Thank you so much for your prompt response. What you said is very confidence inspiring -- that Dr. W's patients had the nosode with the European strain of Borrelia and they didn't acquire the strain from it. For me, the more realistic concern would be my previously diagnosed Babesia is actually sitting dormant, which would be "waken up" by the Bionic 880 with these nosodes. That's ok though; I was expecting herx and I'll just try harder with my detox.
In terms of the power level, you advised on my blog that Dr. W. suggested a power level of 25% at the beginning for people without the benefits of the detox IV. How is your daughter doing with that protocol? Did she achieve remission in 6 sessions, or it took longer?
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We all knew going into it that we had to treat coinfections later, that they weren't treated in Germany.
I just found out today that you were making a commission on Bionic 880's from the manufacturer without the knowledge of Dr W ..... I wonder what your financial relationship is to AI. Could your no longer making a commission be affecting your posts here?
I don't have a problem with commissions ... my husband is a salesman ... however, he doesn't go in to make a sale and act like he's not making money.
Dr. W has been a HUGE help and I am almost completely well. For no charge he still answers my emails regarding my treatment. I think that after this round I will no longer have any symptoms as they are clearing up after my third treatment with blood as a nosode. I have not had a flare in two months.
I am grateful for the recommendation from you to Dr. W and the Bionic 880. I just think it's relevant that you made a commission.
I debated with myself whether to post this info or not. I decided to because the Bionic 880 is a GREAT treatment and Dr. W is a huge help and has not misrepresented the treatment at all. He does not claim it to be a miracle or to get rid of all problems in three week's time. I think this is very relevant to people trying to decide to go. I think this information also explains your change of heart regarding the Bionic 880.
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Glad you got the Borrelia behind you and made it back safely, Zombie.
As Scott said, free from Borrelia does not mean we are "free from Lyme" and unless anyone has no co-infections, that statement by the doctor is incorrect. I have told him so once I realized. Sadly, the co-infections are not treated by Dr. W. and I have yet to understand why. We have had to do a lot of treatments after getting home following the treatments in Germany and we are not quite home-free yet doing the Allergie Immun treatments.
As I have mentioned here before and on other threads, I was misinformed by the doctor early last year before we travelled overthere when he told and wrote me that the Bionic880 photons also "take all co-infections out" and also "take the heavy metals out". As it turns out, all of these infections, as well as others and any possible heavy metals need to be treated separately afterward.
We are now working with AI on repairing the damage done to gut (leaky gut) and to nerves, if any, and I pray that we will be successful.
Co-infections are not as common in Germany as they are here, but I now get advice from a couple of naturopaths there for our own treatments at least one of whom also will be treating co-infections once she has the proper nosodes. She happens to be the therapist who recommends to her clients to do the Allergie Immun test/therapy first because it clears out many problems and makes any other treatments easier. She tells me that this makes the overall treatments very successful.
Just want to make it clear that "free of Lyme" for most people with co-infections is not the correct statement. Free of Borrelia, that is a yes.
Take care.
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My impression has never been that Gigi had a change of heart about the Bionic, only that she, along with all of us, realized that the Bionic treats one thing at a time. I agree with this particular shift in opinion, and yet that doesn't reduce the effectiveness of the Bionic in my mind.
Time will tell whether the AI becomes the preferred first line of treatment. According to energetic testing both done by me and my practitioners, that seems to be the case so far and my second round of drops has caused an even bigger reaction than the first round.
I remain optimistic about this therapy.
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I don't think using salespeople has any bad reflection at all on a company or the quality of their product. As I mentioned, sales puts the food on my table.
I just think full disclosure is needed. A sales pitch is quite different from a testimonial.
We all knew before that the Bionic was not going to treat coinfections. And I know you particularly have had AMAZING results from the AI drops.
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If there is any disclosure to be made, i believe gigi will address appropriately. I think we should refrain from jumping to any conclusions until that time.
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quote:Originally posted by m0joey: If there is any disclosure to be made, i believe gigi will address appropriately. I think we should refrain from jumping to any conclusions until that time.
Good point.
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Wow. I seem to remember that I had been accused of all this in the middle of last year when I first got excited about the Bionic. I told you then in one of these threads that certainly, if I were to receive an offer that was worth my while I would consider it, that I would tell about it here and that I would then stop posting on Lymenet. I would like to assure you that such an offer has never materialized, and would also like to tell you that I have never been financially rewarded by any other source about whom I posted, be it Dr. K., the Gaestehaus, the local Dobel grocer, the Aldi, nor the German car rental; Nor do I get paid by AI or any practitioner from whom I gain information. It is the opposite, I pay for the time any practitioner give me when I ask their advice as a patient would. Much of this advice has been passed on to everyone on this board who cares to have it.
But this is a splendid opportunity for me to kill my ``addiction to Lymenet in order to help people'' (as my husband calls it), and I will therefore no longer post on this site.
Good luck and may you all be well.
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Why not a simple reply without defensiveness? 99% of posters here thank you for your help. Someone comes up with something and you can't just give an honest legitimate reply w/o blowing up and saying you're gone forever and tough break everyone? That doesn't sound like a mission to help people. It sounds like you're letting your ego get hurt honestly.
If's it not true, well it's not true. We never were told how the poster discovered the commission issue. No questions about that? I'd sure want to know. If the statement is true, well, that'a different story and anyone has a right to be very upset as it just wouldn't ethically be right. There are many sick people desperate for help. Even if it's the greatest cure since sliced bread, patients have a right to know who is getting compensated behind the scenes. Why do you think the ISDA issues / conflict of interest issues remain?
Lastly, I thought your husband was quite ill. Wouldn't he benefit from knowledge others here share too? THere's power in numbers. Why blow that?
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GiGi has received a lot of flack and personal attacks on this site over the years so i understand her position of defensiveness. i've no idea of the truth surrounding these accusations but i have known GiGi through lymenet, personal email, and even over the phone for four years and have always thought her to be a person of great integrity. this just doesn't make sense to me and the whole situation saddens me greatly. i dearly hope GiGi reconsiders and returns to lymenet, as i think she's an invaluable asset to the site and the community here.
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I agree with Heiwalove, thanks H. well put. Gigi please reconsider your position.
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Well I hate to say it but this makes sense. Gigi went from *so* high on the Bionic as the absolute cure, to utter silence about it, and then began posting about AI and doing that instead.
I understand this was from a personal communication with Dr. W----I would guess it's true.
Moreover, Gigi doesn't actually deny it. " I would like to assure you that such an offer has never materialized, and would also like to tell you "
Perhaps this is carefully worded language. "I would like to assure you...and would also like to tell you..." is simply stating a wish.
It is not actually a denial.
Which does not mean that Bionic doesn't work. But I think trying Lightworks or PE1 which Selma has had success with may be a more financially feasible idea.
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I CAN assure you the Bionic does work.
I am grateful to have found out about it from GiGi ..... I really, truly am. I am almost 100% better.
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Ditto - it works as does Allergie-Immun. I could leave no stone unturned in terms of getting rid of lyme and then addressing how I could have gotten so ill in the first place.
I am grateful to Gigi for sharing about both of these things.
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I am amazed at how quickly people are to judge. GiGi has been nothing but wonderful to people here in sharing information freely for years.
I agree with heiwalove - GiGi has more integrity than most people I have ever met. Even if she did receive some commission, what difference would it make. She went to Germany and spent a lot of money to treat herself and her husband and then shared the tool with dozens in the US.
If she got some benefit from that, I personally do not care. As one of the people that did go to Germany for the treatment, I am still pleased that I went and that has not changed.
I think people would be better spending their energies to focus on getting well than to attempt to attack someone with limited to no information on what may be the reality here.
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I agree that GiGi has been a great help. Even though I only joined LymeNet days ago, but I have ready through the entire 12 pages of this thread and my conclusion is that GiGi is a wonderful lady who has a huge heart to help others. If GiGi decides to leave this board, it will be a huge loss to all of us.
I really hope GiGi would not leave due to the comments of a few that are not even close to representing the sentiment of the group.
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I dont think people are wanting to attack. I think they are confused. I'm sorry for all of this. I know it hurts Gigi and I know people are so frightened. I think we can have some compassion for all of us. I dont know how the thread started or why.. I do know it is not healthy to not be able to question when you have concerns. I also know when someone puts themselves out to help others, that it hurts to feel attacked. I dont think anyone intends that either. I think its concern and miscommunication.
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Scott,
It's not an issue of effectiveness or not or the person's character or not. You're missing the point.
It's an issue of people perhaps giving up their life savings to go to Germany based on feedback from a well-respected person. Knowing if the person is compensated for the sale of equipment is a factor in anyone's decision. Keep in mind, one factor. It's not being judgmental, it's wanting facts and disclosure.
If I went there and cured myself, I would be nothing but grateful. Sixgoofykids never once said the treatment didn't work. It's an ethical point she's making. I agree the story does need to be told by all sides. We're not talking pocket change here - $10,000+ for a trip! Let's be real.
It seems impossible the original poster would want to do something bad when she has done nothing but praise the treatment and the person for recommending.
The apparent dramatic change in recommendation of the Bionic 880 to hardly mentioning it is impossible not to miss. Now it could be the other option is so so much better that it's the correct choice after new opportunities were discovered. Things change and we understand that. Today's miracle or best treatment protocol fortunately is not static.
I'm not on a sales site Scott. I'm here to learn more about health and get others' opinions and help however I can when able. I expect the same from others here. Is this attitude so wrong?
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I agree with SForsgren: " Even if she did receive some commission, what difference would it make. She went to Germany and spent a lot of money to treat herself and her husband and then shared the tool with dozens in the US.
If she got some benefit from that, I personally do not care."
Yes NANADUDO , I am grateful too that GIGI has shared this information with us and I respect her for that and still will in the future.
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Didnt read all of this. But hey if she is making a little money then trying things like AI because she has a bit of extra money I personally think thats great.
AI is now helping people..Thats pretty good if u ask me
She is one smart women. SHe post some of the most detailed post you will ever see...
Thanks for all you have done and continue to do Gigi
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quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: If I went there and cured myself, I would be nothing but grateful. Sixgoofykids never once said the treatment didn't work. It's an ethical point she's making.
Thank you. I mean no malice.
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I won't comment anymore on this thread. My point is I respect her advice, I'd be happy to even pay for services to a person who educated theirselves immensely to try to get well, etc. It's nothing personal. It's not a character attack in any way. My ONLY concern is ANYONE getting revenue from services they recommend to another and the second party being oblivious to this aspect. If I think my doc is getting kickbacks from a drug company, it bothers me. I'm not stupid - yes I know they do. Same idea.
Everyone's got their own opinions, ideas, morals, etc. I respect that too. I wish everyone the best.
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With the amount of money that she and her husband spent, they would never come close to making anything near that even if they did get some compensation. So that clearly is not a good business arrangement and certainly not one that in my opinion would color her recommendations.
I have benefited from the photon therapy in my opinion and in that of my practitioners. If I felt that what was being discussed might not be useful and was only suggested to make money, that is a different issue.
I still use the device. I still feel it provided good benefit. Though it has not solved all problems, I am still using it and still expect to see improvements. Being off antibiotics for 5 months now is alone a miracle to me and no setbacks thus far....only progress.
Does anyone here KNOW that GiGi was compensated? I am not jumping to conclusions.
If GiGi were making money from the sales of the device and not disclosing that while all the time still promoting it here on Lymenet, I agree that would be an inappropriate thing to do. Even in that event, I still appreciate what I learned from her and many people I believe would agree.
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: Does anyone here KNOW that GiGi was compensated? I am not jumping to conclusions.
I guess it's Dr. W's word against hers.
I'm not going to give any more information about the email from Dr. W here ... my intent is not character assassination, rather to let people know it looks like money is involved.
And to let them know Dr. W is a GREAT doctor who developed this treatment. He is a help even after leaving Germany and truly cares about his patients. No one ever said everything would be healed in 3 weeks, that's why we all brought the machine back.
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Well, my character was assassinated by GiGi on more occasion than one for trying to look into alternatives to spending $10,000 or more on this therapy...
She ridiculed me & said very offensive things to me. I really couldn't understand it. We're all here to try to get well, right?
I don't wish anyone any harm. It just made no sense to me why she would cut into me so severely for looking info less expensive ways to get similar results.
Now it all makes sense.
She maybe "shared" all of her wealth of knowledge - but it was for an agenda. I read many of her posts & learned things but she's not a doctor.
Her experience was maybe good for her. There are no blanket cures for Lyme. Not everyone has to deal with the same issues or has the same genetics.
So, if Dr. K or Dr. W came up with a protocol for her, it wouldn't necessarily be suitable for others. GiGi may be an authority figure for herself but not for everyone. She set herself up as that here & people believed in her.
Seems like it may have been a front... I don't have any problem with people selling things & making a living. This is not the place for it.
If Dr. W is saying that she made a commission from the Bionic 880 company, it's pretty serious. He's a doctor with a reputation to consider.
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I think this is pretty serious myself... I don't understand why people are making light of this situation?
Don't you see... Some are not very lucky to go to Germany, we do not have the money or resources yet it was made to sound like our miracle cure and if we couldn't get it then TOO bad for us.
I have gone out of my mind trying to find ways to get to Germany because I felt it was now my ONLY way out of this hell. I felt terrible because I was not the lucky one to be able to go.
Then all of a sudden the bionic was not useful anymore and you HAD to have the AI treatment... C'mon people.
Dr. W was made to sound like a god and now he is being made to look like the liar... but WHO is the liar?
This is NOT about someone sharing information.. this is about someone getting kickbacks from sick and desperate people for a treatment that may very well not work for most. Yet it is put out there that it IS the answer, the 3 week cure... I think THAT is serious.
I am sure now everyone will dog on me, and thats fine... I am just stating my opinion,... one that I have been to scared to voice for fear of being outcast.
Yes gigi does have some great information, and it seems she spends a lot of energy on her posts... but with this new information it is hard not to think that all of it was for $$.
It is obvious to me that bionic helps people... but the truth should have been stated from the very beginning... now how do we know that this wasn't started to make money in the first place? we are a pretty big venue.
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I appreciate sixgoofy looking out for everyone here. She has always had positive things to say about Gigi and continues to even on this page.
Sorry Sparkle but it is not a front. You can read on this page and in the past how many of us benefited and are close to or completely well from being in his care.
As Scott said - "If GiGi were making money from the sales of the device and not disclosing that while all the time still promoting it here on Lymenet, I agree that would be an inappropriate thing to do. Even in that event, I still appreciate what I learned from her and many people I believe would agree".
I believe that is all sixgoofy was saying.
I have spent countless hours on the phone with Gigi and regardless of what some may think, she does truly care about the people here.
She has gained a lot of knowledge over the years and shared it with us.
So yes, Sixgoofy and Scott are correct, disclosure would be appropriate and still, I am grateful to her.
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Please do not jump to conclusions too quickly. I posted something about photon treatment on a forum in europe, and someone answered and warned everyone that the bionic was scam and scott was a well-known swindler and that he is behind the biophoton scam.....(with links to a thread about scott on LNE, and that LN USA is absolutely full of marketing scams or something like that, and wondering what commissions Tincup is getting from the marketing scams....)
Now I did not believe any of that, as I had followed this forum for a long time, and some of those that went , for quite some time before. On LNE there are whole threads about gigi and scott and bionic being a fraud and that looking at lyme i na microscope is a fraud (the story about the Bradford microscope) Note that on most lyme forums in Europe, it is not allowed to post about almost anything alternative, there is only one or two forums where they don't throw rocks at you. Antibiotics only. Please do not jump to any conclusions, since there is so much nonsense floating around on the net. In my country it is a crime to call others for swindlers without them having been actually convicted. My interests in alternative treatments: I am getting some treatments, and find them useful.
Added: I totally believe in Scott and Gigi, and everyone who went to Germany and posted. I feel sad that others attack them, and frighten others from trying alternative or wholistic treatments. But there is so much negativity (especially about Gigi and Scott, for some reason) floating around on european forums that some misinformation is bound to reach even Dr. W. I think. Just thinking.
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Thank you Nana. Even if I had known, I STILL would have gone and bought a machine. I am grateful, very grateful, to have had this treatment. I never in my wildest dreams thought I would get to this level of functionality ever again without some kind of maintenance abx.
I don't think GiGi ever had anything but good intentions. I truly believe that. My husband is in sales, and he only represents products he believes in. He won't sell something he thinks is an inferior product. So, I have no question that GiGi just had people's health in mind.
Thank you Nana, you have summed up my thoughts exactly. Obviously, those of us who have gone, who are upset about the email we received, are STILL grateful and STILL praising the treatment and thanking the source.
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quote:Originally posted by n.northernlights: scott was a well-known swindler adn that he is behind the biophoton scam.....
I can vouch for Scott. He is a GREAT guy, a GREAT friend, and NOT a swindler. He has tried many, many different treatments, chronicled them, just with the intent to share with us. He discloses when he is making a profit (you can confirm this by going to his website).
I can say first hand that in the Lyme community it is difficult to share when you try things outside the ILADS norms .... and Scott has bravely shared in order to help others ... and has been attacked for it.
I understand your post was not saying he was ..... but this type of thing has been said here at times as well, so I wanted to stand up for him.
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Going to Germany cost me about $15,000 and I have no affiliation with Dr. W or any profit made from the Bionic.
All in all, my trip was productive and I am still to this day glad that I went.
The greatest part of it is being off of all RX antimicrobials now for 5 months! I never thought that would happen. I am not 100% symptom free, but I am doing quite well.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to say, and I know for a fact he has not made money of the Bionic! That was the main point of my last post!
I'm down to ONE symptom ... two if you count that I'm not yet weaned off Ambien completely and haven't balanced my thyroid yet, which might be contributing to not being off Ambien yet.
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Just wanted to mention to light users:
I've been using Systemic Drainage from Desbio along with nosodes, and I'm really happy with it.
I put it in a clear vial, and use it next to the nosode. It really keeps the lymph drained, and herx away.
TMI allert, I notice good drainage by the quality and certain chemical odor with a good movement.
The only problem is that this remedy keeps me drinking and peeing all night sometimes right after I use it.
I hope this info may help somebody.
I'm sure there are lots of good products out there. I got the catalog and test kit from this company, and have studied it like my life depends on it (because I think it does.) So this is the one I know well and can talk about.
Interesting to note, the new medical director of this company used to be the director for HEEL.
I also want to note, I find that the Lightworks does work wonders when used with nosodes, but the amount of time, study, knowledge and experience it has taken me to make this work well is beyond significant.
I am getting well on a deep level with it, but I am studying practicing, dousing, experimenting no less than two hours a day, along with many years experience behind me.
If you have the money to go to Germany, I still recommend it. Nothing beats going to an experienced trained professional, and equipment that has stood the test of time with this protocol. If not, the do-it-yourself approach may be worth a try.
I am so happy for those of you who are getting better!! Here's to a lyme-free future.
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Bejoy, do you think using blood would accomplish this drainage? I am treating with blood right now. I accidently used 100% power the second time I used it and it made me loopy for a few hours, BUT it's really diminishing my last remaining symptom.
I get a massage from a guy who knows lymphatic drainage techniques. I used to feel horrible the rest of the day starting a couple hours after the massage, but last time I did not.
I don't herx from the Bionic anymore .... so, I am wondering if you think those would be a help to me or not. Thanks for your input.
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I can also vouch for gigi and scott. Both of them have been immensely helpful, even with things that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Bionic and AI.
I understand what immediately comes to mind when we hear the word "commission." We think of the corrupt doctors aligned with big pharma, the snake oil salesmen, MLM companies etc. But I think we should have some common sense about all of this:
The point of contention isn't her jumping off the Bionic bandwagon. The only change of opinion she had was about whether the bionic treats all co-infections and metals. Paul, you're right, Gigi is one smart woman, but she'd have to be an outright fool to make the claim that the Bionic treats co-infections & metals without having a reason to say so. Esp in light of the fact that all of us would soon be going to Germany and prove or disprove veracity of what she said. To me, the likely explanation is miscommunication--not saying it was Dr. W or anyone else in particular that was responsible. After all, we must've expected there to be much trial and error along the way with such a novel treatment. As we go along and more patients get the treatment, we narrow down the realities of what this machine can do.
To construe Gigi no longer posting on the Bionic thread as her saying it doesn't work is just puzzling to me. She seem to have posted more than anyone else about most things on this forum, and I think we all take for granted just how much time and energy it takes to keep it up continuously. We all come and go, but now we're using this "commission" accusation to explain her ... not posting as much as usual?
From all the non-Bionic related help that gigi has given me since I first joined lymenet a short time ago, I cannot possibly imagine that someone with her generous and compassionate spirit could knowingly overhype the Bionic's efficacy by that much and ever live it down. That of course, is just my opinion.
All I have to say is I feel 10x better now than before I left for Germany. What gigi has said about the AI being more important than the Bionic has corresponded to energetic testing I have both done myself and received. Compared to the thousands I was spending on supplements with no apparent gain before, I can say with 20/20 hindsight that buying the machine was worth every penny. The AI is doing a number on my body now, and the 400 euros for the entire treatment from beg to end is a relative drop in the bucket if the changes keep coming at this pace for me.
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Hi bejoy, do you know for a fact that it is necessary to transfer the Desbio nosodes from their brown vials to clear ones in order for the Bionic treatments to be effective?
So were you saying you put both the drainage nosodes and the borrelia nosodes together on your solar plexus for the Bionic treatments?
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I did not transfer mine to a clear vial. I still felt they worked and so did my daughter. If the light were shining through the vials, I would think it's necessary. When energetic testing, things are left in the containers .... since the energetic information is what we are getting from the vials, I figured it didn't matter if it was clear or brown glass.
I don't know for sure, but that's my take on it. I have seen improvement from the brown vials.
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Lymic,
In my experience it does make a difference to use a clear vial rather than brown glass.
Yes, currently I put it in a glass vial on the solar plexus next to the nosode. Others note that different things work for them with homeopathics.
I have also found that it works for me to take the substance directly under the tongue rather than putting it in the vial.
Muscle testing, dousing, or biotensor could help you answer this question for yourself, or you could just try it and see what works.
Six,
I think blood can do lots of things. Usually I can't use even urine in a vial as a nosode, myself. It still contains too much information for me. I have not tried blood yet for this reason.
I'm still treating myself for low levels of Borrellia Garinii, Babesia Microti, Mycobacterium TB, and assorted fungals. I'm feeling better than ever, but know their still in there, and I'm not going to let them get the best of me again!
It is possible that blood may help with drainage. I do not know.
I like the systemic drainage product because it targets drainage of all the organs specifically, without overloading the system with information about allergies, pathogens, hormones, etc, etc, as an autonosode might do.
So, if what you want is specifically drainage, I'd go for a drainage remedy.
DB also has a lymph drainage that I like, but I like Systemic better.
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bejoy
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Six, simultaneous posting...
I have used brown bottles and found they worked. I just find that clear usually tests as better. In the end, if something works for you, it works!
I think Ergopathics.com sells emptly clear vials, for those who want them.
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"No one ever said everything would be healed in 3 weeks, that's why we all brought the machine back."
Yes but here is my problem. How can people use the Bionic as effectively here in the US without doing the same treatment that DR. W does?? Which is live vials of lyme??? Is there something I'm missing here? Isn't that the best way to assure that lyme is erradicated from ones body??
Thanks, JL
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Hi Six and Bejoy, thank you for your input on the issue on brown/clear vials.
The reason I asked is because, the clear vials I got are the ones that doctors use for injections. As such, they're quite a bit "fatter" than the brown ones that came from Desbio. When I put the clear vials on my solar plexus, they pretty much formed a belt going from below my left chest to below my right chest. I don't know if that would be the idea setup. The brown vials in comparison are much skinnier, so they could all be placed relatively close to the center of my body.
I would appreciate your thoughts on that. Thank you.
quote:Originally posted by jl123: Yes but here is my problem. How can people use the Bionic as effectively here in the US without doing the same treatment that DR. W does?? Which is live vials of lyme??? Is there something I'm missing here? Isn't that the best way to assure that lyme is erradicated from ones body??
Having been through the treatment myself, I feel fairly certain that it could be replicated here in N. America with the right doctor. An integrative LLMD who is local to me is VERY interested in photon therapy. He already does energetic testing, ozone blood therapy, nutritional IVs...
Nosodes are readily available here for Bb and co. Once the bacterial load has been lowered using nosodes, saliva, urine and blood can then be used to take care of the rest. It will just take a bit longer to treat without the live Bb agent.
IF you can find a practitioner to do the supportive therapies (ie. ozone), it SHOULD be possible to have the therapy here IMHO.
even if you use the live vials, that is no guarantee that the lyme will be eradicated. Lyme stays with us forever. What enables it to return is dysregulation in our bodies, dysfunctional immune systems etc. I used the live vials at Dr. W's, and I have reason to believe I still have lyme, albeit heavily reduced from before.
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I agree with you that it stays. But let us not forget that that WAS the method that eradicated the most lyme from you. I think it could only help you more by eventually (between what-ever other treatments- AI, you are doing) going back to that method. And surly there has to be a way to get live vials. Use what works best, and if DR. W says that is what works best then??? JL
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I don't think that "eradicated" was used. For me he said "you have lost your lyme". Even Dr. W says it is likely a mix of the immune system getting rid of bugs and us being able to no longer have the remaining bugs cause damage to our bodies. I am not sure that it can be fully "eradicated". It can be "addressed".
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As far as live borrelia goes, I wonder if energetically it might be the same as a mother tincture:
"For example, when making a homeopathic remedy which is of plant or animal nature the extract--which is a soluble substances--is dissolved in a mixture of alcohol and water (approximately ninety percent pure alcohol and ten percent distilled water (the ratio can vary).
Then this mixture is set aside for two to four weeks. It is periodically shaken and then is press strained once it has cured. This yields a remedy referred to as a "mother tincture."
The mother tincture is diluted to produce different remedy potencies. To do this you use one of two scales: the decimal (x) and the centesimal (c). And an alcohol/water mixture is used for dilution in various stages.
Between each of the stages of dilution, the diluted tincture is succussed (shaken vigorously). Also, the decimal scale dilution factor is 1:10 and in the centesimal it is 1:100."
I don't know if a nosode made directly from the pathogen is "better" or more effective than one computer generated. I would think it would be, but then again, when I recieve an email that has been forwarded a thousand times, the information is still the same. Hard to say.
I have used remedies produced the conventional way from the original substance, and those made from a computer generated vial.
Specifically, I have made a potentised treatment series from the Ergopathics testers "mother tincture strength" for Borrelia Garinii, since I have not found a series made from the actual pathogen.
The DB series I have used is very good, but doesn't have this strain of Borrelia, and apparently didn't clear it. (I beleive I had at least two strains of lyme borrelia to start out.)
My point is, you may be able to get what you are looking for energetically in a live vial by ordering a mother tincture or a tester vial from someplace. Could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.
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