did you just book your appt and flights and all on a short notice?
was it pretty easy to do it that way?
i'm thinking that i would try in february but i might as well go sooner if it is that easy to "get in."
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nyjohn - I made my appointments etc. well in advance because I knew when exactly I wanted to go. Others have made appointments fairly quickly.
I would suggest making the appt. with Dr. W if you know when you want to go and then watch the air fares if you want. I think they will be getting busier and busier, although it sounds as though folks are not so eager to travel there in the winter.
Just my opinion.
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i made my appointment for the 23rd a week ago... so that's about a 1 month queue.
The problem with going in the winter is, it's likely to snow starting late november. That may be a problem getting around from, say, the Klein guesthouse we're all staying at, to Pforzheim to see the doc (30 min drive). I've heard there is a bus connecting the two, but I'm not too sure about whether it runs in the winter? Maybe others can chime in on this
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Yes, winter is starting. But trains and buses, most German's lifelines, are going to run. I have never missed a day's school, which necessitated a train, because of snow. Schools therefore are rarely closed -- and so is everything else.
The roads are cleared early in the AM, because so many people depend on trains and buses, much more I think that here.
As long as you do not need a wheelchair to get around, which makes it more difficult in some trains, and are not afraid of driving in winter weather, you should be okay.
Wait until spring and summer if you don't feel comfortable. Both bus and train systems are fabulous in most of Europe, but especially in Germany. When the big hand of the clock reaches the full minute indicated on the schedule, the train pulls out! Summer or winter, with hardly an exception. That is the only way a rail system, with so many trains going in all directions, can function.
I did a lot of driving last fall and early this year, Jan - Mar in Germany when things were white - and I managed fine. But stick to your comfort level. Dr. Woitzel and the Bionic880 are going to be there later, hopefully.
Take care.
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Yes, I would imagine the Germans are used to dealing with the snow as you say GiGi. I know when it snows a "normal" amount for us, it's business as usual whereas a little south of here it would shut things down for a couple days. Last spring we got a rare blizzard and it shut us down for a couple days .... but that was not normal for us.
NYJohn, I made the appt. with Dr. W about six-eight weeks out, then booked with Mrs. Klein at the guesthouse, then made my plane reservations. It was really pretty easy though we were calling for our appt with Dr. W during a holiday week in Germany, so it took time for him to get back to us
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quote:Originally posted by steelbone: i love driving in the snow
Okay, I take back what I said earlier .... if there's any snow, I'm driving! I don't love driving in the snow, but I'm rather good at it.
Yeah, in the north, snow is a way of life, you have to learn to deal with it.
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Nana & GiGi- thanks for your reply about the hospital stay. I was just curious. I hope I didn't sound nosey. I don't have health insurance.
I'm not planning on going just yet but I think it's something to consider if you do decide to go. Be sure to get travel insurance just in case you need any further medical assistance!
Especially, if you don't have regular health insurance.
Good trip to everyone!
I haven't been to Germany but I've been to other European countries in the winter & it was never a problem for me. You just need to bring appropriate clothing.
Some European places have a bit less heating than in the US, though. You may want to include long johns...
I live near NYC & it gets very cold & icy here - so, I guess I'm used to it.
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this is all so exciting.
i'm really happy for you, nanadubo.
my question is: it seems to me that it's necessary to purchase a bionic 880 to preclude having to return to germany every month for checkups? unfortunately, the bionic is much too expensive for me and i would never be able to afford it. i'm wondering if eventually we can group folks together by area and all chip in for shared machines.. though of course it would be ideal to have a trained practitioner overseeing testing and any further treatment that might be necessary.
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To slightly change the subject, I have been helping my husband detox the heavy metals that are really coming full force since the Bionic/Lyme treatment cleared.
Today I did a urin test (husband) and found the following: Mercury, lead, nickle und cadmium. I found fungal toxins. I found the following xenobiotics:
HALO Group = Iodine, chlorine bromine, fluoride, energy Boost 70, Vermaplex, Multi Vitamins
I found the DDT Group = Diazinon: insecticide and its residue DDE; Dieldrin: Insecticide, long lasting and highly toxic Demon. Posticide used in homes and office buildings.
I found CBC Group = Captan, used as fungicie on fruits and flowers. Coumaphos: Organ phosphorus systemic insecticide administered especially to cattle and poultry as feed addidive. Bromophos: Pesticide.
In another post today I said that the photons from the Bionic instrument keep on being effective and this is clear evidence of the effects of the treament with photons, way beyond simply Lyme. I have never specifically treated the environmental toxins with the Bionic. They are just coming out with the rest of the Lyme.
This confirms to me again what Dr. K. has been preaching that Lyme always has company: it never was alone, but has many companions (besides co-infections), all of which must go or at least be reduced to regain total health. My husband was still gainfully employed at the age of 70, flying around the country in perfect health - I don't think he ever took an aspirin in his life!
I keep looking to find the bottom of the barrel. So glad I have this tool. Wishing I could share it with all. But doing my best to convince someone to get one.
The friend I have treated with our Bionic came by today. He still is totally lymefree almost a month after the last treatment. Today I tested him and also found heavy metals and fungi. He feels "good, light and clear". He had been sick since I met him in 1998. He looks like a different person from what he was even a year ago.
Take care.
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Hey people going to Pforzheim, if you come down to south of Germany (2.5 hour drive from dr. W.), contact me. I live just next to Konstanz, we can take a tea or coffee together!
Send me a PM!
There's also a fantastic homeopathic nosode that I use for years now to prevent new ticks with borrelia to bite us. It works very well, ask dr. W. where you guys can purchase a Borrelia nosode LM4 or LM6. You only need one bottle and it'll last years for about 25 dollars.
After the Bionic, not getting re-infected is the most important, I suppose.
These nosodes are sold in Switzerland, but I don't know if they are sold in Germany.
Wishing you guys good luck. Selma
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hi selma! always good to see your posts here.
are you planning on getting dr. w's treatment, by any chance? i'm going to follow everyone's progress and if things keep looking up i may try to make an appointment for sometime next summer. would be awesome to meet you!!
best wishes to everyone heading over there, i cannot wait to hear the success stories!
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Hey Heiwalove,
Good to see you here too. I'm not following everything in lymenet now, but the Bionic seems promising. I'm symptomless and not treating lyme at all.
How are you doing? Hopefully better than a few months ago!!
I'm treating yeast-fungi now, trying Sanum products for the moment, having some strange but good experiences.
But I know lyme can come back at any time as it did before. I never could drop all herbs for borrelia before, like now though. Now it's the great first time since 2005 that I take zero stuff for lyme, not even astragalus or cats claw.
I know it's fully dormant for the first time after first infection!
Absolutely nothing tests (ART or muscle tests).
For the first time too I'm not reacting to EMFs like before. I can spend hours here in this same computer that would have made me so sick in minutes not too long ago.
Another thing that changed lately is the cold extremeties I had much before lyme. Still not solved, but I feel less desperate (I had frozen hands and feet even during mild weather).
So things are slowly improving. It is so true that our problems are not only borrelia.
I'll try Photon Wave in the next days to clear mercury (said to work in 3 sessions, who knows?), the woman who'll treat me knows the company that produces the Bionic, she said it is good stuff too.
The principle of Photon Wave is light through the eyes plus homeopathics (mercury, whatever), then the body does the rest. Each session lasts few minutes.
It seems PW can be used with borrelia nosodes too. I wonder though how to measure if it worked in my case, as lyme is fully dormant for the moment.
Let's see what is the outcome with PW and then decide if I go to Pforzheim sometime this winter or spring. It's a bit hard to treat when one is symptomless but I don't want to regret later!
I hope you are feeling better!!
Selma
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Selma, I have tested and tested with every means since treatments with Bionic880 (June-July), --- no sign of Lyme in any category - no coinfections - no Epstein Barr. None. Not at any nosode potency - highest or lowest.
Just heavy metals running out - and now followed by fungi/mold.
Exactly by the book as preached by Dr. K. -- "all hang out together." One goes, all others are vulnerable and go. I keep getting the advice, to just remove one intruder after the other - if I can still find one.
The remaining chore is much easier, because the major players are gone, which makes all energetic testing much more distinct/cleaner, picking the ongoing treatment is decided by energetic testing and, if done properly, all remains smooth and uneventful, except reducing what is left of the accumulation during years of the diseased state.
I hope everyone will have a chance for photons, the right kind, soon. All good things take time.
I love it, I love it. It feels so good to watch it happening to my husband.
Take care.
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There is another success report I received today:
Another person from the US is done with treatment and cleared all Lyme. Feeling relatively good and very excited - after many years of Lyme.
The person does not normally post and probably most of them are getting shy about doing so - remembering the type of reception they receive here. Just remember, I didn't tell you fairytales when I first told about the Bionic back in May - it is all for very, very real.
Take care.
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This new person you reported on--where was she or he treated with the bionic 880? Hiker53
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It would be great if they post their testimonials here. I believe the bashers are at bay. If you have had the treatment we would certainly like to hear from you and will do our best to protect your comments and support you as best we can.
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Sorry - not Gigi, but I know of a woman who arrived in Germany a week after I did and is leaving there today. She will most likely post and is lyme free. I believe it is the same person Gigi referred to.
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Fascinating. I go back to the idea that a practitioner go over there and train. Going to Germany is really a hardship financially and physically for a lot of us.
I'm going to ask my friend who is helping open a center here, again, to consider it. She has a guy who has done ART and homeopathics for 20 years. Its just up his alley. Someone needs to go over and be present with Dr. W and really get a feel for how he does it, I believe.
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Selma, re: the nosode--who makes it? I remember you posting about this on LymeAid Buhner. Do you really prevent tickbites with it?
Thats really interesting. DO you use both LM's and you take it before you go on a hike in the woods or something?
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O2babe, with the inexpensive rooms and cost of medical treatment, I really think it's cheaper to treat in Germany than to go somewhere in the US for three weeks. The ticket is more, but everything else is less.
Of course, if we all had docs locally it would be different ... but this is my perspective of having to travel by airplane to see my LLMD.
I agree, it would be great if we had more options.
I leave tomorrow, and no, I don't have my blog set up. Time has gotten away from me and having my herx yesterday and the day before made me have to drop the least urgent of my tasks. I will post it when I get it set up .... hopefully tonight.
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Six, Ruth, and all the rest who are going to Germany,
I hope you come back feeling wonderful and completely Lyme-free!
Nana, Congrats on your successful trip!
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My issues are not expense, actually. It's flying: I have some ear and balance issues, from blowing out my ear in a hyperbaric session at Julia's--boejr here at lymenet--she has a monochamber where you lie flat and I suspect she pressurized me too fast and I unknowingly did not equalize the left ear. It was excruciating pain later that day and filled with fluid and has never been teh same since. I continue with my home hyperbaric. I used her chamber that one time when my chamber was out for repair for a seam leak, and gone for a month. This was a few years ago. I've done a ton of hyperbaric in clinics and at home with no problem, but that one session WAS a problem, and I don't know why, so I don't want anyone to get the impression that this is a typical risk with hyperbaric as I did THREE solid months in multichambers in clinics without a single ear problem, and years at home with no problem. I don't know what the issue was with that and so I don't enjoy flying since then unless I have to because of my ear popping. In addition, my lyme symptoms get worse on a plane because of low oxygen. I don't speak German except if I quote the poet Rilke ha ha. I have chemical sensitivities and mold sensitivities and could end up in a hotel room that was unsafe for me. There are so many uncertainties and that is why I'd rather be here in my own country given all these issues it could be so stressful, I mean, I'd rather BUY a machine myself and learn how to use it, but I feel that the reports from the doctor show he is simply a good clinician (Nana Dubo's appendix) and you can't make up for that, so that I feel a practitioner here should study with him. We'll see.
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o2babe you could take a ship to Europe and drive. You don't have to take a plane. Just a thought.
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There are many reasons why someone would not want to undertake this journey.
I had a hundred reasons not to take my husband in a wheelchair - not an easy task for someone my age. There is another Lyme person in a wheelchair overthere now, and my hope and prayer follow her every day. The desire, the will to overcome has to be very strong.
The first trip I took on, by myself when still very sick, I had a bloody nose all the way over and could not remember at times which airport I was at...... We have taken many trips to seek help, even when we both were still ill; this was by far the most rewarding.
I talk a lot to myself - positive talk!
Take care.
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I know I am way too sick to travel... I am actually very scared of what a trip like that what do to me...
I wonder if the Bionic880 gets rid of Neuro symptoms? These are the symptoms that keep me ill and bedridden
constant dizziness, body feels constanty in motion, feel like I am constantly on an elevator or treadmill while trying to walk... veering off... severe head pressure... any movement makes all these symptoms much worse. When I travel to my LLMD which goes into a higher altitude.. I get VERY sick.
I am looking for anything to get rid of these horrible neuro symptoms I have been living with for 18 months straight 24/7
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UnexpectedIls, I was not too keen on a long trip myself. I was fully anticipating feeling much worse from the trip than before I got on the plane.
My mantra was, "just get there, just get there, just get there."
The choice for me was to either continue to feel ill, or to risk feeling even worse due to the trip and have faith that I would be well after being treated.
It seems huge but in retrospect, a small price to pay to feel great and not live through that for more months, more years etc.
Having someone there to support you and look after you is very important.
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Is it safe to assume that when you go, give yourself about 3 weeks for your return flight back to the states?
What and where is the best place to stay while there? I'm seriously considering going around February of 2009 if I can financially pull it off.
I would be interested too, if there are others on here from Arizona, to purchase a machine together and share. I suppose that would only work if we all lived in the Phoenix area.
Thanks!
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Three weeks is what most are doing. I think some really sick people that dont buy the machine are staying for 4 weeks. I could be wrong about this.
Sorry i dont have the link to where i'm staying.
When I get back i could give u all kinds of details about the trip.
That would be wonderful. I haven't traveled outside the US much, besides Mexico, and would be totally lost!!! That is all I need on top of being sick...getting lost in Germany and not finding my way home!
When are you going to Germany? I will definitely hold on to your email and get in touch with you when you return.
Thanks a lot!
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Hello there folks. The economic collapse in our country makes plans for visiting Dr. W uncertain for me now. Nevertheless I will enjoy more healing stories from Six, Steel and co. So far I have questions on testing: energetic and muscle ones. If someone has this info, share it pls.
Best of luck to all.
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i'm leaving tomorrow. 7:25 pm flight me and 2 others. Plus a 4th coming a week later... So i will be able to give you some real good feed back. We will try and post updates while we are there. But no gaurantees
May you come home leaving the old behind and bodies renewed!
Six, Did you tell Dr. H and L about your trip? What did they think?
Lastly where can we read your blog?
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TS, nothing. Dr. H said basically nothing, we just talked about his treatment of me and my need to be off meds for a time. He showed no opinion, which was the right thing for him to do since he was unfamiliar with the technology.
I'm not intentionally keeping my blog spot secret ... I just haven't set it up yet, ROFL!!! I may just do it at myspace to keep it simple.
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Have a safe trip Six, Steel and the other person... sorry I dont know your name!!
Steel... Thank you for your kind words!!
Nana-- How are you doing??
I wish you all healing to the highest degree!!
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Very excited to leave. Thanks to all for your well wishes. Like Paul said...we will try to post our progress if possible.
Take care, Ruth
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Post and let us know how you're doing.
Bob yeah right, cargo ship for me . I think not, I'd rather buy a machine for myself! Let's see how people do. I feel I could convince a practitioner to take this on if it really is legitimate, and go study with Dr W for a few weeks.
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"TS, nothing. Dr. H said basically nothing, we just talked about his treatment of me and my need to be off meds for a time. He showed no opinion, which was the right thing for him to do since he was unfamiliar with the technology."'
My doc in here in nyc has also said absolutely nothing and refuses to talk about this? I wonder why most docs do not want to reach out more to find out more.
PS Does any1 know how the different groups who have bought the 880 (maryland group etc) on their own are doing with it? thanks, Jeremy
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jl: the bionic is considered energetic medicine, there have been no clinical trials on its usage for anything. It is solely experimental for the time being, and I imagine it will be pigeonholed like this for years.
LLMDs are already sticking out their necks to treat us with long-term antibiotics when that goes against IDSA guidelines. It's one thing to alter dosage and duration of conventional treatments, it's another thing entirely to start trumpeting an experimental treatment with no listed side effects or official safety record.
I take it as a good sign that top docs are voicing no opinion on this. When I asked my west coast Dr. H if he had any thoughts about me going to germany, he said "None. I have one patient there right now." I view that as him being in wait-and-see mode. After all, they could just say the idea is garbage! But LLMDs have seen crazy ideas such as rife, hyperbaric, ondamed, homeopathics, become almost standard conjunctive lyme treatment over the years.
-joey
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i am thinking i might even go over in the end of november, depending how you 3 progress and report!
enjoy germany, too!
john
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