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I haven't used 1224 or 2016 yet but 612 kicks my butt.
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Dan are you doing convergence sweep or frequency sweep?
Remind me once again how to get the highest harmonic for the GB (under 40,000).....what is the multiplier if I have a number of say, 832?
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I just do a straight frequency sweep, but I do not think it matters which way you do it.
When using a harmonic autoprogram, I use the channel sweep mode.
One easy way to convert to a higher harmonic is to keep doubling the frequency until you get the range you want.
An easier way is to download the Harmonic Calculator vB at the link below, as it gives more harmonics than the doubling method. You can get right below 40,000 using the calculator.
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Oh my goodness I took at look at that and wouldn't know where to start! Lyme brain -- no way could I figure that out.
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Play around with it for a while. You will figure it out. I had to do the same thing, even without Lyme brain.
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OK - Here's a very complicated question and we may require a scholar to answer it~
Is this the longest thread every at Lymenet?
I know that "Germany" one was long but we have over 1000 posts here!
For me this is the most informative thread ever (although there was that one bout Bart that I really appreciated, too, that went for a long time and was even revisited)
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I absolutely LOVE this thread! It has been invaluable to read you all's experiences. I actually went through last night and re-read a bunch of stuff. Found a post where someone (can't remember who) was using 357 successfully against Bart. Plugged it into my machine and had a BIG reaction. It completely got rid of my joint pain!
So thank you to whomever it was that posted it - If I could kiss you right now I would! Now...since I'm pain free and my joints don't feel like they have rocks in them I think I'm gonna do cartwheels around my living room, lol. Thanks again to all of you:)
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I agree this is a great thread. I am going to get my husband to build me a dougcoil machine: my stupid question of the day is for dan: do the dougcoils run sweeps and go up to higher frequencies (that you recommend for lyme? Pam
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This is a great THREAD YES!! I had not found any other ones around at all to help with lyme frequencies and experiences and just chat. I was told that a thread here would not have a chance and when I started this thread I only knew 3 others of us here who were either starting rife or were rifing.
But .. here it is and here we are and the thread grows and grows just like I had hoped!! This is going to help all of us here and many more people to come who find it and read it who want to rife. Now they have a place to start and place to ask questions and to get anticdotal experiences. Its wonderful. Thank you all for being willing to post all the specifics of your experiences including the frequencies and programs.
I have learned a lot from all of you and I am doing well with my my machine. I have the BCX Ultra and I have been visiting my mother and not online so much lately but she is going to buy the machine now too. I have been teaching her how to use of for a couple of weeks. She has cancer and I am looking around for a forum or place like this for her but there really is not one. The one on Rife.com is there but its not like this one. The long list of experiences connected with specific numbers and ideas thrown around here are invaluable...
I am working on things like adreanal and thryoid supports. I know I am off the path now of the normal Killing of the bugs but since I started out with detox and organ supports and did so well it inspired me to try other things for other problems like my whole hormonal system balance.
My mother is also responding to those programs and is on to doing cancer programs and now wants to end all her sessions with those same 4 programs I started with (if you look in the first few pages of this thread i posted all my programs for detox and liver and kidney and lymph supports).
I am no longer herxing from any of the Lyme numbers or programs but still run them with co infections too. I am working in new ones all the time because my response is so low now that I can afford to do it.
I am off all abx now and rife is all I am doing. I also do bentonite clay and nutritional smoothies with various immune boosting formulas and only a few supplements.
I do advise for you all to try the detox and organ support numbers I mentioned thread. They have been a staple for me. If you want to shorten your herx or have any detox issues even I would give them a try.
I have tried other programs and numbers for the same purpose and idea and they did not work as well as my initial ones. I do have though a few just "detox" programs that I do rotate around that group I started with too that I have not yet posted.
Next time I come back on I will post those too.
Congrads on all the successes I have been reading lately and the responses alone.
My mother is so excited because she is responding. Even if it is not going to put the cancer in remission she feels that the breakdown and killing and immune support functions along are invaluable and a great addition to her modalities she is choosing. I totally agree now that I watched her responses. Her herxes luckily are lasting only one to two days and they clear and she is responding to the supplement programs I keep talking about and it is cutting them in half or more!
We are excited
Blessings fellow rifers..
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I have never used Doug Coil, but I do not think it sweeps, and I beleive it is somewhat limited in range.
That said, it has a lot of power, and is one of the few machines that has a pretty long track record of getting the job done, and Doug feels he is cured as a result of using the machine, and at least one other person.
Here is some info, and this person will answer questions concerning building your own.
It has the following links. I like the regimen and therapy sections and they give ideas for someone with specific ailments such as lyme and even and many others as what to take and do as well as what rife frequencies to try. There are contributions from people in the rife community that are doctors and reseachers too. Some of them giving you the exact settings for the machines and not just numbers.
Some articles talk about building machines.
Also this is where I found the anctitodal lists that I learned so much from back before this thread was growing and I was desperate to find peoples experiences to learn from and that is where I got some of the ideas posted here and even ones that are being used and getting great results still.
The whole site is educational and informative and I was not sure that you all knew about it! Or if new people coming on might not know about it..
Home
Bioelectronics
Royal Rife
Hulda Clark
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Here is a site that is put up by James Bare.
This site has a link page that is kept up that has links to the site above plus MANY more!! I am in the process of going through EVERY one of those links now. I will report back as I do it. I think research is very important.
This site has so many informative links and is a researcher himself sharing his links he uses and has found! Some are links to people who post their experiences treating and using a rife device and some are information or lists or research or history etc.
Take a look. !!!!! If you get to the site make sure to scroll through that link page and read the topics and names of the links. You will see what I mean!
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Thank you, Spring! for research and for starting this site!
I've run various parasite frex 3 times now, and each time i feel reactions in my head.
Is that scary, worms in my brain? or does my head just react to frex in general?
I ran a lyme sweep 39,160- 39,175 on sine wave; for 39,168.
Dan, should that number be on sine wave?
Dan--- i'm afraid of high frex. I'm afraid of rife! That's why i haven't got the Char Boehm DNA frex yet--- afraid of the high numbers.
----Polly Polygonum ------or Nilufar Knotweed
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I am going to run parasites today.
I'll use the ones I got with my DT and add the two mentioned in this thread that get most parasites.
Then it's into the sauna for me!
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Are they 72 and 120 Mojo? The first time I ran those...yikes! Don't know what they get but they definitely get something.
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120 and 72 - I was already using 120 as it turned out. It is listed on the freq. on got with my DT EMEM5A
So in all, I did:
20, 27 (I added this for Babs), 60,72,120, 125, 440, 880 and 2400.
I only did for one minute each, then went into my sauna. So far I feel great so I will definately go longer next time.
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I was having a BAD time with bart. About 2 weeks ago I got those weird, red, itchy Bart rashes on my arm and thigh. It looked like red, swollen stretch marks and itched like crazy.
I rife constantly on a Beamray but the Bart rash was spreading... and itching! I was getting really frightened that I couldn't control this.
Anyway, I dug out my Sota little thing that straps on your wrist and has a 9 volt battery that zaps bugs on your pulse.
Couple of days later the Bart rash has stopped spreading and the existing rash is just a faint mark with no itching or swollen redness!
Hopes this might help someone. That little Sota device cost $50 on cleareance a few years ago. I'm not sure what they have now but it was well worth it.
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One other thing that really has helped me. If I don't detoxify when rifing I feel terrible.
A friend gave me some Scudders' Alternative from Gaia Herb. It really helps cleanse lymph and makes me feel close to normal. If I don't have it now I feel flu like.
I put drops in water and I love it!
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LoneDove -- I agree with you about detoxing. I sit in my sauna or do a coffee enema after the rife session. I want to get rid of what I killed during my session. It reduces the herx in my opinion.
I am currently using the GB and I got tired of holding the steel cylinders in my hands for an hour or so. So I used some ace bandages and attached a cylinder to each forearm. This allows me to read/write better while rifing. Has anyone done something like this with a contact machine?
Also, this week I have started to rife for some viruses (EBV, CMV, HHV-6, ect). I will post on that in two weeks time and let you know how it goes.
I am also getting ready to rife on single numbers rather than groups of numbers that are preprogrammed into my machine. I just have to get around to creating the new lists to enter into my machine.
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Pamisondelune, I have the Char Boehm frex numbers, they are not high?
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Pamisondelune, I have the Char Boehm frex numbers, they are not high?
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The DNA Lyme frequencies, seemed to work better at higher harmonics. But, I am going by very subjective evidence, so it could be wrong. I did not get hardly any response running in the three digit range. I got very pronounced responses in the MHz range. I did not try any range in between. It is quite possible that there are other ranges that work well, or maybe even better.
I only use Sine waves for healing type frequencies, or non-killing frequencies. I hardly ever use Sine waves for anything. That does not mean they do not work. Rife used Sine waves, but he had no other option at the time. He used gating to spike the sine wave, and this is what he said, "did the business".
I use a square wave and gating for any killing frequency. The square wave produces more harmonics, and changes abruptly, which in theory should disrupt the organism better.
If you use a Sine wave for a pathogen killing frequency, use gating along with it, as Rife did.
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Dan -- our machine defaults to Square wave right? You have to manually change to sine wave? A little "SQ" shows up in my window, I assume that is Square.
What does gating do? why is it useful?
I used the octave calender last night and created a channel based on harmonics of 832. the highest harmonic of 832 my machine can do in square wave is 40,000. So my highest number up to that was 26,624. So my group was 832, 1664, 3328, 6656, 13,312, 26,624.
I am getting my socks knocked off today but I also did Lyme.
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My guts are not cured. Candida in alternate ascendancy while i rifed on parasites.
I don't know what i have or how to treat it.
Here's a quote from Selma:
QUOTE I believe some pathogens and parasites profit from photons. And we detox heavy metals from photon treatment too. So it can be a dangerous treatment... UNQUOTE
Haven't i read that parasites can also be stimulated by rifing?? I felt so strange yesterday , i suspected that might be the case.
----Polly Polygonum ----or Nilufar Knotweed
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: I don't know what i have or how to treat it.
----Polly Polygonum ----or Nilufar Knotweed
I think this is a HUGE problem for many. I know I have Bart, Lyme and prob. Erlich and parasites and some yeast. But what else??????
I've been treating for four years now with everything from Rife to ABX to Cowden and I've gotten much better but I'm still sick. Everyday.
I think it's a combination of having these germs for 30 years or more AND not having a complete diagnosis due to inaccurate testing.
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Maybe some healing methods would help the intestinal tract.
Coconut Oil is antibacterial, antifungal, and should come into direct contact with whatever is in the guts. It also will boost your energy at least temporarily.
It is easily absorbed by the body, and is not harmful in any way.
It may not help, but it certainly cannot hurt anything, and is a Lyme treatment of its own.
MMS is not as benign, but it did clear up my Crohn's Symptoms, which was directly related to bad intestinal bacteria. It is also an oxidizer, which will kill many types of pathogens.
I use it often if I suspect an unknown infection. You do have to use it slowly and carefully. Individual responses to it vary quite a bit.
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BTW - Yesterday I just did Bart frequencies ( all of them listed here - one min each - excpt. 1518 and 832 I did 3 mins as I was already used to them)
I did my sauna for 40 to 45 min two days in a row and even did parasites the other day.
So far this is the best day I've had in a LONG time.
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I am pretty sure Bart frequency 832 Hz works. Cindy always gets a low fever, swollen glands, and a sore throat, after the Bart treatment.
These are new post treatment reactions that do not occur without that frequency. They also are reactions fairly typical to any infection of the body.
I am hoping to gauge how much is left by reduction of these treatment reactions. So far the result has been the same every time. She must have quite a lot of this, and at some point she should not react to the treatment any longer.
I am holding off treating her for now, as it does make her sick to a degree. She has to clear out some of the dead matter before I can hit it again.
I treat her for Lyme and Bart at the same time, but one new treatment symptom is a numbness on the Right side of her face that often comes during the Lyme treatment. It also will pop up during the day randomly.
This is the same area that her Bell's Palsy started, a few years ago. I am not sure what to make of this coming on now. Possibly more cyst die off, or maybe it is connected to the Bart somehow?
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Mojo -- great news about the bart frequencies. I think the key with rifing for Bart is to work your way up to rifing for it every day.
I did bart, EBV & CFS today and my face & head have been on fire ever since. That is a type of herx for me.
CD57 -- I really need to figure out the gateing & sweeps on the GB. I have been using the pre-programmed frequencies and I haven't been getting much of a herx. Over the weekend I hope to create single frequency lists to run. That way I get more power from the individual frequencies.
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polly and mojo-
Just a thought...can you try to find a practitioner who does electrodermal screening (Voll method)? I think that can be the key for many because you can see what bacteria you have and what treatments work on it.
Art testing can also help in this way...I know that it helped Selma (brussels) a lot when she cured herself with herbal treatments.
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what is electrdermal screening?
My Lyme herx is all over, intense pain....skull throbs, bones ache, muscles on fire. I WAY over did it. I used to feel this way on IM Bicillin shots way back when. I must still have a ton of Lyme. I don't get it!
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The GB-4000 defaults to square wave when you turn it on. Yes, the SQ means it is set for square wave.
Gating stops and starts the running frequencies at regular intervals. This causes a spike in the wave form. This spike is what Rife thought actually killed the pathogen, and I am sure he tried it without the spike to confirm this.
That does not mean all pathogens need the spike, as he also did not use square waves at that time, and it is possible that has an effect also.
On a Plasma machine the gating also allows a deionization of the plasma tube, which is also thought to help kill pathogens.
I have run the gating at 10 and 75. I cannot tell a difference in effect from one to the other.
What frequencies are you using CD57?
Dan
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For the most part I'm using Char Boehm's Lyme and bart frex. Also ran the auto channel for Lyme on our machine.
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For Rifers here, are people "killing" the pathogens with just the machines or using other stuff in conjunction with?
Dan, I don't think you use anything else on Cindy is that right?
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CD57, I just rife, nothing else. I'm entertaining the idea of buying some MMS because Dan keeps talking it up:) It's cheap so it's not like I'm out a lot of money if I decide it's not my cup of tea.
Springshowers, thanks for posting all those links - spent some time night before last reading as much as I could.
Also, anyone ever get sore ribs? Kinda like someone punched you and it hurts to take a deep breath? This is new for me and not sure if it's a herx or what....
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Cindy takes the same supplements I do that may help in an indirect way. I do not think any of them would qualify as a treatment, but do support the treatment.
These are basically used for general health, keeping biofilms from forming in the blood, and for inflammation.
Frequency treatments are all we have used for quite some time. We have used Samento and Cumanda a few years ago, but they only worked to a degree. She also used MMS, but Stomach intolerance stopped that treatment.
I still use MMS, as it does not cause any problem for me. In fact, it is the second most important Crohn's treatment I have. I always stress that you have to go slow with it. It is powerful, and probably is slightly more risky in my opinion than frequency treatments.
We are sticking with the frequency treatments because they are likely the most efficient way of getting to all of the Lyme, regardless of where it resides. Also because it has always worked for reducing symptoms, and I am quite sure it also reduces the bacterial load.
I am basically out to cure it now. That is the goal. We will see if it can be done. A few others claim to have been cured using this method. I will believe it, when I see it.
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Sore ribs are a Lyme symptom with some people. The Lyme gets into the cartilage or connecting tissue that connect to the ribs, if I remember correctly.
I am guessing if you have killed some of it, there is some irritation caused by the chemical dumping of the dead bacteria. Speculation.
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LL, Sore ribs, costochondritis? I have had that for yrs. It was a lot worse when it 1st hit and I got steroid shots for it that helped. I wasn't diag. with Lyme at the time. For yrs. it's only hurt here and there, and not half as painful. Lately, it's been flaring a bit more.
CD57, I felt the need to go on abx 2 yrs. ago. I am just now weaning off of them (and it will take quite awhile) and getting back to rifing. I, also, take Prima Una de Gato (Cat's Claw) and Plaquenil prescribed by my LLMD and she has me on many other supplements.
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I have sore ribs at times.
CD57 - I'm just rifing.
tickbattler - I may have found a Lyme Dr. a couple hours away that is "Rife happy" that may be able to help my sister and I figure this out.
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I feel it is really helping me see progress with my children.
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I went to a NP that used something like electodermal screening. It was fascinating to see what this machine came up with. Then he used 'drops' to heal whatever was "wrong" with me at that time.
I had die off reactions from these drops, too.
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Hey, I snuck in on the rife thread.
Sore ribs is costocondritis. I had it as one of my first symptoms. My regular doctor(and who knows if he knows what he is talking about), said it is inflammation of the cartlidge in the rib cage.
It can be very painful! I had a rib that felt like it was loose and moving around. Very weird.
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Alot of people have said on this forum that for them sore ribs are a lyme symptom.
For me, it's a Babesia symptom, i think. One weekend i forgot my Malarone pills and got increasing rib soreness for 10 days, until i couldn't sleep because it hurt to breathe.
So i rubbed the ribs with essential oils (similar to Farah's, q.v.) and the soreness went away fast!
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I realize approximately what happened with my guts, thanks to Nenah Sylver's book, The Rife Handbook, p. 554. It's an explanation by Jeff Sutherland, which i can't quote because of copyright prohibitions in the front of the book. It's an excellent explanation which fits.
He recommends killing the parasites in the gut with herbs, which may send refugees to other places in the body, which then you can kill with rife frequencies. So my lazy procedure of not putting the wet metal things on my abdomen turned out to be the right thing to do.
On Wednesday i did a long parasite session, but no Candida frequencies. I also took Amargo, an anti-parasite herb, for cleaning out the gut, from http://www.rain-tree.com.
I felt terrible and was worried about a feeling of high blood pressure, which i associated tentatively with the Amargo.
Apparently, what happened is that the Amargo sent refugee parasites out of the gut into places where Jeff Sutherland writes they can indeed cause e.g.,high blood pressure.
Also my guts were completely unbalanced and i got a lot of diarrhea today which is still going on, in spite of anti-candida rifing and herbs.
So from my attacking unknown parasites, my guts were made much worse!
Jeff Sutherland, on p. 554, says that frequencies which are not within a few hertz of the correct frequency can indeed stimulate the parasites!
Now how do i get rid of this diarrhea, which nothing so far has stopped?
----Polly Polygonum ----or Nilufar Knotweed
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Sounds like you need a binder....charcoal, CSM? something strong.
I can't wait to get the book. I just ordered it.
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Polly -- sorry I don't have any suggestions for helping your diarrhea. Do you think you are passing out parasites in your poop? That could be a good thing.
I can't figure out if I have rib or lung pain. I have read that lyme & company (as well as parasites/viruses) like to hang out in the lungs. I was thinking of putting the metal hand plates on my ribs and try zapping them that way.
The Rife Handbook is great. CD57 - you will love it. I think it is one of those books that you will always be referencing while rifing.
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Probiotics help in the rare case that I get diarrhea (I typcially have the opposite problem). Florastor especially nips it in the bud.
asummers makes a good point - maybe if it's not too bad you can stick it out if you are getting rid of stuff.
My handbook says rifing for Candida can give you diarrhea, too, so maybe that's contributing to the problem.
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mojo -- i saw a well respected chiro in the KC area who had me on some 'drops' like you said your NP is having you do.
I would go to his office and this machine would tell me what I needed to deal with and then he would prescribe me the correct drops. I have to say, that this machine was spot on. And the drops seemed to help. I moved to Australia, and I was unable to find someone over here (within driving range) that used this same protocol.
From what I can tell, it is on the same lines of the AI therapy that has a thread on lymenet. Once I get off abx, I am going to do the AI protocol.
Please keep us posted as your experience with your new NP.
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Actually, I don't see him anymore due to my current finances. I saw him three or four times - each time I had all sorts of parasites and other "stuff" and the drops seemed to really help.
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