator is low powered. It will cost more money to build a circuit that has the power required in a Rife machine. Another added cost is crystal control that makes the price go up. Crystal control greatly adds to the accuracy of a frequency that is needed in a Rife unit. An example would be 9.7 Hz for tendons. You don't want 9.6 or 9.8 because your results will be diminished. Another example, 1444Hz is to normalize testosterone in men and 1445 is to normalize testosterone in women. You certainly wouldn't want a male using the machine and have the frequency drift up towards 1445. By the time you add foot plates, hand cylinders, reusable electrodes (sticky patches), and LEDs, you certainly add to the cost of an off the shelf function generator
Make sure you purchase a machine that actually reads out in Hz. New frequencies come out all the time and you want to have the capability to add these new numbers as they come out.
It is important purchase a unit that has gating. Rife and Hoyland used gating because it made their units more effective.
An example of a good unit has RF, gating, footplates, hand cylinders, reusable electrodes, LEDs, crystal control, and plenty of power. The hand held glass tubes is used to conduct the RF frequency and audio range frequency into the body. Their engineers came up with the idea that with conductors (that is completing the circuit when you hold both glass tubes) you are guaranteeing completing the circuit through your body.
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quote:Hi Dan, I see you list 432 as one of the freqs for Babesia. I haven't gotten a chance to check for this pathogen as of yet but I do know I herxed very strongly to 432 and 612 when testing the Lyme freqs.
I don't think I have Babes but I do want to check it out when I can. I was wondering do you know is there a "single one freq" that will confirm if I have babes or not? [/qb]
I do not know any single frequency for Babesia that can confirm that you have it. I am still not 100% sure Cindy had it, as I have no positive test to be 100% sure.
I do know she had symptoms that went away when she was treated for it, but it took a few weeks. I have always had the advantage of her immediate response to frequencies if she had what it was hitting. If I did not have that advantage, it would have been far more difficult.
432 Hz is also a Lyme frequency so who knows what it is really hitting. I never got much response to that using it as a Lyme frequency. It is one of Doug's Lyme frequencies, and I trust he knew what he was talking about.
I would not base any results of that one frequency as a confirmation of Babesia. It may just be hitting Lyme. If the rest produce a reaction, then it is a judgment call. If they produce a resolution of symptoms, then you can probably assume you had Babesia.
I am glad you have done so well with the MOPA. It is unusual to recover that quickly. Hopefully you can rid yourself of Lyme altogether.
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January 20th, 2011 8:15 PM: This was my 38th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Repeating the Doug frequencies from the 16th of Jan, except I'm going up on the Harmonic by 3. To do this, I am multiplying each number by 3. To get the original numbers listed below, divide them in 3. Yesterday was an extremely positive day. I felt mentally better, and had more energy. I'd even go so far as calling it a 45%. Today seems about 40%.
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 1452, 2: 1830, 3: 2070, 4: 2592
1: Dose: 3 min each
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, 20 dp of each x 1.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 10 Min
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: None
Health Function Scale: 40%
24hr: Felt more tired again. Symptoms began coming back.
48hr: Just woke up and feel awful, groggy and tired.
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I think it may be time for me to consider upgrading. I'll give the EMEM a few more months, and if by Summer I see progress up to about 45-50%, then I'll invest and by the GB4000, with MOPA and all the goodies.
If it doesn't work out for me, I'll sell it for like 4K - 4.3K, which is a substantially decent price compared to 4,700
Dan, the MOPA is incredibly strong in your opinion, huh?
Does anyone know exactly which frequencies Doug has recommended.
I've listed some of them on my listing: 484, 610, 690, and 864. Those come directly from Doug.
I'd like to include a list on the Frequency List I created. It took a ton of work reading all the forums and narrowing down the frequencies that produced consistency, and having Dougs, would enhance that because we know they are specific to Borrelia Burgdorferi B31, which is a specific strain.
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Those who are considering the purchase of a rife machine should know that the information posted by springshowers was written by the company that makes the BCX Ultra machine.
It looks like a "cut-and-paste" of some marketing materials of theirs that I've seen.
The info is heavily biased and crafted around the purpose of making the BCX Ultra appear as the best choice.
The sellers of the BCX Ultra have very impressive marketing materials and website including comparison of technical specifications between the various machines.
Specifications don't mean anything. Results do.
Before anyone becomes convinced by these expert marketeers they should consider this:
The Doug Coil is a device that was put together by an engineer who had exhausted the prominent treatment options for his Lyme disease.
He built the machine with a vested interest in mind--to cure himself of Lyme when nothing else, including abx worked. He had no interest in profiting from the machines.
He beat Lyme with his machine and then proceeded to do the same with the members of his family.
After this, he put the machine away and never sought to profit from what he did and does not make or sell coil machines.
Due to his success with Lyme, other people afflicted with Lyme found out about his success. Because not everyone is an electrical engineer, this created a demand for kits to build them, or pre-assembled machines.
There are two people who build and sell these for other people, one of whom does it for very little profit.
Doug coil machines are not made by companies with more than one employee and do not have fancy marketing plans, brochures, advertising, etc.
As consumers, we should do our best to weed through all the sales hype and make a selection based on proven results in the field, not sales hype.
When I was considering which rife machine to buy, I considered the BCX Ultra and talked to the company who makes/sells them.
They emailed me information about the product and wouldn't stop bugging me until I finally told them to stop.
Rather than fall for all of their sexy marketing materials, I decided to take the research into my own hands, and focus on WHAT WORKS rather than specifications, features, bells, and whistles.
I read Bryan Rosner's book "Lyme Disease and Rife Machines" which cited the Doug Coil as the most powerful and effective machine.
But that wasn't enough. I wanted to see if there was any new information since the writing of the book and find out what's working in the field.
I asked the moderator of a prominent Lyme/Rife user group for his opinion on the topic. He informed me of a recent poll performed within his group. Users of coil machines rated their machines higher than those of all other machines.
I checked with some other user groups and found consistent feedback.
In these comparisons, the BCX Ultra is barely even on the map. Some of this may be due to the fact that it hasn't been on the market that long, but nevertheless, it's been out long enough that if it were performing better than the rest, it would be all the rage right now. But it isn't.
The BCX's marketing materials hype up the fact that Royal Rife's machine used ray tubes as a delivery mechanism and their machine is the only current machine to do so.
This can very misleading. The internal electronics of Royal Rife's machine also consisted of tubes which are no longer made and no company is going to go through the expense of re-developing them.
Royal Rife's machine also delivered power comparable to that of a radio station. If anyone made a machine today like Rife's original machine, the FCC would be knocking on their door in no time flat.
Anyone who reads BCX's marketing materials should not make the assumption that the BCX is the next best thing to Raymond Rife's original machine.
Bottom line: If the BCX Ultra was a superior product, the word on the street would reflect this by now. And that's not the case.
I'm sure it's a cool little user friendly machine with all of it's bells and whistles that is easy to get excited about. And I'm sure that it might work to some degree. But it's to WHAT degree that counts.
Also when considering price: To my recollection, the BCX Ultra goes for close to $3,000.00 and that doesn't include all of the "add-ons" that are sold separately.
BCX Ultra hands down has the best marketing plan, materials, website and salespeople. If you think marketing hype will get you well, then this is the choice to make.
This is not to discredit anyone. Springshowers, you are a dear and I hope that I haven't offended you by posting my opinion. I certainly don't intend to do that and I hope you're getting better and better every day.
I'm just sharing what I've found in hopes of helping others to avoid spending a hefty sum of money on a machine that hasn't been proven to be the MOST effective available option.
I urge those considering the purchase of a machine to do the same kind of research I've done. Find out for yourself.
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quote:Hi Dan, I see you list 432 as one of the freqs for Babesia. I haven't gotten a chance to check for this pathogen as of yet but I do know I herxed very strongly to 432 and 612 when testing the Lyme freqs.
I don't think I have Babes but I do want to check it out when I can. I was wondering do you know is there a "single one freq" that will confirm if I have babes or not?
I do not know any single frequency for Babesia that can confirm that you have it. I am still not 100% sure Cindy had it, as I have no positive test to be 100% sure.
I do know she had symptoms that went away when she was treated for it, but it took a few weeks. I have always had the advantage of her immediate response to frequencies if she had what it was hitting. If I did not have that advantage, it would have been far more difficult.
432 Hz is also a Lyme frequency so who knows what it is really hitting. I never got much response to that using it as a Lyme frequency. It is one of Doug's Lyme frequencies, and I trust he knew what he was talking about.
I would not base any results of that one frequency as a confirmation of Babesia. It may just be hitting Lyme. If the rest produce a reaction, then it is a judgment call. If they produce a resolution of symptoms, then you can probably assume you had Babesia.
I am glad you have done so well with the MOPA. It is unusual to recover that quickly. Hopefully you can rid yourself of Lyme altogether.
Dan [/QB]
Thanks Dan! I don't have the MOPA as of yet I plan on getting it when we get back to MI in the spring.
I think the reason I am improving so fast is because once I relapsed after coming off the abx's I began rifing right away and was able to back my symptoms off within two or three treatments. I hope it keeps working this way for me. It sure surprised me and my husband to see this happen... especially because I can't tolerate much time rifing only a minute or so when I first began.
I did rife some when I was on antibiotics but never got any results that I knew of but it may be because I was herxing all the time from the meds.
I'm hoping I don't find any more co infections so far I have discovered two Bart and one Mycoplasma and I'm not sure how to approach my treatment plan now but I figure I should focus on the freqs that are keeping me symptom free and try and work these others in later?
Thanks Dan your always a great help to me along with so many others on here. Juli
PS. Sorry Dan I haven't been able to test them freqs for you as of yet but I will just as soon as I can tolerate a extra herx.
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Okay, I have a BCX and so I know that it is not a worthless machine. I also looked into which machine to buy and could never find anything definitive. I did know I needed something already programmed as I have neuro lyme and can't organize well. I think it costs around $2000 less than GB4000 with MOPA.
I am using antibiotics and am not relying solely on a machine.
That being said, when I rifed for bartonella a couple of weeks ago at one minute per frequency and was totally whacked in the head from it the next day. Herxing in other words. I also have rid myself of a cold sore almost immediately with this machine.
I didn't have much reaction to the babesia frequencies but after four months of antibiotics and sporadic rifing, it does seem to be gone.
The woman I talked to when I purchased the machine said that the builder was a light worker and she seemed sincere. She said he spent $100,000 developing the machine.
Anyhow, that is my input. Here's to next latest greatest machine.
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I should have also said that the BCX helped me with sinus and insomnia.
Good luck on your purchases.
Sheryl
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At this time we have not proven that any machine has cured anyone. We have only anecdotal results from a lot of people. Cumulatively, that does matter.
It takes time to accumulate a massive history of success among users. Many machines we've discussed during this thread are not old enough to have amassed a history going back 20 + years.
Therefore, it is wise for people to choose machines not only based on whether it's the best machine for helping the majority get better, but also the best for their price-range, their "needs" in terms of options and ease of use of the product, and many other factors.
That being said, I use an EMEM, which is "not" my desired ultimate choice. However, it has a big track record. Ease of use is "Meh" -- very irritating to turn knobs over and over. Price, perfect, power -- pretty weak, and effectiveness, well known to show results over the long term. I would much prefer far more power driving the frequencies, and have access to far higher frequencies as well as conveint options for "scheduling and timing" therapies, including scanning frequencies more specifically an performing sweeps.
Lower frequencies work, no doubt -- but there are many reasons one would desire other options like this.
So keep that in mind. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here blindly make a purchase. I receive a lot of e-mails from people who now post here and post about their "success" -- so, it's not recommendations I made about the machine, but rather to investigate the concept of Rife, the theory, the past, as well as what the available factors are surrounding the different products on the market.
Most people find it pretty easy to decide. They come to those who have done all the dirty work, like me, and the writers of Rosner, and Sylver. We give the options, but they choose based on their specific need.
Those without much money go to:
EMEM (Rife Labs, DT), Zappers, etc
Those with "some"
Doug Coil, BX, and list of others, all of which have shown results, just like the EMEM, but these have POWER.
Then you have those with money to spare:
Pearl, GB4000, Precision Technology and many others. Also well known to provide good results. The GB with MOPA puts out a ton of POWER.
Price reflects two issues mostly. Power of machine, and options for tweaking and getting specific with the tool your using.
A basic EMEM will get the job done, but more power is the way to go over the long run. And EMEM may work perfectly for someone with a massive bacterial load who might need 6 months of lower power Rife before it becomes a viable wise option to purchase a Coil Machine, or something else. Every machine fits a specific need.
So, the Doug Coil remains the champion in the "middle" arena for power and price -- but ease of use remains a hang up for neurologically ill patients who can't focus or think effectively.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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Rife's original machines only put out about 50 to 60 watts out of the plasma tube. About the very most you can put through plasma tube continuously is maybe 100 watts, as it will get too hot.
Rife complained that one doctor had modified his machine to put out about 100 watts. He did not think that was needed.
His devices could interfere with radio reception, and so can mine, if it is tuned to a band used by one.
Sorry Julie, I forgot you were not using the MOPA but the GB-4000 in contact mode. I am mixing people up now, without Lyme.
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Chaps, Your list of treatment points does not include eyes, ears, or forehead.
A lot of my symptoms are in those locations.
Is it too dangerous to coil there?
It was really important to me to learn that one can read while coiling. That's a decision point i like to know in advance. It might make a difference for or against.
Thanks for the info!
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I rife in the head and ear area sometimes as that is where I'm experiencing the most symptoms. It worked really well for sinus problems but I don't usually rife in the head area for lyme. I'm afraid to use it in the head area for bartonella because I had such a strong reaction using pad and plasma tubes normally.
I'm currently reading a book on LENS therapy which is used for neurological problems associated with lyme. I don't know how effective it is at this point but my LLMD said that they were having a lot of luck with it. Didn't get any farther with him than that.
LENS therapy works with very low power to the brain to normalize brain function and correct neurological damage. This makes me wonder about the need for a lot of power in our machines for all uses. I realize this is maybe comparing apples and oranges but wouldn't it be nice if research would be done on optimal power settings for various uses?
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quote:Your list of treatment points does not include eyes, ears, or forehead.
A lot of my symptoms are in those locations.
Is it too dangerous to coil there?
I believe that placing the coil on the back of the head covers the whole head area, but to be sure, you should pose that question to the guy that makes the coil.
He has told me to place the tread edge of the coil (not the hole of the coil) up to sensitive areas like the mouth or jaw to treat teeth.
Don't forget, the frequencies radiate out from the coil and thus areas not directly under the coil still get treated.
The coil offers more targeted treatment to specific areas than machines that are placed a few feet from your body.
I think you're at the point where your level of questions warrant a call to the guy that makes the coil machine.
Personally, I wouldn't feel too comfortable myself putting ANY rife machine up to my eyes even if the manufacturer told me that I could.
When rifing takes me as far as I think it can go, (which is probably most of the way better) I plan to follow up with an adjunct protocol such as Salt/C, CS, MMS, and/or ozone just to clean up anything that rifing may have missed.
And for those who may have gotten a little defensive about the BCX, I never said that the machine didn't work. I just said it wasn't the absolute best machine, which is what it's marketing materials would have you believe.
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When the coil is on my abdomen, I'm laying on my back holding the book with both hands.
Under my feet, under and on top of my legs, same thing.
When the coil hangs over one shoulder I hold the book with my free hand.
To position the coil on my back I have a rope tied onto it. The rope hangs over the shoulder with the coil resting on whatever position of the back I want. Some people use pulleys for this. I found that the pulleys (hung from a doorway) are not necessary.
When the coil is on the back of my head (with a hand towel or hoodie separating it) I use the free hand to hold the book.
It's not the most pleasurable reading because you're interrupting yourself every two minutes to change the position of the coil, but it passes the time for antsy people like me.
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Dan, Could this arrangement be a problem----
to treat my toenail fungus, i attach the hand electrodes to my ankles. The negative electrodes are the footplates.
Could the proximity of the electrodes somehow prevent what it's supposed to do?
It doesn't seem to work very well, for months. Of course it could be because of the irregular treatment timing, or wrong frex.
Thanks, ----Polly Polygonum Cuspidatum
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The current will naturally take the path of least resistance, which may be bypassing the tissue. Maybe it would be better to hook up the foot plates to the positive side, and hook the hand cylinders to the negative side, and hold them in your hands.
That way the frequency is closest to where it needs to be, and the ground is not too close.
Be sure to isolate the foot plates from grounding, by using a plastic bag underneath, and do not let the foot plates touch each other.
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I was able to clear out the bart. in my calves by attaching the hand bars to my feet with a rubber band and laying the foot plates over the sides of my upper calves below my knee while in a recliner.
It's interesting how the bart. will try to move around in the body. Sometimes it will surface in my fingers so I place the handbars in my hand and lay the foot plates in the upper shoulder area. Then I blast away with my 3 bart harmonics and it might get painful in the fingers and start cramping then it goes away. Glad you mentioned about switching foot plates and hand bars. I have never tried that Dan.
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Can you tell me more about the James Protocol. Is there another site that people discuss it in detail. I think in the past you have cautioned against buying a new "rife machine" because of the possible success of the james protocol may dictatae what type machine you should buy.(not that you are pushing people in a certain direction)
Is this because higher harmonics that may be needed with the jamer protocol are not available on some machines?
Also, with your experience with MMS- do you think it would work against candida?
Thanks for the help/
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Hello
I am not insulted. My machine came recommended directly from medical professions I knew at the time I was buying it and I feel comfortable with that because of all the choices and I did not know enough about "them" and I did not want to spend months researching.
I though have to say that its a good tool overall "rife" in general but would NEVER Tell anyone its the end all be well thing to do and I would not depend on it in totality
But Chaps.. By the way I think has been trying to somewhat "sell" his as being of superior quality and putting down or such others.. and I do not think or feel that anyone of us are qualified to do that. Just sharing our experience or documents or information and even if it came from marketing (which many of the information and even charts you find comparing machines etc). Not much out there is just pure research. So it makes it hard on all of us to choose
You can only do the best you can do.. I say try the machine that appeals or jumps out at you after you do the research of your choice. And if it does not work well for you I would assume actually all machines works to an extent and some may work better in the way of which is can get deep enough or such into the areas where you need to kill as much of the buggers as you can..
And or some say power too. But to be honest if you have a machine that is working for you use it. And if you get stuck maybe look around to trade it or use another. I have read many people have like 2 or 3 or even 4 machines they have used. And each has seemed to do something different or better than another.
That tells me most all machines are doing well and helping people but maybe no one machine has been able to do it all.
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PS This thread has never been about selling or persuading anyone one what machine to buy and we certainly should not start now or mix that into this thread... I think you would all agree.. If that thing I posted is something you feel should be taken down please let me know.
It was not intended for that but It was interesting things to think about I thought when buying a machine to consider. I looked back and it was on a blog I found and yes if you look below from the forum that was started that is there to talk about rife but started by someone how is related to the BCX Ultra machine.
But there are many sites like that and many statements made that you find that are comparing machines etc that I find useful but that are put up by one manufacturer and could be bias as well.
I think we got to take the info we can find and just be smart and do our own work around it. For me the info is just a sounding board for me to ask more questions and to look into. Like that list I posted. Things to look into for sure..
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James does not like the name "James Protocol" but I did not know what else to call it at the time. He gives full credit to Rife, as it is basically his Syphilis treatment that was used in the thirties.
So I will call it the Rife/James Lyme protocol as we have to call it something.
James recommends running a sine wave carrier frequency of 3.3 MHz with a square wave frequency of 6,600 Hz. As he said, one or the other does not produce any result, but when combined, it produces a spectrum of frequencies that do seem to kill Lyme. It is also what killed Syphilis according to Rife. We know that pretty much for certain now, we did not a couple of years ago. James was one of the parties that helped to figure that out.
James also recommends running a sweep of 200 Hz on both sides of the 6,600 Hz. Because that is the maximum error that Rife likely had based on the equipment he used. I have reduced the sweep to 100 Hz, and it seems to work quite well.
I run this sweep for one hour or longer, but I do not expect most people can tolerate that kind of time.
There is no active discussion on this method anyplace else that i know of. That is how cutting edge we are here.
I cannot say at this time if this will ultimately be better than other frequencies/methods that we know work now, or not. James is symptom free for the first time, but he also runs this frequency quite a bit.
He builds his own machines, so he is tinkering with them quite often. He does not know if he is cured, but he is symptom free. He has had Lyme for at least five years, and maybe longer.
James is a real practical person. He found a way to kill the Strongyloides he identified in his blood with a microscope. I do not know if this came with the Lyme, but I suspect it did. He reminds me of Doug in many ways. He figures out things largely by himself. I have a lot of respect for him, as you can tell.
I guess we need more evidence to know if it will cure, but I think it is safe to say it does kill Lyme very well. For now, we do not have sufficient evidence to say this is the best way, but it is one way.
I personally need to see a cure, before I will be convinced this is better than prior methods. Machine choice is still a matter of wants, needs and money available. A $600.00 EMEM is better than not buying a machine because funds are tight. They can help you improve.
If you want to use the Rife/James protocol in an accurate way, you will need a plasma device that can run a sine wave carrier that can also run a second sine or square wave frequency at the same time.
You can do something similar with the GB-4000 in contact mode, but you do not get all the harmonics that a plasma tube creates. Whether that is critical or not, remains to be seen.
I do not know of anything that reliably kills Candida. I do not think MMS kills it either, from the reports of others that have used it for this.
You can try frequencies for it, but I doubt that it will give any lasting relief.
Dan
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Dan, in the Rife/James protocol info you posted, there's no mention of coinfections. Did the waveform/frequency info you posted take care of coinfections too, or were other frequencies used?
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