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Thanks Joey, I will bookmark your blog. Have a safe trip, I wish I were going with you! I'm so excited for you and hope (like the others who have gone before you) that you get well with Dr. W and staff.
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I hope you have an awesome trip, Joey! I'll be reading your blog for updates.
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Stupid question about how the bionic 880 works-
It's supposed to help damaged cells repair themselves, right? That sounds cool but...
...does it kill pathogens? Is it really killing Lyme and co?
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Have a safe and wonderful trip! My best wishes for great healing and rest (and a little exploring the countryside too...of course, with your pants tucked in your socks )
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JamieL, no question is ever stupid.
The light photons from the Bionic are absorbed, they multiply and distribute themselves - anarchistically - without any certain pattern - in the body. They know where to go. Via the nerve branches of the nervous system they arrive in the brain. Here they have a regulating effect on the production of our hormones, such as endorphines and cortisol.
By going this route, the photon therapy has a positive influence on our three central control systems: the nervous system, the hormonal system and the immune system. These systems start going back into full action again. Combining the photons with the frequencies put out by the nosodes, the borrelia and their relatives are being eradicated. It is so simple and so phenomenal. It's easy science for me.
Cells without light are dead cells. Some of our cells are filled with toxins and pathogens and have little, if any, light left. Toxins stays in - nutrients stay out. The photons restore them. We cannot live without light.
Normally we take in photons through sunlight and through our food. But our modern eating habits, the way food is grown, and the environments we live in changed all that.
We are loaded with environmental toxins, gases, metals, artificial light, carbon dioxyde, mercury -- all have an ongoing negative effect on us. We add physical and emotional stress, addictions, social and professional burden, childhood trauma, present conflict and crisis situations. And we live in a society that makes high demands on us - higher, faster, further........
Lack of photons easily manifests in our body as different diseases ---- ours happens to be Lyme Plus. I call it Lyme Plus now, because it never is just Lyme and co-infections alone that cause us problems. It took me a while to figure that out, and only after having suffered long enough did I come to that conlcusion. The photons take us a great step forward by at least eradicating the worst of them.
Right now I am treating my husband for metal and mold toxicity (with the Bionic880) and I will keep doing it until he can run a marathon again! Intruder after intruder, toxin after toxin. All very carefully.
So, yes, the roundabout way - the photons take the bugs out from where they don't belong. And our immune system, etc. keeps things running and improving after the treatments stop, if we do things right. Sort of waking all things up and bringing order back into the system.
Take care.
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I agree with GiGi in the mechanism but will add the following based on papers on the biophysics institute in Germany. http://www.lifescientists.de/
According to some of the papers it alludes to light entering a cell, if the light is fully satisfactory in the cell it cascades to the next cell. They called it a battery effect if you push positive electrons through a battery if the battery is at capacity the energy flows out the negative pole (not sure if the polarity direction is correct -- just concept). To the next cell. I'm guessing that is the flow electronically. Same happens for light it is still a form of electro magnetic waves. So in a sense it piggy backs from a cell with enough energy to the next cell if there isn't enough energy only the amount needed is absorbed anything left is passed.
The bionic 880 is a very powerful LED unit applied to chakra locations can affect the whole body with light even though the penetration of the light might only be an inch into the body. It is the cascading affect taking it deeper in.
Hope I've got it right, it is just my understanding.
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i know it is said that when out with the lyme, out with the coinfections... but i am wondering, if a patient is given lyme nosodes, then why not babesia, etc, nosodes as well?
thanks
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I am leaving on Friday and start the Biophoton treatment next Monday. Will report back.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: John, Dr. W does not currently have babesia nosodes .... they just don't have coinfections over here like we do.
Oh yes they do!!! Co-infections are a huge prob all over Europe...in fact it is claimed that the European strain of Babs is far harder to eradicate!! It's just that most European docs don't acknowledge co-infections or are just not educated enough about them!
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so speaking of antibiotic use, what does dr woitzel consider a long term abx regimen that would halter recovery?
3 months, 6 months, 1 year, years?
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: The interesting point is that it seems that when Dr. W treats for Borrelia in European patients, they generally improve/recover significantly.
With US patients, it doesn't seem to be quite as easy though progress is quite evident for those that I have spoken with that have gone.
I don't think we know all of the reasons why. Bioengineered Borrelia? Coinfections? Other factors? Different strains? Too many antibiotics?
The good news is that it seems that even for the US patients, good progress is more the rule than the exception.
Perhaps the reason for treatment failure or a later relapse could be related to still having root canals or mercury fillings in place????
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Sure. Possible. Heavy metals are a big issue and Lyme is generally not Lyme alone. I think we have to address all of these issues. Dr. H in NY has an excellent 15 areas that he looks into with patients and it is not all about killing infections. There is much more to it.
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For what it is worth, in a conversation with Dr. W. he said that he has the nosodes for the common coinfections in Germany (Chlamydia and one other that I can't remember), but often Americans do not test positive for those. He did not at that time (3 weeks ago) have nososdes for Babesia and Bartonella, the more common American coinfections. Since I did test positive energetically (not on the Western Blot) for babesia before I went to Germany, I plan to be tested with a babesia nosode to make sure that this is taken care of as well, or treat it with the Bionic.
I continue to feel a significant difference after the 5 treatments. My energy is better and my head is clearer. Best of all, my depression is lifting, and I actually feel good much of the time, not just physically, but emotionally. I know that I have other issues to deal with, but I am on my way. All my friends notice a real difference in me, and their joy for me has added to the delight of this experience.
I do notice that one of my 2 root canals is bothering me now, after being quiet for 10 years or more. This is interesting to me! At any rate, it was a bad root canal, done and re-done because the dentist left a tip of his instrument in the tooth. I plan to have it extracted this fall, and maybe the other one too.
I bought a machine but so far I still test (with the biotensor and borelli nosodes) that the lyme is all gone. I am so grateful, I don't have words.
Before I went to Germany I saw Dr. J. in Kansas, and I plan to go there again next week to be re-evaluated and show him my new light machine. I will be re-taking the CRT test and be retested energetically for borelli, babesia, parasites, candida, and the other things I am dealing with. Then I will choose the nosodes to work with next with the machine.
I am excited to be on the road back to health. Again, I thank GiGi and Dr. W. I am so grateful that Gigi posted her experience so faithfully here on lymenet or I would still be going down instead of up in my healing.
I wish you well, Scott, and all who are either there or are going over.
i am wondering, if you can tell me, where can i purchase the nosodes for babesia (and hopefully mycoplasmas)?
thanks, and congradulations on feeling better!
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My husband had all co-infections.
I explained yesterday at length that the biophotons start to turn on the immune system. For some people it happens quicker, for some slower. The photons keep working. Read that post, please.
The only nosodes that we applied were the Bb into the very high potencies, as well as a vial containing real/sterilized bacteria of Borrelia afzelli and the Bburgdorferi. There are other ways to cover the related infections, but I won't go into that here, because we didn't need that and it is not really necessary.
The photons do not distinguish between the different toxicities. They go to work wherever they need to - again read my post of yesterday. I think it is in the Marnie's lizzard thread.
Even some of the heavy metals are coming out at the same time. Even some of the fungi are caught in the die-off. As is the mold. But if the infestation has been long and heavy, it will take longer. I am still treating my husband for metals and fungi and mold. The borrelia and all relatives are gone. They came together and they left together, as far as I am concerned. That's the first thing Dr. W. told me. The different infections and toxins do not live in separate little boxes in the body -- Remember I have been posting here for years - they all hang out together in one contaminated terrain.
I acquired all the co-infecion nosodes up into the most diluted potencies. They test negative every time I test them. They test negative with ART by the experts. Both my husband and I had seven co-infections - we share a lot!!!!!! None remain - nearly four months after the last Bionic Lyme treatment. Dr. W. cannot say how many months it would take to overcome the effects of longterm abx. He just says that it takes longer. Makes perfect sense: there is a lot more residue to clean out. I would not be surprised that heavy drug intake besides abx would also slow things down a bit.
Different people - different reactions/results.
All other toxic loads, as Scott said, play a role. I would say an enormous role. Yes, the metals definitely are helped by the photons, but they are not out of the body yet the day you finish your last Lyme treatment. The stuff keeps coming and coming, but in tolerable amounts. That helps to avoid organ problems, etc.
I consider the photon treatment a very gentle treatment -much more gentle than anything that I have done or been done to. Dr. K. considered me a person that can take a bit more than others, and I was put to the test many times.
I will do photons any time before any other treatment modality - neural therapy, HBOT, ozone injections, prolo therapy, on and on; I can't and don't want to remember all of them.
Just so glad, so glad, so glad that there is a Bionic. The fact that my husband needs no special agents to move the metals out - ; No DMSA, no DMPS, no ALA, no NAC ---- that he needs no special agents to move the mold and fungi out --- is enough for us to be grateful forever. Mop-up ia the most important and assuring that elimination functions well, etc.
All thanks to photons and a well constructed light instrument.
For those who do the power comparison with other lights, there are more factors involved with the Bionic than merely power. I talked about that so many times. Stronger does not make it better.
Read some of the old posts -
Here is my response post from yesterday on Marnie's wonderful Lizzard thread: see next post.
Take care, and have loads of fun, Scott, most of all in the German bakeries! Wish I could roam around with you overthere. And give the Klein's a big hug from us.
Take care.
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sorry i didn't read back into the other posts and retain much- the head gets a bit spinning sometimes with all that info!!
i am excited for my trip...getting prepped as much as possible!
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Here is my response to Marnie's great lizzard post:
"Thank you, Marnie.
"Let There Be Light". It is light that does it - the biochemical process may or may not happen after that.
There is light in our cells. This fact was declared for the first time in 1922 by the Russian docotr, Prof. A. Gurwitsch; It was rediscovered in 1975 by others under the direction of Prof. Popp. and demonstrated clearly using the most up-to-date research methods.
According to these, the cells of all creatures emit light, albeit an extremely weak light, which is intensified during cell division, damage or cell death and extinguished when the cell dies.
Biophoton radiation of living cells isn't just an area of visible light, it serves as a sort of radio communication. The cells communicate with each other -- I have often heard said. Consequently, biological processes in plant, animal and human organisms can be controlled. This is high order coherent light, much the same as the light from a laser (Bionic is not a laser) beam and which is suitable for optimal information transfer.
Due to this high level of order, it can create order itself and activate or inhibit biochemical processes. In cancer, for instance, there is a loss of coherence and light storage capacity -- tumorous tissues irradiate differently.
Experiments have shown that healthy cells have the ability to store a lot of light; cancer cells lose their ability to store and their coherence becoming "chaotic". The ability to form a collective with other cells is also lost.
Biophotons can intervene here and create order. Light particles are responsible for all biochemical events in our body. Life without light is not pos The Bionic880 triggers immuno-modulation, regulates hormone balance and harmonizes body, mind and spirit. sible.
Every living cell - human, animal, plant - dlivers 100,000 light impulses per second. This only ends when dead. If cells are damaged, the intensity of light is less. If light is given to the damaged and weakened cells via photons, the are encouraged to regenerate themselves.
Photons are the language of the cells. Research by the three Russian scientists (Stschurin, Kasnaschejew and Michailowa) showed after more than 5000 experiments, evidence that living cells deliver messages via photons. Each cell receives some 1000 messages per second. The information is distributed with a speed of light of 300,000 kilometers per second.
Our lifestyle explains the lack of photons. I described it yesterday in a post above - eating habits, toxin accumulation, quality of food, environmental toxins, overload of emf, gases, metals, artificial light --- mercury. Add physical and emotional stress, addictions, social and job problems. We live in an environment that is highly demanding ----- "higher, faster, and farther" ---- is not always to our benefit.
Let the lizard live.
Take care."
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hey folks-
glad to hear about everything going so well for everyone...
GIGI-
i know youve been bothered a lot so far, but i am going to have to add to the load if i can.
whats your email again? i cannot find it in this thread. i am looking to get info on the treatment such as dr contact info, how to make an appt, ect ect.
is there any way those who have gone could make a handy guide people could just read and use for any questions they may have?
thatd be great. if not, gigi, if you would give me your email id love to contact you and get as much info as possible..
derek
ps- is there a list anywhere of all the americans we know of that have gotten therapy?
it would be extremely helpful if we could compile everyone's stories in one place
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Joylindy - the exact same thing happened to me with a root canal tooth. Mine was very old and poorly done and I had it extracted last week. It had never bothered me before.
My theory is that now our bodies don't have so many things to deal with - lyme - it can focus on other things and they start saying hello. The biophotons are still working and bringing new (or old) things to light. Kind of exciting really.
I expected a lot of pain and having to be very careful of the extraction area. It was almost completely healed in two days. I attribute the quick healing to the biophotons just as my appendectomy healed so quickly.
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NYJohn - I have some information you are looking for but your mailbox is full.
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hi there nanadubo thanks a lot! i just cleared out some space for you... cheers john
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Time permitting, I will post some updates here during the stay:
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Hi Scott, Have a safe,wonderful journey.I am looking forward to hearing about your experience.I will be checking you blog. Healing Blessings Joyce
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djf, do you have all you want to know? In case you don't, here is my e-mail: [email protected]
Take care.
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betterhealthguy.blogspot.com is the blog and I think you can follow it so that it sends emails if you are interested. I hope to be able to updated it along the way. Thanks for the well-wishes.
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quote: and I think you can follow it so that it sends emails if you are interested. I hope to be able to updated it along the way. Thanks for the well-wishes.
You know that I am interested. So how do I do that so that it sends e-mails? You know I have my limitations when it comes to this sort of thing. Please.
Take care.
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good luck, scott! i'm very much looking forward to following your progress.
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Even being over here and receiving the treatment, I am still getting so much from those who were here previously. Please, keep posting.
As I remember Nanadubo saying, it's a lot. I don't know how to say it, but it's a lot ... emotionally, spiritually, physically, etc. I am clearly feeling better, but going through a lot still. This is simple, but not necessarily easy.
I posted some ponderings on that on my blog this morning.
I'm looking forward to meeting mOjoey today.
Again, thanks for the posts all of you who have gone through this .... it reminds me that healing is still to be done even after the borrelia is gone.
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Absolutely Six - It feels like your whole life (and especially the lyme portion) gets put through the wash and wrung out. All the grief, fears and every other level is brought to the surface.
It is like a cleansing on so many levels. It continues on after treatment.
Instead of waking up each morning feeling overwhelmed and not even knowing what is going on in my body - pre-treatment - now I wake up and can feel each morning what might need to be tweaked.
My spiritual mentor always used to tell me that when you get rid of something that is unwanted, be conscious of what you fill that space with.
It is an adventure finding new ways to use all the time and energy that I used spend worrying, in fear and running from doctor to doctor.
Today I am going to get large sheets of extremely warm, German clay wrapped around me - called Fango - get covered in blankets and sweat my brains out! Have to keep getting rid of the toxins.
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how do they or are they able to determine the borrelia is "gone"?
also, i still havent heard yet why people have symptoms even though they are cured?
and where did the rest of the 880 testimonials go?
thanks
derek
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