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I will definitely ask Dr. W. about Parkinson's Disease when I see him in 1.5 months. I was hoping GiGi might know...
My friend is very concerned for her father. She does wonder if he could have Lyme -he worked outdoors all his life, was a keen hunter etc. Of course, his neurologist never bothered to test for it.
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Ask your friend to have him energetically tested for lyme. It seems likely to be the most effective way to get the information quickly before you make your trip.
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To those wondering about replacement fillings - the material I tested the best for was something from Germany (figures ) that has glass in it!
So now I have that instead of amalgams.
Sorry, guess this doesn't have much to do with the bionic.
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I agree Zombie. I think some people have spring appointments, so not much to talk about.
I like hearing updates however.
Steel, Willow, MoJoey , Six ,Nano etc anything to report.
I keep up w/ the blogs of Mojoey,Six and betterhealthguy but would like to hear from others too.
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To Zombie - for her friend: All I can say is that every patient Dr. K. has seen over the years who came with a Parkinson diagnosis also had Lyme Disease. However, however, however: It's never just Lyme. And Dr. K. would be the first to declare that loud and clear. In his eyes, nobody has just Lyme.
The major work for anyone with Lyme and/ or Parkinsons is a general cleanup of the body, mainly teeth, dental infections, root canals, and most of all heavy metals and the deficiencies some of these cause.
Dr. Woitzel basically addresses only Borrelia. He does not address co-infections, heavy metals, etc. I don't think he is equipped for it, nor are people there long enough to do much else besides borrelia treatment. The co-infections are basically not known in Germany, or only barely known even by the Bionic therapists. He works toward clearing the Borreliosis, but the rest must be done afterward when people return home. I think, my best guess, we are dealing with different bugs here.
We just discovered via www.allergie-immun.de (click on Englisch) that my husband is and has been allergic to mercury and lead and several other very damaging heavy metals, as well as a major wheat allergy and some others. Wheat allergies can cause brain cerebral irregularities. None of these allergies can be detected via ART or similar energetic testing - Allergie-Immun is the only method that finds it and treats it in a very simple way.
If a person is allergic to a toxic metal, the body is not able to release it unless it gets the corrected information to do so. It is only so sad that so many who could help mankind remain ignorant. And worse, there are still some among us who think toxic metals don't stick and don't hurt anyone. WOW - I got news for them!
Again, I must have posted this same sentence several thousand times on this board --- IT IS NEVER Just LYME.
Right now we are treating any possible damage caused by Lyme with the Bionic with the hel of many different brain and nerve nosodes.
My husband is totally clear of any co-infections. They are all gone - gone. All viral infections are gone. Parasites are very easy to treat with the Bionic.
We are waiting for the drops from Allergie-Immun to treat the allergies, which in essence is merely supplying the body with the proper information, reacting to the good instead of the bad. I have discovered through my own testing that he was allergic to Bartonella. I treated it in a way I learned from Dr. K. and Bartonella is gone. So is Babesia. Ditto mycoplasma, Distemper. The thing we hear over and over as the auto-immun problem. Mucor I have not been able to clear and it showed up as an allergy on the Allergie-Immun test. So that problem will be corrected with simple drops imprinted with the information the body has lost. It is obviously a much deeper allergy. Plus some inherited allergies have been discovered.
The Bionic - what can I say? - I would not know what to do or how to do it without it!!! It is worth every penny spent and all the efforts and willpower it took for me to roll my husband over to Germany in the wheelchair.
More sometime later.
Take care.
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Will you have a blog to keep us up to date? Good luck in Germany.
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quote:Originally posted by zombie_mummy: This thread has gotten quiet lately...
Who is going over to Germany soon? My 1st appt. is Jan. 22 and I return home Feb. 13.
Woohoo!
I'll update my blog soon. I was in Rome for 12 days over Christmas and did great, even though I was away from my Bionic 880 .... just a minor flare coinciding with menstruation, but other than that, I could do what everyone else could do.
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It is so exciting to read about all the amazing improvements folks are experiencing from the 880. I would love to experience it myself, but it will take me time to save up for the trip.
As I read the posts and blogs of people who bought the machine, they seem to be getting better and better.
My question is this: for those who experienced the wonderful three weeks of treatment, what happens if you can't afford to buy the 880 and treat afterwards? What do you do?
Thanks in advance for any replies,
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i won't be doing a blog, though, sorry- i actually am going to avoid the computer as much as i can .
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I've been wondering how so many of you can afford to go there, buy the machine, etc. when most people are too ill to work and apparently bring in no income. It seems like many on this board have the means to try every available treatment irregardless of cost. After being off work for 2+ years, that's amazing. Must be some big piggybanks!! lol.
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Wow Six... ROme!!! That is awesome! Look at you go
I always have a flare around my cycle.. It hasn't been as bad though since starting on herbs, juicing, etc.. I am using the Lightworks right now. I know it's not the Bionic but it is all I can do right now until I can hopefully (sending out that intention) get the moola to go to Germany. I guess my biggest worry is getting the Co-infections, AND how do we REALLY know that the infection is gone??????
Peace and Happy New Year!
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but not really even getting by...germany is less risky and basically the same cost as abx/etc with my llmd...so worth a shot.
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I was a stay at home mom when I got sick, so I had no income before. Fortunately, hubby's business has been great the past couple years so I could afford treatment.
My dad actually gave me the money for Germany though. That was a little out of our reach. If he hadn't covered it, we would have taken out a second mortgage to pay for it. I knew in my heart (and from what research I could do) that it would work.
I truly feel the Lyme is gone. I have had no Lyme symptoms, the symptoms I was having in Rome were babs and when I drank tonic water, they went away.
I came home with the flu (fun on the airplane), and have had no Lyme flare. It did hit me a bit harder than everyone else, I was down three days, for everyone else, it was a 24 hour bug. But no Lyme flare.
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GiGi- Thanks for the Lyme + Parkinsons info. I have passed it on to my friend. How is your husband doing these days? Have all his "Parkinsons"-like symptoms disappeared now and is he still walking well?
Hiker53- I will try my best to set up a blog. I have trouble with my hands and typing is very hard for me but I will do my very best to update everyone. I am going over with my parents so they may be able to assist me with typing.
Seekhelp- My awesome parents are accompanying me and are paying for the whole thing. I would never be able to afford it otherwise. If I decide to buy a machine, I will be doing so with credit. I AM NOT RICH, JUST DESPERATE!!!
quote:Originally posted by nyjohn: i start treatments on jan 26th
i won't be doing a blog, though, sorry- i actually am going to avoid the computer as much as i can .
Looking forward to meeting you then, John! I will also be staying at Gaestehaus Klein in Dobel. If I do set up a blog for my trip, perhaps I can report on your progress as well?
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Well, I have been home from Germany for almost 4 months now. I am still lyme free and still do not test for co-infections but will handle whatever comes up - when and if it does.
I have had all my amalgams removed as well as 3 root canals. It has been a busy few months.
I am also on board with the allergie-immun. I have sent of my blood and am excited to receive the remedy. Thanks Gigi, another great find.
I am busy dealing with metals, yeast, parasites and who knows what else. One thing at a time. The bionic knocked out the yeast when I was in Germany but in all of my excitement of feeling good - I latched on to too much wheat. Lesson learned.
I feel well, not lymie at all and now at least know I have a path set out ahead of me. Getting rid of the lyme was huge but there is so much more to do.
My energy is not off the charts as it was when I first returned but I WAY overdid it and am trying to learn I can't make up for 8 years in a few months.
Many issues did not have the space to make themselves known until after being treated in Germany. The Bionic is a blessing and I believe the allergie-immun will be also.
I'm just taking it easy, enjoying my family and looking forward to having the next "item" leave.
Whoever mentioned the "big purse" - none here. I would have sold everything in my house and begged in the street (in hindsight) to get to Germany. If you want it badly enough, you make it happen. Yes, you do.
My trip was paid for by my loving son who was afraid he would lose his Mom but I would have gotten there somehow regardless.
I try to pick and choose wisely as I do NOT have unlimited funds. The teeth were an absolute necessity and I feel the Allergie-Immun is a wise investment as well. I could throw away enough useless supplements to equal the cost of that.
The biontensor makes it much, much easier to know what to take and when to take it.
I guess that sums up how I am doing - I was able to shovel snow for 9 hours straight a couple of weeks ago! Looks like I'll be doing more of that today.
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Toodie, take the time and make the effort to call Allergie-Immun. All info for that is on their website. I get up at 3 AM to call them to have my questions answered. I am not willing to spend all this time explaining. There is a bunch that I do not understand yet. But the results is what I care about.
For the rest of your questions, if you do a search here, you will find numerous discussions on energetic testing. This is also not something that can be explained in a few minutes.
Sorry, you will have to do some of your own homework. I would merely be repeating some of my old messages.
Take care and good luck.
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Does the Bionic also clear the Cyst/CWD forms of Lyme???
Thank you!
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The term "energetic testing" is an umbrella-like term to describe various techniques that interpret the body's various signals-muscle strength, arm and leg lengths, acupressure points and energy fields-in order to arrive at a more precise diagnosis and effective treatment. These methods have the benefit of directly testing a patient's body in present time, as opposed to attempting to interpret often days, weeks, or monthsolder radiographs and laboratory tests. "In vivo"93 energetic testing can greatly augment these static tests, as well as the standard diagnostic office procedures (a thorough history and exam), thereby helping the doctor or practitioner arrive at a more specific and personalized treatment. For example, through effective energetic testing measurements, it can be determined exactly which nutritional supplements a patient needs-in what particular form and which brand, how many per day, what time of day (breakfast, lunch, dinner or between meals) and for how long. In other cases, energetic testing can help in determining important dental referrals-when it's appropriate to remove mercury amalgam fillings, whether to replace a suspected toxic crown and when to suggest the need for cavitation surgery.
93 As opposed to in vitro at means "within a glass or observable in a test tube," in vivo means "within the living body."
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I'll update my blog soon. I was in Rome for 12 days over Christmas and did great, even though I was away from my Bionic 880 .... just a minor flare coinciding with menstruation, but other than that, I could do what everyone else could do. /QUOTE]
How is your daughter doing, has she responded well to you treating her with the Bionic 880?
quote:Originally posted by zombie_mummy: This thread has gotten quiet lately...
Who is going over to Germany soon? My 1st appt. is Jan. 22 and I return home Feb. 13.
Woohoo!
I'll update my blog soon. I was in Rome for 12 days over Christmas and did great, even though I was away from my Bionic 880 .... just a minor flare coinciding with menstruation, but other than that, I could do what everyone else could do.
Wow! Rome for 12 days and you felt great! That's a great Christmas present.
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Zombie, she's doing well, but is not very good at making the time to treat twice per week. I'm going to be sure that she is more devoted to the treatments.
My other daughter has seen benefits from it. She had gotten rather sulky and just didn't look like she felt good. She's back to her old self again.
Thanks Pab. It was a great time and great to be able to keep up with everyone with no pain. The flu did hit our group, so I'm suffering with that now, but it was good to feel normal. Hopefully in a few days I'll feel that way again.
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That's great to hear, Six. I am curious because, if I do bring a machine home, I would want to use it on my husband and kids. Nobody else in my family is sick with Lyme -yet- but I do worry all the time, that I passed it to my children in utero or via breastfeeding.
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Posting again for hope of a reply. No replies from Bionic 880 users on my last post.
I'm working on saving enough for Germany.
Has everyone who has gone over purchased the Bionic 880?
For those who haven't bought one, what are you doing to treat the rest of the co's, etc.?
(Sorry if the answer to this is buried within the last 24 pages.... my brain foggy reading and vision aren't what they used to be!)
thanks in advance for answers,
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Zombie, I had suspected Lyme in my youngest daughter and she has had improvement. My Lymie daughter (the diagnosed one) was considered in remission, but she has seen improvement in her headaches. I think it's worthwhile for the reasons you give. My hubby has more energy and he never showed any Lyme symptoms.
Wiserforit, I believe everyone who has gone at least has access to a machine.
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Zombie, I had suspected Lyme in my youngest daughter and she has had improvement. My Lymie daughter (the diagnosed one) was considered in remission, but she has seen improvement in her headaches. I think it's worthwhile for the reasons you give. My hubby has more energy and he never showed any Lyme symptoms.
Wiserforit, I believe everyone who has gone at least has access to a machine.
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If you go, you almost certainly need to bring back a machine. The short 3 week treatment there is not enough to make a lasting difference and only enough to hit Borrelia and none of the other likely dozen or more key infections that are part of our total body burden.
It is really just the starting point.
The machine runs about 5800 EUR + 19% VAT tax which you can get refunded with proper proof of export at a later time.
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You mentioned knowing of another person that sees your LLND going to Germany.
Has that person seen Dr W yet and does your LLND still see this as a therapy He/She will look into further?
Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: The machine runs about 5800 EUR + 19% VAT tax which you can get refunded with proper proof of export at a later time.
Yeah, that didn't happen for me. I got proper proof and mailed it at the airport. DON'T do that. I know two of us this happened to.
Now I can drive to Chicago (five hour drive), get it stamped (maybe) at the German embassy, then try again.
Whatever you do, don't mail it at the airport.
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So where exactly does one go at the Stuggart airport or elsewhere to get their tax money back? After reading the blogs I am still confused exactly where to go and I'm sure people are rushed when they get to the airport.
How much time,Sixgoofy, did you allow from the Kleins until your flight left? Thanks. Hiker53
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ctlyme, the other person who sees the same LLND that I did is leaving for Germany very soon - a week or so I think.
I don't know if he still has any interest in this. Maybe when his next patient returns.
When I saw him shortly after I returned from Germany he seemed a little excited about my results and skeptical at the same time. Pretty normal I guess.
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zombie of course you can post my progress on your blog--- see you there!
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Hiker, We had our "letter", which the manufacturer supplied us, stamped by Customs at the Stuttgart Airport. If you depart from Frankfurt, you can do it there also. We mailed it in the envelope provided by the manufacturer and put it in the German Postal mailbox at the Stuttgart airport. We had no problem at all. "Information" booth will tell you where the Customs Office is and where the mailbox for the German Post Office is.
If you depart early in the morning, check with the Customs office to see if they are open that early. We stayed one night near the airport because we had an early morning flight and I had to deal with a wheelchair and luggage at the same time.
The VAT tax has to be paid on any item that is sold in Germany, that is the law, unless you file this excemption. Am not sure that the Company still does it this way because some people did not return the stamped form. You may want to call or e-mail the manufacturer before you leave for Germany to find out exactly how they do it now. It's worth it = the VAT is 20%.
Take care.
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I did exactly the same as GiGi, so did Willow, and neither of us got the money back.
Hiker, the Kleins say it's easier to fly into Frankfurt and take the fast train to Karlsruhe. If you go to Stuttgart, you take four trains, which we found difficult since none of us spoke German and since we had to take all our luggage.
The Kleins arranged for transport for us back to the airport (we hired a driver). I don't remember how early we left, but I do remember the driver told us how early we needed to leave.
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Our invoice for the Bionic880 did not include the VAT, because we promised to and sent the excemption form at the Stuttgart Airport as instructed by the manufacturer.
That is why we did not expect a refund.
These instruments when sold to German or EU nationals must include the VAT. It is the law. The manufacturer has to pay it to the Government.
This same instruments costs some 7000plus Euros when sold to a German resident or EU people. Foreigners do not have to pay VAT, but if you did not return the form that the manufacturer provided you for the purpose of getting it stamped at the point of exit when you leave the country, he has to pay the VAT, and you cannot expect a refund.
We paid 6400 Euros, returned the stamped form to the manufacturer when we left from Stuttgart, mailing it in the envelope provided in the German Post Office mailbox at the airport. It wasn't easy because I had to deal with a wheelchair and a husband and luggage.
The Customs Office location and mailbox location can easily be found by asking at the "Information" desk at any airport.
Got to run.
P.S. I have taken the train from Stuttgart Airport to downtown Stuttgart many times. it is one train that runs every 15-20 minutes directly into the main Railway Station downtown Stuttgart.
There you get the direct train to Pforzheim. It is one train only that runs almost every hour. ou can easily get train schedules by googling the German Railways or Deutsche Bundesbahn train schedules. It pays to learn to read a few basic German words. It is no surprise that most Europeans forgot their English while Bush was in office! That was very obvious to me when we were there last.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: but if you did not return the form that the manufacturer provided you for the purpose of getting it stamped at the point of exit when you leave the country, he has to pay the VAT, and you cannot expect a refund.
Because one person did not mail back the form, now the company charges everyone the VAT tax, then when the person sends the form back to the company in the provided envelope they will send the refund.
Two of us, separately from each other, got the form stamped, put it in the mailbox at the airport, and the company said they never received it.
BTW, I spent HOURS listening to German tapes, I knew a few words. For those of you going, if you do speak another language, when you come across someone who doesn't speak English, ask them if they speak the other language you do ... Spanish came in handy for me more than once.
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I just called and confirmed my appointment for next Thursday. I'm getting really excited/anxious!
I have a question for those who have stayed at the Klein's guesthouse: How are the kitchen facilities? Do they supply most things one would need to prepare meals? Does each unit have a fridge? I'm on a limited diet and will probably need to prepare all my food at the guesthouse.
I'm going to be in apt. 6 (ground floor). Have any of you who have already been to Germany had that apt?
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zombie-- i am so excited for you!! WIsh I was going with you.... Best wishes and healing to you!
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Zombie, everything you need to cook a meal is in that apartment. We lived in No. 6, cooked, baked, lived, loved, and slept in that apartment, and had a good time.
Take care.
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And thank you, GiGi, for letting me know about your good experience in apt. 6! That is very reassuring. It certainly looks lovely in the photos on the website.
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Thanks, Six. What about refrigerators/mini-fridges? Does each apt. have one? I just don't see any in the website pictures...
I currently cannot tolerate any grains at all, in addition to soy, potatoes, lactose and most sugars. I'm afraid I won't be able to sample the local cuisine like many of the others who have gone over for treatment. That's why it is very important to me to have a good kitchen!
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I'm going with my parents so I'll be enjoying the local cuisine vicariously through them... I know they are looking forward to sampling the lovely German beer, wine and pastries!
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I'm new and been reading up on the Bionic and plan on going myself soon. Good luck Zombie. I'll look forward to reading your blog.
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Good luck Zombie - I have a friend staying at the Klein's now and sure you will meet her.
The apartments are great, as are the Kleins and Dobel.
Get out and see some sights when you are up for it. There are some magical towns.
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Thanks everybody. I can't believe I'll be leaving in 4 days. Everything is coming together: I just got a copy of my labs etc. from my LLMD. I'll be giving him an update when I get back.
I'm going to be using a wheelchair while I'm there (I'm only able to walk very short distances before my legs get shaky and I nearly keel over from exhaustion) so any tips on that would be helpful.
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