D Bergy
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If you are running it in RF mode, which is the default mode when you start it up, you should not generally feel it at all. In audio mode you want to start at a low power setting as you will feel it at lower frequencies.
There is no reason that I know of to ever run it in Audio mode, other than if you are using it run a plasma tube.
If you are getting tingling, in RF mode, it may be from something you are hitting with the frequencies, or you are just super sensitive to the electricity.
When running the Bartonella frequency 832 Hz using the GB-4000 and MOPA combination, there was an electrical feeling going through the nerves.
I do not know a lot about Bart, but I am assuming it was attached to, or in the nerve tissue. Destroying it caused some temporary nerve damage, and ramped up the immune reaction with a low fever. This caused very distinct feelings in the nerves while running it, and after.
I only used 832 Hz with a sweep, and no other Bart frequencies. It did the job and there is no sign of it any more. It was pretty easy to get rid of, but it caused some trouble when dying off.
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I have never used this method of possibly homing in on a infection, but it looks like it could be useful when coupled with conventional testing and symptoms.
I am going to see if I can get a demonstration of this on myself and my wife. Maybe it can help with my Crohn's treatment.
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Ok this is great info. Dan we'll get you to hang around yet!
BTW the engineer for the GB4000 emailed me back and said that RF mode is 9x more powerful than audio mode alone, and confirms that it would be unlikely that we would feel tingling.
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I called about the testing, and I will have to travel to Detroit (gulp).
About the last place I would go to. I am not a city person. I am going to go there in the future, but I have too many thing going on this time of the year, so it will have to wait until later in the year.
I need some hints as to the pathogens I am dealing with. Now that I am not dealing with Lyme, and hopefully will not have to again, I have some time to try cure myself of Crohn's.
I seem to like nearly impossible projects for some reason.
Everyone must be doing pretty good. Not a lot of posting on this thread. That usually means people are out doing more productive things.
I hope that is the case.
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Do you have to go to Detroit "proper" or to the Detroit area? I live in the suburbs - if you need help getting around let me know.
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Thank you for the offer. I looked up the name and it looks like it is in Ann Arbor MI. Never been to that part of Michigan before. Just the UP.
I would like to post the name and address, but I do not want to bring any unwanted attention to this practitioner. If anyone wants to go there, send me a PM, and I will give you the name. There are other people who do this also, but this person is supposed to be one of the best.
I did post in the Success story thread. I hope I did not jinx myself by doing that.
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What is everyone doing treatment wise? I have been doing sweeps on 831-834 as per Dan's instructions, seem to get hits a few hours later. Lyme stuff hits me really hard about 24 hours after. Wonder why the delay?
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Dan, is this a German practicioner? If so, I think I know who you're referring to.
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Ann Arbor is a college town - you may even be going to a UofM Dr. It can be a little confusing but not nearly as bad as a big city like Detroit. When we go to the city I usually have my hubby and he knows his way around.
I wish you the best in your treatments.
CD57 - I've been doing Bart frequencies every week and I'm up to 2 minutes each and doing 832 and 1518 for three minutes (I was already using those).
I run my Lyme every other week at the frequencies I got with my EMEM (DT), but I added 612 and I'm herxing pretty good. Soon I will change to the frequencies from this thread.
I do parasites every week or 10 days, and try to do the general detox regularly.
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I do not think the person is from Germany, but I am not sure.
They also have some powerful frequency devices if anyone thinks they are ready to try one of those.
True Rife brand, and they pack a punch, so probably not for someone really sick, or at least you would have to be very careful about run time.
The 832 sweep is for Bartonella. I am going from others here that know they have this infection, and my wife must have had it also. That one frequency got rid of it by itself. I never used any other Bart frequency.
I do not know the die off symptoms of Bart other than what was experienced by Cindy. She developed a low grade fever, had nerve pain, and numbness that persisted for at least two weeks. She also had weakness and balance problems. Her swelling in the ankles went away from this treatment, so I think I can safely say the swelling was from Bart and not Lyme. That was the final key to the puzzle for me.
She still has some of the numbness, but it comes and goes. It is getting less and less. I am assuming it was nerve damage, and this seemed to be from the Bart die off, although Lyme can do it also.
She is doing very well, but some chest pain persists, but this may not be Lyme related. She has a history of heart disease in her family, so we need to sort that out. It could also be from nerve damage to the Vegas nerve, since it sometimes is accompanied by stomach problems after she eats, but not always.
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Have you ever watched Dr. Martin Fried's video on Lyme and Coinfections involved in UC/Crohn's? He is a pediatric gastroenterologist from my area. I had asked my gastro about my IBD being from Lyme and he said there hasn't been enough studies and the only one has been pediatric (Martin Fried's)
Here is a link, scroll down, it's the last on the list.
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That was an interesting video presentation. I did have an H-Pylori infection at one time, but I eliminated that using 676 Hz. I still will run that frequency every now and then, but I have no more symptoms of the infection.
Crohn's is basically one expression of a dysfunctional immune system, or weakness. If you have Lyme, you have an induced immune dysfunction, so it would not be surprising to me, if other autoimmune disease comes later.
Thank you for the link. I know someone else that needs to see this video. I will forward it to them.
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I just got through running the 831 thru 834 sweep. I deal with bart streaks and foot pain so I know I still have it. That is a powerful sweep. I ran it twice for 5 min with contacts on head and feet. Felt a little nauseated so I knew I was hitting something. I then decided I would do the sweep one more time except this time I used the bars in my hands and the foot pads. I went maybe a minute or so and first my toes were starting to curl up and cross each other then my calves in my legs tightened up so hard that I was cursing and had to turn the machine off. Thanks for you guys bringing that sweep back up. I think mr. bart found his match with that sweep.
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Killing bart is not very pleasant. I ran two twenty minute sweeps with the MOPA for Bart and that is when the bad reaction took place. I think I killed the remainder in that one treatment.
I am the innocent bystander, who also gets the treatment, but it does nothing to me, so it surely is an infection being hit.
Luckily, the damage has mostly healed, but it does seem to do some destruction on the way out. It must exist right on the nerves or in the muscle fiber.
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Seems that the MOPA will be a good add-on to aspire to. Dan, where did you get yours? PM if you don't want to post publicly. How does the MOPA compare to just the GB4000 plus amp?
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I haven't read the posts for June--- looks interesting.
I'm rifing every night for an hour or more.
Since i started rifing for parasites, my guts are much improved, and my eye pains are much diminished.
I do mostly the whole body rifing. Only every 5 days or so when the Candida symptoms build up, i'm compelled to put on the rubber gloves and put the wet metal bars on my abdomen (GB4000). Then i'm too sleepy to do a long session.
For Candida i've been using a set of single frex from Nenah Sylver's book on p. 457, the ones from Jimmie Holman and Paul Dorneanu. I do 5 min each; but i only get to about the third one before i get too sleepy.
It works well enough. The good is the enemy of the perfect, in my case! I'm not ambitious enough to track down a cure and kill it! I just coexist.
The eye pains are much fewer and they changed. I was getting faint, vague, dull pains, so i was even wondering whether to even write them down, since they are weaker than before. But i still write them down, and i got some of the previous kind also; sometimes they even make me think "ow".
I'm rifing on flukes, gut flukes, blood flukes, lymph flukes, pinworms and general Parasites. I don't know which it is. I don't get consistent reactions. They don't always work perfectly. (As well as Babs, Bart, lyme, Toxoplasmosis, Trichophyton, etc).
The parasites i posted previously were a silly choice; i didn't know what they are. They're tropical parasites from continents i've never been to.
I was enjoying my internet-free life, but i'll have to read this thread!
The symptom that's worrying me right now is--- the back of head is sore if i bend it backwards. It's been like this for a month or so, without change, it doesn't fluctuate. I did a lot of lyme frex last night, but had no effect on the back-of-head.
When i turn on my frequencies in the evening, they feel so good! I am worried about the doctor who is researching the health danger possibility. I keep wondering why he got this idea that they cause cancer. I'd like to get off the rife machine. But i need it, every day! I'm trying to switch to photons.
----Polly Polygonum -----or Nilufar Knotweed
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What Dr. is researching the cancer/health danger connection? Do yo have a link we can read?
In the book that comes with my BCX it mentions two frequencies not to use as they are associated with tumor growth.
It was my understanding through my own research and my health care provider that these machines have been around since Royal Rife and are considered safe when correct frequencies are used.
Thanks, Maryam
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One idea that was offered for me to experiment was that I try Lyme in the morning (a series of 14 frequencies) and detox (another series of frequencies) in the evening. And it was suggested I try it for 5 days (always according to what my body could handle) and if the Lyme set did not cause herxing to try a different set of frequencies - again for five days. So I did that - nothing too much over two days.
The last two days I added in a general viral set of frequencies when I come back from the clinic wh - mid afternoon. I think these are causing something - I have definite aches - mostly located where and feeling like my symptoms of almost a year ago. And my legs felt very weak. The first day I thought it was due to hunger, but yesterday I made sure to eat prior, and still it happened.
I also experimented with using a towel dampened with epsom salt water - could feel the frequencies in my feet more for sure. Does that mean it is more effective?
Thanks - I am still reading through and enjoying.
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Has anyone here heard of the Bob Beck Protocol? Anyone used it? That was also suggested for me to consider.
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A person was out at our house, and had their baby with her. The baby was bit by a tick here, they are everywhere, and now she has a weird symptom.
The tick was not on longer than a couple hours, but the baby has two dark red spots on each cheek. Very symmetrical. The size of a pencil eraser. There are two of the same spots now appearing on the temples, also symmetrical. The bite took place about two weeks ago, and the symptoms took about four days to start showing.
It looks like two cigarette burns, but no blistering, but it did weep a little. She is on an antibiotic, even though the doctor said it was not on long enough to be a tick borne disease. Now you know what I was dealing with!
I am thinking Bart, but I am not a coinfection expert. Any ideas?
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None of my rashes were "typical" Lyme, so the whole rash thing is confusing to me. I was thinking perhaps if you google images - you find a similarity.
Hope they figure it out!
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Dan, I've have googled lyme pics in the past and have ran across pics that looked similiar to what you have described. Just don't remember the site.
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CalMom
Thanks for posting and Messaging. I would keep on going with what your doing and at first I did not think I was responding to some of the lyme programs and then it did not take too long to start herxing. I though started with the detox and organs support and then i started adding in the viral and parasite programs and then I added lyme. I guess i was afraid of Lyme and wanted to see how i did. Since we have the same machine and programs. For me it was the 3rd lyme program and the one that is 716 in the booklet (not a frequency) but a program number.
I think thats the one..
But anyway.. I the end it turned out to be a combination of the various things .. viral bacterial fungal and parasitic ... Each one I herxed with but none were severe herxes. I though had done six months of protocol and was on IV abx that whole time.
SO thats a good thing.> but the bcx has gotten to whatever was left and also keeping things in check and keeping me from relapse or regression at all. I still am using it and I had some symptoms of what I feel are viral lately and I got them to back off within a couple treatments.
i have no doubt that rife works. I also still do all the detoxing and things I did before because when I slow that down it is not working near as well. Do not forget the baths and dry body brushing and lots of water and bentonite and lymph drainage and sauna etc.. etc.. and what has worked for you keep doing.. Do not stop any of it.
I also want to remind you that the progress can be slow but steady and you forget that your improving til you look back on the prior month or months and then you will say.. Hmmw wow.. because symptoms have decreased or the ones tha twere minimal are gone.. etc.. and then the next few months it happens again and it just is not a blantet type of improvement.
Be patient and stay steady with your work and I think you will find this to be true too.
We are all different and I could be wrong. But it sounds like you are going through some of what i did and it was not obvious at the time at all.. Even took awhile after the program and I still am having that affect and month after month i still see things improving...
blessings and keep reporting back to us
If that Viral program is doing something stay at it. Funny thing is that when the lyme started getting killed off the Viral issues came roaring to the forefront. So that may be part of what is happening to you. Things switch around during the treatment process so you have to be prepared and stay on top of things.
Same with the fungal and parasitic issues. I had a roaring back of fungal issues too after the viral one .. ha.. And again the Rife got it under control better than any medication or treatment I ever tried.
The more I use the tool the more confidence I have in how it actually works. pretty amazing tool the Rife is.
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I forgot to answer your question CD57, about where I bought the MOPA. I will PM you on that.
The difference was that I could kill the Lyme in the joints immediately. It took about six treatments at the most and she no longer responded with pain or discomfort to the 2016 Harmonic. It is gone, as far as I can tell. She has no more joint pain, or swelling around the ankles. No symptoms at all.
The swelling was caused by the Bart. I never could get rid of it before using the Bart frequency. I think any frequency device could probably kill Bart, but it would take a little longer.
I had run the GB and amp in contact mode many times, and also ran the GB with the EMX more than a dozen times with no real progress in the joints. It apparently takes a lot of power to reach into those areas. I also had the complication of Bart, which confused the issue also. I am not sure how much of a role that had in the joint pain.
The GB with Amp combo would relieve the joint pain, and so would the EMX, but it would come back in a few days. It has not come back in the slightest since I stopped treating with the MOPA.
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Pat Smith, of the LDA, said that if the spirochetes are already in the mouth of the tick that it doesn't have to be attached for long.
Today while rifing I was looking at the Rife Handbook. I was surprised that Nenah Sylver said to do all these different frx for Lyme at 10 mins. a piece. I haven't read much in the Rife Handbook, so maybe something was said in one of the chapters about going slowly with the rifing.
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Wow 10 minutes for the Lyme Frequencies..my problem is how to know which are the ones working. In the BCX there are programs a series of frequencies (which I run fro 3 min each) - I am trying to notice if I have any reaction to a particular frequency - then I might do that one longer,
I just got that book. Impressive, even on the general non-rife info. Guess I'll crack it open tonight.
Thanks fro the encouragement Springshowers - I will definitely keep at it.
Peace, CalMom
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That is the greatest book! It really is.
What are the viral frex people are using?
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I've just tried the program that came with my BCX. The frequencies are 344, 447, 564, 633, 834, 944, 3443, 6534, 7884, 10423, 12534, 17884, 21436 It's supposed be a general viral run - haven;t done anything more yet.
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How is everyone doing?
I hope great. I have not been around much.
I am still rifing yes. Is still helping. I am kinda plateaing though. I bet that is why people start to switch machines or add things etc..
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Dan I remember you were seeking pics of lyme related rashes that almost resembled cigarette burns. I found a link on this site that looks almost burn related.
In general, the frequencies that we use kill the bugs are when they are spirochetes. That's why it isn't recommended to be on abx while rifing. (Abx force spiro's into cysts)
Some of us on here, myself included -- are on abx & rifing. I am on a cyst buster and I still herx from rife sessions.
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Thank you for the photos jarjar.
I am fairly certain that 2016 is a cyst breaking frequency. It is the only frequency I have used in a the last few months for cyst form, and I can no longer see any Lyme symptoms in my wife. I am considering her cured until I see evidence that indicates she is not.
I am in the process of writing up a protocol that I am hoping will make this treatment process much simpler an more effective.
I have a lot of other things I have to attend to right now, but I will get this out as soon as possible. In the mean time, I would suggest running 2016 Hz as often as practical. 612 or 306 Hz for Spirochete form, and possibly 432 Hz also. although I seldom used 432 in the treatment of my wife. It is optional.
That is the sum of the needed frequencies to eliminate Lyme in my opinion. There are power considerations and other technicalities, but I will address these when I can get all of this information together.
Sweep these frequencies also.
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I had fatigue that was soooo much worse than usual, the old sick, really sick, feelings from way back, bellyaches and stuff (worried my UC was acting up), vibrations and pulsating nerves. I had never had vibrations full body and so strong.
I couldn't even figure out what was wrong (lyme brain) and was really getting down. Last night hubby told me he thought it was a herx, because I just rifed Sun.
All the sudden my brain kicked into gear, so I could figure things out. It wasn't because I changed brands of vit. C. It wasn't because we are spreading out my abx injections. These things only happened after rifing. It was the rifing!
Fortunately, taking an epsom salt bath on 2 occasions helped. Amazingly so.
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On June 28, I had a lymphatic drainage and the next day I was very fatigued, so I assumed the questionable UC symptoms the next 2 days were from that, but while investigating the above situation I realized I had rifed the day those symptoms started.
So, I will credit the drainage for the fatigue, but since I had the same UC type symptoms after each rifing sessions I am chalking that I to herxing.
That session I used these frx. : 2016 - 5 mins, for fatigue 465 - 5 mins.
liz
PS I got the fatigue frx from Nenah's book and I didn't realize when I did 612 it was, also, a Lyme frx. So, I guess from now on I am going to rife for Lyme 10 mins. So, maybe Nenah was right saying to rife the frx for 10 mins.
** Correction to above PS: I meant 432 and it wasn't from Nenah's book. It was the frx given for XMRV (chronic fatigue). It may have been from this very thread, but I don't remember.
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That's great Liz! I had something similar happen recently and was horrified till I realized what it was. Dan can't wait to your protocol but you have helped us so much!
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That's great Liz! I had something similar happen recently and was horrified till I realized what it was. Dan can't wait to your protocol but you have helped us so much!
Erica, if you are seeing this, FO!
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j_liz
432 Hz is also a Lyme frequency, but it looks like you were using it for fatigue from your post. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone tries it for fatigue, and gets a herx instead.
Are you generally improving?
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Dan thats great if you write up a protocol for others. It was so hard for me to start up and no info and no direction to start in that was very clear at all. It is so needed!!
Hey I wondered though. Havent you had to run co infection numbers for parasites virals and fungals? I have found I have had to go through them all to get the results and not just one or two or three but all four..
And as you know lots of detox and organ supports esp in the beginning made a big difference but I may have been sicker or not in as good as shape as your wife or ?? who knows..
THANKS for your info...and hard work and constant great input and help...
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We started out using Cumanda and Samento, and also used MMS for a short time. I am sure that some parasites and other pathogens may have been eliminated or reduced during those treatments.
These other potential problems make treatment more complex, and that is what makes treatment of Lyme more complex than just eliminating the bacteria.
It is also what makes it more complicated in writing up a basic framework of how to treat the disease.
I think Cindy's case of Lyme was fairly straightforward other than the possible co-infection of Babesia, and the almost certain Bartonella infection.
She did not go untreated for years, and was in good heath when she was infected. I knew what her normal self was, and that gave me a base line to go by.
I think the best I can do is make a protocol that will have a very good chance of eliminating the Lyme so if there are some remaining symptoms, you can focus your efforts on another pathogen or condition.
The other problems with other infections, parasites will not be part of that, since I have no solid experience with those issues. But knowing what is not causing you a problem, is useful, and that is part of this.
By eliminating Lyme as a possibility, it allows you to narrow your treatment. So the methodology of treating is at least as important as the treatment itself, in my opinion.
A logical process will go a long ways to making this more productive. Random treating can work also, but it is luck of the draw, and I do not like relying on luck. Simple, logical and effective is what I am after.
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432 Hz is also a Lyme frequency, but it looks like you were using it for fatigue from your post. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone tries it for fatigue, and gets a herx instead.
Are you generally improving?
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Hi Dan,
In my PS I meant 432, not 612. It was through your post above that I found it was a Lyme frx, too. I believe it is why I herxed, because of the combo of the 2 it was 10 mins of Lyme rifing, not the usual 5 mins. I do.
My herx is gone and today I am going to rife, again.
Oh, and I am going to cross out the 432 on my list "for fatigue" that is. It was one of the frx given for XMRV (chronic fatigue). I will still use it for Lyme. (Sheesh, I have to keep editing. )
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Liz 432 is a freq for Babs according to my CAFL notes and babs causes fatigue. Also it is the frequency of light as was discussed long ago on this thread. So you might keep that in mind since babs is so common with lyme infections.
Dan thanks for the 2016 tip for cyst if I feel horrible from it I will know I hit something. You have been a wealth of information on this thread thank you and everyone else that has contributed.
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The light discussion was over my head. Care to simplify it for me? Babs, huh? Good to know, esp since it is fatigue that holds me back, at this point I would say it is my worse symptom.
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liz, the CAFL freq for babs are 76,570,1583,1584,432,753,5776 there may be more which are listed in this thread under a CAFL link. As far as 432 being the freq of light. You might want to google 432 freq of light and learn more then what I can explain here.
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PS all Do not forget to try to add Fungal and Mold Numbers.
Just maybe try it.
I am have ended up using that a lot here lately as other things fall the the way side.
I am noticing it helping me quite a bit....
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The herx from 2016 is different than a spirochete hitting frequency. It is slower, and not as intense, but lingers longer. It is the best long term Lyme treatment frequency I know of.
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Dan.. That is so interesting.? I remember it being when I stsrted this thread not that long ago that I posted info and other peoples experiences when you decided to Try 2016...
Is it really in this short period of time you have decided it is the best long term lyme frequency you know?
That is pretty amazing.
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With the possible exception of Char Boehm's DNA Lyme frequencies, it is the only cyst busting frequency I know of. I did not thoroughly test her frequencies, because 2016 seemed to work by itself.
It would be easier to treat with a single frequency than several, and with that in mind, I stuck with 2016 Hz. That way it could be more easily reproduced by others if it worked as I hoped it would.
The only reason I could determine that it worked for cyst form was because I knew that 612 Hz only worked for Spirochete form. I had used 612 Hz for over five years, and the bacteria was always able reproduce again over time.
I could use 612 Hz until no more effect was felt and no more Herx would occur. Symptoms would be gone for a while and then come back like clock work. I obviously was only killing an active form of Lyme.
When 612 produced no reaction, 2016 would produce a rather pronounced die off, particularly in the beginning. Not the same type of die off as 612 Hz, but a die off of a different sort.
It also produced it in places that 612 Hz had not affected for a very long time. Places like the face, other areas near the surface of the body. Surely if it was the same form of Lyme that 612 Hz had already eliminated, there would be no reaction.
I also know that surface areas are cleared first and pretty easily. It made no sense that this reaction to 2016 would occur near the surface of the body unless it was a previously untouched form of Lyme.
It is all based on deductive reasoning, and lots of experience in what these frequencies are affecting.
This thread gave me enough anecdotal evidence to try both the 2016 Hz frequency, and the Bart frequency of 832 Hz.
People often think of anecdotal evidence as practically useless. In my experience, it is far more reliable than I would have expected. The proof is in the progress we have made, and others on this thread.
Evidence is evidence, and somehow we have been conditioned not to trust our own evidence. Not only have we been conditioned to this way of thinking, but it has also been limited to medical issues.
We can trust our own good judgment with almost any other subject in life, but not medical treatments and results.
That just is foolishness on the face of it. What is the first thing the doctor finds out when you go in? How are you feeling? Better or worse. Are they not determining what is working largely based on your appraisal of the situation anyway?
We can do the same as long as we can be objective about it. I have an advantage in that I am not treating myself, so I can be objective more easily than if I was treating myself.
A doctor is an objective third party, and that can be useful, but someone else can just as easily tell when you are well, and when you are suffering. Particularly if they live with you.
2016 Hz worked quite fast, particularly when I got the MOPA. It was pretty obvious it was what was missing from prior treatments.
If I had been using multiple frequencies, I would not have been able to narrow it down to one frequency. By using a couple, I could make progress in finding the bare minimum number of frequencies, to do the job.
I had two goals. The first was to cure my wife, and the second was to make this a more reliable and easier treatment for the rest of the people that would be using it.
There is more to be done, particularly with other co-infections. I am hoping others here can drill down to find single effective frequencies for some of these.
Since the medical community has more or less abandoned us, we are going to have to do it ourselves. I see no reason we cannot do just that.
Dan
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I bought Bryan Rosners book for rife and really didn't feel I learned that much from it since I had already purchased a machine.
Are there some basic tips that you guys can give me from the Rife Handbook by N.S. that you have found useful? I noticed recently where some are saying run 10,000 for 10 min when you are through for inflamation? Is this from her book. I guess I need to shell out the 130.00 or whatever it is for her book.
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mojo
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I used 10K for 10 minutes once and I couldn't sleep for about 24 hours. It was like I was on speed!
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D Bergy
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We have also used 10,000 Hz to reduce swelling. it does work for that, but it is also a temporary effect. I am assuming it ramps up the lymphatic system temporarily, but that is just a guess.
She never experienced any negative effects from it.
Dan
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