I guess I was wondering if you were to go back over a year if you would still do the bionic or would you only do AI? Or would you do AI first and then do the bionic? Please do not misunderstand me, I am not trying to be critical.
I am trying to figure out if AI alone will clear up the system enough that Lyme would then be killed off and no antibiotics or bionic infrared photons needed.
Sorry if I was unclear.
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Lee,
Over 1 1/2 years ago I too was considering the bionic 880 treatment to get rid of lyme. I was already booked to go!
Fortunately for me, it was suggested by over a dozen lymenet posters who had gone to Germany to do the bionic, that I should do the AI therapy first...and see if I even need the bionic. Many had limited success.
Well, they were right to suggest this. I now no longer have a reason to use the bionic....so I did not waste my time, money and energy for a very expensive treatment that I could not do near home.
I hear photons do wonders for people...but the point others have told me only after their own experience is that photons move metals and pathogens...and can cause more problems if your detox pathways are not addressed first as well as the ability for your body to recognize the metals, etc...
Also, the chat began about the need to remove mercury amalgams pre-photon treatment.
Those doing the bionic were true pioneers to many of us now doing the AI. I am grateful for all the many posts on the bionic and people's candid experiences and opinions. I have learned so much from these experiences that are helpful. I have purchsed my biotenser and learned its use by many of the bionic pioneers and Dr. W.
Many have gotten better to some degree with the photon machine...so it is not a bad treatment...but not the same at all as AI.
I have also seen posted that others who have gone for the bionic treatment in Germany, keep up the treatments at home, so it is not a one time shot...it is to be used a lifetime or when needed. It's individual. Most buy the machine too.
AI cannot be compared. It is more essential for your body to regulate than to push pathogens.
I am one of the first on this forum to do AI without ever using the bionic 880. So this was an experiment, which I believe successful as I attained my goal through the process.
Others have used the Bionic first...with limited success. They will have to tell you their situation...and others may have a different opinion. You may want to search for info on the bionic...and get the old timers to respond.
So I suggest to do the Allergie Immune, and forget the bionic for the present.
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Thanks for your reply. I know you did some antibiotics before your did AI. Did those help you any?
I guess I am asking, because after 9 rounds of AI I feel worse than I did a year ago.
But, I will take it one day at a time or maybe in this case one drop at a time.
Lee
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Lee, If I went back two years in time, knowing what I know now - I would do AI. All the food allergies Dr. W detected in me are gone now after AI and my gut is healing - minus the appendix I left in Germany.
That treatment with amalgams in my mouth at the time was not good for me. My fillings got hot shortly after and stayed that way until I had them removed.
The bionic did knock down the lyme.
A different practitioner in Germany that I have been in touch with a few times who uses both - told me if there was anything left after AI (metals or whatever), I could treat with the bionic but she didn't think there would be.
The metals are coming out on there own and I don't feel the need to do anything but a gentle detox now.
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LP, congratulations! I can understand your feeling a sort of disappointment, as, after a while on AI, you get used to the whole rhythm of 2 weeks on, sending off, reading the imbalances, beginning again.
I hope you will continue to chip in here and to keep us up to date on how your kids are doing,
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Lee,
"I guess I am asking, because after 9 rounds of AI I feel worse than I did a year ago."
Are you taking care of the toxin fallout that is now trying to leave your body?
Metals and chemicals still need support in form of binders. So will neurotoxins. Otherwise you undoubtedly will not feel well.
I hope you have read at least parts of this thread and get some ideas as to what can help. I am not familiar with your history, so can't comment much. Just remember that neurotoxins feel the same no matter the cause. Metals and chemicals cause identical symptoms. So it is very difficult to tell whether talking Lyme or environmental toxicity. I have always wondered how people can tell the difference. None of my doctors ever could say with certainty, and to me obviously it is always a mix of pathogen die-off and released toxins of different kinds.
If you have done a fair amount of pharma meds, it will take longer to clear things out. That is what AI is after -- cleaning out the system of the remains that prevent the body from functioning as it should.
Hope you have the patience and learn to add a few tricks to lighten the load. I was heavy into charcoal for a few days here and there when nothing else seemed to help. Look at dl glycine, fiber, fiber. I cook a big pot of chicken broth w/bones, with veggies - before I store it in bottles, I grind the soft veggies in my little baby food blender and add it to the broth. It adds lots of fiber to the liquid consumed daily. It's the first thing my husband drinks in the morning.
If you really think you should be feeling better by now, have you been tested for KPU? That can be a missing link. If you lack any of the essential minerals, getting any toxins out is a lost cause, no matter how much AI you do. It is the most basic requirement for detoxing.
Possibly do a Doctors Data Hair test and get the mineral values with it - is painless and costs $46. It may tell you why you are not making more headway.
Just some suggestions, and I hope it helps.
Take care.
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Lee,
So sorry you are having a rough time.
I did 1 1/2 yrs of doxy...for ehrlichiosis, and a few months of Ceftin (that is awful) until that was gone in bloodwork. Daughter did same length of time for RMSF, Ehrlichiosis and Bart...all with doxy. Along with about 30 odd minerals/vitamins and supplements.
Lyme was still present in blood, and still getting fevers, flu like things, etc...but took an abx break.
Found ART practitioner to verify lyme. Autoimmune issues were my main focus, with a goal of loosing lyme so immune would function on its own correctly...as that has happened for some my LLMD suggested.
Did some general detox, and some ART inspired natural protocols that were also anti viral, and botanicals for emotions, and worked on my electrolyte balance, then started AI.
This was a few months of natural protocols from the ART ND. All new to me.
Lyme symptoms gone after several months. Happened when working on emotional healing along with AI regulation. But auto immune remained even more elevated than previously. Still monitoring this...and will advise all when a change occurs. I am not having auto immune symptoms now..just elevated ANA.
so initially abx helped me I believe with co-infections only...not lyme...but think I was on them way too long. My instincts kept telling me it was time to stop...and take a break...but I kept going 6 months longer than I wanted...just to go the distance to be sure I gave it a good shot.
Knowing what I do now, I think I would have preferred treating only with natural antivirals, etc, even if it took longer to clear. Less residual issues with natural protocols than with abx.
I have grown up with taking abx for all issues...and not understanding natural protocols...that is why I never knew to try the natural.
I am full of candida from the abx! That creates more to clear!
I would not suggest taking abx at all ...while on round 9! You have come so far! Go the distance...the finish is ahead. But you need support as you feel so bad!
Lee, Do you have a ND?
Have you done any regular binders or organ support for detox while on AI?
Have you confirmed active lyme still with ART or muscle testing or tensor or blood? How about co-infections?
Also Lee, did you treat with abx or any natural antibiotic like treatment at all before AI for any co-infections, and how long?
Are you or have you been on any other meds or protocols that could be causing a longer regulation?
Are the hard things you are currently experiencing similar to things you have had in the past...or are they new issues? What do you think they are related to?
The more specific info you can share, the better advise you will get. I'm sure one of us can give you some appropriate guidance on easing the load!
blessings, lp
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Carry,
Thanks for you message.
And of course I will chip in...or you will all miss my lenghtly replies.
At some point I will have to gleen myself from this regular ritual of checking in with my AI friends...as I consider you all my friends.
After several years of lymenet...this has become habit forming!
Keep posting Carry! I want someone to plan the AI reunion in a few years to see how we are doing after graduation!
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I'm really interested in starting AI. I just got confirmation this week that I have lyme. My naturopath is recommending the Cowden protocol for me- I know that antibiotics are not the way for me to go.
Would AI be incompatible with Cowden? (It includes herbs and homeopathics) I'd like to clean up the mess and reduce the pathogen load at the same time if possible.
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Again thank you for your kind feedback. I have not done antibiotics since 2005, except for a few days with major surgery in 2007. I did about a year or a little more of antibiotics off and on in 2004-2005. Don't think it helped. I have had some lyme and bart symptoms for over 7 years, but some docs think I have had it much longer. The bartonella test showed a very low titer as did ehrlichiosis. I did some oral and I.V. antibiotics for the Lyme and the ehrlichiosis. Could not handle the antibiotics--rimfampin etc. for bart and refused to take levaquin or any drug in its class. I am generally not keen on taking medicines of any kind unless I really need to (and I do take meds for minor seizures or I would be in big trouble!). My parents are the same way and they are well into their 80's!
I do use a biotensor or ring pendulum to test binders, fibers, and detox and do rotate them. Pectin, milk thistle,charcoal, nanozeolite, the Pekana 3 for liver, kidneys, and lymph system etc.
I have no amalgams--always have had good teeth, thank God. I do know my house is built on old farmland, so I am sure there are chemicals in the soil and of course I could have gotten mercury via my parents etc.
LP, there are no ND's close to me--maybe 3 to 4 hours away, but I do manage to work fulltime and have very few sick days to use and the ND I would go to is not open on weekends. So, right now a ND is not an option. And even this popular ND does not know ART.
Currently I am testing with my biotensor as not being positive for lyme or co-infections, but I need to have someone else test me as I know I can be biased (I, of course, want to think positive that the Lyme and Bart are all gone!)
I do not have KPU. Will look into Doctor's data, but I admit I am leery of hair analysis and its accuracy.
I konw that God will see me through this and it does help to have everyone's support. So, again I say, Thank you.
Lee
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Kateaton,
Welcome to the group. I'm not familiar with the Cowden protocol...but usually homeopathy or other frequency treatments like rife are not recommended along with AI...it confuses the AI treatment frequencies I believe I have read on the AI website. Herbal remedies are usually ok when needed!
Best to not do any treatments while doing AI.
Do you have any co-infections ?
Others will chime in...but become familiar with the allerge-immun.de website...and HG can answer your questions more specifically there.
I'm new to the board - I don't have lyme that I know of - I wasn't sure if that was ok or not. I found out about ALlergie Immun from "Zombie" who is my sister inlaw MY entire family (me, dh and 5 kids) is doing AI all at once which at times seems a bit crazy, but good too. I'm posting here because I don't know of anywhere else to ask questions. I've read the entire thread Hopefully that will save me asking any annoying questions
1. I'm wondering about the pekana products - I want to take them as I am definitely needing organ support, but I"m confused because I thought taking homeopathics was a big no-non on AI and they appear from the description to be homeopathic.
2. I have glycine, apple pectin, charcoal and the biopure chlorella - I feel a bit like I"m muddling through with these - not knowing 100% what the guidelines are for taking each. How long before or after food etc. So far I am taking charcoal at bedtime every night. CHlorella sporadically during the day if I'm feeling bad. Glycine I was mixing either with watered down pure cranberry juice, or in with the apple pectin mixture described earlier in the thread here. I'd like to buy a biotensor, but just don't have the cash for it right now - soon hopefully, but it's not an option quite yet.
3. I started taking a product called Body Balance by LIfe force. It's aloe vera juice and 9 sea vegetables. The fatigue has been really really difficult with 5 kids to care for - this is supposed to be very helpful for remineralizing and I know I am very low. I hoped that since it is essentially a food that it wouldn't interfere with the AI? Is that correct?
4. My oldest is 15 years old - she has had a really hard time since starting AI. She started eating gluten again when we started the drops convinced that it was ok. SHe has a severe neurological reaction to gluten causing rages and severe mood swings. I understand that the drops cleared the actual allergie in the first round, but it will take the gut time to heal. I'm wondering if that will happen on its own over time without any special help? She isn't willing to take anything else to help the process. I'm not actually even sure that she will complete AI now as things have gotten quite bad and she is on the verge of leaving home as a result. I think that part of me is hoping there is still some hope that this will improve in time to prevent that. I'm not really sure what I am asking for on this one - thoughts maybe?
I'll stop there for now - I don't want to write a book I wanted to say tho that I really appreciate all that people have shared here and the time that has taken - it has been enormously helpful in navigating such unfamiliar terrain.
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LP, glad to hear you'll still be posting and I love the idea of an AI graduation reunion sometime!
Skiesmama, I identify with many of your questions and of course everyone on this thread is learning too, so sometimes a definitive answewr can't be given...or people may try one way and then change their mind from experience.
I'm very sorry about the bad time you and your oldest daughter are having and it is hard to know whether it would be better to address the gut more specifically during or after AI.
I still have some gut problems myself and do sometimes take glutamine or make a slippery elm and marshmallow or chamomile tea [and take probiotics]but these have soothed rather than 'cured'.
Since HG says that it may take at least a year for the body to complete its regulating after AI, perhaps things will improve over time.
I'd be interested to hear other people's reactions to taking Body balance, which I see is organic: my own take is that if it helps you, it is probably OK with AI, and may help with cleansing....but I'm no expert!
I do much the same as you with the binders: I have several different ones, but am drawn most often to chlorella and my capsules that are a mix of clay, charcoal, apple pectin and some herbs.
..At present I am trying chlorella 30 minutes before lunch and the capsules [2] either 30 mins before dinner or before bed. If I am feeling particularly bad or have a strong metal or chemical taste, I sometimes take a handful of chlorella extra.
I put apple pectin powder on top with cinnamon if I am eating a sliced or cooked apple. I do have zeolite, but something in me makes me reluctant to take it, so I usually don't, though I have no logical reason for that!
I see what you mean about Pekana and homeopathy vs AI, but haven't tried their products yet: I have been using some of BioRay's Liverlife though.
This is just what I do, not a 'right' answer, so I hope other people will give you their take and I wish you and all your family good luck with the drops,
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Wow Heather, you certainly have your hands full!
Although I can now eat wheat, it still affected me through the first few rounds. That does get corrected with the first round but if leaky gut is there, it will take awhile and I don't know of anything to help it along. Biologo for leaky gut but I don't know if you can get it in Canada any easier than we can.
Healthy foods don't interfere. Some might say that sea vegetables are tainted but most foods are.
I think there is some confusion about homeopathics.
HG told me that they are fine when detox is happening. Those organs do need support.
There are herbal tinctures that can be helpful for organ support. Red root, milk thistle...
It must be tough with a teenager, I hope she will hang in there.
Chlorella is best taken a half hour before meals and at bedtime. Charcoal taken away from anything else, including food. Careful with that one if you lean toward constipation.
When I use glycine, I take it between meals. Apple pectin can be mixed in with food I believe.
Minerals are one of the few things I'm taking right now as the heavy metals leave they take the good with them. I love Matrix Minerals from Biopure. I'm taking fairly big doses right now.
One other thought about homeopathics - could be there is a difference between a major homeopathic protocol and just a few for organ support.
I think supporting the kidneys in particular is crucial. Lymph - nothing feels worse than when that gets backed up. Rebounding, dry brushing, all is good but sometimes I needed something more.
I'm sure you'll get more answers here.
Good luck.
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Heather, I will chime in with a possibility...
My daughter and I did a round of natural parasite cleanse in the beginning of AI...we tried Humaworm.
This helped with lessening of many stomach issues...not gluten intolerence...but helped digestion. It lightened our load a little I believe.
We did not continue any parasite treatments during the remaining rounds.
Bloating, gas, and the immediate diary reactins I had seems to go away after that one cleanse...
things got progressivey better withthe Ai therapy..and it did take longer than the first round to see great relief...it was about three or four that we noticed complete regulation with the foods...
although I still have leaky gut issues that I am working on correcting over time...my final AI results still show room for improvement in my two intestinal systems.
Best Wishes lp
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thanks for your input. I'll have to look into it further, and I may be wrong about Cowden being homeopathic. I think it may just actually be herbal. I just got all the stuff yesterday.
I don't know about co-infections. I had testing done this week, but my doctor doesn't think that my symptoms point to any co-infections. I definitely have viral issues going on.
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Nutmeg - looks like your question about hair tests got a little lost.
I just sent one in and plan on doing one every 3-4 months.
Can't hurt to keep checking and to compare as you go along. Also good to see how the good minerals are.
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SO the Pekana products are a go - I figured since so many use them that they would be fine.
My dd's reaction to gluten is (symptoms wise) all neurological. I know that it is obviously still affecting her otherwise, but that's where the symptoms are. SOme things are clearer today tho - she has had some repressed trauma surface this week - that would explain the panic attacks. I had wondered if AI would bring that up repressed traumas - and that if perhaps it would be a more difficult process to get through if one has been repressing for a long time. That is definitely clearer now.
I could use help specifically for kidney support. I'm going to order the pekana products. I have been drinking nettle infusions off and on. Also cranberry water with glycine added. My kidney's hurt quite often tho - I can't really stand up for long before they start to hurt. They are better since I started the body balance, but still a concern.
I'm wondering about support for my children as well - I haven't done anything really - anyone treating little ones? My kids are 2,4,7,9, and 15 yo. I'm not really feeling like the littlest ones need much if any. My 9 year old has improved a lot and I suspect he will finish first. My 7 year old tho has a history of sensory processing issues, a period of regression into autism symptoms (he has come back from that thankfully for the most part.) His behavior has been intense since starting AI - increased hyperactivity, impulse control is next to nil, and he's been rather more explosive than usual temper wise. He is also back to not taking in much of what we say - not even close to what it was previously, but still a challenge. HE has stopped wetting hte bed this round (2) so that is encouraging. WTIh the first round he started wetting every single night from previously it being often, but not every day.
The issue with the body balance that I'm not sure of are 2 things - 1 it has a small amount of preservatives. 2. The idea is to increase by 2 ounces every 4 days until you reach "cell saturation" at which point you are so energized that you can't sleep - then you back off by 2 ounces. I have gone much much sower with increasing as it can and did trigger more detox and I felt it wasn't such a good idea to force detox. It's tricky to tell tho at times whether I am feeling badly because it may be making me detox, or if it's just the AI. I feel quite a bit worse when I'm not on the drops - a need to sleep that is a force to be reckoned with - my body just goes to sleep - I better get to bed - it's very overpowering - that is an AI thing - I've always had fatigue in greater or lesser amounts - this is not the same thing - it's hard to explain tho. I do feel that the body balance is a good way to support my body - I was nervous about cutting out the supplements I took - My body id pretty tired from so many years of pregnancy, breastfeeding, and constantly interrupted sleep - there isn't much leeway. I'm still nursing too - I asked HG about it via email and he said that was fine. That's a big part actually of why I felt it important to do us all at once.
IT's sad tho to see my littlest ones tests come back with ever so many disregulations - we live way out in the country, eat organically, don't use any chemicals in the house ( I have MCS) and still they are so far out of balance. Their tests weren't as bad as the rest of us initially, but still pretty full up.
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Met DR. K today during the break at the seminar...and asked him about how he's doing on the drops...had a nice conversation and I shared my regulations and remaining metal detox issues.
Says he hasn't slept in years as well as now on the drops. He spoke about AI to the group and gave out the website and his recommendation..all glowing....it is on film.
Think there will be a rush of new people sending in samples after this weekend!
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Great to still hear from all of you on this thread.
I'm convinced about trying A.I. and found some funds to get started.
But, I need your help with how to approach.
I'm a bit of a disaster right now. Serious issues with mucous, throat and chest tightness, light wheezing...
Other problems, nerve tingling, Babesia symptoms: off-balance, mental disaster.
I don't know if getting off ABX to do this is good. I'm scared to let things get more out of control...I'm already so close to thinking I need the hospital everyday.
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I do AI without being off abx, but I am only on one abx. I was impressed that AI caused immediate problems, I got pain already after days. So I know it is doing something. Although for me it is quite tough and I have to start on a lower dosage only three drops.
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TO: eightybarb
I have been on PSP since July of 2009, with one break in order to heal a ruptured appendix.
If you've read this entire thread, then you've learned that this therapy is by no means without challenges; sometimes extreme challenges. Please perform PSP on yourself before ever considering using it on your daughter. This will give you some idea what she might experience.
At 2 years of age, I'm very doubtful that your daughter will be able to express what's happening to her while on this therapy; where and what pain might occur, as well as any improvements. PSP is daunting enough for an adult, who can at least generally describe what is happening to them, but a 2 year old, no way.
There will likely be all sorts of posts on this thread bashing me, negating and outright denying what I've just written to you. They will probably direct you or quote to you testimonials from the Allergie-Immun website, as well as other statements, etc. Please keep in mind that this is your child and not mine, A.I.'s or anyone else's... You are her only protection.
Again, I ask you to please perform the therapy on yourself first.
If you'd like to contact me directly, I can be reached at:
I will not be responding on this thread again until I'm completely through PSP.
Wishing you the best.
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Eightybarb, if you are not certain what you want to do, you can do the first test for s minimal fee and get the 16page report indicating the major and dominant dysregulations/allergies. Then you can decide whether you want to do the therapy with your child or not. I think they credit you for the testing fee if you decide to do the total therapy.
There are several young children on the therapy and it seems they are having a much easier time than the very toxic adults after years of accumulations of toxins of all kinds. I have been told by HG that children usually finish the therapy much more quickly, get through it much more easily and with less bottles.
By all means, don't do anything if you have any doubts about the therapy. At least, you can find if and how severe the allergies/dysregulations are and then decide. I have also heard from HG that often children come following vaccinations, because that is when some of the problems start if they were not born with them.
Read as much on the website as you can find in English and do some google translating. It really helps to understand this therapy better.
Good luck to your in your decision-making.
Take care.
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LP, good message.
Having known Dr. K. for many years personally, I don't think he has ever recommended any therapy which he has not experienced himself. I knew he was already very impressed with the results he had seen from some of his patients last year because he told me so.
With as many people affected today, it will come as a great relief for many, I am sure. It takes time to understand what is happening in the body and to learn that damage that had been done over probably half a lifetime cannot be undone in a few months.
I am glad you got to chat a bit -
Take care.
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Probably have said this before. Skiesmam's post alerted me to this:
Some allergic reactions we have are often a combination of several factors. Chemicals used in the preparation of a wheat or other product can still cause one to react. All have to be corrected to get the complete picture. Often what we feel is a wheat or grain allergy was caused by a chemical or group of chemicals.
I think thould be kept in mind when going through AI. It's not done until it's done and then the body will be in the process of learning to regulate at all times and that can take a while longer. Hopefully the chemists quit shooting new arrows our way.
We should also know that detoxing of chemicals and especially the toxic metals will be felt once it starts to happen. That is part of the game. They cannot disappear into thin air (some do!), but hopefully we have learned enough tricks to get rid of them as easily as possible.
If reactions are too strong, lower the intake of drops for a couple of days. The body will still get the message - even if you just whisper it.
Take care.
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Ok drops arrived on this May Day in cold, wet and windy weather. Will spring ever get here?
So interesting to read the in depth version of the report.
As I was opening the bottle I spilled some on me so I decided to go with that and rubbed it into my skin. Will take the next set of drops in a few hours. Not sure if I had a reaction or not--hard to tell what is the drops and what is just usual body stuff from toxins and lyme.
Excited to be on my way. Will order Pekana and Matrix Minerals later today.
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Imaginit - when I was on the drops we had to make a small opening in the tip for the drops to come out. I recently saw someone's drops and they looked to have some kind of new cap on them so I'm not sure if that has changed.
Someone reported having run out of drops before the two weeks were up and that NEVER happens! The general consensus here was that they had made the opening too large and that the drops were way too big.
I don't recall that being discussed lately so thought I would bring it up. Tiny opening, tiny drops.
I never went through more than 2/3 of a bottle -thereabouts.
Gigi - glad you brought that up about the chemicals in the grain or grain silos. Forgot about that one too.
Same thing for folks who are allergic to cows milk or eggs. It's usually the wheat or the chemicals in the wheat - then fed to the cows and chickens. Not the milk or eggs themselves causing the reaction.
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That's interesting about the drops being big now. Does this mean we are getting more than the usual amount?
So I spilled some on my skin and rubbed it in (rhymes)and four hours later I was exhausted and I had to take a nap for 2 1/2 hours. That hasn't happened in a really long time.
I thought since I had an immediate response from the skin thing, I would only do three drops next time. Whoa! I felt like I was "herxing"--my heart bounded for 12 hours, I was cold and couldn't get warm and my teeth ached.
I am doing green slushies with banana, carrot, cabbage and apple--the full fruit/vegetable in a blender for fiber. I have stopped most of my supplements. Taking aloe vera juice with lots of minerals until my Matrix Minerals arrive.
My questions are: Does anyone use Welchol (prescription drug) as a binder. I was using it before and it worked well, but not sure if it is appropriate here.
What do you do for the pain? My supplements, epsom salt baths and infared sauna all helped with that, but I understand those are contraindicated now that I'm on the drops.
Anyone on Low Dose Naltrexone? This boosts one's immune system and has helped with sleep and pain.
I am going to do one drop this am and see what happens. I would welcome any and all suggestions. Thanks for all your help.
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Didn't mean that the drops are big now - the person who ran out of drops cut way too much off the top and the opening was to big.
It looks like there are new bottles and I don't know if you still have to make an opening.
The first round does a lot of work. Just try not to focus on every little thing. I know easier said than done. Let the process work. Even if you only take one drop, then two, then three.
When you get your next report you will be quite excited to see all the changes.
Try to just flow with it and do what makes you feel good. I was not attracted to my sauna or to epsom salt baths during AI.
Let the drops work a bit so that whatever binders you are using will be binding the things your newly awakened body will be releasing. Just my thoughts.
MSM is good for pain, especially tissue pain. Biopure freeze dried garlic also has some protective qualites regarding mercury.
Sometimes there are "phantom" pains that pass. Old injury, etc.
Gigi could tell you some funny stories about my imaginary heart attack during an early round, and calling her from my walk in closet wrapped in a blanket - having the mother of all anxiety attacks.
All these things pass - a good mantra - my body is regulating and that is a good thing.
You could very well have had a response from rubbing it in your skin.
My my first drops arrived in Jan 09, they were frozen solid. I put them on my bed side table (right next to my head) to thaw and I felt they went to work on me while sleeping - just being there.
If you're tired sleep. Your body is working hard.
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Nana said it well. We need to cool it and learn to relax. Let the body know that you can take it easy. Half the battle with this disease is our mind. The attitude "I am going to fight this thing come what may" - I don't think is working. General comment.
By doing other therapies, such as sauna, excessive exercize, baths, you are pushing the body even more. Give it time to release via the drops and only see to it that you are well hydrated - not by drinking tons of water, but by liquids containing nutrients (soups, mousses) so the body does not rush through and flush out all the few minerals the body is able to retain in the state it is in. I have explained that early in the thread and it is also explained int he Brochure from AI to guide and explain. There are times when the body does not want an epsom salt bath when it is in a certain detox mode.
There is no healing taking place when we stress the body by push, push, push.
PSP stands for Polarity Signature Programming which is the act of reprogramming the DNA to correct the electromagnetic errors we inherited and/or developed over time by our exposure and our own doing. I don't think we are made for handling years of antibiotics, no matter what. We cannot replace some of the good abx wipe out with a few probiotics. This has got to leave a mark somewhere.
GH told me if you have pain, take an aspirin.
I would not take anything that kills or forces detox. Binding and catching/supporting and avoiding constipation is important. I would not take Welchol. Why manmade chemicals. There are better binders contributing nutrients, such as a first quality chlorella. It is a cleanser, it is rich in nutrients and has an alkalinizing effect , supplies proteins, essential fatty acids, the whole spectrum of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, enzymes. Chlorella supplies almost the complete nutrients we get from a well balanced and well prepared meal.
I could go on with the list, but don't have time -have to fix dinner.
By the way, potatoes with the peel are a great binder. Some statins I was told are made from them. So if you are in trouble and have run out of a binder, run down to the next 711 and get yourself a sack of potato chips! Or get some frozen strawberries - good binders. I mix apple pectin into apple sauce or blender-shopped apples. A healthy gelatine desert from a good fruit juice with apple pectin.
Take care.
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Thank you so much to both of you for all your suggestions and taking the time to write them down-again. I have printed them out and will try to relax and just go with the flow.
Last night I had a dream where I was able to unlock a dam which created this beautiful, fresh water river. I was on the side--bare feet in beach sand jumping up and down--feeling very free.
I'm using this as my symbol of this process.
Thank you both again--no more welchol. Will try chorella. Any specific brand?
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GIGI do you know DR Z in AZ? He has worked with and studied with DR K. He is telling me is is using Dr K principals and treatments for me.
I showed him info about AI and he has not heard of it but recommend it for me.
I am done with ABX even though my other doc wants me to stay at least on Plaquenil and Mino. I have stopped it all about a month ago.
So.. I was wondering if you knew my doctor?
I did not know you could order just the first step to get an idea of your results and examine those and study the process before you commit to the full price and full protocol.
I think I am ready to do that at the least.
Thanks for the info.
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Hey Wolf
I just ordered mine too and just the test too.
So cool.. lets keep in touch and see what happens.!!!
: ) Blessings
Imagin .. I will let you know when I get my results what happens too.
I read that they like blood and though it does not matter. So anyone here send blood?
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Welcome Wolf - welcome Spring - for the peek. Yes, I have seen Dr.Z. many times over the years at Dr.K. seminars. Very reserved. Don't know him as a doctor, but I am sure you are in good hands.
You wouldn't actually have to wait for a test kit. Someone asked a few days ago how to order and here is a copy of my answer. No need to send blood. Saliva will do fine.
"Hi, Can anyone tell me the exact address to send the sample to? Is it the one listed on the website and do you write the address in German or English?
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posted 28 April, 2010 04:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Send a one page note:
Name Address Age Gender Short list of basic symptoms or diagnosis
Spit two drops on a 2 inch square piece of kleenex. Put it in a small snack bag or smaller. Seal bag. Flat wrap this baggie into a small piece of foil which doesn't add more weight, just to cover the baggie and tug the ends under (flat) to avoid bulkiness.
Take a regular letter envelope addressed to
Allergie Immun In den Hahndornen 16 D-67273 Bobenheim am Berg Germany
Write with large letters on envelope AIR MAIL. The one page and skimpily wrapped baggie fit in that envelope will cost 98cents. Not necessary to add another form if done that way. I have done it for a year now and it always got there fine when done this way.
Hope that works. Don't forget to send the PayPal for the fee.
Good luck."
P.S. add note to your one page that you are paypaling the fee of .$...... and that you want the test only. That way they will know that you don't expect the drops and that you will decide later. But this way you will get a quicker response rather than waiting a couple three four weeks. Even Air Mail has been quite slow.
I know this must be exciting for you - I don't think you will regret exploring this more. It certainly opened my eyes even more. I can understand that Dr.Z. does not know about AI yet -even Dr.K. who knows just about everything that is going on in the world on every continent had not heard about it until I decided it was time he knew. I pushed him and he is happy as a lark because he says he can sleep again.
Take care, and glad you are checking this out.
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Imaginit, I think most people here seem to use one of the chlorellas from biopure: mine are C.P.Protect [chlorella pyreniodosa],
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I use the same - chlorella pyreniodosa from Biopure. Has more binding qualities than some forms and is also more like a food. Does lots of good things as Gigi mentioned above.
Not easily digested by some - I let mine dissolve in water and drink it down.
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Hi. I am still pretty new to this forum. I have been having neurological problems for sometime now. I have seen an LLMD who thinks I have Lyme but have not received my test results yet.
I have heard a lot of people talk about Allergy immunotherapy but I have no idea what it is. I was curious if someone could fill me in because at this point I'm willing to try anything and becoming desperate.
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alextaylor14, there is a year and a half of experience and details on this thread that cannot be condensed into a paragraph. Please read if you haven't.
Also go to Allergie-Immun.de and select English.
Somewhere here during the last few months I wrote a brief 4 liner that kind of sums it up. I'll look for it later and re-post it.
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Found it - from March I think.
Quote Here's my shot at it Wolfed Out -
Illness = toxicity
Toxicity = chaos in the body
Chaos = body not recognizing friend from foe
Allergie-Immun = recognizing friend from foe, peeling away the choas layer by layer, freeing blockages to allow the toxins to leave
It does not seek out specific illnesses but by getting the train cars running on the right tracks, issues start falling by the wayside - whether it be lyme, allergies, heavy metals etc. etc.
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I just received my 13th bottle of drops and the report. I'm a bit stunned by the results.
In the past I've had a number of things show up, up to a dozen or so chemical and biological substances, and similar number of energetic blockages. Each round of drops has cleared them up nicely.
This new report I just got shows 9 energetic blockages and 49 chemical substances!! If anyone doubts that this program works, I think these results speak to that. Kind of creepy to think of all these chemicals floating around in my body all these years.
I'm going to take a day or two to get myself ready for this round of drops. I have a feeling I'm going to be dumping a lot of stuff and want to be prepared. Time to order those Pekana remedies, I think.
Good luck to everyone, especially those just beginning the process.
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Hello. I was under the impression that the first test will show all that you will be working on each stage? Do they run different tests each time and send drops accordingly?
I am a bit confused but I am sure I will catch on
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The first report tells everything that shows up in the initial testing and the general state of the body & systems. They make up the initial set of drops from that.
The initial drops clear all the specific dysregulations that showed up initially.
They retest when you send in the second saliva sample. Then they make up and send more drops for those dysregulations. They make up the new drops according to what shows up each time you send in a sample, whatever the body is ready to released at that time.
More/different blockages & substances show up each time until you are done. And the process continues like that until no more dysregulations are found. Some substances can be identified, but others are just listed as chemicals, biological substances, etc.
Hope that makes sense. It does take a while to get the drift, and the process is different for everyone.
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Thanks so much Nutmeg
That does help. So the actual test you see is the same each time but it is like peeling an onion?
I also have read something else that is confusing. The site says it takes 2 rounds and maybe 3 to clear everything. Yet I see people posting about many more rounds than that?
AM I Missing something?
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Spring, the onion layers - is right. Or the apple where you do not find much wrong until you get to the core where the worm sits!
Many of their clients are Europeans and they take a lot less rounds than Americans do. We are a lot more toxic and I have been told so by Mr. Grundmeyer. He was very amazed when this started to surface, especially with the Lyme afflicted.
There is no way they are able to specifically identify each one of the 80,000 chemicals we are exposed to.
I was listening to a radio broadcast. Research indicates that the chemicals in the birthcontrol pills (now 50 years) are found in Puget Sound, as is coffee, spices of all sorts, and of course the weed and feed that we dump on to our lawns. No wonder besides us humans, fish and whales are dying.
Once they find the error in the DNA, polarity is corrected and the switch is on. The drops are slowly solidifying the correct polarity in the body. They find that 14 days is the right length to reinforce this correction. With the next testing into deeper levels, whatever is found is corrected in the same manner.
It would be impossible to do it all at once, especially with people whose autonomics are in such chaos as ours seems to be. Abx does definitely not help, but worsens the situation.
When you have time, it's good to study their site a little. With google you can translate quite a few. I think all the links within the English version are also in English. So don't forget to read these.
Take care.
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I have done my research(or read as much as I could understand) on AI. I have read through this thread and seeing mixed responses.
Is there anyone here that felt AI has significantly helped them? Is there anyone that felt it did nothing?
I admit I am a skeptic but I am also at a point of willing to try anything. The only thing holding me back is it's not cheap and its a lot of money to spend on drops especially if they just turn out to be "just drops."
I was also curious if anyone has had any experiences with AESA. I was real interested until I found out it was an MLM. Does anyone feel AESA has helped them and aren't financially involved with it(if thats possible).
Thanks again for everyone who has helped me on this forum. I have received more information in a month here than have of years with doctors.
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Alex, ask AI to send you their study of about 200 people. It is in German with numbers and symptoms listed, male and female, and that will tell you what is happening. If I remember correctly, that study resulted in an approx. 80% success rate.
I am very happy with AI and I can assure you that I am not financially involved with AI and the people are the best. Too bad they cannot communicate in English. I happen to speak German and their phone so far for over a year was always answered, without exception, by a real person who helped with advice. Their slogan on their website "we are here for you" is absolutely true. They are always there, even on Saturdays.
The price for the "just drops" could not be better, even more so if the service continues for over a year, test after test and drops after drops. I think we need to be realistic.
If you don't trust it, don't do it.
Take care.
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Thanks I appreciate the quick reply. I just had one question GiGi since you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the whole thing. What is in the drops exactly? I searched their website and couldn't really find anywhere the says.
Anyways I don't think it would hurt to be tested so thats where I think I will start.
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