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You're right Six, I just started a test thread and then deleted it and the whole thing is gone even the title. I looked in my "recent posts" and there is no trace of it.
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Well, if you want to try a relatively inexpensive device to see if infrared light is helpful - you can buy an LED array for about $100.
I used the LightWorks for about 2-3 weeks for about an hour a day & had a major herx for about a month. Huge amounts of "stuff" came out through my intestines. I'm now feeling alot better.
I was taking Oxycontin to function everyday prior to using the LightWorks. I no longer have to take it like that.
Also, I had very bad menstrual cramps all of my life. The cramps got at least 60% - 70% better. I no longer have to spend a week in bed taking Vicodin so I could be unconscious during excruciating pain.
I don't know about the Bionic 880... I suspect it's much stronger than the LightWorks. If it is stronger - I think it would produce extreme results - so, it's good to have a doctor who knows how to use it.
From my experience, light does not work in the same way as anything else I've ever tried.
I don't think it's appropriate to pick apart every aspect of this therapy. You can try a smaller device to get an idea of how infrared light works to see for yourself.
I don't see people here picking apart every expensive drug that is taken that has lots of nasty side effects. Most of the drugs I've taken just don't work. I have not taken abx for about a year & I'm not worse due to that.
Everyone is different & responds in a different way to treatments. You just have to try things to see which ones may be beneficial. Nothing is 100%. I don't see that using infrared light should be put through a microscope unless you are willing to do the same with other treatments.
People are not going to just use infrared light & nothing else to satisfy someone's curiosity. It's just not practical. The only thing you can do is try it if you feel it will help.
There are hundreds of studies & some people are getting results. You can test it out yourself by using an LED array or the LightWorks. It's not a question of being a "believer".
I didn't believe or disbelieve. I just tried it & it made a big difference. Some people who used the LightWorks had an extreme reaction & stopped using it.
I was willing to experiment on myself. I don't have additional health issues like co-infections but I am disabled with Lyme. I didn't take the abx for a long time & I was not taking them when I used the LightWorks. I was ill with Lyme for over 10 years, undiagnosed.
It worked for me & I can see that the technology has merit. I don't really care if there are a bunch of people saying this & that... bottom line is that the infrared light was effective for me.
Do the research & see all the information there is about using low level laser therapy, blood irradiation, LED therapy, cold lasers, etc. There are lots of studies in Eastern Europe & Russia for this technology, too, for many health conditions.
It's just a matter of time before people use it... if the drug companies release their strangle-hold on the medical community. They will stand to lose billions or more if people do start using light to heal illnesses.
You do have to have a protocol & stick with it. It's not going to work if you don't go all the way & give it a chance. I'm sorry mati had a bad experience. I don't think she was prepared & she left too early.
You need to plan a trip like going to a foreign country for medical treatment out. This is serious business. Would you be out camping in the rain if you were having a hysterectomy or your tonsils out?
No treatment is 100% but I have found great relief from using the LightWorks after having a major herx, I can't see that the Bionic 880 would be a fraud. If anything... it may be too strong.
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Hey I am not agianst you guys, I am with ya!! I am just an overly cautious and skeptical person....( just from some experiences I have had in the last year of my life)...
I want nothing more for this to work for everyone...
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I don't see how anyone can judge that I left too early when they were not there and understanding the intolerable level of stress that I was under and with no-one to turn to, in a strange city with little German, very sick and easily confused and unable to feed myself or shop.
I do not think anyone can judge either about the campsite, I think that it was reasonable to think that in August, in the usually hot summers in Germany, I would manage especially as I have electric sensitivity and a tent or as it happens, a proper bed put up in the back of a van (my companion was in the tent) is a good place for me. Had the weather been as is usually it would have worked fine. My companion had a satellite laptop and I could do my diet having him to drive me to the bio-markts. The cold and rain was not normal.
I never imagined that he would get fed up with the rain and leave me but I was desperate and when he offered the help I needed when I had no one here to come to Germany with me, I just accepted it.
This is all on top of the necessity of trying to save some money somewhere and get the treatment. Not all of us are fortunate enough to do the trip well within our means. Should anyone be put down for trying to do it more economically? It was planned as best as I could, having a time constraint in wanting to get there in the good weather.
I am hoping to get someone to communicate with the doctor for me who is a nurse and speaks fluent English and who may be willing to act as an interpreter for others here who are going. .
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I repeat the treatment with Bionic here - at least the sequence. Some people apparently have not read all.
The Bionic 880 treatments are done in a very specific sequence. They are not "done for a while", and then stopped, started up again and stopped. It's done from start to finish without long interruptions. Remember the bugs replenish themselves. That's also the reason why treatment fails if antibiotics are taken during the treatment. The bugs go hide, the photons chase, hide and seek, with no end in sight. Therefore no abx and no killer herbs shortly before and during treatment.
Treatments that failed were either done improperly or incomplete. Or patient took abx. Or misdiagnosis. Further search necessary.
There is a minimum of 5 treatments for all patients, exactly with two non-treatment days in between each one. If the last falls on a Thursday, there are three full days in between. They are done until every lyme nosode from the highest to the lowest potency clears the system energetically. If all ten nosodes clear, the treatment is finished. Lyme is finished. This usually takes 2 1/2 weeks (5 treatments with two non-treatment days in between each). When the patient clears all nosodes, i.e. he has no active bacteria showing any longer, treatment is finished. The patient is asked to come back after 4 weeks, and again after 4 weeks, for four months, to be tested to make certain that there is no active Borrelia present. Then it is recommended that the patient be energetically tested again once a year, especially since Lyme Disease is very rampant now all over Europe. It certainly seems to be the same or worse here.
I have talked with other practitioners in Germany who also do the Bionic800 Lyme treatment. They pretty much follow the same protocol and average the number of treatments for patients at 5 - 8.
My husband needed six treatments in Germany, and we treated here at home for two more in exactly the identical manner.
He is totally lymefree without any co-infections. His major problem was Bartonella, but he had at one time all of them (Borrelia, Ehrlichia, Babesia, Bartonella, Chlamydia, Nanobacter, Rickettsia). The are all gone. He does not test positive for any of them and has no Lyme symptoms that we could identify as such.
He also always showed a viral infection here and there, and a polio flare, which I treated with a Polio nosode, and that is also no longer testing positive.
He has since been releasing heavy metals - to put it mildly - by the tons. For several weeks, almost on his own, without any interference except binding agents to clear them from the body.
He is still doing this, but is also now showing release of fungal toxins and mold.
The sequence of events coincides clearly with what I had always been taught by Dr. K. Infections and metals are keeping house together. Heavy metals produce fungi which act as a protective agent for the body - the mercury would otherwise kill us. But the fungi then also, while acting as a protection, goes through its lifesycles and creates toxins that are as severe as all the other infections. Catch22. With excessive heavy metals still in body, fungi is difficult to get rid of. Ditto mold.
Now that Lyme is gone, metals are leaving much more freely than ever possible before the Bionic 880 treatment, and hopefully taking any remaining symptoms with them. Dr. Woitzel told me again yesterday that the photons are active long after the treatment is finished. My husband is 2 months short of 83 and his body certainly will not rid itself of toxins as a younger person would. So we wait praising every day that shows more improvement, his muscles are coming back, getting the same goodlooking legs he always had; his strength is growing and his weight is increasing; and coordination is steadily improving. He is busy all day and careful, totally painfree, except that he is not running a marathon, but working at the gym twice a week. Not all days are alike, because the toxins leave a trail on their way out. There was a time when he could not move at all and was like frozen in place.
My hope is that even the slightest damage will still be repaired in order for him to be fully and permanently functional.
We now treat for fungi and mold/Aspergillus and the Bionic before attempting heavy meds.
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I also heard yesterday that a group effort was made with CD 57 - several doctors in Germany took part in it - and they now have evidence that CD 57 moves in the right direction following Bionic 880 treatments of Lyme. There is also a combination/comparison study withsome abx patients and some Bionic patients with Lyme. I don't know any details and no results yet. Just started. Dr. W. is not part of it. He just tells me all the bits of news. Nice man.
If Bionic treatment "fails", renewed infection is possible. Start all over again.
That's it for now.
Take care.
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I wonder why the doctor gave me a third appointment 8 days after the second, then if timing is so important according to what GiGi has written. The appointment was originally set for the Thursday, the first being a Friday the second the following Tuesday I believe. However, after the second treatment I was told that my appointment had been changed and would not be that week but the next - for the the Wednesday. The changes were due to the immanent holidays of the doctor I believe. This did not give me the impression that a definite schedule was vital.
I accept that interupting treatment was a bad thing and know that I will probably have to start from the begining again when I find someone to do it if indeed I do decide it is my only option apart from giving up and doing nothing now. If I could have avoided this I would have most certainly. As I had already been in e-mail contact with the doctor, he could easily have reached me this way if he was so concerned to find me.
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So when you go to germany for 3 weeks to have 5-8 treatments.. do you then have to go back 4 weeks later and than a year later??
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Ocean - I was confirmed with lyme in 2000 and had several possible new exposures over the years.
NYjohn - the bionic880 is 5,800 Euros as of yesterday via a phone conversation with the manufacturer.
ticktoxic - sorry to blow your theory out of the water about my other tx. I did not receive ANY ozone infusions.
I received 5 biophoton treatments, each followed by an infusion of magnesium and some things to support the kidneys and liver as I released toxins.
In terms of how deep does light penetrate? I suppose that is of concern if you are treating pain or injuries. The biophotons change the blood during treatment for lyme and is used on specific points.
I would doubt that the treatment "penetrated my appendix" but instead moved so many toxins through the blood that all the infection in my gut was moved to the appendix.
I don't know what 4-5 modalities you are referring to ticktoxic, but that is not the case with me. Biophotons, infusions and 3 homeopathic remedies for organ support.
I did not take anything else while here. Everything with the exception of activated charcoal tested as no use to me.
You suggest that the biophotons can not not kill borrelia and the like. What killed mine then? Solidago or fluid infusions? That doesn't make much sense now does it?
As far as the "believers" being infuriated. I am not infuriated. I am looking forward to going home, living my life, getting lots of exercise, enjoying being with my family as I did pre-lyme, drive to NY to visit my son at college which I have not felt capable of for a year and who knows what else?
Do you understand what I am saying? I have a bright future, I am happy, I feel great and I will not longer fill my time with worrying and toxic thoughts.
Say what you will but that is half the battle my friends and easy enough to do when you find a way to feel good.
Oh yes, and some "happy dancing" with sixgoofy and steelbone along with a deep fried turkey. Private joke, sorry.
I think it was Bob who said light therapy is in it's early stages. You are so right. Dr. W was at a conference last weekend where its use was being discussed for cancer and many other things.
I wish you all the best
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Ticktoxic, you may not believe it - but colonics are also indicated, especially if you have nothing better, at least following these treatments because a huge load is going through the system and the more quickly it finds its way out of the body, the better.
Your name rings a bell, and I seem to remember very vividly some years ago that you protested loudly about my talking and recommending colonics during severe detox. Even light treatments need the best support possible to remove the dead toxins from the body. Often the patient body has lost some of the self-power to take care of things without added support.
Anyone dances to their own drummer! Please dance to yours; I dance to mine. And for thre record: the recent thread on Bionic 880 was initiated by me because I discovered the doctor and his protocol, and it was erased by me, all onehundred and some pages, because people became more and more insulting and fearing worse (normally not my habit), I cut out the "tumor" and tossed it. At this very moment you seem to be starting a repeat performance to where even the very patient and tolerant Six starts to react - so it seems.
So it's time to cool it and to get back to what is important --- the real fact that there is at least one more method to cure Lyme! The Bionic 880 is a 100% hit, if done right and for the right reasons.
I just received in the mail a 4-page brochure in English -- they are having several conference exhibits in Asia apparently. The first page in big letters " Bionic 880 Photon Therapy followed by the drawing of a large tick - followed by the words: Treament of Lyme Disease (Borreliosis) without antibiotics according to Dr. med Ingo D.E,. Woitzel and then the colorful picture of the instrument.
The whole treatment is described and I don't have time to repeat it all. But here is one paragraph - entitled Therapy. ( The translation is rather poor, but I guess good translators are difficult to find / gg)
"Therapy:
The treatment of Lyme disease is a purposeful treatment. By applying the Borrelia nosodes, including Borrelia Afzelli and Borrelia burgdorferi, a decisive load of the cybernetic system takes place. The cell is now subject to negative loading, measurable energetic information and defends itself against this influence. By simultaneous treatment with the photon therapy the cell gets the possibility to elimnate the Borrelia agent from within. This leads to a measurable immune reaction. This can be observed and confirmed by the reaction in the LTT and the serological test (IgG and, ocassionally, IgM).
This brochure goes into all the finer details of how the treatment is done, the diagnosis, the after effects, the treatment to minimize after-effects, etc., and contraindications, etc. Published August 2008.
The text ends with "The basic principle of this Borreliosis therapy by means of photons is successfully applicable to many other cases of illness."
My comment: A reputable manufacturer and a reputable medical doctor does not normally go to the extent of approving or publishing a color brochure filled with lies distributing it throughout the world. The German law would be after them in a hurry.
I do have a collection of a number of different case reports written by real medical doctors and practitioners in Germany describing various cases and treatments. Everyone as fascinating as the next. I am not going to spend my time translating them, for most obvious reasons.
Take care.
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Nana Dubo I am still thrilled to hear you are feeling so good and I am thrilled that Gigi's husband is doing well too.
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And to Nano Dubo --- yupeeee- and blessed be the brave!
Get home safely, and take care.
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Yes, I was starting to lose my patience yesterday (not with you Unexpected ). I don't mind doubters. I know this is new to all of us. My intention at the beginning was that it may or may not work. I believe it will work .... and believer can be used to describe me in other ways, too. I don't like the condescending attitude ..... but now I realize there is no debating with an attitude like that.
Sparkle, yes, using the Lightworks was a big part of my decision to go to Germany. I bought the Lightworks figuring that for $300 I could see if light really does something and knowing that I could not do the whole protocol that Dr. W uses.
Once I started using the Lightworks, I realized it did a lot. I stopped using it (I didn't know if it was doing good or bad for me) and scheduled the trip to Germany.
We continue to use the Lightworks on our bird who is old and had one foot in the grave. She is doing well and looks like a young bird again the way she dances around. The protruding abdomen is gone.
Mati, I do understand your predicament and don't judge you at all! You tried to get it done with a lower budget but didn't plan on your friend bailing on you. I understand.
My point is only that the treatment was not complete. Hopefully some day soon you will be able to do it again.
And Nana, I'm ready for that happy dance and fried turkey!!! I also wish my trip were tomorrow instead of next Saturday!!
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Nana - I am elated for you! It has to be exciting to feel so good!
Stay well.
Gigi - as always, thanks for the info.
Would you be willing to PM me? I would love to talk to you.
Six -- I hope you three have a wonderful time over there!
Be well.
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It all sounds promising. I think it is possible the light alters things by cell signalling. It's not that the light itself "kills" borrelia. Bacteria can shift in response to many inputs. Apparently cranberry turns e. coli into a shape where it is almost unrecognizable (and not pathogenic). So who knows what light does.
And maybe its hogwash who knows. But it sounds interesting. I should try my Lightworks (I bought but I'm trying transfer factor now and I try one thing at a time).
My main problem is going to Germany would be almost impossible right now. And there is no practitioner here qualified. Thus I wish a practitioner *here* would do a training over with Dr. W for 3 months and bring the machine back here.
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Sunshinyday, I do not use the PM facility on Lymenet because I prefer to get my e-mails without going to Lymenet. So you need to e-mail me - [email protected] Glad to talk anytime we can arrange.
Take care.
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GiGi, I have a question, Dr. W told me it was okay to take herbs, but to get off abx and anti-malarials one week before coming to my appt.
Are some herbs not okay? I had started taking some herbs again and they were making me feel a little better.
Thanks for your help. I'd send you an email, but I thought someone else might benefit from this information.
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How long does it usually take for Dr W to return emails???
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Unexpected, too long, LOL. I got impatient and sent him a few .... he eventually did get back to me.
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Dr. W. most the time does not have time to respond to e-mails Like Dr. K., he would have to answer e-mails all day long. He works long hours, and they let me know that they cannot answer most questions anyway because all facts are not there to be considered to answer correctly. The office was closed for three weeks recently - everybody got a rest by going on vacation. It's a great German tradition - they still know when to shut down.
Six, there are herbs that kill and there are herbs that act as drainage and/or balsam. There are anti-malarial herbs. I don't remember exactly what you are taking.
We mainly tried to keep the body drainage going in order to get overthere without feeling congested and "all roads blocked". We only feel poorly, that is my humble opinion, because we are so overloaded with toxins that can't seem to make it out of the body. Just think what we are doing with all the capsules we stuff into ourselves every day. (I have long, long ago stopped all that.)
That is important when you get there to at least start with a fairly open "system", so that when the photons start their work, the body can handle the load smoothly. My husband had no reaction to speak of - rested more and took it easy and tried to make sure the flow-out is in tact. Using common sense.
I wouldnt for that reason take any "killing" herbs and certainly would not take any antibiotics just shortly before going.
Learning to trust and relaxing about all of it is probably the most important thing to do. The body has a funny way to turn into negative body chemistry even - by merely thinking "trouble", "worries", "doubts", etc. I know you understand what I am trying to say.
Turn the worry spigot off - you are going to be in the best of hands.
Take care.
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Thanks, GiGi, I'm pretty relaxed about the whole thing. I do trust I'm in good hands. I have turned the worry spigot off, LOL, and in a few more days I'll turn the PM spigot off, too, ROFL!
For those who PM with me regularly and don't have my email address (or those who I know on the board), feel free to ask for it.
So, things like chlorella, zeolite, etc. are good. That I understand. I couldn't handle the cholestyramine, triggered symptoms just as Dr. S says it will in his videos.
I'm off the prescriptions except for sleep, pain, thyroid.
I'm taking vitamins/minerals, Host Defense (mushrooms), iron, magnesium, etc.
I'm taking Turmeric for inflammation and it's helping.
I take it that things like andographis, samento, artemisia, etc. are no-no's?
Am I missing something?
I'm SO EXCITED!!! Thank you for telling me about this, GiGi, I'm really looking forward to the whole experience.
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ok so how do you contact Dr W if you cant reach him through email??
And how do you get an appointment if you cant ask questions??
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Shandy, If you are planning to go, see if you can schedule your appointment with someone who also plans to go. You might also share the expense of a room and rental car.
Six & Paul -- Wishing you both every success on your trip.
I found the following link and I'll quote part of it:
quote:Biophotonics deals with the interaction between light and biological systems. The word itself is a combination of the Greek syllables bios standing for life and phos standing for light. Photonics is the technical term for all procedures, technologies, devices, etc. utilizing light in interaction with any matter. Before we discuss Biophotonics in more detail, we focus first and foremost on the achievements of Photonic Technologies, which are often used synonymously with Photonics. The advanced control and manipulation of light now available make Photonics as powerful as Electronics. One major goal is to incorporate evenmore photonically driven processes into our daily lives. Therefore, Photonics is considered as a key technology of the twenty-first century. Photonics encompasses the entire physical, chemical and biological laws of nature, together with technologies for the generation, amplification, control, manipulation, propagation,measurement, harnessing and any other type of utilization of light. This rather broad definition of Photonics emphasizes the huge importance of light for our modern human society. Photonics is a key technology for solving momentous problems in the domains of health care, food production and technology, environmental protection, transportation, mobility, etc. It is a pacemaking technology for other developments such as communication and production technology, biotechnology and nanotechnology. Just one brief example of what the near future holds: conventional lighting by light bulbs, neon lamps or fluorescent tubes will be a thing of the past. The new wonder is organic light-emitting diodes (OLED). Those innovative diodes provide more efficient and long-lasting illumination, with energy consumption reduced to a minimum. Thus, the wide-spread application of these diodes will allow our economy to save billion of Euros both on the cost of energy and also on consequential costs, such as, for example, the cost of environmental protection. Furthermore, the use of these diodes for displays will revolutionize graphic screen technology. In comparison to TFT (Thin Film Transistor) screens, an OLED display does not need background illumination. The display has the thickness of a plastic transparency, and its flexibility. Completely new applications, such as the use as ``information wallpaper'', are in the minds of scientists and advertising experts. However, in other fields of Photonics the future has already started. The information carried via the World Wide Web is mainly carried by light. From these few examples, we can recognize that photonic technologies are already pervading our entire life.
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yanivnaced - I started getting pain in my abdomen & diarrhea. I tried a coffee enema & it didn't seem to help much. This went on for about 3 weeks. I had to eat very bland food & I tried a number of detox agents like zeolites, chlorella, non-psylium bowel cleansers, psylium, charcoal, Welchol, probiotics, etc.
I think what helped me most was the psylium & the charcoal (4 caps, 2-3 times a day). I'm still going through it now but to a lesser degree. Some days I'm OK but other days I have loose bowel movements & some abdominal pain.
I did start drinking coffee again (1 cup in the am) & eating regular foods - so, I may have to go back on the bland diet again.
Just so you know - all throughout the 10+ years I've had Lyme I never had any digestive problems. So, the bowel detox event is new & started after using the LightWorks.
I think it's just takes time to detox all the toxins... just like the financial markets & all of the "toxic loans" - LOL
I have been going through great stress in my personal life due to some deaths in the family & an upcoming cross-country move. Otherwise, I feel like I really improved from using the LightWorks.
I would recommend going to see someone professional to do this with if at all possible. I have been studying holistic health for many years on my own so I felt like I would be OK with doing it, myself. It is not easy, though, & it has some very experimental aspects to it.
I don't think I have co-infections & my heavy metal load is not too bad. I had several tests for mercury & they were all very low. I do need to continue to detox & support my colon & other organs.
I do not assume I don't have to detox mercury but I will get to it in time. There are some products I probably should have gotten but I try to do the best I can on a limited budget.
If I could go to see Dr. W in Germany, I would. He seems to be the most experienced in using this method for Lyme. I have seen people use the infrared light with Lyme & they usually feel better at first but then they may have a very toxic reaction to it after a few days.
It seems that the people who use the infrared light & don't have Lyme do not get this same toxic reaction. This is meaningful... It's important to use the infrared light with respect & care if you have Lyme.
I would suggest to anyone who does try the LightWorks to stop using the abx. I'm not a doctor so this is not medical advice but just my experience. I just don't think it's a good idea to use the LightWorks while you are taking abx.
You do have to think outside of the box to try this method but I think it has great merit. Especially, for people who do not get well by using drugs.
I also think that the effects of the infrared light may be cumulative. I have stopped using the infrared light to give my body a chance to detox. If I want to get a bit of a charge - I sit out in the sun for 20 minutes or so. I allow the sunlight to shine on my inner arms where the skin is thin so it can reach my blood.
I think after this stressful period in my life passes, I will continue to get well. It's kind of hard to heal when you're going through alot of intense stress. So, my results have been hampered a bit.
This modality is quite amazing & I hope more research will be done so it can be used for more ailments.
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Okay, I am going to play devil's advocate. I am not saying the bionic treatment does not work, but if it does work, why aren't the people on the sites in Europe and particularly in Germany raving about it?
That is what I don't understand. I am very glad for Nanadubo, but I guess I will wait and see how it all plays out several months from now.
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Hiker -- we've been down this road several times on the threads that were deleted. It appears many of the folks in Germany don't really like to post about their health.
If Dr. W. had seen 2000 patients. How many of them are upset with the treatment versus how many of them are satisfied. You can see the problem, we hear nothing.
This is the scorecard so far:
GiGi's husband has made remarkable improvement Hopingandpraying we're still not sure of Clancy's husband is steadily improving with the osteopath Nanadubo : Going into remission
Nanadubo was probably in the best shape for the treatment. Everyone else was very sick.
Let me pose the question another way: If there were 2000 people. How come we haven't heard of 2000 complaints?
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Is hopingandpraying in Germany right now??? Or were they there previously? It would be nice to know of his/her experience
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hopingandpraying -- was in Germany and has come back. She was there when GiGi and her husband were there. She started to post and got hammered.
It's difficult to say how well her son is doing it was going to take several months to completely detoxify.
Hopingandpraying -- Hope your son is doing much better.
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Experiments with light energy are making everyone happy: farmers, doctors, patients, and astronauts are all reaping the benefits. What began as a way to grow better crops has ended up being a way to help seriously ill patients recover faster. In this case, what's good for plants is also good for people.
It started with Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) developed by NASA Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama and Quantum Devices, Inc., of Wisconsin. The scientists exposed plants aboard the Space Shuttle to the near-infrared light produced by LEDs.
They found that the LEDs increased the energy produced in the mitochondria (energy compartments) of each cell. That meant the cells grew faster. Faster-growing plants are good news for farmers; the faster the plants grow, the sooner they can be harvested, processed, and sold.
Right about the same time, Quantum Devices scientists heard physicians discussing the use of laser therapy for their patients. While laser light did accelerate cell growth and healing in patients, there were some significant drawbacks.
Lasers can cause tissues surrounding the treatment area to become overheated, they're big and expensive, limited in wavelength (color), and they're not very reliable, said Harry T. Whelan, MD, professor of pediatric neurology and director of hyperbaric medicine at the Medical College of Wisconsin.
A light went off, so to speak, and Quantum approached Dr. Whelan about his concerns. Soon they were experimenting to see if using LED instead of laser therapy would improve the quality of treatment for patients.
"LED treatment has been a wonderful advancement," Dr. Whelan says. "LEDs don't heat the tissues the way lasers do; because LED uses longer wavelength (redder) near-infrared light, it penetrates the tissues deeper. And where lasers are more pinpointed in their delivery, LED can treat the entire body.
That's useful for treating people with serious burns, crush injuries, and complications of cancer chemotherapy and radiation treatment, where large portions of the body are involved."
LED therapy has been used successfully with diabetic skin ulcers, burns, and severe oral sores caused by cancer treatment. The redder the light, the longer the wavelength, and the longer the wavelength, the more deeply it can penetrate body tissues, Dr. Whalen says.
The near-infrared light rays produced by LED are longer than (and therefore superior to) lasers, and Dr. Whelan asserts that this improved therapy could extend to treating brain tumors and injuries. Animal experiments being conducted now direct LED through the head without the use of any surgery.
When LED light is used to activate light-sensitive chemotherapy drugs to destroy cancer it is dubbed Photo Dynamic Therapy (PDT). LED light is otherwise used without drugs to stimulate normal cell chemicals, for healing and tissue regeneration.
"LED reacts with cytochromes in the body," says Dr. Whelan. "Cytochromes are the parts of cells that respond to light and color. When cytochromes are activated, their energy levels go up, and that stimulates tissue growth and regeneration.
The potential to regenerate tissue, muscle, brain, and bone opens the door to helping people with diseases that previously had no hope of treatment."
The good news about using LED therapy to speed healing made its way back to the space program. Muscle and bone atrophy are well documented in astronauts because microgravity slows the healing process, and alters the function and structure of every cell's mitochondria, Dr. Whelan says.
The result is that wounds are slow to heal, and muscles and bones become weaker from time spent in space. The idea of using LED therapy with astronauts sounded appealing.
"Using an LED array to cover an astronaut may help prevent the effects of microgravity," says Dr. Whelan. "LED therapy could also be used to help treat conditions that could arise in space that don't respond to treatment because of those microgravity situations.
A simple cut might heal faster with LED, but the benefits would be even more notable if an astronaut suffered a severe injury."
Here on Earth, Dr. Whelan says that LED therapy can easily affect our entire population. "Not everyone may need to use LED treatments for themselves, but just about everyone has known someone with cancer or a severe injury," he says. "Knowing that there is hope for diseases that used to have no treatment is good news for everyone."
Courtesy of NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate Published by NASAexplores: April 19, 2001 Information in this article was accurate as of the publication date. For the latest updates about this project, visit the NASA homepage (http://www.NASA.gov).
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Sorry if I came off sounding negative. I so want this to be a cure or at least put the lyme and bart into remission, but every time I get my hopes up over a treatment they seem to have been dashed.
I fully support anyone who is going over there and look forward to hearing the results during their stay or when they get back.
Blessings to you Sixgoofykids and Steelbone.
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It is my firm conviction that every single one of this group who has been overthere so far and has come back has not only had Lyme as a problem, but one or more others.
Everyone that has been there cleared the Lyme out of their system after a certain number of treatments.
As I have been posting here for many years, as a norm, people do not get deadly ill from Lyme alone. Usually there are other contributing or major factors that finally broke the body down. This has been the case in myself and everyone that I have come to know and share information with.
All - HopeandPraying's son, Clancy's husband, my husband, all cleared the Lyme. All now have to attend to other problems the still face.
Two very sick young people, friends, were overthere after us. One very ill who is very well now. The other vastly improved but still some work to do - which one is not sure, but EMF is or was part of the problem that they tackled right after coming back.
Hopeandpraying's son stayed in a "wireless" hotel and had to return home not well. He totally cleared all Lyme. But EMF has to be addressed in home, etc.
To delve into these other aspects while the people are overthere for Lyme treatment is very difficult, because three weeks are almost taken up by the Lyme treatments.
I find it now so much easier not to find or have to treat Lyme any longer and being able to concentrate on what is remaining of the troublemakers. As far as I am concerned, the toughest part - stopping the Lyme from doing further damage - is over and done with. The photons continue to do their work, and of course it helps to continue at home with the Bionic instrument. I don't know what I would do without it now that I have discovered all that can be done with it. Right now I am treating mold until, if necessary, before we can get the very expensive medicine for Aspergillus. I don't really want to use it unless we have to, so we give the body a chance with photons. I treat with a fungal nosode and I treat with a teeny droplet of my husband's blood. All very, very carefully with only seconds, often under one minute, of application of the frequency and other factors that I learned to test with the Biotensor. I don't know what all is hiding in the place, but photons and resonance may just do their part.
There is no doubt in my mind that all who have had the disease a long time have other problems that must be addressed.
As I posted here before, in great detail which I will no longer do, I talked to several people in Germany, one a close family friend, who had the treatment. They all, except one, were well after a few weeks. Our family friend was cured of Lyme and well after the 3rd treatment, but did all five nevertheless. She is a lady a bit younger than I - about 70.
Only one lady I talked to left after the treatments with still the same pains, that totally resolved within - I think she said - 5 to 6 weeks, without any further treatment. She was told to just take it easy for a while and wait it out. She is also totally well when I called her and very happy.
I have more phone numbers and permission to call others. But I won't. It's useless and you all have heard enough. I understand that it is difficult to learn to trust - but distrust is one of the worst hindrances to find good.
Take care.
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Here is a comment by a German lymie and my response to her:
999belladonna "This German Doctor, who speaks about 2000 cured people , doesn't tell the truth. No way this is possible. I'm very active in the German lyme-net and not ONE person talked about sucessful treatment. If it was true, that people got cured - we would have heard about it. Sorry for that. By the way, I caught my first lymeinfection in California, 20 years ago. Nice souvenir.."
Response:
"Hi 999belladonna,
I am considering going at the end of the month, so thank you for this information. However, I'd like to know if there has been negative feedback on the machine either? There's a significant difference between one-sided feedback vs. little feedback at all.
Thanks for your input!"
I will post if/when I get a response from her.
-joey
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Mo, would you believe that I have been traveling to Germany several times a year for the last ten years, living less than 45 minutes away from the doctor's office who had discovered this treatment method some 8 years ago?
I have met hundreds of Klinghardt therapists overthere and not one of them knew about this way of treatment. They did and do everything very similar with light, going around in circles with homeopathics and color and lights and, and, and. I had all of that, but not in the combination as the Woitzel protocol, and it took me five plus years to get well that old way. Nobody put it together in one solid 3 week package as it is done today.
They are doing some 60 seminars annually introducing the Bionic which is being used by some 200 practitioners, more by now, all over Europe. It is used for many different applications up to including after cancer tumor care, etc. Very few outside of that circle know about it ......
Does anyone want to guess why? The instrument by law, I believe, can only be sold to licensed practitioners? Does that give you a clue why it has not spread around the world yet?
Well, number one, most of them don't know how to identify Lyme to begin with. Only the people that have figured that out can then benefit using the Bionic880. I listened to Dr. W's power point presentation to groups of doctors, etc. The majority of the 1-2 hour talk consists of vaccinating the people that Lyme is a problem, that it is everywhere, and that it is literally impossible to diagnose. That takes up most of the lecture. The treatment itself is explained in a very short time, because it is so simple ----
We are so programmed: when my brother first mentioned to me about "this doctor who treats Lyme with photons" - I looked at him, and filed it away in the back of my brain. Just another light. A month after I returned home and my husband was still suffering, I started to dig into the "photon treatment". All I remembered was the city where the doctor practices and the word photons. Google found it and solved my husband's problems with Lyme, permanently.
Take care.
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I am seriously thinking about going over myself after Six gets back with her experience.
I'm sorry if this has already been answered, but how can you communicate with them to make an appoint, know where to stay etc., if they all speak German and I don't?!
Any help would be appreciated. I don't have much experience with international travel, so if I do go, I'd be totally lost! Anyone else interested in going perhaps in February or so of 2009?
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Rachelle, the nurses/assistants speak enough English and they will understand you. Just call the office and ask for an appointment. You will have to time your call to catch them in the office. If you call from Arizona, they are 8 or 9 hours ahead of you. So you would have to call them from your home at 6 AM to reach them at 2 PM. Don't call on Wednesday and Friday afternoons - they are closed starting at 1 PM.
If you speak slowly and clearly, they will understand you and can speak with you good enough so that you understand.
You could also call from your home around midnight if you are still up that late and reach them at 8 AM. I think they start about 7:30 AM and often go til late in the evening, except Wed and Fri.
Hope this helps. If you can't make the connection, do not leave a message on their answering machine. That is hard for them to understand when people talk fast, etc. And the don't have time to listen and listen again to the recorded messages.
If you really want a date and can't get through, you can e-mail me and I will help you.
Take care.
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I guess I smell because everytime I have a question for GiGi I get NO response but EVERYONE else does.... Talk about giving a lymie a complex who already has neuro lyme!
I think I am just about all set with this thread now... I see what going on and I can smell it from a mile away.
Good Luck everyone! Six I will be looking for your progress and wish you the VERY best in Germany!!!
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Unexpected, I have answered the question about having to go back to Germany earlier in this thread. It is very difficult answer at this time. Please read it all and read it carefully. That is why I didn't respond to you specifically. You turn of and walk away the minute you hear one negative word. Read the whole thread from beginning to end, plus there are many other discussions on the same subject within other threads.
To answer your question, I don't think anyone is going back every month. We will not either. Some people buy the instrument and they can help themselves that way. And if you are near someone who has one or a group is forming that has one - I am sure you could get help. It takes some initiative on your own part - find someone who can do energetic testing to find out if you remain clear of Lyme. Most people are as is evident by an almost non-existing relapse rate. Again, read all.
To first thing Dr. Woitzel in his Power Point presentation to doctors is the comment that patients have to become active in their own way to help themselves. This is partially a do-it-yourself cure - especially when it comes to attitude.
Can't you see how I work my butt off here to help some people - but you need to come back with a more positive input - besides "Lyme sucks". It turns me off. So you may want to think about an "attitude adjustment" - that's what my mother used to tell me ------when things didn't seem to want to go my way.
Further, most people stay until they clear the Lyme. And there are practically no relapses unless you take antibiotics when you take the treatment, or you get infected again. Misdiagnosis would show up on your first testing there. There is lots of talk here about people not coming back symptomfree for various reasons even though the Lyme bacteria has been eradicated - read it all.
The protocol as I described it has been in effect for a number of years for mostly the German or European patients. They have no problem getting checked periodically afterward. There are people in this country that do energetic testing. Or you can learn to use a Biotensor. A number of people are using it or learning to use it.
Hope this helps.
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well Gigi... My attitude reflects my frustration. I have been in my bed for almost 2 years... After the birth of my daughter whom I cannot even take care of.... AT ALL. I have to watch my baby and my son from my bed everyday because I cannot function. I have to watch my family go on with life without me...
I have tried EVERYTHING, and nothing works so yes I am ****ed and say lyme sucks because lyme has taken EVERYTHING from me. My ability to function, be a mom, be a wife and live life. No I am not the ONLY one... But I don't understand how this happened because I was COMPLETEY fine before I got pregnant for my daughter. Hence my frustration and fear... so sometimes it is hard to be positive.
I am 25 years old and confused with severe neuro symptoms. I think you should be a little more compassionate towards people. I look up to the people who are older and have been through this hoping for help, but all I get is that I have a bad attitude and read the thread on Bionic880... when by the way being on the computer makes me SICK, makes my neuro symptoms so bad I feel like passing out sometimes.
I am lost and always crying out for help but don't seem to get it. I am sorry I ever asked for it. There is only so much a person can do from their bed. If I have a chance to live my life and take care of my family... I would DO IT.
Now that I am in tears, I will go on my way and hope I find something that will allow me to get better and be here for my children.
I am easily swayed because I just don't believe everything everyone says without proof. I don't want to fall victim to lies and false hope.. If you take that as me being negative and having a bad attitude... well I am sorry you feel that way... I was under the impression that this was a board for help and support, and asking questions.
I think I need a little more proof before getting my weak body on a plane to another country and paying thousands of dollars.
I am not saying this doesn't work, but I just can't risk anything right now in my state of health.
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Unexpected you've simply described chronic lyme. That's what it is and what it does it takes away your life.
If you wait it out more people will go and you are likely over time to form a more accurate impression.
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Sent you PM UnexpectedIlls.
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I do remember you saying that the bionic is sorta stuck in a vacuum for the time being. I will try to keep that in mind.
But with that said, I just wanted to post 999belladonna's response to my comment on the bionic youtube:
999belladonna --
Sorry, if I put doubt in your plans.
No, no negative comments in public so far. Only one person who had done it, told about no effects it had on him - except empty purse.;-)
They're starting a documented try now and I'm considering to be part of it. That means 4 weeks including 8 treatments and intake of the immunregulating "Viathen".
I had talked with other users of the Biophoton (Homoeopaths). They all said, the treatment with the machine alone wouldn't be sufficient.
-joey
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Thanks, Joey. With her talking about 8 treatments and with those other people saying the light alone doesn't work, it sounds as though they're not using Dr. W's protocol??
It's good to hear, anyway, that the people who are well just aren't posting. I think we all know logically that a very small percentage of Lymies actually post on message boards, so it's entirely conceivable to me that the 2000 just haven't posted. And given how many totally well Lymies we have post here it makes it even more believable.
Nonetheless, I have nothing to lose. Even Dr. B's most recent presentation says to stop treatment for a while, then to hit it hard, so even from the perspective of Dr. B's protocol, I'm on track with my abx break.
BTW, I am learning to use the Biotensor and will come back with a machine. I have kids I am concerned have Lyme and I want to see if this works before I drag them to Dr. J in CT. Dr. H took care of my 15 year old, but I don't know that he'd take a 10 year old.
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Hello first of all I am not a big poster but I read a lot and me and Six share the same LLMD and talk quite a bit.
I know you say you are not at liberty to give out or release Dr. W.'s. power point presentations but you did mention that he is lecturing and giving these presentations around Europe.
I know of a Dr. here in Ohio that is interested in learning and using the Bionic 880 and I am trying to help gather as much information for her as possible. What is the best way to go about this as you also mentioned that there was not a lot out there on the machine too. Any information or literature would be great.
SIX-- Dr. H. will most likely take your 10 year old as he took my son and he was just 11 yrs old when we went. Of course Dr J may have more interest and knowledge on children as that is his specialty.
But that all said, I agree that a try with the machine that you bring back will be great and then hopefully you will not need to see either one of the Dr's.
Stacy
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Mo,
quote:I do remember you saying that the bionic is sorta stuck in a vacuum for the time being. I will try to keep that in mind.
My answer: If you are referring to sending the Bionic into the US, I do not think it is stuck in a vacuum. It was shipped to Canada, the people paid a small amount of customs duty and are the happy owners of one. The one we had ordered just somehow got stuck -- nobody to this day knows why it sat in some storage building in Ohio -- but that does not mean that it cannot be sent here. My husband and I got tired waiting and went and got ours before treatment at the "already in the plans" visit at Dr. Woitzels.
If I needed two machines, I would try it in an instant to have another one shippped. There is no law that says it cannot be sent into this country. None whatsoever. Hundreds of different light instruments reach this country every day.
But with that said, I just wanted to post 999belladonna's response to my comment on the bionic youtube:
999belladonna --
Sorry, if I put doubt in your plans.
No, no negative comments in public so far. Only one person who had done it, told about no effects it had on him - except empty purse.;-)
They're starting a documented try now and I'm considering to be part of it. That means 4 weeks including 8 treatments and intake of the immunregulating "Viathen".
I had talked with other users of the Biophoton (Homoeopaths). They all said, the treatment with the machine alone wouldn't be sufficient.
My answer to the documented try mentioned by Belladonna:
I told about this trial already in this thread above, I think. In fact, there are several trials going at this time. Dr. Woitzel is not taking part in it. I did not ask him why. It is probably too time-consuming I also know that there is always some little extra modality that he uses on this patient or that patient, depending on the patient's condition. In other words, the treatment rarely consists of pure Bionic880 treatment only. Then it is no longer a trial -- same application for everybody.
Sometimes he adds ozone afterwards, sometimes he adds structural treatments/corrections; sometimes he addresses emotional aspects. Other doctors I have talked with all say the same thing -- they all do the little additive to open or unblock the system, so that the Bionic can do the work, or ease the toxic reactions.
I agree that the machine alone would not be sufficent for the majority of people, because the majority of people do not only come in with Lyme Disease. In most cases, something else besides Lyme Disease has to be dealt with, before or after. I have been saying this since October 2000 when I first started to post on this board.
Is it Lyme -- is it fungus -- is it metals --- is it mold --- is it a wisdom tooth --- is it a root canal --- is it an unresolved emotional conflict --- is it a problem with the physical structure -- is it ongoing EMF exposure --- is it geopathic stress exposure --- is it an allergic incompatibility that has to be resolved -----??? -- living in a mold infested surrounding --- a body full of phthalates - formaldehyde - heavy metals - insecticides - pesticides ----- radiation exposure ---? a gut full of bad parasites --- None of that is directly related to the Lyme. What came first is always the question. I don't know the answer. But all are good enough reasons to agree that Bionic alone cannot do it in three weeks. I am still treating my husband for some of the very ones I listed here. But he no longer has Lyme.
In most cases, Lyme infection is eliminated with the Bionic880. That's why the high success rate. but additional problems have to be solved which are not Lyme and may need different approaches/treatments, and most likely are not eliminated with the antibiotic approach alone, or herbals that address bacterials.
Got to go and have breakfast - my husband is cooking waffles!
Most people overlook on or two of more of the above incomplete list. I am fully convinced that it is never Lyme alone.
Take care.
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Stacy, I told a few posts above that the manufacturer and Dr. Woitzel published a brochure in August 2008, which I have a copy of. I described and copied part of the brochure in my earlier post above. It gives every minute detail related to the treatment of Lyme with the Bionic 880. It is in English and very readable - I also explained that the major portion of the power point presentation is explaining to the novices that Lyme is hard to diagnose, the why's, etc. But the treatment is explained in every detail, including the use of nosodes, type, strength, how to...........
I would suggest you call or e-mail the manufacturer of the Bionic and ask him to send you one. Germans do a lot of things the old-fashioned way - a brochure by snail-mail. But as for explaining the treatment, that is the best the have put out, even if it is a poor translation from German.
Now I have got to have my coffee and waffles.....
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I did notice the posts on what you mentioned and thought you may have more info... but I will do as you suggested and contact the manufacturer.
Enjoy your meal.
Stacy
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Alv, your PM box is full. I'll answer here since I know others will have the same question - I'm sorry, but I am not asking Dr. W any questions for other people.
It's not that I don't care, it's that I know from my experience with my LLMD here that I have trouble enough remembering my own questions.
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I want to go see Dr. Woitzel because I want the whole package and all of his experience treating others not just the use of the light machine.
It sounds like at least for starters the use of IV's for what each patient is going through and the chiropractic adjustments and everything that the Doctor feels each patient needs to recover is as important as use of the Bionic 880.
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