Topic: Bionic 880 thread - promise I won't delete it
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When packing with aluminium foil, leave the shining part outside (to reflet whatever comes from out). That's what I've been told (homeopaths).
Higher potencies react easier than lower D potencies. I usually do two layers on my L potencies or high C potencies to help keeping it good. With D nosodes, only one layer.
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Selma and Gigi,
Do you wrap each individual nosode, or can you put the aluminum around the whole set of nosodes?
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Eveyone gets IV's to help with detoxification. Dr W said we would not be happy with him if he didnt give us IV's..Meaning the herex would be very strong.
Me and six didn't get ozone treatment but several other people did. Dr W just decides if you need one based on your symptoms.
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Is there any pattern to who gets magnesium and who gets ozone? I am just trying to figure this out incase I can get treated in the USA.
The last person that lived in my rental unit was treated by someone in my county with nosodes externally and after months of not being able to get out of bed is normal now. They had adrenal problems and were not said to have Lyme.
I doubt they were treated with the Bionic 880 but I still want to find out more about their treatment and I am hoping to maybe get treated with an Bionic 880 at some point in the USA but if that is not possible I would still consider traveling to Germany.
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I am so glad to hear about all the positive improvements with this treatment. A new day is here! A brighter day will come for all of us.
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Another question for you in terms of what the Bionic 880 can do. Obviously we are bombarded with toxins on a daily basis and I recently read that the average person has hundreds of stored toxins (from our air, food etc...) already in our bodies (toxic burden).
Would it be possible to put different products (say cosmetic foundation or shampoo) in a vial and then use the 880? Would it target the chemicals in that product that may be stored in our bodies and release them?
I will definitely ask Dr. W this when I meet him in February if no one now knows the answer.
Thanks Gigi!!
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Rachelle,
With homeopathics you can remove some of the toxic load. I have pesticide vials, I have solvent vials, I have insecticide vials, that can be used for that.
I have noticed that when I started to treat my husband's for all infections, metals, fungi, mold, etc., I always find residue of any of these environmental toxins in his urins. What I find reads like the list of neurotoxins.
We are not "getting older" - we are getting more toxic! If you are sick -- you are toxic. That's what the whole thing is all about. Besides Lyme infection, it is a whole lot of others that the body at one point cannot handle any longer.
It has always been my mantra that if you reduce the infections and take the metals out, all else is not going to hang around for a long time. It takes some work, it takes patience.
Be sure to ask Dr. W. You might have to stay longer, because it cannot be done overnight or in three weeks. Our body could not handle that.
Take care.
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I'm kind of confused again about this machine. I hear a lot of good reports that people are coming back, after 3 weeks of treatment, "cured" of Lyme, or will only need a treatment or two after leaving Germany to be cleared of Lyme. But Betterhealthguy, sorry, don't know your real name, is saying in his latest blog that Lyme will not be "cured" in 3 weeks. ???? What am I not understanding here?
I will be going over in February for 4 weeks of treatment, and I'm hoping to come back better. Although will continue to do some detoxing after returning home for other things other than Lyme. I'm hoping Lyme will be completely gone by the time I get back on the plane. Wishful thinking?! Posts: 215 | From Phoenix, AZ | Registered: Jul 2008
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Hi Six - (Nov 3 - Sorry, I've been avoiding computer - too much EMF lately) - Thank you! I did email Dr. W.'s office, but have not received any email responses. I can fax them questions.. ----------- Thank's Hiker53 regarding nosodes orally - I really did Stop taking them orally. ----------- WARNING to anyone who finds a `strong 880' that is not a Bionic 880, plus little opportunity for IV detox support - - - Don't Do it.
I now have a lump on my left jaw. It is located beside a molar which has a metal screw in it. Yes - this tooth will be total reconstructed very soon. Or maybe pulled. I understand Root Canals harbor bacteria. I'm using SOTA LightWorks on my jawbone to keep the pain down. ----------- Hi Angelica - The 880 that was used here in the LLMD's Mesa office was definitely not a Bionic 880. I did ask for the treatment. This office is often chaotic and I feel they shoot from the hip.
I have overheard other patients complain of folks in the medical field making money off sick people and there were complaints at this office also. Patients have run out of money after their first two months of IV's. I plan to return to the Homeopathic technician who uses the Bio-Meridian machine for further tests .
The 880 experience was So Very Painful without a high level of detoxing dead spirochetes, (maybe brain cells ??). I can handle a high level of pain - rancher's daughter. ----------- Thanks NanaDubo - I was only ``hopeful'' that I'd found an 880. Drank tons of water and used detox drops, etc. That was definitely not good enough without experienced, professional training. This is what Gigi was saying all along.
I was just hopeful as the technician kept saying this 880 was the same thing...that it could do the same thing. This machine had probes, not a light. The Naturopathic technician said she read online what to do. I believed her.
LymeNet readers who happen upon an 880 that uses probes - I pray you will steer clear of it. It was painful without proper protocol.
John - I tried to PM back, but your mailbox was full.
Thank You Kindly ~ Grace ~
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No one will be cured of Lyme in three weeks. Lyme is more than just Borrelia. In fact, no one recently that left here was told they were even "cured" of Lyme. They all needed more treatments when they went home. Dr. W is very careful to say that with German patients, this process takes months.
With American patients, they have not seemed to have the same improvement as the German patients. Why? I don't think we fully know yet but only being here for 3 weeks is certainly a part of it.
Coinfections exist in German patients as well so I am not sure yet why we are different in that regard, but the photons do not seem to fully address coinfections from what the American patients are seeing so far - at least not in 3 weeks. Dr. W does not address the coinfections at all in that period of time and to date, has not had to in German patients much at all. It will probably take more time to figure this aspect of the treatment out.
Then you have mold/fungi, metals, parasites, and many other things that still impact our health. Viruses, etc. All can in theory be treated with the Bionic, but it takes time.
I think if someone says they are free of Lyme, this is possible with the 880, but Lyme in this context means the Borrelia infection, not all of the other issues. Lyme is the ring-leader and may then allow the body to heal from the other issues, but it takes time after the body is not longer impacted by the Borrelia.
There is no miracle cure though there are some very promising experiences from people around the Bionic. It will take us more time to fully realize the total benefits that are possible. This is also in its infancy and I am sure that as more people start to use it, the protocol/approach will be adjusted and refined.
Dr. W is a brilliant doctor and I trust that he believes his treatment will lead to improvement, but Lyme is a big problem and not one that will be solved in 3 weeks.
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Grace. root canals not only harbor bacteria, they release a the worst toxin mankind knows called thioethers and mercaptans 24/7. It is carcinogenic. The root canal is the firs thing that gets major attention from Dr. K. if someone has progressed to cancer. I had 12 of them and they are all gone. Whether ill already or well, don't ever get a root canal. I would also avoid bridges to fill the gaps, because that leads to more root canals. Too much stress on adjoining teeth.
Please do a search here, I have talked about root canals for years. Thioethers are dead body toxins and is one of the reasons we embalm people. My husband would not have been as ill if he had not had these. They are referred to as dental toxins also and in my husband, they could energeticall be found in his feet ---- I had to detox thioethers for many months. Now, with the Bionic, I would use a thioether vial which is available for testing, and it wouldn't be half as bad. It's the stuff that keeps people dizzy, drunk, feeling as if I had a half brain only and kept me in a very depressed state for years. The day they were removed and the metals out, my life started anew. But it took years to remove the toxins from the body.
If you want to avoid futre problems: Don't ever get a root canal. Get a partial with one tooth attached to it, if you need to lose the tooth. Per researchers in this field - all root canals fail sooner or later, because they are actually treating dead teeth to begin with --------the tooth has expired but remains in the body....
Take care.
P.S. Ozone injections help some of the infections, but not if too far advanced. And they have to be repeated many times. 12 in a row. The bacteria tend to settle in that type of terrain - and they seem to hang on. It is best to do a thorough cleanup of the teeth.
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More on teeth - I was referred to a very good biological dentist by a couple of people here. The dentist and the entire staff was very excited to learn more about the Bionic 880.
They put together a complete plan for me. (step 1) Next week they have someone who comes up from Georgia with a machine (wonder if it's the Bicom?) to test compatibility for every single thing they could possibly use in my mouth. The same day they will test the three root canals I have for what Gigi is talking about. (step 2)
In two weeks I am scheduled to have all my amalgams out in one sitting. They prefer to do it this way if one can stand it so you don't have to go through trying to heal and then do it all over again.
If the root canals are going to go - and I assume they are - I imagine they will do this first. Can't imagine adding that to an already full day of amalgam removal! I have never enjoyed going to the dentist the least bit but I am actually looking forward to this.
One of the first things that happened after returning from Germany/treatment with Dr. W, was that my jaw starting hurting. Old root canal finally had the space to start screaming at me. Couldn't feel it or my body just couldn't deal with it before the lyme load got knocked out. I had the tooth removed by my local dentist but I do not know if that will have been enough just yet.
I still test lyme free with the biotensor but as Gigi has been saying all along, there is SO much more to this. Especially if you have been ill for a long time.
Being lyme free is great but it does not mean you go immediately back to feeling like you might have felt pre-lyme. I had a nice reprieve and felt absolutely wonderful for six weeks after returning home. I still do, but now there is more work to do, and more work to do and more work to do!
I at least feel like there is a direction and a plan now. When I was full of lyme I didn't even know which end was up and the only plan I had was devising a way to get through the day.
I do want to say one more time - after having gone through the treatment in Germany, I would NEVER purchase a machine and attempt this on my own without a skilled doctor who knows the machine and knows lyme,
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now i am wondering if i should wait till summer 09 to go over to germany? i am scheduled for january but i'd rather go when dr w has his protocol refined for us americans. anyone agree that this would be smart?
also, grace- i cleared out inbox.
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John, You can only do soooo much in 3 weeks. I'm not sure he can refine it to the point of a perfect solution. And is there a benefit in waiting, only you can know the answer to that.
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I think you should wait, John. First of all, it will be good to really see how people feel in a few months in retrospect. They will have a better sense of how helpful it was and how treating at home has been. Second, it's much easier on the body to travel in warm weather, esp. to another country.
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I don't think this will ever be a 3 week "cure". He may learn more from the Americans that have already gone in terms of how to address co-infections, etc. but this likely would be in the form of more clear next steps for people that return home. There is just no way to put more load on the body. The Borrelia alone is quite powerful and people doing it here definitely feel that something is happening.
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So if I'm understanding correctly, Scott is saying there is no way to clear everything in 3 weeks (which I understood before), but Lyme MIGHT be able to be cleared or at best a good dent can be made in clearing the actual Lyme bacteria.
Nano is saying that if you bring a machine back home, it's advisably NOT to use it unless under the care of a doctor that is familiar with Lyme and the machine.
So it sounds like $6K is a large amount of money for a treatment that might make a dent in your recovery, especially if you don't know a doctor that can continue treatment here in the states or have the means to continue to travel back and forth to Germany.
Just thinking out loud and want to make sure before I spend the little bit of money I have left, that this is a wise decision.
Thanks all for the wonderful advice!
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I would agree with Scott's assessment. As powerful and potentially curative that this machine is, if you are severely ill--which you may or may not be--I don't think you'll see significant changes within 3 weeks. If your only problem is lyme, then the cards are different. Unfortunately, most of us that are severely ill probably have more problems than just the lyme bug.
Once again, I would advise anyone spending their last dollars on this trip to think twice esp. if carrying high expectations or even hopes. The use of the bionic with nosodes is clearly still in its infancy, and much experimentation by Dr. Woitzel, other lyme docs, and us is needed before I would recommend this trip as the best bargain for the hard-pressed buck.
That is just my opinion, and others that have come before me may disagree, but I think all of us would agree there is an extraordinary fog of hype to sort through right now.
I'm not sure how much we will learn in the next few months about using the bionic for co-infections, heavy metals, and how safe it is to use without the IVs Dr W offers, but as we've seen in these last few months, much can be learned in a short amount of time when a powerful therapy is hanging in the balance. I think it is worth the wait.
-joey
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I disagree with both Scott and Joey. Not everyone can go to Germany for the treatment.
So the answer is just stay sick. Doesn't seem to quite cut it for me as phylosophical position. Or wait for the magic elixir to solve this problem.
The treatment is now available, the ideas behind it are available. There are doctors in this country who could very capably can do what Dr. W. has done. No disrespect to Dr W. for a wonderful way of looking at solving this issue.
I'm still for getting units here and advancing the cause of knowledge. Not waiting or hoping someone is going to figure it out and put it on my door step. If I've understood anything from GiGi, knowledge doesn't come unless you try and experiment.
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quote: If your only problem is lyme, then the cards are different. Unfortunately, most of us that are severely ill probably have more problems than just the lyme bug.
Yes, Joey is very right in this. I think I said this before a few thousand times!
I have never known a Lyme patient who was otherwise "clean". It just does not happen. We live in a world that makes it quite difficult to avoid. I found pesticides on my salsa and on a fresh cucumber the other day! Look around you -- allergic people everywhere. The body turns allergic for many reasons. Lyme then has easy access.
With the Bionic treatment and with the Borrelia gone, however, heavy metal treatment is so simple!!!! --- I am reminded of the years we had been trying to get rid of the metals from the intracellular spaces and even with all the Klinghardt tricks they were not all forthcoming. A trickle here and a trickle there. All sorts of ``detoxing pathway'' excuses! Genetics! Since the Borrelia has been eradicated, the metals are pouring out as if opening a faucet. It takes very few treatments with the homeopathic heavy metal vials.
(Had a talk recently with another practitioner in Germany who treats with Bionic - comment was - "metals are gone 2-3 treatments". )
I had been well for years, but in my own energetic testing I found that I was still carrying some heavy metals. Nothing that really bothered me. But I treated them several times, seconds only with the right frequencies, and today none are showing constantly every day. I check occasionally with the Biotensor; if I find any, I treat. No IV's - also not for my husband. I do test the setting of the Bionic every time and I do pay attention to binding agents. That is literally the only thing we take besides real food. No more supplements whatsoever.
The treatment of co-infections with the Bionic880 seems quicker, not more difficult, than treating Borrelia. I interpret that this way: One must realize, that some of the bulk is now gone and the system can release the toxins much more readily. This is also more evident in energetic testing. Without all the toxins piled up inside of us, energetic testing must wade through a whole maze of them before we get clearer and clearer signals. It makes energetic testing very easy.
Want to add here: I would not attempt to treat with the Bionic with Amalgam fillings still in the mouth, either here or by any doctor in Germany. The fillings continue to release, as long as they are in the mouth, the mercury, and the photons would have to be on a constant chase. Mercury does not belong and I agree when Dr. K. says that treating anyone for a chronic disease with amalgams and root canals in the mouth is not a good idea. I would consider this a waste of one'own energy, adding stress, and money.
I am also very certain that some of the different reactions by patients that Dr. W. sees are due to the total toxic load, and not merely the Borrelia die-off. When bacteria die-off, no matter what instrument or medium is used, metals move. Cells cleans up -- everything! not merely a few Borrelia. They start dumping. The more toxins - the tougher the reactions.
We have treated since returning from Germany: a number of different infections not directly related to Lyme, heavy metals, viruses, vaccines going back to childhood, vaccines my husband got in Navy, environmental toxins galore. Even the acetone I used to have in my nail polish remover years ago; all the solvents I used to dip my hands into when painting, doing repair work, art work, the tiny print on make-up bottles, isopropyl alcohol and all the other related ingredients. We pay a fortune for it at Nordstrom, put it on our body, and now we pay again for getting it out of the way to stay healthy. Many I find myself with test vials. Many are found with Skasys tests and some others that are similar, but not identical.
It's the accumulation that makes us ill and often the Lyme infections are only the straw that broke the camel's back.
Take care.
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Rachellemarie - you posted:
"Nano is saying that if you bring a machine back home, it's advisably NOT to use it unless under the care of a doctor that is familiar with Lyme and the machine"
That is not what I meant. After having been through treatment, I would never just get a machine and use it unless I had first been under Dr. W's care. I would feel confident treating myself now.
I worry about ill people trying this on their own, without Dr. W or the infusions that help with the process.
Just wanted to clear that up. I think anyone who has been there and purchased a machine would agree that it is easy enough to continue to treat yourself as you have already dumped the lyme load or a majority of it. You can then work on other things.
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We are thinking about going next summer. My kids (Jake & Jordan) have shunts because of pseudo-tumor cerebri. Jake has a VP shunt and Jordan has an LP shunt.
Does anyone know if the shunts would be a issue/problem?
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Thanks Nana for clearing that up, I apologize for misunderstanding.
That makes me feel better! I do plan on going over, learning as much as possible and then continue treatment with the 880 here in the states upon my return (without any/much help from my local LLMD).
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When you treated your friend Russ did you use anything for detox?
What kind of reaction did he have?
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ctlyme, He took binding agents, charcoal, zeolite, etc. He has been a Klinghardt patient and had done a lot of cleanup work for years. Dental stuff and detox of all sorts. But still Lyme was resurfacing. He has not shown any Borrelia anymore since I treated him -- just needs some metal detox. But since he had done a lot before, after Bionic treatment, a lot of the metals seem to come out without much treatment. It seemed that way even with my husband. Everytime I tested his "output", I found all types of metals, as well as fungi residue, etc., even though I had not specifically treated him for fungi yet.
Russ did not have a single bad day after the treatment. It was a little more for my husband, but not out of the ordinary where I would have wanted to get IV's etc. The IV's Dr. W. does are simply short homeopathic forms. The ozone treatments Dr.W. does are a bit more demanding. Yet they did not bother my husband one bit either. My friend looks good and feels good.
The toxic load determines the aftereffects of the treatments. Not a herxheimer - just toxin release. If anyone was on abx for years, it definitely is a different picture and takes longer.
Take care.
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Thank you Gigi, Nano, Scott, John, Lyme-in-MD and ALL.
I will have my root canal tooth pulled. I have no more amalgyms (visible). Have no clue what materials are used underneath the crowns on my molars. My previous dentist retired.
Other than some viruses, Lyme is all that I am dealing with (that I am aware of).
You have answered many questions here on page 20. I'll do more searchs to read previous information regarding teeth, toxins, etc.
This Forum is such a Guiding Light for so many - me included.
Thank You Tremendously, Grace
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NYjohn, I don't think waiting will make Dr. W's treatment for American patients any better. I think that what he does is three weeks is about all that can be accomplished.
After three weeks in Germany .... a sixth treatment on my machine in Germany, then two more treatments at home .... I feel almost "normal".
We just spent 4 days in Las Vegas on a business trip and the whole four days was jam packed full of activity from the time I got up till the time I went to bed at night. Probably not the smartest thing, but I felt fine the whole time, got 8 hours sleep per night, and didn't feel like I was pushing myself at all.
My air hunger has improved significantly in the past week since I've been home. Maybe my own immune system is going after the babesia?
I agree that you won't be 100% finished in three weeks, though I feel night and day different than when I went.
I want to tell you all about a watch I found while I was in Las Vegas. I was concerned about EMF exposure and just happened on this watch ... when I was walking around the store, the salesman just started talking about EMF's and the watch.
He took my husband's cell phone and muscle tested him ... the phone made him weak, then he was not weak with the phone when he was wearing the watch.
I bought one .... by the time I got up to my room a half hour later, my ring finger was all black from my wedding ring (that never happens). I have heard that black fingers from rings can be a galvanic reaction pulling metals out.
Anyway, here's the link in case your interested .... www.philipstein.com (I do not have a financial interest in this, just passing on something I found). I bring it up here because it's based on frequencies, which is so important with the Bionic 880.
The Bionic 880 and Lyme treatment is based on the earth's frequency ... so is this watch ... not saying the watch is treatment, just that it's supposed to help with EMF's
Thanks, GiGi, for telling us about the Bionic 880. I have my life back.
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Its great that your frined has improved and it must give a great deal of pleasure to know you had a hand in it.
Six, keep up the positive updates. I'm so happy for all of you that are improving and sharing. It sometimes gets emotional reading the positive posts.
My condition vicariously improves for about a minute when i read a post such as your last one. Almsot feel like its happening to me and the emotion gets the best of me.
All of us are fighting everyday and to hear of people getting better gives us alot of hope.
Thanks for sharing!
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I'm not sure what your financial situation is, but my post was directed at those patients that sound eager to spend their last remaining dollars--or even dollars they don't have--on this trip. With these types of financial restrictions, I believe it is worthwhile waiting. What if you take out a loan to go in January, get treated for lyme (only), don't feel better, only to find out that a few months later, Dr. Woitzel or another German doc is treating coinfections?
I am only trying to be a harbinger for those that are putting all their eggs in a basket that clearly is very much unknown as of yet, when the situation may change in a few months. No one wants to stay sick, but because we're so sick, it's more important than ever to remember desperation often clashes with sound decision-making. I believe it is my responsibility, esp. after coming here and not feeling much better, to warn that others as severely-ill and toxic as me will in all likelihood share my outcome if Dr. W or another doc doesn't provide an expanded protocol for co-infections.
On the other hand, with all the experimentation that will be done by those who have come or are currently in Germany, I believe a plethora of information will arise in the next few months. This present the other likelihood that we may very well learn how to get this done on our own. All is speculation, but there is that likelihood.
All I'm saying is, with the pace of progress with knowledge on this machine, it may be worth waiting for more information to come in for the financially stressed. I would never want anyone to "stay sick" and I hope my message doesn't get construed as that.
-joey
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Fordace - you can do a search for biological dentists. I would also want a referral from someone I know who has had done work there.
I think I have found the very best in Massachusetts. They are incredible and take more precautions than any I have heard about.
I would like to have all of my teeth too but if I lose some due to route canals, so be it. Would rather be rid of the toxins. A really good dentist will test compatibility for anything they put in your mouth, including partials etc.
They can do great things these days with materials that won't poison you if you find the right dentist.
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Check with your dentist to make sure the resin he uses to fill a tooth does not contain bisphenol-A. He will have to check with the manufacturer. It is a hormone mimic.
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Joey -- I understand what you and Scott are saying about setting proper expectations. And, I do agree an individual shouldn't self treat with a bionic without the aid of practioner.
It is important we don't loose the concept of people working together. Nor the concept of improving ones condition.
As far as getting a machine here in a group situation is probably the best way to reach people who are very sick and can't afford going to Germany. I'll give you an example: a student without means, a mother barely making it, on and on and on. People who are very sick who can't qualify for disability.
Support groups working with a practioner who understands how to treat lyme. I believe using biotensors might give an edge to a group to better understand the illness and how to combat it. We need to find a better way then just going to Germany. I believe support groups becoming health groups are the answer. So together we win devided we just stay sick unless you can go to Germany and bring a machine back.
As far as my situation, I don't believe I'm far from remission. Not totally sure yet! With the biotensor I have, I don't test positively for lyme, metals, candida, yeast or fungi. I may still be battling some viral issues and mineral imbalances. I believe I'll know in a month or so.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I want to tell you all about a watch I found while I was in Las Vegas. I was concerned about EMF exposure and just happened on this watch ... when I was walking around the store, the salesman just started talking about EMF's and the watch.
He took my husband's cell phone and muscle tested him ... the phone made him weak, then he was not weak with the phone when he was wearing the watch.
I bought one .... by the time I got up to my room a half hour later, my ring finger was all black from my wedding ring (that never happens). I have heard that black fingers from rings can be a galvanic reaction pulling metals out.
Anyway, here's the link in case your interested .... www.philipstein.com (I do not have a financial interest in this, just passing on something I found). I bring it up here because it's based on frequencies, which is so important with the Bionic 880.
How much was the watch? It looks pricey and I notice that in Canada, it sells at Holt Renfrew (very upscale department store)... I'm interested in getting one but worried I cannot afford!
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Well, mine was an upscale model, so I don't know the pricing on the basic models. They are not cheap. Cool idea though. You could always call the jewelry store and ask what the basic model costs.
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Bob, I believe that with energetic tests, our bodies show what are urgent NOW, but not exactly what we have.
And some things are difficult to ask unless we have the proper knowledge (I'm thinking specifically about the problem of candida and fungi, that are not entities like bacteries). It's not a matter of kill and get rid of them.
I don't test for borrelia, it has been like this for about a year (mostly negative for borrelia, but sometimes it appears again). As I'm most of the times symptomless, this looks fine.
But borrelia is still here, because it comes back on and off.
I believe Gigi is right in saying that we still have hidden toxins AND bacteries, mold, fungi. Each of them may act as gatekeepers to keep toxins stored somewhere and vice versa (toxins can act as hiding places for bacteries, candida).
For some people, it is borrelia THE gate keeper. Eliminating it may trigger lots of detoxing reactions, like what Joey is saying, Six reported and so on.
My main problem though are candida, it is much older than lyme for me. Decades older. So I think my gate keeper is not lyme, but candida.
I would like though to get rid of borrelia, for sure, so that I don't have to worry about it and go after the candida ONLY.
If anyone is coming in the beginning of April to see dr. W., we will be there!
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I definitely agree that muscle testing is just the here and now. The biotensor is definitely different, it is more a quantum device then it is just muscle testing. I believe I've got answers beyond the here and now with it. Maybe Alv or GiGi could comment on it or maybe just my experience.
Selma -- look up David Hawkins Phd and the book "Power vs Force?". I believe he uses the biotensor not just for healing but for doing quantum calculations by tapping internally to the subconscious with the tensor. In otherwords many great discoveries come from asking questions of our subconscious through dreams. The biotensor might go beyond that. Still have a lot to learn and be sure of if thats possible.
I'll be wiring the money today for the biotensor GiGi recommends. I don't want to assume too much until I have that biotensor as to my experience so far.
In the mean time, I'm enjoying some improved health.
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The energetic testing that Dr. W uses is not the same as muscle testing.
Brussels, I hope it goes well for you in April. If candida is a big issue, it might be beneficial to bring some candida nosodes with you to Dr. W's office. If you will have access to a Bionic once you get home, you can treat candida afterward.
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Bob I'm very happy you're going to get the expensive one now. Please let us know if you actually feel there is a substantial difference in which case I will make my purchase.
What do you mean "answers beyond the here and now"???? PM me if you think it is too woo-woo, I'm interested.
Selma, is it possible you had latent borrelia long ago? Except for mercury poisoning, borrelia is the one other contender for creating chronic yeast problems. They then can be intractable for sure but often a hidden borrelia infection is actually the cause.
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It is Dr. K.'s firm opinion and has been for many years that the "gatekeepers", Brussels, are the toxic heavy metals. It all starts with that.
Read his article "Heavy Metals and Chronic Disease". I absolutely confirm that - my total experience falls right in line. As long as the burden of heavy metals is not reduced, at least reduced, it is very difficult to clean up the infections. It should be done concurrently.
If we cause a die-off with any of the killing meds for Lyme, automatically we also have to live with the fallout of heavy metals and fungal residue. If you don't protect yourself with enough binding agents, you are going to meet the same mercury over and over again somewhere else -- just a shifting of toxins, often followed by gut problems.
Fungi is the body's protection -- the lethal mercury would otherwise kill us. So body makes more and more fungi. But fungi also is an organism, living and dying, and we have to handle the fungi residue on top of everything else. Then you add a few infections - and you have got this most miserable disease of all - Lyme Disease.
Re Testing the here and now: As I understand it - the tensor only tells you what is happening right now. Same as any form of muscle testing: it is the present condition that is revealed. It reveals the most pressing condition - the condition the body is most concerned with at the moment of testing.
I test for a dose of a remedy. The tensor tells me - yes. I take the dose recommended. I test again an hour later: The tensor tells me - no. In other words, at this time, I have had enough. It doesn't mean my body will not want it again in another few hours or the next day.
I am still waiting for my book from Bioplasma. Will know more then.
Take care.
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Maybe the following link will describe a little more about dowsing.
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I got my books from bioplasma in English. I'm having some difficulty getting through them but will keep at it.
Again, the tensor from bioplasma is far more sensitive than the $100 model I got from Italy this summer.
I think bioplasma has changed it slightly. Mine does not have a string that both ends plug in to one end that gigi refers to.
Mine has a small cable with a small probe that you can actually put in an apple lets say, or use the loose end to touch things with.
Can't wait to take it to the supermarket and watch the looks!
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Gigi, thanks for the input on heavy metals...
There is something ELSE there though, as you explain your husband COULDN'T get his metals off after all these years of treatment, BUT only after elimination of borrelia, his metals flushed. So somehow, it was BORRELIA the gate keeper of metals, in this sense, right?
I've seen that too in my knee. Once I killed enough borrelia there, then treated a psycho blockage, well, metals poured from it in an uncontrolable way. No mobilizer was enough to move the metals out there. Since then, no more arthritis in this knee, till today.
I guess I see that with candida-fungi too, less clearly though. Waves of detoxing, but somehow, my metals are stored in the fungi and the KILLING comes sometimes FIRST. I'm to a point that I need some extra techniques to get rid of the remaining heavy metals, and normal chelators, psycho treatments are not being enough. Much like your husband, I suppose.
I just realized, for example, that Mucor racemosus blocks both energy flow and blood flow to the extremities. Treating mucor made my hands and feet get warm, things that I don't have memory since childhood. Without blood circulation, no way to get things moving, metals, or my immune cells to kill fungi. These are the only parts that test for candida.
Now that a blockage was treated through KILLING mucor, I can go next step and maybe, metals will come out from hands-feet?
Somehow, I believe on metals and toxins being responsible for my sickness, but once infections get there, the order of elimination is not NECESSRILAY metals first, then pathogen after... See what I mean?
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SIX, thanks for the tip. I'll take the few nosodes that I'm using to his practice. I start to feel some hope with the actual nosodes I'm ingesting and rubbing...
And there are MANY practioners in Switzerland with the Bionic, I got permission from at least one to use his machine the way I want! Congrats for your well being! --------------
BOB, even though I believe the biotensor is NOT muscle test, you are right, it is close to a pendulum, right?
Yes, you can certainly get more ethereal answers from a pendulum than with muscle tests, but there is still a LOT of limitation there.
You can't win a loto with a pendulum or with your biotesnor, can you?
The ultimate and most precise and subtle energetic machine is our own body-spirits. With or without expensive equipments, each of us are THE source from what these energetic tests work (or don't work!). Dr. K. always joke on the loto.
On higher and subtler levels, no machine will work. It's a matter of you and the spirit or the energy, no matter how you call it.
Anyway, the biotensor of dr. W. DOES miss borrelia in many patients, as after the 5th treatment (not testing for borrelia), patients who test negative are SUPPOSED to come back for testing months later.
The biotensor is not muscle test, but it is not as precise as reality, I mean.
By the way, I don't use much muscle tests anymore, I just use my body as whole to choose homeopathics, herbs, amount etc. My body can show me where to treat with accupuncture WITHOUT questions yes-no.
I know where each herb is acting in my body without questions yes-no. It is not magic, it is just a big short cut to these yes-no questions. I guess the biotensor could do the same, just let it move and show where each herb is acting in your body...
Have you ever experienced a massage done by someone whose hands know exactly what to do? That's how the whole body as a biotensor works! It's close to nirvana on earth! Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
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Oxy, no I don't believe I had borrelia for so long.
I was living in borrelia free country when my candida infections began (at least, I don't know anyone suffering from lyme disease in Sao Paulo)...
None of the people I ever tested there had borrelia either, nor the common set of symptoms we commonly attribute to lyme.
It may be slowly coming, but I really don't think I got borrelia for so long.
SP a big jungle of concrete and polution, my parents say that even flees don't survive there anyomore. Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
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