Topic: Bionic 880 thread - promise I won't delete it
Brussels
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I don't know what happened and who started talking about Gigi's earning commissions... I really don't care if she earned a bit here and there... She's not becoming rich because of that, you all can be sure. Her commitment to lymenet is not paying her bills!!
There are other practioners in Germany proposing people to do AI, and these are good practioners. And you can do AI totally independent from them all, no one has to say you got a recommendation.
Without Gigi, I was never going to be trying photons with homeopathics, possibly no one on this board would be on this trip. This is something amazing, I could barely imagine possible before I heard from the Bionic.
And this photon treatment saved my almost 2 decade old skin infection that almost handicapped me. Nothing I tried before put that in remission!
Without Gigi, I was never going to have seen dr. K's practioners and would very probably be DEAD for lack of TREATMENT. She saved my life when she told me who I could see because they gave me treatment and they found me in a very bad state. With their treatment, I improved A LOT.
Without Gigi, I believe dr. K. wouldn't have heard about the Bionic until now. Nor all the practioners that follow dr. K. here in Europe, they knew nothing about it last year in May, and now everyone around is talking about it.
She earned nothing from me, nor from the practioners she recommended who were thousands of miles away from her home. I couldn't remember Gigi's real name when I went to practioners she recommended, so I couldn't even tell who sent me to them (loads of brain fog ...)
What now I think photons can do is due to her, she found out that first.
She still recommended me to see dr. W. and she knows I won't buy the machine as there are quite a lot of practioners in Switzerland using it, so I can use their machines.
I have my life back, and I owe it in MOST part to Gigi. If I had to just use the doctors around here, I would be dead, I really think so.
Please, don't go out Gigi!!
Without Gigi, lymenet loses a great asset.
I hope you don't stop posting!
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quote:Originally posted by jl123: "No one ever said everything would be healed in 3 weeks, that's why we all brought the machine back."
Yes but here is my problem. How can people use the Bionic as effectively here in the US without doing the same treatment that DR. W does?? Which is live vials of lyme??? Is there something I'm missing here? Isn't that the best way to assure that lyme is erradicated from ones body??
Thanks, JL
You have to remember also, when you get to the point where you can safely use blood, it's going to have all the information you need.
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SForsgren
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I agree that we lose a lot if she leaves but honestly, I hope she goes. This environment is not healthy and she has plenty more to do in her life than to continue to take what is dished out to her here on Lymenet.
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But Selma, suppose people can use your PE1 for $1100 instead of a Bionic for $8000? Gigi had an enormous influence on people when she insisted on the superiority of the Bionic. We want as many people healed as possible. Bejoy is having success with the $250 Lightworks. So is Sparkle.
This all matters. Not everybody is healthy or wealthy enough to go to Germany. Some people are on SSDI. Some may be able to scrape together $1100 and some money for homeopathics, but not $15,000 (total of what Scott said he spent).
It hurts people who believe that a person is not influenced at all by a commission, if that person is insisting that the most expensive machine is the only one that really works.
She DID do everybody an enormous good by finding the therapy and getting people interested in this approach.
I understand what you are saying and I am glad you learned from her, so you could do PE1. I think that is more feasible for many of us.
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I think many of us wanted something that was proven in over 2000 patients. The PE1 might be a good tool, I don't know. But the Bionic is not a simple treatment and it takes working with the doctor to do it right. For me, I wanted something that has already been worked out. Good luck to PE1 folks. I hope you do find that it works.
I still KNOW that GiGi would never push a machine due to $$. Period. I have no doubt. If she thought the PE1 or the xyz machine for 1000 worked the same, I bet anything that she would have saved her own money in going to do the photons. She did it because she believed that it would work.
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And me too, I am telling people that want a good and effective treatment, not to do any other machine or own protocol, but go for what is 'tested'!
I'm sure it worths, if one is able to afford for that. Just see the people who came back. And there are others that don't post here, the Bionic brings amazing results!
We, doing the PE1 or the LW, are only TESTING things we have no real idea of the outcome. The numbers are so limited compared to dr. W's patients, and we're learning the hard way, I find (trial and error!).
Only now I start to really believe my lyme will go dormant again, but who knows for how long?
I think I'll still go to dr. W. myself to check my lyme stage and my daughter's. If we still need to do the Bionic, I don't know, but I think he's the reference.
I understand the lack of money issues for most lyme sufferers, that is why I post what I'm doing.
We all know Gigi for a long time, when she believes something, she'll move the earth to make that happen. She did that with chlorella, with muscle tests, with rechtsregulat, with d-galaktose, psychokinesiology (PK), tapping, metal detox etc etc.
She had always behaved the same way in the things she believed. The PK is one example, root canals another. What the hell did she gain from pushing us all to treat our root canals with such a passion? Nothing. That's where you'll find the greatest numbers of her posts. That's her way.
We're big enough to decide for our lives and our finances, even if brain fogged.
The people who went didn't regret, right? They came back saying it worthed. Most, if not all, said it is even 'cheaper' when they compared what they spent with other treatments, because of the results.
So it did work, right? Or am I missing something?
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We have such a novel approach to treating lyme. Yet we can't organize a simple test amongst us to find a way to do what Dr. W. did with possibly superior technology.
I'm convinced the SLED technology is superior to the LEDs used in the bionic.
A simple test, 10 folks using a PE1 supervised by an LLND in a specific area to see how many feel they got better and to what degree. It doesn't have to be an expensive 100 million dollar study. Just good old observation.
Its cheaper, its supervised, it has the possibility to help those that can't afford it.
I still have hopes this can occur in Maryland and I'm seeing a wonderful LLND right now. So I'm hoping its a matter of time.
If we could find a cheap way out of this disease, we could stop soooo much suffering.
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I was deeply hurt when GiGi ridiculed me for trying to experiment with the information she was posting. She insulted me in a way that seemed to make anyone with not enough resources (ie: money) to follow her, feel very hurt.
If you have never been without money in your life - you wouldn't be able to understand how hurtful it was to have her addressing me it that manner. I think I can safely say others felt the grief about this, too.
To say that everyone has a mercury problem or everyone should treat the same things she has problems with is misleading. We are all different. We each need to focus on our individual issues.
It doesn't matter to me if someone is making money from selling products. It should be revealed. I was severely ridiculed for even making an inquiry about this.
I was going through 2 recent deaths in my family & severe financial issues. I really didn't need to read GiGi's insults towards me at that time.
I appreciate that she shared information with us. It's just that it's suspect to me what the agenda was or might have been. Do these things go further than just the Bionic 880? Does it matter? I thought this was supposed to be a forum for support... not insulting people who may have another point of view.
I though this was a place for people to "share" information... not capitalize on it.
I would have preferred to be supporting people who share their information & experiences. If GiGi did not come down on me so harshly, I would be supporting her now. It just wasn't the case for me, though.
I'm not really sure what she was expecting to receive from posting her information other than to share & help people. I don't know why some people were treated with bitterness & ridicule by her & others are devoted followers.
I don't know what Dr. W has e-mailed to patients or why.
It's all very strange to me... I would probably just ignore all of this if it wasn't personal to me.
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Dear Friends,
First, we don't have access to accurate, verified data. Sixgoofykids and someone else say they have an email from Dr. W, but don't post it. I don't know if Dr. W sold the Bionic 880, or if it had to be bought directly from the manufacturer, so I don't know if he has personal $$ data on commissions, because he paid them, or not.
So, in my opinion, it is the responsibility of the person who puts out the information to verify it and have it documented or have other proof that can be shown to others.
Without that, we get what we now have--lots of flack, upset people, and no possible resolution.
The next gradient, supposing such proof or documentation was actually gotten, would be to confront the person involved privately. Gigi has posted her private email enough times for this to be relatively easy to do.
As has been posted on this thread,
"We all know Gigi for a long time, when she believes something, she'll move the earth to make that happen. She did that with chlorella, with muscle tests, with rechtsregulat, with d-galaktose, psychokinesiology (PK), tapping, metal detox etc etc.
"She had always behaved the same way in the things she believed. The PK is one example, root canals another. What the hell did she gain from pushing us all to treat our root canals with such a passion? Nothing. That's where you'll find the greatest numbers of her posts. That's her way."
I have watched what she has posted about, observed other people trying those things, and have seen their reports of good results. I have tried some of these treatments myself, and been pleased with the outcomes of the ones I've decided to try.
I also agree that if someone is receiving financial compensation for any treatment or protocol or product that they should disclose it.
At this point, there is NO PROOF OR DOCUMENTATION being provided. So, much as I appreciate Sixgoofykids, I must relegate her "disclosure" to RUMOR. And, I request that she take the responsiblity to a) get documentation, one way or the other, that others can be allowed to view in the original version and b) share that with GiGi before doing anything else with it.
Since her recommendations have helped you so much, Six, you really should do no less.
Love,
Cass A
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I disagree, Cass A. Several patients of Dr. W say they have received an email to this effect. There is no reason to believe they would invent this fact, or that Dr. W would invent this fact. It makes no sense.
I think though we just have to move on now. Six and others have said the Bionic helped. And a few others have the PE1 and Lightworks.
Bob is right--we should try to find a way to evaluate if the cheaper devices, esp PE1, work. That is in a price range that practitioners and patients can afford.
That is why I want to get the PE1 to the clinic in Long Island, to a man who has already used nosodes, homeopathy, and ART testing for 30 years.
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I said I wouldn't comment anymore, but...Cass makes sense here. If Dr. W is OK with disclosure (which I assume he is given he's told multiple people), it seems reasonable to post.
If the e-mail has other person info not appropriate to show, I'm sure users would understand partial deletion out of respect for privacy.
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I do not think the email should be posted because it has other information in it that the masses don't need to know. It would be pure gossip for me to post the entire email. Besides, who's to say I didn't edit it? You are receiving this information second hand, I received it first hand. If you think I tell the truth, then that's enough. I've revealed my source and others have confirmed that what I say is true.
All I am saying is that Dr. W sent me an email, that he confirmed it with the manufacturer that she was receiving a commission.
I have no problem with people making money off something, I have a problem with not disclosing it.
GiGi has been a BIG help to me. I don't deny that. I just don't think that people should be canceling their appts to Dr. W now ..... he's a good doctor and a good person.
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quote: But this is a splendid opportunity for me to kill my ``addiction to Lymenet in order to help people'' (as my husband calls it), and I will therefore no longer post on this site.
Good luck and may you all be well.
I don't think I've ever once responded in one of these threads. The primary reason: Drama. I feel it's important now however as losing a good member isn't in our best interest, nor hers.
Gigi, quite often when I see you responding in threads, I often feel you're the unnecessary victim of falling on your own sword. I often feel that you take offense needlessly.
When someone "takes" offense, it means they literally had to "take" it -- to be offended. You've got immense intelligence based on my observation , yet I also feel you lack the emotional intelligence to execute coping with personal challenges, attacks, criticism, or -- .....disagreements in a social setting (at least here anyway).
Here is some advice I follow. Maybe you'll find it useful.
If I really don't have time to answer a question, then I simply don't. I feel no "rush" no "guilt" and no frustration when thousands of people message me for help and I can't keep up. I'm just one more advocate/activist. I'm not the only one. If you feel someone is attacking you, ponder carefully whether anything they're saying is relevant. If it is, address it honestly while calm and collected. If it's not, discard it and ignore it. I treat "all insult, criticism, attack -- anything" -- the same way. I ask myself "Is there anything constructive here that I can use to improve? Have I made an error, is amends necessary?" If I react and return fire, the consequence is nearly universally the same -- it escalates. Is that what our intention is? Is that serving us?
If someone "is" trying to insult me, maybe I answer them, maybe I don't. I don't accept the invite to every fight, argument or challenge that is presented to me.
You're a very strong willed woman that -- like all of us -- has shortcomings and at the same time a wide spectrum of positive qualities.
I don't know you personally, and I've never spoken to anyone who has chastised you, nor have I spoken with anyone who praised you. This is only, based on what I see publicly.
It would be a disservice to yourself to abandon all the people who care about you and respect you just because you aren't able to adapt to a minority of criticism or challenge.
The way we respond to criticism depends on the way we respond to praise. If praise humbles an individual, then criticism will build them up. But if praise inflates them, then criticism will crush them.
You're too bright to be a quitter, but the question remains, are you emotionally capable of taking good advice and putting pride aside?
-- Michael
Note It was my desire to send this privately but that was not possible. PM me for further discussion if you wish.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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People deciding to go or not go should be based entirely on how people have responded to the device.
In fact, I think that someone on this thread canceled after sixgoofy made her post - so that person's loss is certainly not GiGi's doing.
Do people think that she stopped recommending it because she no longer got a commission - that is just ludicrous.
I agree with Cass A - where's the proof?
For sixgoofy to have ANY problem with the fact that she found the device and claims to be nearly 100% well and yet then still want to make the person that led her to wellness look badly in an open forum is very hurtful to many.
What good has it led to? It has led to one of the few people that has really helped many freely here on Lymenet (clearly some don't believe the freely part) now leave and never to return.
All are now permanently lost of the type of information that GiGi has shared here for years - that is a loss I cannot comprehend.
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quote:Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE: [QUOTE] are you emotionally capable of taking good advice and putting pride aside?
Wow, now that's a big comment for someone you have never even met. I've known GiGi for over 3 years and if there is anyone in this world that I look to that is emotionally strong, it is GiGi. She has been through so much in her life and yet she continued to help people here for free (again some debate this point).
I have benefited from her guidance in ways that I cannot count.
Personally, I hope she never returns here as she deserves better.
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Fault rarely ever belongs to one person. This could have been resolved in a much healthier way public post or not. Now we have drama and enemies. Thats the "shame."
Which reminds me that I am not the only human being in the room. Everyone makes mistakes, miscommunicates, is rude, self oriented unable to see the other side.. unwilling to listen to what has been expressed here by others, troubled, truly wants what is best.. All the while there are opportunities to listen, validate, learn, grow, and make ammends if and where needed.
I dont think anyone here is out to get anyone.
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sixgoofykids
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: I agree with Cass A - where's the proof?
If you did not receive the email from Dr. W copied to HB, let me know and I'll send it to you. This offer is only good for Dr. W's patients .... I'm not sending it to anyone else in the forum.
Oh, and the person who cancelled, did not cancel because of this post ..... it was because she's not ready to go yet for other reasons. It had nothing to do with this post, commissions, etc. The timing was just unfortunate.
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I don't understand why this wasn't brought up privately with Gigi if no harm to her was intended.
Now, I suppose we will all suffer by not having access to this source of very helpful information.
So often, I have seen people jumped on for next to nothing here and all kinds of baseless accusations hurled around -- I hope this is not one of those cases.
I would not be biting the hand that feeds me so to speak and then wonder why they no longer wish to post here. I have seen Gigi harassed on many occasions including by some on this thread.
JMHO and very saddened by this.
I have access to a very promising energy treatment that I'm trying but I don't feel comfortable to post anything about it as it will just bring out the "attackers" here so I just share with people I know --- I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Hope you all find what you need to deal with this devastating disease.
Thanks, Gigi, for your more than 6,000 posts and all the good information you've left here for others.
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quote:Originally posted by Looking: I don't understand why this wasn't brought up privately with Gigi if no harm to her was intended.
Because I have the email from the doctor, who copied the manufacturer on the email. I did not bring all of the discussion here, only the part I thought people should know. The intention was not to hurt GiGi, rather to help others.
Read my first post again .... and Nanadubo's second post. That was my intention.
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quote:Originally posted by NanaDubo: I appreciate sixgoofy looking out for everyone here. She has always had positive things to say about Gigi and continues to even on this page.
Sorry Sparkle but it is not a front. You can read on this page and in the past how many of us benefited and are close to or completely well from being in his care.
As Scott said - "If GiGi were making money from the sales of the device and not disclosing that while all the time still promoting it here on Lymenet, I agree that would be an inappropriate thing to do. Even in that event, I still appreciate what I learned from her and many people I believe would agree".
I believe that is all sixgoofy was saying.
I have spent countless hours on the phone with Gigi and regardless of what some may think, she does truly care about the people here.
She has gained a lot of knowledge over the years and shared it with us.
So yes, Sixgoofy and Scott are correct, disclosure would be appropriate and still, I am grateful to her.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I do not think the email should be posted because it has other information in it that the masses don't need to know. It would be pure gossip for me to post the entire email. Besides, who's to say I didn't edit it? You are receiving this information second hand, I received it first hand. If you think I tell the truth, then that's enough. I've revealed my source and others have confirmed that what I say is true.
All I am saying is that Dr. W sent me an email, that he confirmed it with the manufacturer that she was receiving a commission.
I have no problem with people making money off something, I have a problem with not disclosing it.
GiGi has been a BIG help to me. I don't deny that. I just don't think that people should be canceling their appts to Dr. W now ..... he's a good doctor and a good person.
I agree with 6. I also received the email (and I assume so did Scott, Nana, Joey, Paul, etc.) and I would not be comfortable with posting it here. It was not meant to be seen by all -just Dr. W.'s patients. I will confirm that 6 speaks the truth.
I am very distressed by this turn of events as I hold both GiGi and Dr. W. in high esteem.
I am grateful to GiGi for her tireless sharing of info and I hope she returns to LN, if only to give her side of the story.
Dr. W. is a wonderful doctor and a true healer. I fear that those who are now canceling their appts. with him are making a grave mistake.
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Six -- thankyou for doing not only the hard thing, but the necessary thing. I admire your integrity and honesty. You are truly a gem on this site.
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I stand by the principle of taking the matter privately to the individual involved and allowing them to respond. Then proceed from there if need be.
It is a matter of respect and I'm sure something all of us would want for ourselves.
JMHO
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Thanks, Bob and Zombie.
Looking, it's hard for you to say what you would do because you are not in my position.
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: Six -- thankyou for doing not only the hard thing, but the necessary thing. I admire your integrity and honesty. You are truly a gem on this site.
Ditto. Hats off to Six.
I was suspicious about this whole Bionic thing, also because I didn't trust in the person who brought the info about it to this board.
I was also a bit suspicious about Six's success report because I didn't know where she stood. Now I know. Thank you Six!
I feel far more positive towards this treatment now.
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quote: Looking, it's hard for you to say what you would do because you are not in my position.
I am not trying to make you feel bad and whatever position I am in, I hope I would apply the principle of taking the matter up privately with the person involved first if at all possible. I don't see how anyone would know if they truly have the whole story without doing that.
Just my upbringing and what I feel is right, that's all. I wish you well.
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Thanks, Gabrielle.
Looking, you don't know the whole story, that's all I mean. That is NORMALLY what I would do. You say, "if at all possible" ...... I agree.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the reason 6 made her post was because she realized that others are canceling their appts. with Dr. W on account of GiGi.
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quote:Originally posted by zombie_mummy: Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the reason 6 made her post was because she realized that others are canceling their appts. with Dr. W on account of GiGi.
Yes.
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Six, you were very graceful about it and I for one am grateful. It also makes things clearer to me and gives me more faith that PE1 may do fine.
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people should not cancel their appointments with dr w in my opinion...their choices to go to him should be based on patients' reports alone. we choose llmd's based on their efficacy and not fuzzy warm personalities. dr w is both warm and fuzzy, and is a fantastic doctor who knows what he is doing. i have been back 3 weeks and am totally glad i went! i don't want to post about details till i am 100%, though. all i know is that i am thankful for those who posted their experiences, which allowed me to make the right choice for me. not being on tons of abx and supplements, which were not really helping me, is reason enough to go to germany, in my case. i could not afford any more abx, financially, physically, nor mentally. i think the protocol works. i have had lyme for 15 years.
the only ones to really be angry with are those who run our medical system. keep that in mind. we are all here together in the same boat, trying to end this illness...we are lucky to have doctors like dr w who recognize the seriousness of lyme.
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Why would anyone cancel Dr. W who was *not* taking commissions---if/because Gigi did?
That makes no sense.
If people can afford the $15,000, and feel it will help, go!!! And let us know how it was and how you are.
We've heard nothing negative about Dr. W.
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I agree with John. I think there are enough other sources on experiences with the Bionic out there (and more to come.. a la Lymic) that the incidents of the past few days should have much, if any, bearing on people's decisions to see Dr. W and try out this machine.
I for one have carefully documented each step of this experiment... even when I've had to go back on previous observations. Take everything you read, take a weighted average, and make your own decisions. If this whole "commission" business is the ammunition you need to change your opinion on the machine and/or Dr. W, frankly you haven't done enough research and taken all other public accounts into consideration.
There is so much politicizing and childish nitpicking on this forum that Gigi's ability to constantly bring the topic back to the "big picture" becomes diluted. Reading her posts has always been a source of comfort when there is so much different information and a million different ways to treat. She has seemingly done it all, and can narrow down both traditional and non-traditional treatments to "what actually works for me" for all of our benefit.
I suspect we won't realize how much these incidents pale in comparison to what we've lost in her posts until later on, but some foresight can go a long way toward revising what we say now.
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quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: Why would anyone cancel Dr. W who was *not* taking commissions---if/because Gigi did?
If you read back a little, you will see when GiGi changed her opinion of the Bionic and Dr. W. She started recommending that people see a practitioner who uses AI and mentioned that she was now talking to one who uses AI instead of Dr. W.
That is why I thought it relevant that she was making a commission off this according to the correspondence from Dr. W. It explained to me the sudden change in opinion. People were canceling their appts.
Dr. W developed the Lyme treatment with the Bionic and I think he's a great doctor to see for treatment. Obviously it's worked well for me.
I'm distressed that this topic has gone the way it has, but I felt obligated to share the relevant information, though not everything that was in the email.
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For those considering going to Germany, I think it is worthwhile calling up both practitioners that are being mentioned here before setting an appointment. In my opinion, they offer different approaches to treatment, and I understand they even have different ways of using the Bionic.
Even if I hadn't done either treatment, just from what I've read/heard about them I would've wanted to do the AI first. If for no other reason than finances. You don't need to go to Germany to get it done. I have a hunch that I could've saved much money on unnecessary nosodes if I'd treated in that order, although the verdict is still out on what infections I will have to treat after the AI is completely finished.
Also, directly based on my conversation with the other practitioner, I would've extended my time in Germany in order to see her. She seemed to offer a very comprehensive, customized approach to treatment.
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It seems like everyone is mad at Six for doing something she felt was only RIGHT... yet NO one seems to be upset that gigi didn't disclose that she was getting money for bionic sales??? I don't understand...
I can only imagine how hard it must have been for six to come on here and tell us what is going on... I mean it is so obvious that she is GRATEFUl to gigi because she is now well because of the therapy.
Thank you Six for being honest with all of us!
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Will you please tell us more about this doctor, how she treats? Thanks.
quote:Originally posted by m0joey: For those considering going to Germany, I think it is worthwhile calling up both practitioners that are being mentioned here before setting an appointment. In my opinion, they offer different approaches to treatment, and I understand they even have different ways of using the Bionic.
Even if I hadn't done either treatment, just from what I've read/heard about them I would've wanted to do the AI first. If for no other reason than finances. You don't need to go to Germany to get it done. I have a hunch that I could've saved much money on unnecessary nosodes if I'd treated in that order, although the verdict is still out on what infections I will have to treat after the AI is completely finished.
Also, directly based on my conversation with the other practitioner, I would've extended my time in Germany in order to see her. She seemed to offer a very comprehensive, customized approach to treatment.
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i think 6 was just posting in order to not have people base their doctor choices on anything other than patients' personal experiences with treatments with dr w.. she is one of many that felt great benefit from dr w and posted only positives regarding making the choice to go there and be treated by him.
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What politicizing and childhish nitpicking? On this thread?
Commission for Bionic or AI or both? Is this a fact? If so, then h** yeah, I would want to know. If not, then I feel very badly for Gigi.
I do believe that GiGi believes the AI is more important first therapy than the bionic.. thats how I read the change in referrals. I think AI or something like it will be very important for me.
I am grateful for GiGi. I'm grateful for Six.
I am grateful for all those who share and dont walk away and leave the rest of us behind.
I am esp grateful for those who comprehend that we all cannot afford this and keep that reality in mind when you post. Most of us would all choose a protocol laid out for us if we could afford it. Most of us dont not choose the bionic for the pleasure of figuring it out for ourselves.
If AI is so great.. and I hope it is, that would be beyond amazingly wonderful.. I think we are waiting with bated breath.. so hopeful and afraid of being so disappointed.
Here's what I want to know:
(1) Does the Bionic therapy work (and how well).. time will tell.
(2) Can the Bionic be reproduced well enough with other devices and means (esp for those who cannot afford the bionic).
(3) Is AI legit? It certainly is less expensive than even NAET. Does it work? I have read the google translations and nothing about the treatments.. how they are made.. what is in them. Can someone enlighten me on that? Everytime I have asked questions or seen them asked, folks are referred to the site., which is understandable but the site does not explain simple facts like what are the remedies made of??? The idea has been explained, which makes a lot of sense. Seems logical to me to have some therapy like AI first esp for those with as many dysregulations as I have.
(4) Can we stick to the facts? It seems to me it should be OK for people to question, esp when something is brought up to them.
(5) What about the other practioners? Dr. W pioneered the use of the Bionic for Lyme? Do the other doctors use differently and how? The bionic or the supportive therapies?
Too many suffering people here. Honestly, I am terrified and I know you all must feel that way too. We need help and to help each other.
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Thats how I read it... and then if AI is a valuable as it may be, one can choose to do it first and then see Dr. W.
We can also learn more about the other doctors using the bionic and make our own personal choices who to see.
I would like to know the choices and different practices and to be able to learn from them or choose one or the other.
quote:Originally posted by nyjohn: i think 6 was just posting in order to not have people base their doctor choices on anything other than patients' personal experiences with treatments with dr w.. she is one of many that felt great benefit from dr w and posted only positives regarding making the choice to go there and be treated by him.
I only spoke with the practitioner briefly, but from what I understand, she uses AK for diagnostic and monitoring purposes. She uses both AI & bionic, and the bionic is used to treat a variety of bacteria & viruses, not just lyme.
She said very very warm & kind, and seemed to possess abundant knowledge of the multitude of infections we deal with.
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Does anyone know this practionter's success rate and has anyone seen her yet? Oh and what is AK?
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bejoy
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My current take on all this:
LNE has a troll or two paid by big pharma to cut down on any treatments that affect their profits.
Some of those trolls used to reside here as regular fixtures, but are no longer welcome.
Some still reside here, but are a bit more careful to follow the rules while bashing anything threatening their profits.
They are paid well to do damage, and have been quite successful.
Friends, I'd like to believe in a friendlier world, but Big Brother Big Business is watching you.
On top of all that, people are imperfect, and can be reactive and get under other people's skin.
When that happens, it is easy for others, in US or abroad, on or off Lymenet to believe the accusations and spread them.
The generous innocent, even professionals, are likely to take the bait.
-------------------- bejoy!
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i have the same question as brite. and AK is applied kinesiology, or muscle testing.
i appreciate six's disclosure and the intent behind it but i also don't understand why it wasn't done privately first. it seems to me that it's dr. w's word against GiGi's, which still relegates the accusation, in my mind, to the realm of rumor. i don't see how we can know the truth of the situation either way.
ps. nyjohn, i see you have the pm option disabled; is there a way to contact you privately? thanks.
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What I would really like to know about the AI is how many (even just a few accounts) people wind up falling back in their health with it.
The problem with all treatments, is that many can make you (and have for me)worse than you ever were before. I have had this multiple times with various homeopathic and herbal therapy's and its just HORRIFIC to have this happen.
Truth be told I was much better (for over 4 years) before I tried anything (before I was "officially" diagnosed with lyme and babs- I believe I got them in 02'). For the first years I could at least go about my day, if not work too hard on anything or literally run.
I now so often look back to pre-07 as my glory years. Before I went so far back after trying supplements and remedies) At least now off all meds/supps I am stable, and re-gaining my ability to walk.
Can anyone tell if AI quite possibly will make me sicker? I doubt it. JL
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quote:Originally posted by heiwalove: i appreciate six's disclosure and the intent behind it but i also don't understand why it wasn't done privately first. it seems to me that it's dr. w's word against GiGi's, which still relegates the accusation, in my mind, to the realm of rumor.
Because I didn't see how a private discussion would have accomplished anything. It was the people HERE I was concerned for. It was the people canceling their appts. I was concerned for. I consider the source to be good since it was a note to GiGi, copied to the manufacturer who paid the commissions, and copied to all Americans who went over for the treatment.
If it was a fault against me, I wouldn't just come air it out here.
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lymie_in_md
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Six -- you are quite right.
Heiwalove, in my mind its quite simple: The bionic was endorsed to the public by GiGi. The information about commissions is a public one. We are talking about 15,000 dollars for some people soooo desparate to get well, need to know all the facts. And deserve to know all the facts.
Personally, I will always hold GiGi with great regard, respect and admiration. I really don't care about the commission issue. It is more important to find the best vehicle to get well.
We now have all the facts, its time to find the best way to get well. And more affordably for all. So lets redirect our energies to something more productive.
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sixgoofykids
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: So lets redirect our energies to something more productive.
Yes, please.
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